It doesn't take away the fact that he's a national champion with a mid tier character. MDJ is still considered the best at T4 even though he lost EVO bad. SC2 isn't balanced all that well. Here's the tier list http://www.versuscity.net/reno/sciirankingv1_4.htm

I'm not going to argue about it. I just wanted to point out the national champion. Anything's possible.

Good interview too. Two things though.

1) You have to realize MK's scene is split up among fanboys of the three systems. It's going to be very hard to convince people to travel that don't even play on the same system and controller as you. A $400 plane ticket isn't as easy as finding a penny on the street for some.

2) Online WILL help and won't be as a bad as MAME. Currently DOA online is being tested and doing quite good. SvC2 is a good online experience. Same hardware, broadband only, MK6 might just work over an Xbox Live. Lag will still be a problem though.
It's kind of worthless complaining about people wanting to play for fun and not willing to travel a far distance. Nothing anyonecan do about it. Blame Midway for making it console only. Not the players.

MENTHOL Wrote: It doesn't take away the fact that he's a national champion with a mid tier character.

hes not the national champ anymore. as the game progressed he did worse. he's not even top 10 anymore. the top players r mick,fetz,RTD,floe,X_sc2. They r the best right now and most of them play X. and in SC2 there isnt really any mid tier, almost all the characters have a good chance of beating the other but as i said b4, Sc2 is 1 of the ONLY games like that cuz NO mk has ever been like that and MKDA is no exception and neither is T4.

Uhhh until the next Nationals he is. That's like winning an MK world tourney and people getting better than you and beating you until the next world tourney. You're still the world champ until the next one. Are you going to admit you're not an MK world champ anymore because other people are better? Probably not.

MENTHOL Wrote: Uhhh until the next Nationals he is. That's like winning an MK world tourney and people getting better than you and beating you until the next world tourney. You're still the world champ until the next one. Are you going to admit you're not an MK world champ anymore because other people are better? Probably not.

its not the same. see not only did i win the worlds but i won EVERY tourney afer so i retained my title. if someone beat me at MK4 after the worlds at a major and they ended up winning then they would be #1 in the world. after the next Mk comes out or the MK game has died the the title is no longer up for grabs so even if i lost it wouldnt mean anything. like now, there r people who r better then me at UMK, MK2,etc but it doesnt matter now cuz i am #1 at MKDA so the fact that they can beat me now doesnt mean anything. as for Kageh, he won 1 tourney and fell off never to even place top again and since there have been SEVERAL sc2 majors since nationals and the fact that SC2 is still alive and SC3 is not out yet means that he has lost his title to better players.

one thing that is great about both games , is that they are both different

imagine every fighting game was the same .....how fun would that be?

different graphics, different controls = different gaming experience

i agre with wreckless there. Though Soul calibur 2 is comming out. Dont know quite how things may go for it.

Both game sucks

Blah forget it. Nothing but respect for you Bill.

i mean SC2 is wierd. its funny cuz all the top players that i know say the game isnt even that good but yet they play it anyway. funny...........

That's what I've been hearing, too. Peeps tell me that spacing is hella whack, and the ss'ing is like WTF. Tracking sucks as well. Heh, maybe I shouldn't be such an SRK fan boy . I don't know, though. I played it while on vacation in Reno for like four or five days. I was just playing around, trying to figure stuff out. I did haya motions with Taki and some "ss power up cancel" was coming out. It evaded and spaced me for some side throw mix ups, launchers after whiffs and what not. It was weird.

I know nothing about GI cancels, but I hear that is broke as hell. Anywho, peace and love ya'll.

I like MK: DA better. It's way more fun then Tekken 4.

in the matter of MKDA VS Tekken 4 , as i said before they are both different gaming experiences although i must say the MKDA experience personallly is a lot better and more enjoyable then tekken , tekken held my interest for 10 hours at most, but MKDA is still played regularly at my house.

As for soul caliber 2 i got it yesterday and it is a great game, Spawn is a wicked character and fits into the game better than Link does for gamecube, havnt played teh ps2 version yet though, but i hear its the worst of the three.

No slowdown great moves, nice backgrounds go check it out, and as for the complaints peopel have had about it ......ummm are we playign the same game? if you swing to hjit someone and they move ...you miss thats just the way it is, and the cancells and all that are pretty cool and easy

Wreckless Wrote: ummm are we playign the same game?

