We ran out of bananas. Our monkey programers refused to fix the problems.

Well, it is really sad that midway dont give the importance that the titles deserves

But, talk about Cyrax, Sheeva red blood, i ressurected my Mame and this in fact happens in arcade.

This was only fixed in domestic releases.

Ok first off,some of you should just be happy that mk2 and 3 are out for xbox,ps2.gc.But for those who pay way to much attendtion to little detail and not the entire game,think of this.Its just a game ok damn,I am a big fan as the next guy but good lord stop whining over it and go read a book or something.But I will say something else,for me I only had a few nonarcade issues if you will.Like the music but its no big deal to me since i couldnt hear it that much it the arcade with all the other arcade machines on and no many ppl in there.Next thing is Sheevas blood and cyraxs and so on were green and black for me and I played it on the xbox verison.Also when I unlocked smoke,it automaticly saved it for me so i didnt have to unlock him again.Also it does say kabals name for me when i select him.Alot of the issues I hear you guys talking about arent happening for me and after i read them i was looking to see if it happen but didnt.Also the other thing was the shadows but whatever it never got in the way of enjoying the game for a game that is over 10 years old.Maybe next time read the reviews of the game before you buy.Not tring to make anyone mad but it really is pointless to yell and argue about.One thing I did wish they did was that they didnt put free play in there and should of left insert coin in there.Also random select works for me in mk2 and 3 but ihavent tried to fight smoke yet in mk2 but if it works I will let you know.

well we can play MK1,2,3, UMK3, MK4 (PSX/N64), MKGold via emulators, so i don't think i'm too upset about them screwing up MAT2, although it kinda makes them not worth buying.. you could take an old pc and easily set it up as an arcade machine running MK1-MK4

Well I can't speak for all of us, but I think that a very good majority of us are just angry about being lied to by Midway, in saying that MK1 on the MK:D Special Edition was ''Arcade Perfect'' when it clearly wasn't.

Myself, I never would have bought the Premium Pack for the PS2 if I would have know beforehand that the sound was faulty. I have MAME, so I didn't need to buy it. But I did, simply because it was only ten dollars more than the regular game, and the thought of enjoying the game in widescreen and on my big stereo sounded amazing.

But no, they lied to us all and didn't deliver what they promised. And for that, a lot of people are pissed, and rightfully so. Most consumers don't appreciate being lied to, especially those who really can't afford to be dishing out the extra ten dollars but did so because they love the MK series.

The worst part of all this though, is that of the 3 MK games that Digital Eclipse worked on, none of them came away with problems that could be easily lived with. Muffled sound, glitchy sound, no sound, missing sound effects, constant flickering shadows, slowdown, control layout issues.. need a person really say more?

Bottomline is both Midway and Digital Eciplse did a terrible job. And in my honest opinion, they never should have released these and called them done, because all it does is make the MK series look worse upon industry professionals and casual gamers, as well as piss all us hardcore MK fans off.

Hey Mr. Target, shut it. We all are pissed and we're going to keep bitching due to all of the faults. And there's many. None of us have this magical copy of MAT2 that you seem to have in your possession that has no glitches except the shadow glitch. Interesting.

We've all got a right to be. For years we've all screamed for a version of the old MK's that would bring tears to our eyes with its perfection. MAT2 was supposed to do this but oh, no, they had to go and fuck it up. None of us would be bitching *as much* if it were passable as an arcade replica but it's not. I could go back to my old genesis or snes ports if i wanted a shitty version of MK.

Obviously you never grew up with MK in the arcades or are that hardcore of an MK fan.

So quit whining about our whining (which isn't whining, it's legitimate complaining) and you go read a damn book.

And by the way, I did read the reviews of this game. They were mixed. Even if the game got shitty reviews around the board I would've still picked it up hoping that they were just to harsh in their reviews.

It is sad. Sad that there are people who are willing to say that MAT2 is in any way acceptable. Anything less than Flawless is unacceptable.

Matt

mk2kungbroken, you and I are the only ones that see this fuckin game for what it really is: bullshit. Thank god you are fuckin intelligent unlike sonicherofan1.

uuuuhhhhhh.........

If I recall, MAT2 was ported by an entirely different company. Digital Eclipse isn't Midway. Besides, didn't those guys manage to pull of porting "Wizard of Wor?" (with proper sound, that is) That game (I'd imagine they'd have to get ahold of the PCB) is supposed to be rarer than rare.

Not that I'm excusing lackluster quality, but to expect Midway to invest tons of time and money in a Best-Of comp when they had a major release like MKD coming out is crazy.

I mean, can you imagine asking the programming team to stop working on a game the company is banking on to succeed so they can go touch up 10 year old emulations?

