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05/13/2005 11:04 PM (UTC)
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kilerb Wrote:
I think you guys have some valid points, but if you think you're going to convince me that people that play 20 minutes a day are going to beat the people that play 3 hours a day (When they have similar skill level capabilities) i think that's crazy... I play a lot (Off an on) and I am so much better now than when I was 2 months ago even. The more you play, the more you see, the more you can learn and adapt to other players fighting styles.


There's an old saying. Work smarter not harder. The same applies to playing a game. Let's use professional hockey as an example despite it being defunct as of now. The New York Rangers are one of the eight original teams and have the highest payroll in the NHL. The New Jersey Devils have more limited finances and have only been a team since 1981. Despite the supposed disadvantage, the Devils have proven to be the much better team overall while the Rangers have had trouble even getting into the playoffs over the last few years. So the concept that a person could play a fighting game smarter for a short time and be better than someone who's been playing for years isn't so far fetched. It's a mindset. Any idiot can memorize every single move a character has and all the related numbers. But if that guy doesn't know how to use those moves, then he's not going to be all that good. Who do you really think has a better chance at winning? A guy with two years of playing experience who only plays one way (be it good or not) and never learns from mistakes or refines his play style vs. a guy playing for six months who's constantly rethinking his strategies and using only the absolute best moves in the best situations? I'm not going to be so inflammatory and say that you aren't good. But I will say that if you are as good as you claim to be then you must believe yourself better than someone who plays less efficiently no matter how long he's been playing.

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Why are you guys arguing about everything possible? I think if I said I like playing in my bedroom you guys would have facts about people playing in the living room having superior skills over bedroom players. This is just getting ridiculous. It's not like they have tournaments every week so that these guys can get so great by going to them.


You're the one challenging every point we're making, not the other way around. You just told 1TruKing that he's wrong about being able to be one of the best with only 20-30 minutes playing per day and yet he's actually one of the best at Tekken 3 so obviously he's not bullshitting you.

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It's funny how we're on an MK board and I'm sitting here arguing with a bunch of people that apparently don't own the game and are not willing to play me so we can settle some of these claims the real way.


Fact is, we all own the game and that's why we're here. If there's one thing that pisses me off more than anything else it's when people tell me I'm not a real MK fan for whatever reason. As if I'm here just to ruin people's day and not try to play a small role in making one of my favorite series the best it can be. It's a shame that whenever someone mentions there's a flaw in the engine it turns into a fight.

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If you really think online players suck, which i am one, I beg you, play me. Get an xbox with some of your tekken 5 prize money and play me. I want to see what a tournament classed player is like to battle against. If not, then I guess all you guys can do is copy what we're saying, paste it, diss us, call us names, and ACT superior.


Don't twist people's words around. Nobody flat out said online players suck. It's just that online is far from being the end all arguement when it comes to determining how good a player actually is. Forget about the perceived differences of being calm in your house vs. being in a crowded room with money on the line. Ask any boxer if there's a difference between an exhibition and a title fight. That alone means something, but there are really practical reasons why online play is flawed and it's really not anyone's fault in particular. The problem is that the data cannot move fast enough yet. So you end up with lag and additional glitches (there are many infinites for example that only work online). Somebody with an Xbox version please play him to prove the points we know are valid. I'd play but I lack both the Xbox version of the game and Xbox Live. Is there any way you can get access to the PS2 version of the game?
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05/14/2005 02:41 AM (UTC)
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Man you're writing a book at a time. I'll address this first. Calling me stupid is just not nice dude. I mean I'm not going to say I think you're stupid even if some of the things you're saying make me think you are. It's just immature. I will give you this, i don't play these other games and I cannot stand here and compare them. So, they may have better engines. But me defending this game and saying I love it and that if glitches and infinites are not allowed should not be something that you should insult my intelligence over. If I'm wrong, that may mean I'm ignorant to these other games, but if you notice the other guys on your side are having a respectable debate and not insulting my intelligence. Why you have to go there is beyond me. If you think I am belittling you by some of the things I'm saying, believe me, if I didn't receive "stupid" and "scrub" 3 times from you already, I would be a heck of a lot more respectful back. When it comes to people wanting to go to vegas and play in a tournament, YES, that happens all the time, but if you think that is where they acquired their skills rather than hours and hours playing at home, I think you're the ignorant one. I still don't understand why someone that hates this game so much visits it's boards so regularly? Do you visit boards about wedding photography and how to use Sony Acid Pro 5 even though those maybe things you don't even like? Or is it just to look for people that you find stupid so you can let them have it, call them names, and make yourself feel better?