Maybe not . BTW. All the console characters are broke as shit. Spawn can fly? Uh, yah, ok. WD's, electrics ans HS with Hei are like o_O. Even Link is whack, and I hear he's the worst console character.

ok ok we are going a litle off topic but bear with us


I agree that Link is crap and is such an odd ball in the game , but i have to say that spawn is awesome, he doestn fly but he can levitate for 2 seconds to prepare for a strike which is really cool , and all his moves are awesome

i dont know about the PS2 character becasue i havnt played it but i htink hes the only one in the game with no weapons

anyway i love spawn hes wicked, but he would have been more suited in a comic book fighting game noit this one .....even though all the console characters are oddballs he is the best one

fantastic game go rent it , its great

I would explain why MKDA is deeper than T4, but MKL did a much better job when he explained to me why its that way. I mean..T4 takes more skill, but i definately wouldn't say its deeper. Commands like EWGF and shit are good and dandy, but when simple shitl ike 2,1 and JFLS own it..noit to mention they are easy to do..what the hell is the point. Don't get me wrong, MKDA and T4 are both fairly shallow games, but in the loing run i consider MKDA to be deeper..as in it takes more time to become good in since its more mind games than skill.

"You're very ignorant if you think MKDA is deeper than T4."

Heh...do you now how shallow both games are? I can name atleast 10 games deeper than DA and T4. Im not backing up DA in anyway. In fact, I was dissapointed in the lack of skill that it takes,but in the long run I find it much deeper than T4. I love both games though.

"It's cute you keep talking about tier lists too. They're NOT the deciding factor of who wins. Period."

im gonna refrain from calling you a total idiot, but come on. When two players are near the same level of skill in a game like MKDA or T4, tiers matter a lot. Jin vs Kuma..both players are even...balanced match? If your answer is yes it really shows how much you know about Tekken 4. Scorp vs Kitana..both players are even..balanced match? Nope. Get your facts straight man.



"Or perhaps you didn't get the memo of when Kageh won the nationals of SC2 with IVY. Mid tier character. I guess Kageh is a scrub for thinking for himself."

Ivy mid tier...barely. Ivy is consider by most to be one of the best in the game ONCE MASTERED. Kageh is one of the only people who can play her right. And even if Ivy did suck..its soul calibur 2 you fool! One of the most balanced fighter ever made! It's an exception. And even with a game balanced as much as SC2, it still has some hella broke match ups. Yunsung gets raped by almost every character in the game. Maxi isnt that great either. Even characters who are good have some terrible matchups. Astaroth(a top 10 character) gets screwed by Mitsurugi(also top 10). SO not even SC2 is 100% balanced.

"All depends on the user playing the character. Nobody here disagrees about tier lists about which characters are more powerful than others. But they don't decide who wins."

Yes, it does depend on the user playing the charcter, but there are still disadvantages. An example. Suppose me and you were even in DA. I have a killer cyrax and you have a top notch quan chi. Now I wouldn't call cyrax vs quan chi an impossible match up, but cyrax has a slim chance of winning, and no matter how good my cyrax is you will win most of the time. Quan Chi;s move set is just a lot better than Cyrax's in every way.

"Just for the record, the community on the SC forums isn't much different than here. More people giving strategy but that's simply because SC is a deeper game."

No, that's simply because most of the user here dont have a clue about what they are talking about. You couldn't give good DA strat if your life depending on it. In fact, 85% of the players here can't. Im not trying to offend anyone because everyone has the potential to be good, but talking bull shit and limiting yourself by believing in complete nonsense makes you a shitty player in general. Most SC2 players understand tiers and shit like that, and even if they dont they keep their mouths shut and just post up strategies on what they know. If they are wrong they are corrected by better players and they shut up unlike the scrubs here who have to debate over stupid shit like kitana being bable to beat top tiers.

"But as far as character standings, everyone told Kageh he can't win with IVY. The same crap happens here where people take tier lists as some characters can't beat others. It's a load of crap. The problem here is the people that are saying so and so can't beat so and so try to type how the match will go. As if they get a memo of how exactly their opponent plays 2 weeks prior to the match and how exactly the match will happen. Now THAT's being ignorant. Do I disagree certain characters have problems against others? No. Can they still win depending on the skill level of the person using the character? Yup. Nationals prove it."