I can understand why folks are upset but to suggest that Midway should have devoted more time to it is just bad business.

I'm not even really fully reading these posts anymore.

Saying Midway isn't in any way responsible for this is ridiculous.

Doesn't anyone here realize they didn't spend a single dime on R&D for this, or a single dime on graphics editing equipment, or sound editing, or a single dime on creative control? They didn't do anything original at all. Nothing. And they expect us to accept ANOTHER slap in the face. I'm quite frankly offended by their arrogance. Regardless of who made these hapazzed "ports" of what was previously completely finished for them, and the fact that all they had to do was adapt hardware to emulate other hardware, with enormous amounts of fiscal resources compared to what people who program MAME have, it's a pathetic heap of rubbish.

Doesn't anyone realize that there's a ton of people buying the games for the sounds and music? It was always a very big part of MK, for the fans who don't care about gameplay as much. Why should they have to settle for less? Imagine if some programmer with a modded PS2 or X-box could code an emulator to use the roms/whatever file method they used for this that emulates it better? If they used the roms from the arcade, that means everything is there for them and all they have to do is brute force it. If Rogue programmers can make an emulator that plays over 3000 different games for no money, on countless different types of PCs, then a highly paid team can make a perfectly functioning emulator for 20 games, on 3 very specifically and documented sets of hardware.

Once again, I have not, and will not buy Midway arcade treasures. Remember this is an MK board, and that is all I'm talking about here, but when I hear that other games aren't perfect either, it ticks me off as well, but no one on here is really talking about anything else other than the main selling point of the title. These aren't little mistakes, they are glaring mistakes. You don't say you can produce Arcade Perfect ports of old ass games if you can't, and again, it's not from lack of resources. They have it, they aren't willing to use it. They are going to make a lot less money on this specific title now that everyone knows it's got some really lame aspects to it, than they would have made had they waited til Christmas and fully emulated them.

How dumb do you think they are you ask? They're not. They still profit from it, but they take the cheap way out, less effort, less results. That's OK, just bank on MKD, which has sold over a million copes and is becoming more ridiculous everyday, what with the new things that are being discovered that completely prove they don't do any testing whatsoever, OR, they do test, and do leave in the bullshit, just so people complain about it. Anyway you slice it, Midway needs to just disappear. I didn't buy MKDA cause I thought it was crap, Konquest mode is cool in MKD, I beat it, but I will go through and finish out all the side missions and unlock everything, maybe try and make a combo video, but after that I'll never play the game again. I know, my loss. But I sure as Hell won't buy MK7, no matter how cool they make it "seem".

Long live UMK3.

Matt

So if everything Midway does is a huge piece of crap now, why don't you just quit playing MK games instead of bitching about it on a message board?

If Midway not spending money on a cheapie Best Of game bothers you, then just don't play it and STFU. If you really think a company that wasn't even sure it would survive 2 years ago should pump money into making 10+ years old games to your perfection, well I just hope you aren't a business major.

You don't seem to remember before MK:DA hit big, there was a very real chance Midway would go out of business since they were on the verge of bankruptcy. Your idea of the Midway people sitting of fat piles of cash and releasing less than perfect games while lighting cigars with $100 bills is just asinine.

Yes its not acceptable for a game to be released with major issues, but a company can't be expected to have an endless QA budget when they're just coming back from the brink of finanical insolvency.

I understand its a Law of Messageboards (especially gaming ones) that there has to be someone there who's sole purpose is to remind everyone how terrible the game that the forum's based on is. I know, everyone has a right to bitch, blah blah...but you didn't by MAT, MK:DA, you don't like MK:D and you announced your plans to not buy MK7.

So why are you here?

In case you haven't realized, this section is classic MK.



Matt

So you're one of those people who prefer 2D MK to 3D MK? Not saying that's bad, just wondering.

I had a period of adjustment at first, MK:DA didn't seem like "real" MK until I got into the game for a bit.

For a lot of people, the MK universe seems to have stopped at UMK3. To each his/her own I guess, but no game series can stay 2D forever.

Couple of things.
First, no one ever said that everything Midway produces is shit. We're talking about MAT2.

Second, don't contradict yourself by telling us 'not to bitch' then say that "everyone has the right to bitch"

Third, it's not just "someone" reminding people how terrible the game is, most people have gripes about it. You're in the minority there, shooter.

Fourth, Midway almost being bankrupt has diddly shit to do with MAT2 sucking goat testicles. Digital Eclipse was the one that did the emulations, it's their fault. Midway just gave it their blessing to be released.