I was not dissing people that go to tournaments. I meant that they don't get as good as they are by doing it. I live in LA so Vegas is a once every few months trip for me. I would love to be in EVO.

I've never played Tekken 5 and I really don't want to, but if you'd like to play me at MKD, I'd be more than happy to play this game of chance with ya. I do disagree with the 50/50 thing being a game of chance and only a game of chance. If that was the case, no one would be better than anyone else. I play the best people I can and they are always better than me or worse. I don't just walk up to people and 50/50 them everytime. There's more to the game then that. Trying to execute a special move when you think you're at the right range and learning when they will let go of the block button to do so. Also, most people develope patterns and no one is really truely random, so that helps you decide what to do and how to block. Anyway, I appreciate you guys explaining to me about the other engines and how they are superior... I honestly never really got into them. I was just saying i enjoy the game and if it's at EVO i'll love to go. Also that if glitches and infinites are gone i think it will be more fair (Yes i said fair at the beginning) and won't be that big of a thing. If i'm wrong, I'm wrong... But if I'm right, I promise I won't come back here and call any of you STUPID... grin


Quit doing and saying stupid/scrubby things and you won't get called stupid or a scrub. It's an easy concept. Feel free to say I'm stupid I can document that I'm a genius can you do the same? You call me immature but you take shots in your posts at me as well on top of being wrong in general that doesn't bode well for you. I have no respect for stupid people never have. If you want to be stupid you will get no respect from me and you keep saying stupid things over and over again. Now I could go into your inability to read but I'll be nice.

They do have better engines. It's a fact deal with it.

But me defending this game and saying I love it and that if glitches and infinites are not allowed should not be something that you should insult my intelligence over. I

You just don't get it do you. I couldn't care less if you love the game. Love it all you want but if you are actually stupid enough to believe it's only problem is glitches and infinites and that gameplay is "fair" or good without them you deserve to be called stupid. It's been explained to you and you still don't get it.

Actually they have insulted your intelligence it just wasn't as crude as mine. I'm just a little more obvious about it and they also know that they can count on me to put you in your place while they can concentrate on other things. If I wasn't doing it I'm sure krackerjack would take over my spot or dave would.

I have to go there because I have an intense dislike of stupidity. Sorry it's a pet peeve and if you still can't understand why you're a scrub and suck at even this game why should I call you anything but....

If you think I am belittling you by some of the things I'm saying, believe me, if I didn't receive "stupid" and "scrub" 3 times from you already, I would be a heck of a lot more respectful back.

So you admit you aren't mature yourself. Very good. It's a sure sign of maturity that when you've been repeatedly insulted and made to look foolish that you start taking veiled shots at the person. Sorry no. That makes you a hypocrite. The sad part is you probably don't even understand how you are one.

When it comes to people wanting to go to vegas and play in a tournament, YES, that happens all the time, but if you think that is where they acquired their skills rather than hours and hours playing at home, I think you're the ignorant one.