For the love of god..for the last time.........ITS SOUL CALIBUR 2!!!! ITS SOUL CALIBUR 2! ITS SOUL CALIBUR 2!!!!!

Look at T4 nationals..who did the winners use? That's right..Jin,Steve,Paul,etc. Why? Because T4 is hella broken, and lower tier characters like Lei and Kuma just cant win. I guarantee you if MKDA had a national 80% of the players would be Scorp,Bo and Reptile players. Not becauce they are the easiest or anything, but because the are the most rewarding..case closed.

"Heh...do you now how shallow both games are? I can name atleast 10 games deeper than DA and T4. Im not backing up DA in anyway. In fact, I was dissapointed in the lack of skill that it takes,but in the long run I find it much deeper than T4. I love both games though."
T4 is deeper. It has way more moves and a lot more custom combos. Bringing strategy into the discussion has nothing to do with how deep a game is. Every fighting game takes strategy.
"im gonna refrain from calling you a total idiot, but come on. When two players are near the same level of skill in a game like MKDA or T4, tiers matter a lot. Jin vs Kuma..both players are even...balanced match? If your answer is yes it really shows how much you know about Tekken 4. Scorp vs Kitana..both players are even..balanced match? Nope. Get your facts straight man."
I don't even know why I bother with you. Never once did I say every character is balanced. Learn to read please. I said any character can beat any character. Speaking of Kuma, I remember the vid of MDJ beating Hwoarang (forgot who was playing him) at last year's EVO. It was pre-tournament but he was playing someone who is also a ranked Tekken player. It's easy to type up on the internet every counter to every move. Actual play is a bit different unless you're Miss Cleo and know what you're opponent will do. None of us have that gift. Get your head out of your ass please.
"Ivy mid tier...barely. Ivy is consider by most to be one of the best in the game ONCE MASTERED. Kageh is one of the only people who can play her right. And even if Ivy did suck..its soul calibur 2 you fool! One of the most balanced fighter ever made! It's an exception. And even with a game balanced as much as SC2, it still has some hella broke match ups. Yunsung gets raped by almost every character in the game. Maxi isnt that great either. Even characters who are good have some terrible matchups. Astaroth(a top 10 character) gets screwed by Mitsurugi(also top 10). SO not even SC2 is 100% balanced."
"once mastered" lol oh ok. I hope you realize how lame that was and how many counters I can come up with. I won't bother though. Ivy is mid tier and won nationals. That's all that needs to be said.
"Yes, it does depend on the user playing the charcter, but there are still disadvantages. An example. Suppose me and you were even in DA. I have a killer cyrax and you have a top notch quan chi. Now I wouldn't call cyrax vs quan chi an impossible match up, but cyrax has a slim chance of winning, and no matter how good my cyrax is you will win most of the time. Quan Chi;s move set is just a lot better than Cyrax's in every way."
Yes I know characters are more powerful than other characters. Please get that through your head. You make it out though that there's a pattern when playing and you know what you're character will do next. That's just simply retarded.
"No, that's simply because most of the user here dont have a clue about what they are talking about. You couldn't give good DA strat if your life depending on it. In fact, 85% of the players here can't. Im not trying to offend anyone because everyone has the potential to be good, but talking bull shit and limiting yourself by believing in complete nonsense makes you a shitty player in general. Most SC2 players understand tiers and shit like that, and even if they dont they keep their mouths shut and just post up strategies on what they know. If they are wrong they are corrected by better players and they shut up unlike the scrubs here who have to debate over stupid shit like kitana being bable to beat top tiers."
I couldn't give a strat LOL. Wow I mean, you're absolutely right. Giving strats means you're such an awesome player. All alternate reality aside, I'm glad you brought up the SC community. The tier list post they made doesn't consist of "this is 100% fact no bs. if you think otherwise you're a scrub". No no. Infact, their tier list post consists of "if you don't believe your character is placed properly, give a good explanation why". They're understanding people over there. Not people with their head shoved up their ass.
How is a person limiting themselves if they play low tier characters? That is the most retarded thing you have ever said (and you've said some very retarded stuff). Playing every character and learning every character isn't limiting. It's very rewarding. You want everyone playing top tier characters? How rewarding. That's a very scrubby thing to do.
"For the love of god..for the last time.........ITS SOUL CALIBUR 2!!!! ITS SOUL CALIBUR 2! ITS SOUL CALIBUR 2!!!!!"
Wow in the matter of the same reply you made it seem as though we've argued about SC2 atleast a dozen times
"Look at T4 nationals..who did the winners use? That's right..Jin,Steve,Paul,etc. Why? Because T4 is hella broken, and lower tier characters like Lei and Kuma just cant win. I guarantee you if MKDA had a national 80% of the players would be Scorp,Bo and Reptile players. Not becauce they are the easiest or anything, but because the are the most rewarding..case closed."
Everyone uses Jin because he's considered the best. That has nothing to do with he can't be beat. Bill's friend, Jinmaster, also says Jin can be beat. I guess he's a scrub for thinking that. If MKDA had a tournament and only those three characters were used, it still wouldn't change my mind. It doesn't mean they can't be beat. It just means they're the most powerful and have a better chance of winning due to their power. Nothing more. Seriously if you want to argue with me, make better points I can't counter.

