Thats kinda wierd that you would say something like that considering i can never go into godweapon cause of all the users (if it gets past 40, theres no chance in hell of me playing there). If you did happen to see me, i was playing mvc or i would of played you. I didnt even see you ask me and im not afraid to play you. Like i said, ill probably see you sometime over the summer online. And no, youve never really scared anyone. If i can play with sinala, moe, or thrower, theres no chance in hell im afraid of you lol.

Mk2kung, all I'm saying is that you have missed at two times one easy to perform 35% combo during that match, because of a bad strategical choice of yours...indeed it wasn't a good idea to try that glitch stuff ... and if even like that you have managed to win, it's thanx to the obvious flaws of your opponent. that guy is not better than me, and you're not better than me neither. certainly not.

Mike, I can't believe you haven't seen me at DA server, because when I'm writing something on kaillera, my nick even appears in blue (cause of the "\\") but maybe you didn't pay attention...who knows...

pierre

You can believe whatever you like, but in the end you're only lying to yourself. It's funny how everyone who has seen you play, or played against you, whole heartedly agrees you have a lot to learn and that your netplay tactics would get you owned offline, because it is still highly unlikely that you play any differently offline. I am waiting patiently for you to post some realtime play of yourself against anyone, anyone at all, but you won't do it for some reason.

everyone who has seen my matches say heartedly that I have a lot to learn?
well this "piece of information" comes from nowhere, and even not justified ... you mean you and some of your friends think so? anyway the problem I have with you is that no matter what I can do at that game, you will never admit I'm very good, probably because of our bad first contact. you even are obliged to say gibberish like "you don't play better when you don't have delay " to keep thinking I'm not very good. and you do it ! great job man... I know you will never change your mind, simply because you don't want to. I can't play offline with other players for now, but as soon as I have the opportunity to, I will record something ...maybe...

pierre

When I play, I fully max out my screen so i dont have a chance to see whos coming and whos going. So even if your sn is flashing rainbow colors, i wouldnt know you were there.

I'm not saying you don't play better, I'm saying you probably don't play differently. Your attacks will come out on time, but you'll still be countered just the same.

your status was on "idle" when I had entered the room during that night ... so unless you have launched a game immediatly after my arrival it's a bit strange to me that you haven't answered ...

" you will be countered just the same " how can you be sure about that? it's weird to think that way since even with delay as hell, many of my attacks reach their goal ... so it's quite logical to say that in normal circumstances your guys would have a still harder time with me. I would probably win the big majority of the matches then, since I already win the half of them with my handicap ... I'm just consistent about it, don't take it bad like that.

pierre

I will take it any way I so desire, and you will lose, you don't have even a fraction of the understand of the game as most of the people I play do.

MK2kung, you're talking very much but you're not that great when you're playing. I have suffered in the lag of american servers to play your guys, and I have either beaten you, either matched you...now it's your turn to show us what you can do when you have much delay, play with Ded at his own headoff server and let me know about the results...or play with me again but at boegspriet then, because it's pretty unfair that it's me who always has the handicap...
no matter if you refuse, but the point is you try to convince yourself when you claim "European players are not that good" or when you say "you're an average player"

pierre

Weren't the results when I played you on a European server 8-12? Like they were 12-8 on US servers in that short time frame? Don't forget, when Moe or I play you even on US servers we have a significant amount of lag, it's not all that different from playing on the Euro servers. You treat this as if there's no lag for us, an absolutely perfect game, vs your ruination of MK, just because our pings to the *server* are low. Anyone who knows anything about netplay understands that when you play someone who is thousands of miles away, both people will always have some kind of lag. Our pings when playing, are not low. If I had normal netplay quality, as in, how it is against someone who lives in the US, I would be able to capitalize on every stupid mistake you make.

But, if I don't have lag when I play you on a US server, that means you don't have lag when you're played on a European server. If I remember correctly, you played exactly the same on the Euro server as you did on the US server...I don't think that's a coincidence. In any event, you will not be respected as a player until you are in a situation where you can prove it, and that isn't going to happen, so my suggestion would be to stop, because it's obvious you are weak, and netplay dependent. You would have to be 100 times better offline than you are online in order to even have a remote chance against any of the serious players in the US. Since we almost won the same amount of matches on a Euro server, technically, wouldn't you be a total pushover on a US server?

I'm going to be brutally honest, in that first set of matches, I lost I think 3 Nightwolf vs Nightwolf matches exploring the lag trying to figure out how to work around it, so you can forget about two of those wins since the second two were lag practice for me, and also a couple matches as Kung Lao doing the same thing, that's two more you can throw away so now you're down to 8 - 8. The answer should be yes, but it's not, because significant, unusual lag exists for me in both situations. I never have an unfair advantage against you, because I can tap left right up or down 3 times before the character moves, or even the highlighter on the selection screen.