We could put this to a vote to the people in the thread. Which one of us is ignorant. The one who's been playing in tournaments nearly 10 years who's traveled to several different cities, who has won tournaments and only placed out of the top 10 twice in any tournament he has entered, who has been paid to contribute his personal strategy for 11 different characters on a strategy guide for the home version of a game or you somebody who doesn't think infinites are easy to do who's never traveled and who thinks mk is fine without glitches and infinites. Yes which one is more likely to know what he's talking about. Obviously it's the basement warrior who's never even played a good fighting game let alone a person worth playing... Thats sarcasm there, which btw is an excellent way to make stupid people look stupid, not that I'm calling you stupid... I mean OBVIOUSLY you are a much better authority on how a good player gets good than myself... that was sarcasm again. Sorry I got good, as did many others, by traveling and playing top players. In some cases the top players were centralized so travel wasn't required or less travel in the case of the north cali and so cal players. The top players travel and learn from others thats where they really learn the game. But hey again you're the authority not me....

I still don't understand why someone that hates this game so much visits it's boards so regularly?

Of course you don't. It's been explained and you still don't get it.

You weren't dissing people who went to tournaments. Don't make me quote that post again. You are full of shit sorry it was a pathetic attempt to flame me and you showed your own hypocrisy in the post so now you're taking it back.

Of course you disagree with the 50/50 thing being a game of chance. Watch high level matches between top players it can be rather random. some people flat out suck and others have played other games so already have a concept of how a fighting game works and how to properly apply 50/50's. The people with this knowledge can put the 50/50's in their favor giving them a better shot at winning than joe scrub who doesn't even know what tekken is. I'll play you for 1000$ on MK:D if you play me for 1k on tekken 5. I could use 2k.

Just because you choose not to take advantage of the game design and 50/50 people everytime doesn't mean somebody else won't. I'd like to point to your whine about bo players beating you like a bitch with f3 as an example.

Feel free to come back and call anybody stupid. You're the only one who thinks it will be "fair" despite the majority of the people here being better than you.


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what ever it takes for me to win some bread in the only game im willing to spend time to play is gonna due u see?


I just think it's funny you believe you've got a shot at winning anything there.

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Then let's play Menthol... I think you guys have some valid points, but if you think you're going to convince me that people that play 20 minutes a day are going to beat the people that play 3 hours a day (When they have similar skill level capabilities) i think that's crazy... I play a lot (Off an on) and I am so much better now than when I was 2 months ago even. The more you play, the more you see, the more you can learn and adapt to other players fighting styles. I've played people with 10,000+ wins... ONLINE... You're saying some guy that plays offline 10 minutes a day would just walk in and beat him? Why are you guys arguing about everything possible? I think if I said I like playing in my bedroom you guys would have facts about people playing in the living room having superior skills over bedroom players. This is just getting ridiculous. It's not like they have tournaments every week so that these guys can get so great by going to them. It's funny how we're on an MK board and I'm sitting here arguing with a bunch of people that apparently don't own the game and are not willing to play me so we can settle some of these claims the real way. If you really think online players suck, which i am one, I beg you, play me. Get an xbox with some of your tekken 5 prize money and play me. I want to see what a tournament classed player is like to battle against. If not, then I guess all you guys can do is copy what we're saying, paste it, diss us, call us names, and ACT superior.


Of course we won't convince you despite having an example of a person who did and still does that. When i started to play tekken tag again I played it one day a week for maybe 3 hours max. After about a month I was consistantly beating the top players at the arcade despite them playing every single day for a few hours. I was beating people who were playing 15-20 hours a week on my 3 hours a week and I wasn't even putting my mind to it. One of the top players there managed to only beat me 3 times in 6 months despite playing significantly more than I. I would go to tournaments and place much higher than people that played much more than I did. Hell when I was at my tekken 3 peak I primarily played the cpu in the arcade for my 30 minutes a day. Hey though again you're right I mean you obviously know more than I do on the subject despite me actually being able to back up that I DID IT.

USMCogre played the game for 3 days and shot to the #1 rank easily. The only person who consistantly beat him was tom brady and he quit. So yes it's very possible and has happened before. A person plays a short time and understands the patheticly simple engine and dominates somebody who's played 10000 matches.

