Things that were Wrong:

1) Arcade way too short.
2) Stories not thought out enough.
3) Deception. (If you say there are SU's and secrets other than whats there deliver on it.)
4) No Quan Chi.
5) Arcade way too short.

Things that were Right"

1) Konquest although doesn't look great is a lot of fun and has a lot of information, especially if you are a fan (Old Skool MK(1) Arcade Days)of the series. Anyway I liked it.

2) 99 Death moves including fatalities, pits, hara kiri's. You wanted them you got them.

3) Once you have Mastered a Character it is just plain" fun". Especially in Chess.

4) Interesting character selection.

5) Darker .

5) Too many cheaters online. I always end up facing cheaters. I have more losses than wins online. I'm inproving but come on. Plus people in the top 50 always face me for an easy win. I'm sick of it!

4) The rankin system online. Once I had 86-154, I got more wins and my rank got worse.

3) Konquest was short, and I didn't know that old guy in Earthrealm could live that long.

2) Infinites are gay. Everyone seems to use them because they want an easy win.

1) I fucking expected Rain! He was perfect for DA and Deception!

@1TrueKing: Yes, I don't understand Tekken as much as I should (cause I played every single Tekken game that came out for the PS1 and PS2) and what I mean with the Fatalities, etc. has indeed nothing to do with the game play, but I'm just comparing what MK has and Tekken hasn't.
MK has multitired arenas, Death Traps, Fatalities, WEAPONS (and pease don't come with Yoshimitsu or Kunimitsu), fighting styles (I'll come to that later), (combo breakers), mini games (ok, Tekken had a few mini games as well), and a damn better story. I mean come on Mishima here, Iron Fist Tournament there. It's as if every MK game (compared to the Tekken story) would be having a tournament, just because Shang wants Liu's soul or something (*cough* Heihachi & Jin, kazuya; Tekken 4 *cough* (orgre, Tekken 3) ...
And the story of the other characters aren't very expanded either I mean look at Lin Xiou Yu (!) or Lee (*lol* combot). I mean really, the story of most of the Tekken characters is really a joke!
I still play Tekken though, but still....

Now to the fighting styles; I know that Tekken has fighting styles as well and I also know that MK has it shown on the left/right bottom of a player and Tekken hasn't but Tekken still has many characters who share the same style. Look at Christie/Eddie; Panda/Kuma; Alex/Roger; Lin Xiou Yu and her school friend (forgot her name); and all those guys with their mentors (like Hwoarang and Baek). Not that they have the same style, but they are mostly very similar. And characters like Unknown/Combot/Mokujin are a joke (not to mention Dr. B. and Gon (the guys like so small; there's not much you can do to him...).
And Unknown as a boss, I mean come on! (Ok, Shinnok wasn't all too different but MK didn't have a bunch of copy cats like Tekken did).
Get what I mean?
I'm not trying to be unfriendly or anything, but that's my opnion.
If there's something you want to add or if you want to defend yourself against some of my points, then please, feel free to do so; I'd be glad to hear your side...

ha!
BIGGETS PROBLEM is lack of decent characters.

Scorpion
Sub Zero
Sindel
Mileena
Ermac

are the best characters.

Kenshi
bo rai cho
asrah
darrius
hotaru

they are all useless and retarded!

Most of the characters you mentionned are bonus alternate costumes for those characters. Each character in Tekken play very diffrerently and the fighting styles are actually accurate. In MK all characters play practically the same and fighting styles are not accurate. Alot of punches and kicks are shared in styles. Not trying to diss Mk (ok, maybe a bit) but if you think that MK's gameplay is better than Tekken's you are very wrong.

Peace out.

You still don't have a clue do you?

All the things you listed MK has with the exception of death traps DO NOT AFFECT GAMEPLAY IN ANYWAY. Weapons don't change the gameplay. It's aesthetic nothing more. Tekken had mini games before MK did. IN fact thats where MK got the idea of the mini games and please don't say test your might cuz I'd hate to call you an idiot. As for the story, well you have no clue what the tekken story is most people who say mk has a better story don't know what tekken is about in the first place. I'll point out again you asked the moronic question of why people care about characters coming back from the dead I answered it and you couldn't even comprehend my answer. It's a fighting game the story is unimportant. Any rpg ever made has a better story than mk and tekken combined. Most action games have a better story than either game.