You are use to serious lag, we are not. Our handicap is pound for pound worse than yours. I'm telling you this because you have a false sense of security. You would come to the states and be humiliated. I would even play you on Mame and Hook up a PSX pad to it for you so you can play how you want, and still exploit your weaknesses because with normal reaction time, you can't get away with the things you do constantly. I have never played you at higher than 25% ability, and that is a conservative estimate, it's probably closer to 10%.

There isn't a single person on this site, or in the MK world who respects you as a player. So once again, post some matches of you playing realtime, against someone who has the ability to beat you.

WOW someone actually bragging about MAME wins and thinking he's better.

Story time.

America owns the world in MK.

The end.

MK2kung, you always miss the point that I'm talking about delay too.
even if I'm ready to believe you when you tell me that both of us suffer from the lag in your American servers, you have NONE handicap about the delay....or should I say I have a huge handicap about delay compared to you, do you realize that delay and lag are two very different problems?
do you realize that on dark addictz, you can pull off all your moves with the right timing? can we say the same for me? definitely not. I have more than 100 ms than, and you can be sure when you see on your little kaillera screen my character who does a move that in fact it should start around one sec earlier ...but you don't know that, you don't have any idea...I'm talking about D E L A Y, and you have none....you will be ridiculous until the end. I wish you just could be my nextdoor neightboor so you finally just stop talking...if you ever played me offline, on psx pads like you seem to agree, you wouldn't have a single chance, and it's not stupidly vain to say that, because I know what you worth and I already can beat you on your own servers, even with a cheap playing, and even with a handicap, which does not represent 1% of my true abilities. how people can be blind like that? open your eyes man...
moreover you try to be elusive about the main point of my previous post, which is playing european players on european servers..but I think I know why you act like that; indeed no matter if you play me at boegspriet or ded at headoff, you will lose in the two cases. European players know what I worth, like all the other players I already have played with, including some American players who are much more fairplay than you are, and you're much more isolated about your opinion than what you can think when you say to me "you're an average player"or "you would be humiliated"...
ignoring the truth makes you be unpleasant and ridiculous, you're just wrong about this.


pierre

I been reading this thread since it started and havent posted anything.This is very entertaining but seriously netplay issues and lag suck ass i had to reload my windows because it got worst.I think i have to much cookies or something got damaged.But anyways its unfortunate thats its pretty much impossible to avoid lag.From the matches i see from both mafa and matt your both good but i think matt knows what hes talking about im not trying to pick sides.When i first came to mko i knew nothing about umk3 gameplay i havent even played the game until last year. The combo videos shock and his friends made got me into the game.I started learning more and more im actually pretty good now more advanced then a average player but im sure as hell not the best.I would of never known the tricks and combos if they didnt make any vids.So thats why i think shock is better he has more experience and knows how the engine works.

I haven't said much if anything in this thread but it seems that its been four pages of the same thing. I don't mean to pick sides either but I have to agree with Matt on this as well.

Ditch netplay, go to or buy an arcade and record some matches and see how you do then show them to us. :)

Matt can take advantage of his "authority" on mk online, since he is doing videocombos and since he is well known here, but that's a pity at the end ... your guys are just fooled in some way...
when I say I'm really good, I'm not talking about the arcade machines of course, since I can't deal with the arcade sticks that are put too high on the panel control, but I know how and why I win when I have the choice of the controller. Moreover unlike Matt can think, he has never played me on a good european server for me, indeed don't forget sin that we had played on "electronic dojo" which gives me a 45/50 ping there, while you had 24 ms at DA, so it's not really the same game we're playing...and you badly forget it. I know what you worth with good ping, but the best of me you have seen so far is at ED, so you don't know that much about me.

this "recorded mk matches" thread wasn't about you besides, I just had the plan to show my matches to your people and wait for their comments , but I'm just badly bored when you rush into my thread only to say "you got lucky wins against tatata" you only seem to be able to say that, and nothing else.
anyway I keep posting some matches I judge interesting, I guess there is no much else I can do for now, to convince your people that I'm a high level player.

pierre

Sure you are good Nafa, but not nearly as good as Matt or alot of players I know and play online.

You still stick to saying that "if the server says you have 25ms ping that that speed will never fluctuate." Which is entirely untrue. That is the speed that the server detected you to have upon entering the server and has no bearing on actual gameplay as there are many factors that change that.