See the problem is you are using stupid logic. The more you play the more you see. The FACT is there is a finite amount of things to see. there is a finite amount of strategies. Especially on MK:D it's pathetic how simple it is. You can learn all you need to know in a very short time if you have the intelligence and physical dexterity to pull it off then it's not hard.


Quite a few places have weekly tournaments. You sure do enjoy sticking your foot in your mouth there bud.

Like I said I'll play you a money match on deception and tekken 5. I won't play a money match online though cuz it's a true expierience. If you can beat me on deception then you don't lose anything you break even but if you can't beat me on deception, despite me not palying it, then you're out 2 grand. Your choice. Nobody is acting superior you're just acting inferior so it seems that we are.


Regarding tony's post:

There's an old saying. Work smarter not harder. The same applies to playing a game. Let's use professional hockey as an example despite it being defunct as of now. The New York Rangers are one of the eight original teams and have the highest payroll in the NHL. The New Jersey Devils have more limited finances and have only been a team since 1981. Despite the supposed disadvantage, the Devils have proven to be the much better team overall while the Rangers have had trouble even getting into the playoffs over the last few years. So the concept that a person could play a fighting game smarter for a short time and be better than someone who's been playing for years isn't so far fetched. It's a mindset. Any idiot can memorize every single move a character has and all the related numbers. But if that guy doesn't know how to use those moves, then he's not going to be all that good. Who do you really think has a better chance at winning? A guy with two years of playing experience who only plays one way (be it good or not) and never learns from mistakes or refines his play style vs. a guy playing for six months who's constantly rethinking his strategies and using only the absolute best moves in the best situations? I'm not going to be so inflammatory and say that you aren't good. But I will say that if you are as good as you claim to be then you must believe yourself better than someone who plays less efficiently no matter how long he's been playing.


There is a player from my hometown, portland, who fits this example to a tee. He is a very solid player but he's always a one trick pony. He doesn't adjust. He knows he doesn't adjust. He primarily plays against people who are far worse than he so he dominates and can win tournaments however when somebody come's along with any sort of intelligence he loses. He can't adjust. His strategy is ALWAYS very good but once you realize what it is you can win easily. He had a great hwoarang on tekken tag but his game revolved around d3,4 mixups. d3 was special mid and 4 is high. When this was learned by myself and my friend he was easy to beat. He would ALWAYS go back to d3,4 if a match was close and you could reaction duck and hit him once you were looking for it. Despite me punishing him 20 consecutive times in a series of games when he attempted a d3,4 mixup he still went back to it in a close game and still lost. When I played him in a tournament once I beat him 9 consecutive rounds with 2 perfects on my 4th best character without even putting an effort forth. He also plays far more than I ever did. Hell on third strike I barely played the game but I split games with him urien vs chun li and I gave him problems on alpha 3. He is too predictable and he always will be. Good player and can do well in tournaments because he has excellent execution just no adjustments. Being the good friends that I am I told a guy he was playing in the tekken tag nationals how to beat his hwoarang and he got destroyed as a result. Yes I'm evil.
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05/16/2005 06:51 AM (UTC)
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Wow guys, I'd rather be me with a broken game, than you with your egotistical know it all attitudes and your need to disect every single sentence people drop here. OVER A VIDEO GAME! I was just saying I like the game and I didn't see why it shouldn't be in EVO if they don't allow certain things and everything anyone says is broken down into some cold, calculated, literal, copy and paste investigation. You guys are spending way too much time bashing a game that you don't even like on a board that is built for the players of this game. Just for a second, forget whether the game is good or not, forget if the supporters like myself are scrubs and stupid.... Get a fricken life man. I feel soooo sorry for you dude. You maybe correct (as i said in one of my last couple posts) about the engine being better, but liking the game does not make someone any less intelligent than you. If being a genius equals being someone with a life like what you seemingly have, then lord, make me as dumb as can be!!! Damn you have issues. I haven't been here for a few days, but by the looks of the way you work, you'll probably read this VERY SHORTLY... So, you may copy every portion of every paragraph I have ever written, explain why you think we're below you, make your insecure selves feel good with that, get that last word that you obviously deperatelyy need in, because this is my last posting. It's obvious that anyone that likes a game that you consider unworthy is trash and beneath you in your asessment. So I'm no longer going to go back and forth with you and your closed off minds. You can't accept that people like a game that doesn't have a perfect or close to perfect engine, than I'm sorry that you don't realize there are many other attractive qualities that make the game entertaining. We're not all robots needing 100% perfection in a video game. Entertainment is what some are after. You swirved around every single challenge I've laid out there even though you're supposedly part of the fighting game traveling circus. Well, you can get on Xbox live anytime, add my username KlLLER B (The i is actually a lowercase L, so it's 3 L's in a row.) leave me a message telling me who you are, and i'll show you what i've got. If you do not ever do so, I will call you a chicken now. Chicken!!! So, now pour out your last argument that will get read by a few straggling people that hit this thread and realize that you are walking away with more talk than actual walk. You will not add me because you've made it obvious that actually accepting a challenge from a "scrub" is not something that you're willing to do. I guess it could be catasrophic in the "fighting games community" if you lost to someone with such a title. Anyway, I have to go do things in real life now, and I'll continue to play in my imaginary skilled "matrix like" life that all the real traveling gamers from plannet zyon look down on and laugh at.... On Xbox Live. grin See ya dorks! Have fun at your next fighting game convention where you can see the new tekken 6 engine perfected with nano-second reflex technology that actually makes it 100% lifelike fighting scenarios, as if you were in the a real battle!!! LOL!!!!
Lahoooooooooooooooooo
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05/16/2005 07:34 AM (UTC)
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kilerb Wrote:
You can't accept that people like a game that doesn't have a perfect or close to perfect engine, than I'm sorry that you don't realize there are many other attractive qualities that make the game entertaining.