Damnit. The better the player is the less significant tiers become...for the most part. To many people give a shit about tiers. To manay Americans, actually. Just play who you like, who interests you, who you're more comfortable with. Don't become a mark of the fightig game forums. Peace and love ya'll.

Glad to see there's some intelligent people here that aren't so closed minded.
But versa "like MKL said" tile, you haven't proved a thing since you've been here. All you've done is say "like MKL said" and give a combo that I could of given with my eyes closed and typing with my toes. Who have you beat that's good here? What tournaments have you won? I've won a local MKDA tournament too. o0o0o0o0 jock me. Face it, you're just another scrub that goes to fighting game forums, picks up the fighting game talk, and convince yourself you're a better player because of it. You're typical. You want to get recognized as a great MK player here and you're upset nobody cares. So you call them scrubs like a true scrub. Once your balls drop you'll learn trying to get accepted isn't the key to life. So maybe you should try to be like the "scrubs" here. Just enjoy the game. Trying to prove something will only hurt your game. You'll get burned out with the game. Trust me it happened with me in the past. Don't fall into the fighting game forum cliche. There's many vets of MK here. You coming in here telling them how to play is laughable considering this is your first MK.
As for your "you couldn't givea strat if your life depended on it" comment, you really have no clue what you're talking about. I don't try to prove myself here. Everything seems to have been discussed and that isn't my fault. It happened in the period of me being away at college. Not that it's any of your business, but me and white pointer always discuss MK games when we talk. Giving strats, laughing about the run jab, play some games, and get along. I also get along with the players here who you worship. They don't say anything about my line of thinking. MKL and konqrr are two of the coolest peeps I've met here. They don't say anything about my line of thinking and I don't say anything about their's. If you matured, you'd do the same and we could get along. Quit being so hard headed man. It doesn't take that much energy to over come.
I'm so done with you. Everything you say I counter. It's getting old. Very old. So if you want to get along, just give the word. But nobody here wants your mister know-it-all shitty attitude. If you want the MK community to improve, don't be such a cock.

I like Tekken more, I have been playing it since the original Tekken 1 in the arcades and it will always be an arcade competition game for me.

I can't really say which game is deeper, and I will never know just for that fact that MKDA is just not an arcade level competition game to me, so I will never take the time to learn it as well as a normal arcade game.

I have always been a die-hard arcade player, so games like Tekken 4 will appeal to me more just for the simple fact that:

- I can find some good competition away from home

- I like the challenge of figuring out real arcade player strats and trying to beat them

- I enjoy checking up on the latest combo and strat guides to find new tactics.

Now I love MK to death and I am hoping when MKDA goes online with version 6 that it will change my perception of the game and its actual competitive replay value.

But for me Tekken 4 wins this around!

-DN

"T4 is deeper. It has way more moves and a lot more custom combos. Bringing strategy into the discussion has nothing to do with how deep a game is. Every fighting game takes strategy."

More moves does not mean a better game or character. Look at Lei in T4. Lei has like what? over a 100 moves? Look at Lee. He has about half the amount and is superior to lei in every way.

If strategy has nothing to do with how deep a game is, what does? How good the graphics are and how sparkly a move is perhaps?



"Speaking of Kuma, I remember the vid of MDJ beating Hwoarang (forgot who was playing him) at last year's EVO."