I'm going to try not to call you an idiot bringing up alternate costumes as being actual characters. With the exception of eddy on tekken 4 all the alternate costumes are 100% identical in play because thats all they are. Tekken 4 eddy has greater range and tekken 5 eddy has different throws. Thats like me saying that pl1 and pl2 ermac share the same style. Now I could point out that sonya and kobra shared the same style or other characters because the midway team was too lazy to actually create a new style let alone flesh the game out in other ways so they just brought the same styles and gave them to a different character. I could point out that up to mk 5 quite a few seperate mk characters were nothing more than color swaps and shared 90% of their movelist with their palette swap. If you think that baek and hwoarang are similiar you've never played tekken in you're life and you should just leave now. What do they share? Whats similiar 1,2,3 goes into flamingo? thats about it f,f2 maybe? Yep they really are similiar thats why baek is considered bottom mid tier and hwoarang is upper mid but hey they are pretty close right.... Unknown wasn't meant to be a playable character, mokujin was put in to be a form of random select and to test your skills on the game and combot was similiar to moku but was basicly a random select.

Do I get what you mean? Yes I get what you mean. You have difficulty with reading comprehension you have a hard time forming coherent thoughts and opinions you're probably under 12 you've never played tekken in your life illustrated by you thinking baek and hwoarang are similiar you don't have a clue what gameplay is and you throw out things like weapons and fatalities as gameplay elements you like mk but you think it's superior to tekken in the engine department yet don't realize that the things you think are part of a game engine have nothing to do with a game engine.

You'd be glad to hear my side? You haven't heard anything I've said yet. You don't comprehend a single thing I say.

The biggest problem with MK:D is the fighting engine,not the number of fatalities,not the short arcade,not because your favorite character wasn't present in this game,not because you think BRC is in this one,not because you think Mileena wasn't sexy in this game,etc.Some of the non-gameplay related needs improvement and change,but overall it remains highly subjective.

Wake up,people.We need an MK that doesn't come down to 50/50 mix ups and EASY infinite combos.

None for me,except mabey the infinites,its online play is the best fighter online hands down i don't care what anyone says plus,Deception won best fighter of the year 04 so i don't know about you guys but thats gotta mean somthing,im giving MK its rightful credit.OH yeah and the ranking system is BS if you ask me.

Please,the individuals who give this game awards have no idea about the infinite combos and glitches.Why do you think it was given the awards in the first place?Because people don't know about them and just resort to the hype the game receives.That's all.

@TrueKing: OK, first of all, I ain't 12, I'm 17.
Secondly, I wasn't using the features (such as fatalities, weapons, etc.) as a definition of the MK fighting engine, I was only telling you what features MK has and Tekken doesn't as an example. I know little of fighting engines and stuff, and thus won't even dare to tell which fighting engine of the both is better or not.
And yes, you are right about most RPG's having a much bigger story than Tekken and MK together, but on the other side, I didn't deny that, did I?
I haven't seen the Tekken movie, sadly, but from the games, I can only say that the story is quite... poor... (no offense though)

Yes I DO know that the cahracters I mentioned where alt costumes but there is a difference between your comparison (Ermac1/2): MK doesn't make an ending for alt costumes! I mean, isn't it a waste of time inventing such a lame story (like Christies for example) fpr an ALT costume?! I mean, come on, a better story at least...
Tekken had Mini games before MK games (like duh, or else I wouldn't have left that point out (or rather said that Tekken has em as well)); did I deny that?

And comparing MK with Tekken; I have to say that I liked the evolution of the MK games a lot more than the Tekken series. Besides, don't you think that Tekken IS getting boring? It's the same with those MK fans complaining about characters who still are returning (like BRC, Liu kang, etc.), and Tekken has like paul in every game, Heihachi in every game (ok, he's supposed to be dead in Tekken 5, but I bet he's returning as a playable character), etc.
Tekken's character frame doesn't really differ from game to game, or do you think elsewise?

Now, I don't have a hard time of comprehending your arguments or your defense towards Tekken, but do try to respect my opinion and not claim me for being a 12 year old chil or whatsoever.
And if you have a problem with my opinion, then either try to discuss in a proper way or leave (although I have praise you for not calling me an idiot; very mature of you )

The problem is you are bringing up points you admit to know nothing about. Tekken's movie has nothing to do with the story. You admit to not knowing the story yet MK has a better one?