Well, I'm not sure any fighting game has a "perfect" fighting engine, but there are defininitaley better ones.

I like fatalities. I like the Hara-Kiri idea. I even like the mini-games. What I don't like is losing a match because I guessed wrong.


You swirved around every single challenge I've laid out there even though you're supposedly part of the fighting game traveling circus. Well, you can get on Xbox live anytime, add my username KlLLER B (The i is actually a lowercase L, so it's 3 L's in a row.) leave me a message telling me who you are, and i'll show you what i've got. If you do not ever do so, I will call you a chicken now. Chicken!!!


Actually, he answered every argument and point with irrefutable facts. Period. He also laid 2 G's on the table. I've never talked to TruKing, I don't know him personally or otherwise, but I do know OF him. If he issues or accepts a challenge, he's serious. How serious are you?

So, now pour out your last argument that will get read by a few straggling people that hit this thread and realize that you are walking away with more talk than actual walk.


Actually, noone that matters will have to read any of his last arguments. More and more people here understand his and others arguments/points (a.k.a. FACTS), and won't need to read it again.

Anyway, I have to go do things in real life now,


Then why do you keep posting?

See ya dorks! Have fun at your next fighting game convention where you can see the new tekken 6 engine perfected with nano-second reflex technology that actually makes it 100% lifelike fighting scenarios, as if you were in the a real battle!!!


And that would be a bad thing why?

Lahoooooooooooooooooo
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confusedOkay, that was just plain weak.
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05/16/2005 08:28 AM (UTC)
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That was pretty damn funny actually. You keep going back to that "get Xbox Live!" thing when it's plainly obvious that everyone here talking has it on PS2 and that is the only reason we're not playing you. Because we physically can't do it. I actually asked you quite politely if there was any way that you could get access to a PS2 version of the game since, well, it's by far the most widely played one and any one of us could then participate in these challenges you make. What's the deal with saying "GET XBOX LIVE! NOW AND PLAY ME!" Why don't you get it on PS2? Maybe your the "chicken" then. Then you degenerate the entire post into a "get a life" routine. Please, friend, define a "life" if you happen to be such an expert.