Heh..he's MDJ. MDJ is better than a lot of tekken players, and beat some of the great american players using low tiers like Kuma. Besides, Kuma is decent. He's just very bad vs Jin. Take away Kuma vs Jin and Kuma is solid bottom mid tier.

"lol oh ok. I hope you realize how lame that was and how many counters I can come up with. I won't bother though. Ivy is mid tier and won nationals. That's all that needs to be said."

Ivy is friggen top 10 dude. No one considers her to be mid tier anymore, and if they do it's really high mid tier. She just takes lots of skill, but unlike characters like Yunsung who take hella skill with her its actually worth it. callamity symphony and summon suffering are the keys to winning along with spacing and all sorts of other stuff. No one gave her a chance because she takes so much work to win, but she can be used properly she is good. Kitana is difficult to play. The difference is the fact that Kitana is a worthless piece of crap no matter how good you are with her. Do you understand now?

"Yes I know characters are more powerful than other characters. Please get that through your head. You make it out though that there's a pattern when playing and you know what you're character will do next. That's just simply retarded."

Man, you are hard headed. Oh well, last time you tried explaining how Kitana can beat Bo you made a complete idiot of yourself, so I guess I can't blame you for not backing up your arguments with some actually strategy.



"I couldn't give a strat LOL. Wow I mean, you're absolutely right. Giving strats means you're such an awesome player."

Actually, giving strats means you know what the hell you are talking about. We would of never argued about tiers and stuff like that if you could back up your arguements with strats like I can, but the fact of the matter is that you can't. And when you tried you looked like a numbskull. Case closed.

"Infact, their tier list post consists of "if you don't believe your character is placed properly, give a good explanation why. They're understanding people over there. Not people with their head shoved up their ass."

Oh then please forgive me. If you don't belive characters like Kitana,Cyrax and Li Mei are placed properly, give a good explanation why. No seriously..please do.

"How is a person limiting themselves if they play low tier characters? That is the most retarded thing you have ever said (and you've said some very retarded stuff)"

They are limiting theirselves because the character they are playing sucks. Meaning that character(unless its an incredibly balanaced game like virtual fighter) has some seriously near impossible match ups. Kitana vs Bo Rai Cho, Kuma vs Jin, Yunsung vs Yoshimitsu,etc. See, top tier characters don't have bad match ups, and if they do it's a very minor one. So by playing low tier characters in tournaments and stuff like that limits your chance of winning.

"Playing every character and learning every character isn't limiting. It's very rewarding. You want everyone playing top tier characters? How rewarding. That's a very scrubby thing to do."

I play every character in MKDA, and besides maybe Kitana im pretty sure i'd annihilate you with all 23 them. I for one do not want people playing all top tier characters. I play Hwoarang in T4 and Sub-Zero in MKDA, both mid tier characters. Shows how much you know.

Oh, and a very scrubby thing to do is talk about games you don't have a clue about like MKDA.



"Wow in the matter of the same reply you made it seem as though we've argued about SC2 atleast a dozen times"

Nah, you just kept bringing up the fact that Ivy was considered to be a mid tier character, and Im just trying to tell you that Ivy has no bad match ups because of the game she is in. SC2 is just so friggen balanced with the exception oh Hong Yunsung.



"Everyone uses Jin because he's considered the best. That has nothing to do with he can't be beat. Bill's friend, Jinmaster, also says Jin can be beat. I guess he's a scrub for thinking that."

I never ever said Jin can't be beaten. It's just that in tournament play its a lot harder, and only characters like Paul,Lee,Ling and Steve really have a good chance of doing it. He's simply overpowering and there is no way around it. You'r being a hypocrite by saying I listen to MKL, but yet you're saying that because Jinmaster says Jin can be beaten you gobble it up. Anyways, he is correct. Jin can be beaten, but it's always a disadvantage.


"If MKDA had a tournament and only those three characters were used, it still wouldn't change my mind. It doesn't mean they can't be beat. It just means they're the most powerful and have a better chance of winning due to their power. Nothing more."

Ignorance is bliss aint it?

"But versa "like MKL said" tile, you haven't proved a thing since you've been here. All you've done is say "like MKL said" and give a combo that I could of given with my eyes closed and typing with my toes."

hahahahhaa! looks like someone needs to see my Sub-Zero FAQ coming out soon. After you read it I hope you don't need assistance digesting all the shit you just said, for 80% of the guide is all my stuff..you know nothing scrub.