As for alt costumes having an extra ending. It's a bonus. You don't have to do it. It's like all the bonus crap you mk fanboys love so much. It's not needed and most of it is utterlly pointless. Do you seriously sit and look at the photo's of the staff? Hell do you even look once? I've personally never looked at a staff photo because it's unimportant. This doesn't change that you said baek and hwoarang are similiar and they aren't in anyway. I'll point out to you. MK 1 the only difference between characters were special moves. Johnny cage had a different uppercut but everybody else was identical. MK2 reptile, scorpion, sub zero. How many differences between them? less than 5 moves per character. They were identical save a small amount of moves yet midway went to the trouble of giving them an ending. Kinda pointless don't you think being that they were nearly identical. In fact the majority of the MK games 1-4 you can find almost no difference between characters yet you try to say tekken characters have the same styles? We are talking about alt costumes. Tekken 3 had 18 characters and only 2 were similiar. Tekken 4 how many were similiar thats right none. Tekken 5 30 characters how many are similiar? Thats right again none.

How can you like the evolution of the MK games when they quite literally got worse each game past ultimate? MK 4 was so bad they closed their arcade division and the sales are the worst in mk history. They managed to fail in the arcades while tekken 3 had been out longer and was still earning high. The tekken games have evolved quite a bit and unlike MK they were always playable and good. The same can't be said of mk. MK has one maybe 2 games that are playable at a competitive level. MK 4 5 6 all phail to provide competitive gameplay. When you get down to it thats all that matters. Gameplay. It doesn't matter if the story is good it doesn't matter if your fave character is in it and it doesn't matter if reiko is shao khan. All that matters is the GAMEPLAY and deception lacks gameplay. It's broken. This thread lists how broken it is over and over again. Can you argue that it's not broken? Can you argue that gameplay doesn't break down at a casual level? Can you argue that it's not one of the worst fighting games released in years? Can you argue that it is finished? Can you argue that midway actually cared about putting out a quality fighter when several of the flaws were known in advance and brought to boon's attention by a member of the staff who no longer is a part of that team?

So even if tekken is getting boring you can still play it as a fighting game. You can't play deception as a fighting game.

It's pointless to argue with you when you say stupid things like the character frame don't differ from game to game. Learn about wth you are talking about before you come into a thread specifically about whats wrong with the game and come off as an idiot with your comments. The majority of this thread is about game engine and you admit to knowing little of them. So why come in it? Do you want to argue with no hope of winning because you don't even know what you are talking about? Do you like having people think you are a moron because of your comments? I've played both games extensively and you haven't yet you feel the need to make comments about both games. Quit you're just making yourself look stupid.

Here's what I found wrong

1) Konquest
2) infinates
3) Dark Raiden
4) Tanya and other crappy characters
5) No Goro & Shao Kahn for the ps2

How does the absence of Goro and Shao Kahn influence the gameplay?

Anyway, the MKD complaint is just ironic: it's a game, so there shouldn't be a 50/50 game, but in real life combat, it comes down pretty much to 50/ 50 mixup as you call it. Opportunitism.

Wait, what?? How did Tekken games have mini games before the MK games? Are you telling me that things like Test Your Might, Space Invaders, Galaga, etc. don't count??

If it's too long for you or you fail to understand what's being said then what's the point of posting about it? a pointless post at that.

Take your personal issues to the PM system and leave others to read and post productively in peace.

I should be a mod, go me

Ignorance does indeed seem to be bliss after all then...

Still though M2dave,every game has glitches,there is no such thing as a glitch free game or a perfect game,granted its still the best fighting game online hands down.

Still though M2dave,every game has glitches,there is no such thing as a glitch free game or a perfect game,granted its still the best fighting game online hands down.

*sigh*

Have you ever played Tekken?Virtua Fighter?Glitches exist everywhere.HOWEVER,you will NEVER find an infinite combo like the Smoke d+1,Throw infinite corner combo in Tekken.Tekken has something called throw escapes for almost every throw.Tekken and of course Virtua Fighter both have wake up games.And a lot more.Read the damn thread by HDTran.Just because you're ignorant and don't know about other fighting games' advanced gameplay elements,doesn't mean MK:D is a great game.

Why are you trying to deny the MK team's poor testing job (not as if they tested anything)?Please go play the two most recent Tekkens and Virtua Fighters;analyze their gameplay,and then make a logical comparison.

MK:D is not the best fighting game online.50/50 mix ups and infinite combos will never be better than a wake up game and advanced Oki set ups like tech-catches,etc.

Space invaders? Which Mk had that on it?

Test your might wasn't a mini game sorry. You mash on a button thats quite a game.

See mini games are things you can play seperate from the actual game. You can't do that on mk's. Tekken 3 had force mode and tekken ball.