One being the number of players in the server, another being the number of games being played. And ALL of them have one base, the ping of other players in the server, essentially the ones playing the game with YOU.

If you have 25ms ping (I envy you ) and are playing someone with 100ms ping, both players will suffer. The 25ms ping player will still have a slight latency advantage, but will have more delay than usual and will fluctuate constantly due to the 100ms players connection. This makes it extremely hard to get used to the delay as it is ever changing. At one point in the game moves could be coming out almost instantly then at a critical moment the delay could be 1/2 - 1 second. This is why it's always a good idea for both players to be on as close to equal ground as possible, preferrably in the same country as netplay gets to be as fun as catching flies with chopsticks. .

All of that being said, there are way too many factors that determine good/bad netplay and sadly most of them are bad

Nafa, did you miss the comment I made about "tapping up, down, left or right three times before the character moves once" when playing you? That's delay. That's what I experience everytime we play, sometimes more, sometimes less, but it's random. The advantage I have over you at any one time is probably 1/8 a second, but the specifications are never the same from one moment to the next. The lag I had against bwwd in a server in England was a solid 1/4 second, and it NEVER changed, I had zero button loss, and I would say it was better quality than most US servers. This is because I had 95 ms and he had about 100. If your delay stays the same the whole time, you have a constant unchanging variable which works to your advantage believe it or not. I don't know how to explain it to you, maybe they teach you a different kind of math in Belgium, but that's how it works, I've been playing on Kaillera for 5 years now, I've also played about 100 times as many UMK3 players as you have.

konqrr, until now we haven't met each other online yet, and I'm just curious to play with you. I hope after that, your opinion will be closer to the truth.
I think you have misunderstood me when you say that I think the speed never fluctuates, I know it does, but I also know that a big ping is in all cases a disadvantage...if you disagree about that, I don't know what I can do, it's just so obvious...and easy to feel when playing besides...

Matt, you can't seriously say that you have had as much delay as myself, if you keep saying that, then you're lying and i really don't like that. I don't tell you that you hadn't lag or delay, I just tell you it's worse by here when we're playing on your american servers. Get over it please, otherwise you will lock yourself in contradictionaries. Each time I read your posts, I'm telling myself you're not consistent, indeed : 1) you tell me that you have been playing on kaillera for 5 years now, that you have more experience than me, but on the other side you tell me that I'm use to play with lag, and not you ! 2) you still pretend I play the same when I have a good ping, even if you never have played me on a good server for me
3) I love that one: " I don't know how to explain it to you, maybe they teach you a different kind of math in Belgium, but that's how it works "
you know, I know sufficiently well and probably much better Math than you to tell you there are no connexions between playing umk3 and mathematics. you're a bit arrogant, and you begin to get on my nerves. Listen, I own ALL the players I have met on kaillera even with a handicap, on european servers or on american servers....there are only a handful of players who can beat me when I have a handicap (including ded, moe and you). until now, no one can beat me at my own server, this is reality and I experience it each day. I also beat ALL the guys from the site "MK temple", and I'm known there to be an outstanding player. it's definitely enough to allow me to say I'm among the best players. ( I had put online my matches against two guys from that site besides, "chain" and "correzzio")

when we were playing together, I even can't remember how many times I was telling to myself "damn, what an opening ! " and messed up with it however, cause of my handicap...offline I definitely would be able to correct your gameplay by punishing each of your faults with standard combos.

one last point : you are not looking objectively at my way of playing because you have something to prove, that you can't go wrong about something related to mk...but get over it please! you can be a very good player and have badly judged an another player...in front of the evidence of my results, to recognize my abilities is your only exit door...and if you don't take it, you're unfortunately not going to leave my thread in a near future.


pierre

Ah, ok then...no harm done. I thought all this time you were arguing the opposite, sorry about that. I'd love to play you sometime. I'm sure you are a great player.

What I was saying about how I think Matt and others are much better than you is based on what I know about the game and having played Matt and others a million times...but I've only seen you play and not played against you. I hope I didn't offend you as it wasn't intended.

ok dont believe me then. Its seriously humorous to me that you think im that much afraid of you.

Who is this ded character you guys speak of?

I don't care what you like and don't like.

I get more lag against you than any person I have ever played.

It is because we are thousands of miles away.

" I don't tell you that you hadn't lag or delay, I just tell you it's worse by here when we're playing on your american servers. "

pierre

Ded, im me at mikej119 on aim if you wanna go at it in some matches.

i dont have aim, i tryied it and it just didnt work and uninstall it. also i play now only at headoff and ma3x servers because in other i get to lag and delay