The only reason we use the quote and respond style to answering your posts is because there is a lot of content in them worth responding to and by breaking it down it keeps things organized. If that means we don't have lives then whatever, dude. It's not like I have anything to prove to you regarding that. If, however, you want to play a game of Deception, get a PS2 version unless your chicken. See how lame that is? Look in the mirror and tell yourself that calling someone "chicken" because he doesn't have the game on the same console as you isn't lame. Then if you manage to do that without laughing, define for yourself what having a life should include. Tell ya what, sport. Why don't you actually respond to what we said. I made a fairly straight forward analogy to professional hockey, a defense to 1TruKing's claim that a player can become good without playing forever, and an explanation as to the problems with online. I actually even gave a rather respectful suggestion that we play on the PS2 if you could get a hold of one. Nobody is dodging your challenges. Why not answer if you're so high and mighty? You think your right so why not show it, sport? We try to explain shit and ask questions to you and instead of being as direct in return, you spout out the worst possible "get a life" comments I've ever seen.

There was no way you could have known this, but I was sent a PM about you by 1TruKing asking if he was too harsh on you. I actually defended you in my reply. I said that I believed you when you claimed to never have seen the broken shit like 50/50s and infinites so I figured all it would take is someone to play you online and show you first hand. I told 1TruKing that I hoped either you would get the PS2 version or someone here had access to an Xbox just so that could happen. Then you come back with that rediculous post and I regret saying anything in your defense. Guess what, sport. I never called you stupid once. Not once. And 1TruKing didn't say such bad things either. "Scrub" was the worst. The fact that you can't even respond to the most respectful comments and suggestions says to me that you are the insecure one. But, whatever. You're the one with a life, right, sport? So as the authority on such a subject, please, oh wise one, actually give a real response that doesn't involve a "get a life" comment. I figure someone with a life should be able to answer if he could get hold of a PS2 version or maybe show that he actually read the things that were said and developed a real rebuttal to them. That's how these conversations go, sport. You say something, we respond to what's wrong with what you said, you do the same, back and forth, back and forth. I defended you. WTF was I thinking? I got bit in the ass on that one. No doubt about it.
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05/16/2005 08:39 AM (UTC)
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Kilerb PLEASE use paragraphs. It's hard to read your replies when it's all clumped together. Thanks.

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05/16/2005 07:14 PM (UTC)
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Not gonna bother with the quote box will just bold stuff.

Wow guys, I'd rather be me with a broken game, than you with your egotistical know it all attitudes and your need to disect every single sentence people drop here.

Being right =\= egotistical or know it all. I would like to point out you are the one coming into this thread trying to tell people who are better, and know better, than you how things are. You told me i couldn't be better than somebody on a game that they play 6 hours a day despite me playing 30 minutes a day. Yet it happened. So uh which one of us is the egotistical know it all again? As for me disecting every sentence why wouldn't I? You have this whole thing with being a hypocrite. You like to tell others to learn to read yet you fail yourself. You like to tell other people they are losers for traveling to cities meeting new people getting paid to play a game for oh say 6 hours and spending the rest of the time doing other stuff in the city. yet you state you will be doing the exact same thing going to vegas. Get a clue please.

I was just saying I like the game and I didn't see why it shouldn't be in EVO if they don't allow certain things and everything anyone says is broken down into some cold, calculated, literal, copy and paste investigation.

No you weren't. You weren't saying anything of the sort. You stated people suck who get hit by infinites you said it's not all that bad and you said that the game is fine if you remove glitches and infinites. You were told why you were wrong and you refuse to even understand that. I'm sorry if you meant to say that in your first post and instead had some sort of seizure that resulted in the crap you actually posted but it sounds to me like you're tired of getting made a fool of so you are backing down. You said something scrubbish you got called a scrub. You continue to say scrubby things even in this post.

You guys are spending way too much time bashing a game that you don't even like on a board that is built for the players of this game.