This is what we like to call stupid logic. You compare a game that has 1 or 2 glitches to a game that has well over 50 glitches and thats being generous. Thats like saying plan 9 from outer space and pulp fiction are equally bad movies because they both have a flaw in them. However thats not the case plan 9 is filled with plot holes editing problems etc.. and pulp fiction has very few such problems. As for it being the best online fighter actually most people consider SF:AC the best online fighter. It suffers the least from lag releated frame loss due to the system. DOAU, Tekken, and deception all have major issues with online play due to the frame loss. Well actually deception is better online than off because of frame loss but hey.

I love reading your posts. You honestly don't realize what you are saying and it's refreshing that in todays society people like you are allowed to use the internet.

people should see this thread........

Ok........I'll just ignore these arguments and post what i think is wrong.

(in no particular order)

5. Konquest Mode- so boring and time consuming. they need to find a better way to unlock stuff.

4. Fighting Engine- too many useless moves. They should have 1 fighting style and one weapon.

3. The realm of Seido- Fuck all of you. Your storyline sucks much balls.

2. Bland new characters- Kobra, Kira, Darrius, Hotaru, and Dairou were all boring. Ashrah and Havik were the only ones remotly intersting. Next time give us just 3-4 new characters that are actually thought out instead of recycling so many moves and styles.

1. As people have said before it doesn't effect the gameplay, but unoriginality on fatalities. I mean yea it doesn't effect the gameplay but it does effect my enjoyment of the game. I mean I've said this before but Goro is the strongest dude and he stabs you with sais. Come on Midway? Is it that hard to come up with ways to grotesquely kill people? I think not.

@1TrueKing: Your point stating that the majority of this thread is about the game enging doesn't affect me in any way of staying out, cause it's about pointing out what one didn't like so much about MKD, so why shouldn't I be able to say my opinion, which is that MKD is still (IMO) a cool game, even if it does have glitches, ruined fighting engine and bla ba bla...

And your comparison is like so pathetic; does the fact that Tekken Arcade games are much more succesful than MK Arcade games (well, related to the time where MK Arcade games were still being produced) make the gameplay of Tekken better?!
What I meant with the "evolution of MK" was the evolution of the MK games; not the Arcade business or whatsoever.
And to answer your question, no I don't even look at the pictures of the MK producers...

How can you state that the Tekken frame isn't similar from game to game?! I already mentioned some never-staying-away-characters such as Paul, the whole Michima crew (Heihachi, Kazuya; and please don't start with Kazuya wasn't in Tekken 3... -.-), Law (and don't start here either with "they were different laws (father, son) " -.-), Kuma/Panda, (until Tekken 4:) Jack (1, 2 and GunJack), etc., etc.
The only change in the character frame was merely in Tekken 3 when they let the whole mentor troup die (which was IMO a good idea, cause the Tekken frame would have become even more boring... )

And you say that MK 4, 5 and 6 were even crapier than the MK's before, but earlier you said that MK 1 and 2 were like so plain --> doesn't make any sense; how can MK 1 and 2 be better than 4, 5 and 6 if they (or I think you mentioned the character frame mainly) were so plain? Besides, the ninjas might have been just one ninja character in different colours but they still had their own special moves which made them unique. Many people seem to like em, so why not?
And you can't even start with MK 1 and 2 cause when they were made, that was like aaaages ago, and like, when was Tekken made?

And how can you even state that I know nothing of the Tekken story? True, I haven't watched the Tekken movie, but as you stated, it has nothing to do with the games itself...


I will stop comenting, as you have advised me to do so, but not because this is making me look pathetic (what do I care what others think of me... ) but because you are getting cocky and I'm not really in the mood to state my opinions if weirdos like you get cocky...

I wanted to list 5 things I loved and hated about MKD.

I'll start with the flaws
1) konquest was a total tease and a waste of itme, incomplete and after awhile just gets repeattive and boring., I would have rather that disk space have been used to add more characters to the roost.
2)WHY DID'NT PS2 and XBOX GET GORO OR SHAO KHAN OR BETTER YET, KINTARO!!
3) The ladder was way to short.
4)The storyline is in need of a new twist,.... all new characters, all new realm, all new story.
5) the dial-up combo's get repeattive.

Great stuff
1) This is the BEST mk ever made so far!!! (THANK YOU FOR BRINGING MILEENA BACK GUYS!!), yes I love this game even more them mk2 (I'm a fan from the very first release of mk in the arcades and on sega genisis)
2) Finally!!!... fully interactive background death traps!!!
3) I think the graphics and music totally rock!( Thank you mk team for giving almost everyone thier own scream and voices!!)
4) Love the new fatals and suicides.
5) The mini-games are fun and add even more replay vaule to an excellent game

Mortal kombat has changed alot since 1992, and honestly IMO is better then ever!