"Who have you beat that's good here? What tournaments have you won? I've won a local MKDA tournament too. o0o0o0o0 jock me. Face it, you're just another scrub that goes to fighting game forums, picks up the fighting game talk, and convince yourself you're a better player because of it. You're typical. You want to get recognized as a great MK player here and you're upset nobody cares. So you call them scrubs like a true scrub."

Hmmm..if that were the case, wouldn't I be calling people who were actually good scrubs? I don't care about recognition..never did and I'll never will. I just want a community where most of the board isnt complete insane when it comes to common sense things. I call you a scrub because you are one..plain and simple. I used to call white pointer a scrub, but then he got the point and now we're cool. The thing with you is that you can't get the point..which is why i keep calling you a scrub.

"Just enjoy the game. Trying to prove something will only hurt your game. You'll get burned out with the game. Trust me it happened with me in the past. Don't fall into the fighting game forum cliche."

You are right, its just annoying reading your post and knowing im the right one in the debate and you not seeing it..ya know? I dont have anything against..you just aggrivate me with your limited knowledge of the game. Don't take that offensively by the way.

"There's many vets of MK here. You coming in here telling them how to play is laughable considering this is your first MK."

Now come on..that just plain dumb saying that. You and almost everyone else here would own me in the past MKs, but there are nothing like DA. The only thing in common are a few specials, the fatalities and the characters. I'm better than you in MKDA. It's just how it is. Im not trying to be superior by saying this, its just your way of thinking that screws you over man. Im not that great, but I know how to play and can conversate with others.

"As for your "you couldn't givea strat if your life depended on it" comment, you really have no clue what you're talking about. I don't try to prove myself here."

Not asking you to prove yourself. its just that if you're gonna talk tiers and say how the game is balanced be able to back it up. I can say Sub-Zero is the best in the game and that he owns Scorpion, but what would be the point if I can't back that up with some in game knowledge?

"Giving strats, laughing about the run jab, play some games, and get along. I also get along with the players here who you worship. They don't say anything about my line of thinking. MKL and konqrr are two of the coolest peeps I've met here. They don't say anything about my line of thinking and I don't say anything about their's. If you matured, you'd do the same and we could get along. Quit being so hard headed man. It doesn't take that much energy to over come."

Ok whatever..i won't make fun of the way you see this game and other fighters anymore.


Oh to and to Saty, my computer busted so I cant be on as much as usual..im at the library right now and should be back up online soon enough. I'll catch up with yall later.

"More moves does not mean a better game or character. Look at Lei in T4. Lei has like what? over a 100 moves? Look at Lee. He has about half the amount and is superior to lei in every way.

If strategy has nothing to do with how deep a game is, what does? How good the graphics are and how sparkly a move is perhaps?"

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL please tell me you're NOT this retarded. We're talking DEPTH here. How deep the games are. Tekken 4 has WAY more moves. Hence it being a deeper game. Stategy is involved in any fighting game. Why is Virtua Fighter considered the deepest fighting game? It has more moves.


"Heh..he's MDJ. MDJ is better than a lot of tekken players, and beat some of the great american players using low tiers like Kuma. Besides, Kuma is decent. He's just very bad vs Jin. Take away Kuma vs Jin and Kuma is solid bottom mid tier."

So who's to say someone great at MKDA couldn't use a bottom tier to beat good people with top tiers? Please think before you speak.

Jin isn't even considered the best anymore in Korea. Why? They actually aren't closed minded and found ways to beat him. Get your facts straight.

"Ivy is friggen top 10 dude. No one considers her to be mid tier anymore, and if they do it's really high mid tier. She just takes lots of skill, but unlike characters like Yunsung who take hella skill with her its actually worth it. callamity symphony and summon suffering are the keys to winning along with spacing and all sorts of other stuff. No one gave her a chance because she takes so much work to win, but she can be used properly she is good. Kitana is difficult to play. The difference is the fact that Kitana is a worthless piece of crap no matter how good you are with her. Do you understand now?"


Top 10 in a 14 character game. LOL my god you are horrible at this. No Kitana is really good. She's not crappy. You are with her. I hope you realize this soon.

Yunsung can be played at a competitive level. He's not worthless at all. Please get your facts straight instead of speaking like a true scrub.