Last, this is a message board. We can talk about whatever the fuck we want to. If we want to have 56 threads on how shitty MAT2 is, we'll do that. If I want to create a thread about burning down Midway HQ because I'm so pissed about MAT2, I can do that too.

sek- *I* am also one of those who prefer 2D games over 3D games.
Now note I said games not graphics. Some 2D games with 3D graphics are great if not better than 2D games with 2D graphics. MK4 woulda been fine if it didn't have 3D movement... but yeah there's something about the old digitized MK characters that made it so classic...I mean that's why I really loved it.
2D Mortal Kombat games ARE better than 3D Mortal Kombat games

Here's one POSITIVE thing about this: You can now legally have the MK MAME roms on your comp if you bought the MKD Kollector's Edition and MAT2. Albeit there are some very minor differences, anyone who catches you with it can't say a thing about it because you now own the arcade format of the MK games you have on MAME. So for those who TRULY want perfection without the nitpicks, download MAME and the MK1-3 ROMS. Unfortunately you can't have UMK3 on MAME unless you have the original arcade version, so yeah.

With that, I leave you with a last excuse Midway could make from this poor emulations:

"No one's perfect, but we can be close to it."

I'm still not sure how it works in terms of legal usage, but perhaps now it's ok to have MK1, MK2, and MK3 on a CD when playing them through an emulator since the game roms are officially purchased through a CD medium, however, I still doubt it's anywhere near legal to have Mame Roms, since even if you own MK1, MK2, MK3 and UMK3 arcade Machines it's still not legal.

Mortal Kombat as we know it died on July 25th, 1997.

Matt

Actually, I would imagine the game counts as a whole legally, meaning that the game ROM was intended only to be used in conjunction with the emulator that was onboard the CD. Also, game roms cannot be transferred to different mediums. You are allowed legally to have 1 backup of any software you own but that backup has to be in the same format it was originally. That's why if you own the arcade machine it is still illegal to have the ROM on your computer. And why if you own the cartridge for an SNES game, it is still illegal to have the ROM on your computer.

That's so patently ridiculous to state that MK died in 1997 just because you don't like the 3D games.

MK as YOU know it may have died then, but for the rest of us, life marches on.

I still don't get why someone with such a hatred for the new era of MK keeps visiting a MK messageboard. Yeah, this is the Classic MK board, but it's not like someone's going to post anything new about old MK games.

UMK3 is still the best MK game. It is a classic. So, I know I like to chat in the classic section. I'm actually a bit annoyed that MKDA is now in here, it is not a classic.

Also, check out some of the discussions of Combos and Combo Videos. New stuff has definately been posted here about the old games.

UMK3 is the best in the sense that it has every character that was in the series at that point, but its hard to make the argument that it's the best MK game when you consider the following:

1. Too many palette swap characters. Talk about MK programmers being lazy today, what about when they had about 867 palette swap ninjas in lieu of having to be creative and think of a new character design.

2. Animalities, Babalities, Friendships. I've said it before, it was funny in MK2 as a reaction to all the people miffed at the violence in MK1. By the time UMK3 rolled around they were beyond lame.

3. Lame fatalities, recycled animations. Not only were a lot of the fatalites in UMK3 weak, most of them had the same "exploding body with 8 sets of arms and legs" animation.

As far as MK:DA being classic, yeah I see where that's coming from, but apparently the verdict is any MK game before the most current one counts as Classic MK.

By the way dreemernj, I wasn't referring to you in my last post. I was replying to MK2KungBroken, who seems to be devoted to making sure everyone on the internets (tm George W. Bush) knows he hates all the new MK games.

I know, but your words struck a cord with me.

And I base my favoritism for UMK3 99% on gameplay which is lacking in all MK games before and after it.

I am looking forward to MKD's conquest mode, but the gameplay looks to uber broken for it to be worth playing, as was MKDA.

As far as Midway's poor emulations, I think they could have paid some starving Mame programmers to do a better job. It being a $20 game almost sounds like a built in excuse, but its not a good one. EA is making their sports games $20 now and its not an excuse, its a gimmick, a sales tool. It'd be similar to them giving out a Scorpion doll with each copy of MAT2 and expecting that to make up for their laziness in programming the emu.

MAT2 is "illegal", like mk2kungbroken regarded.
The design team lied to the their fans, their OWN fans. They specified some great news, but released unofficial evidence of what we weren't told.

(Random BS, but based on Midway's false source of statements applied)
[Anon] What's MAT3 gonna bring us?
[Midway] A direct rip of Mortal Kombat 4, for sure.
[Anon] Wonderful! Are you for real?
[Midway] To the exact. We are going to test it out before releasing it, it'll be 100% arcade-acurate.

*9 months later, MAT3 releases*

[Anon] MK4 plays like shit! This is the Nintendo 64 version! $@0!!!!11