"Man, you are hard headed. Oh well, last time you tried explaining how Kitana can beat Bo you made a complete idiot of yourself, so I guess I can't blame you for not backing up your arguments with some actually strategy."

Dude it's typing what might happen during a match. I gave it a try because that's all I could do. There is no pattern when you play the game. For you to debunk every move I type is very idiotic and shows you really have no clue what you're talking about.

"Actually, giving strats means you know what the hell you are talking about. We would of never argued about tiers and stuff like that if you could back up your arguements with strats like I can, but the fact of the matter is that you can't. And when you tried you looked like a numbskull. Case closed."

Oh my god you seriously believe the more you type the better you are. This is fucking sad even for you. Talking strats just means you know how to play the game. Every scenerio for every strat is not going to happen. "yeah well i can counter that move" no. Please shut it. If you think I'm an idiot. Ah man just wait until I reply later. You're gonna love it.

"Oh then please forgive me. If you don't belive characters like Kitana,Cyrax and Li Mei are placed properly, give a good explanation why. No seriously..please do."

I have. But since you want to believe there's a set pattern to the game where you know exactly how a pro Kitana player will play, it's useless to bother.

"They are limiting theirselves because the character they are playing sucks. Meaning that character(unless its an incredibly balanaced game like virtual fighter) has some seriously near impossible match ups. Kitana vs Bo Rai Cho, Kuma vs Jin, Yunsung vs Yoshimitsu,etc. See, top tier characters don't have bad match ups, and if they do it's a very minor one. So by playing low tier characters in tournaments and stuff like that limits your chance of winning."

Chances of winning? What an MK tournament? I guess I forgot about the tourney set up forum and aftermath forum because to my knowledge, THERE IS NO FRICKIN' TOURNAMENTS! They're not limiting themselves by playing low tier. They're helping themselves. They'll see why characters like Scorp and Reptile are more powerful. They'll get skills using low tier characters. How that isn't helping their game is beyond me. Retarded quote of the year. Seriously.

"I play every character in MKDA, and besides maybe Kitana im pretty sure i'd annihilate you with all 23 them. I for one do not want people playing all top tier characters. I play Hwoarang in T4 and Sub-Zero in MKDA, both mid tier characters. Shows how much you know.

Oh, and a very scrubby thing to do is talk about games you don't have a clue about like MKDA."

Dude you lost to some scrub that doesn't even like MK. He was on gamefaqs and said and I quote "I can beat the best east coast player versatile. You can ask him". Now he could of made that up but how would he know who you are and how did he get the idea you're the best east coast player? LOL someone is spreading lies and I hope for your sake he is. LOL best east coast player. I showed MKL and the likes and we all laughed. Good times good times.

No I'm not a scrub. Never have been.

"Nah, you just kept bringing up the fact that Ivy was considered to be a mid tier character, and Im just trying to tell you that Ivy has no bad match ups because of the game she is in. SC2 is just so friggen balanced with the exception oh Hong Yunsung."

Then why did the SC community make a big deal out of her not being able to win? If it was so balanced, I don't think there would of been any shock when she did.

"I never ever said Jin can't be beaten. It's just that in tournament play its a lot harder, and only characters like Paul,Lee,Ling and Steve really have a good chance of doing it. He's simply overpowering and there is no way around it. You'r being a hypocrite by saying I listen to MKL, but yet you're saying that because Jinmaster says Jin can be beaten you gobble it up. Anyways, he is correct. Jin can be beaten, but it's always a disadvantage."

No I know you worship him so maybe one of his best friends who gave an example of a top tier character being beaten would help your poor feeble mind comprehend what I'm saying. You get what I'm saying. It's slowly sinking in.

"Ignorance is bliss aint it?"

If I can be this ignorant for the rest of my life and keep schooling facts like I can, I say bring it on. Numba one mista ignorant comin' through yo.

"hahahahhaa! looks like someone needs to see my Sub-Zero FAQ coming out soon. After you read it I hope you don't need assistance digesting all the shit you just said, for 80% of the guide is all my stuff..you know nothing scrub."

I don't give a god damn if you invented the name Sub-Zero. You're still an MKL wanna be and always will be. Giving a faq for a character. Excuse me while I go get autographs from all the other fighting game players who make faqs for characters. After all they are the best.

"Hmmm..if that were the case, wouldn't I be calling people who were actually good scrubs? I don't care about recognition..never did and I'll never will. I just want a community where most of the board isnt complete insane when it comes to common sense things. I call you a scrub because you are one..plain and simple. I used to call white pointer a scrub, but then he got the point and now we're cool. The thing with you is that you can't get the point..which is why i keep calling you a scrub."
Yes you are looking to prove yourself like any newb to the fighting game genre. See, newbies of the fighting game genre love to enforce their feeble little thoughts to other people. That's why you're the only one making a big deal out of what I said while the "good" people just don't care either way. Don't worry though, there's many of you out there that do the same. Give it a few years and you won't be so struck on proving yourself. It's really not a good thing.When I was 9 and MK first came out and SF2, I used to act the same as you. You'll grow up.

White Pointer hasn't changed a bit. Nice try though. The fact that you are basing who is and who isn't good online with only one person having a track record of winning (MKL) is pretty damn sad.

"You are right, its just annoying reading your post and knowing im the right one in the debate and you not seeing it..ya know? I dont have anything against..you just aggrivate me with your limited knowledge of the game. Don't take that offensively by the way."

The sad fact is is you're not right and never have been. The only thing were arguing here is which characters can beat which characters. There's absolutely no proof or no typed
out match you can possibly type out to prove your point. And with the attitude of not wanting people to play low tier characters, you'll never get your head out of your ass.

"Now come on..that just plain dumb saying that. You and almost everyone else here would own me in the past MKs, but there are nothing like DA. The only thing in common are a few specials, the fatalities and the characters. I'm better than you in MKDA. It's just how it is. Im not trying to be superior by saying this, its just your way of thinking that screws you over man. Im not that great, but I know how to play and can conversate with others."

The same mentality you so hate about me has brought nothing but success in all MK games. You're not better than me. I play the game probably 10x more than you and I know exactly how to play. I know how to conversate with others because I've been in the scene for a long long time. It's cool people don't agree with me. I've never had a problem with that. But for a newbie to come at me like you is laughable. Plain and simple.
Oh and you're wrong about only special moves and fatalities seperating characters in past MK games. Nothing but scrub nonsense. You know nothing about the collision detection, length of characters, and the hit zones that seperate the men from the boys. But I expect no less from you. You're a complete joke in the MK community. Now be a good boy and go ask MKL about them, pretend you know what you're talking about, and echo everything he said to you back to me. Because I'll put every cent I own that he'll agree with me. MKDA was a VERY smooth transition for MK to be brought to 3d. Everything I just mentioned has been carried over without a hitch. They're more in common than you think.

"Not asking you to prove yourself. its just that if you're gonna talk tiers and say how the game is balanced be able to back it up. I can say Sub-Zero is the best in the game and that he owns Scorpion, but what would be the point if I can't back that up with some in game knowledge?"

Quote me where I said the game is balanced. Now you're just making things up. I agree with MKL's tier list. Always have. How do you not understand this? You're blind that's why.

Everything has been discussed. Like I said, that's not my fault. You want knowledge in how a match will go? Sure I can type out 500 matches and how they'll go. Doesn't mean 1 of them is going to happen if we ever played.


"Ok whatever..i won't make fun of the way you see this game and other fighters anymore."

Your definition of making fun of someone is calling them a scrub? What are you 14? Oh yeah. No no please continue. Everytime I argue with you I always get the sweet sweet sensation of victory. If you stopped now, I'd have to go get my confidence for the day by banging my girlfriend or something. I need people like you to help me realize how right I am. The lower people help the higher people. Forrreeeaaal.

"Oh to and to Saty, my computer busted so I cant be on as much as usual..im at the library right now and should be back up online soon enough. I'll catch up with yall later."

Way to ignore his point considering it's the same thing I'm saying. Ah well chalk up yet another victory for me. It's getting old though yo. I got too many trophies already just from playing MK games. Anymore concerning owning net nerds will cram the shelf and it won't have the same type of bling when the light shines through the window on them. Kid you want some MK trophies? The closest you'll ever have to owning one. You can tell people you won it the same way you tell people you're the best player on the east coast.
pump it,

I'm not going to debate with you anymore. believe you want, but for the record I never said I was the best on the east coast. I am the best in the new jersey, and probably the best in the north east, but not the best on the east coast in general. MKL is better than me, and JOP probably still is,too. The person who posted they beat me is probably insertnamehere, the guy who talks BS and never actually discusses MK.