Sounds like you're being egotistical and a know it all with that statement. It's been said before why these people are here and you don't understand it. You wonder why anybody questions your intelligence. I'll say it again for you. I'll use nice bold big letters so even YOU can't miss it. THE PEOPLE HERE WHO DON'T LIKE THE GAME ARE REAL FANS OF THE GAME THEY WANT A GOOD GAME THAT IS COMPETITIVE AND ISN'T ONE OF THE MOST PATHETIC FIGHTING ENGINES PUT FORTH IN QUITE AWHILE. THEY WANT A GAME THAT CAN BE PLAYED AT CASUAL LEVELS, UNLIKE DECEPTION, AND ALSO AT HIGH LEVELS, AGAIN UNLIKE DECEPTION. THEY WANT A FIGHTING GAME THAT MAKES SENSE. THEY DON'T CARE IF IT'S THE BEST GAME EVER MADE AND QUITE FRANKLY NOBODY HERE HAS MUCH FAITH MIDWAY COULD POSSIBLY MAKE A GAME THAT GOOD BUT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE AN AVERAGE GAME. NOTHING LESS. I KNOW THIS IS A VERY DIFFICULT CONCEPT FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND. A FAN WHO DOESN'T THINK THE SERIES THEY ENJOY SHOULD BE CONSIDERED THE LAUGHING STOCK OF FIGHTING GAMES. If there are any words in there you don't understand please tell me and I'll explain.

Just for a second, forget whether the game is good or not, forget if the supporters like myself are scrubs and stupid.... Get a fricken life man.

Typical you can't argue with anything I say. You repeatedly put your foot in your mouth so you resort to saying get a life. I'd like to point out you're the one with over 5000 games played on deception. Yet you tell myself, who plays maybe 30 minutes a day on a good engine, to get a life. Yes this makes sense. Your parents must be so proud.

I feel soooo sorry for you dude.

Feel sorry for me if you want to. I couldn't care less. I can at least read and converse in an intelligible manner without becoming increasingly predictable with my comments. Again one of us is a genius and it's not you.

You maybe correct (as i said in one of my last couple posts) about the engine being better, but liking the game does not make someone any less intelligent than you.

I am correct. The engines are factually better on several fighting games. I never said that your liking the game made you less intelligent than myself. It's several other things that confirm that "challenge" about you.

If being a genius equals being someone with a life like what you seemingly have, then lord, make me as dumb as can be!!!

I don't think he could make you any dumber personally. Lets take a look. I've traveled across the country. I play less than 30 minutes a day. I've met thousands of people. I've been paid to play a video game. I managed to do this while having a job and a girlfriend keeping up on latest movies and music and even having 2 jobs for a time. Yeah damn it sounds like I've got no life. How often do you travel somehwere just cuz you felt like going there again? It's been a hard life man it sure as hell sucks to be me.

So, you may copy every portion of every paragraph I have ever written, explain why you think we're below you, make your insecure selves feel good with that, get that last word that you obviously deperatelyy need in, because this is my last posting

You've got one paragraph... Seriously as has been said use some paragraphs lol. It's worse that you say every paragraph like there are multiple. Whats this we thing? The only person I'm talking to is you. The fact is you've never been able to counter one single thing I've said. You've repeatedly shown your own ignorance, hypocrisy, and inability to read let alone form a coherent post. As I've said before if you don't say something stupid or scrubby you won't get called stupid or scrubby. I've never said I'm better than you at anything other than tekken. If I were saying this due to my own insecurity that would imply I envied you in some form or another and it's clear I don't. I'm very secure but I'd point out that you're the one who's trying to flame here and refuses to understand a single thing said. I'd like to point out you fail to read quite often and you bash others for it. I'd like to point out you stick your foot in your mouth in almost every post. Sound's like you're the one who's insecure.

It's obvious that anyone that likes a game that you consider unworthy is trash and beneath you in your asessment

No, it's not obvious. Far from it. I've said before I couldn't care less whether you like the game or not. The fact is the engine is broken. You can like a broken engine just like you can like a broken car it doesn't mean the car is good however. The game is bad it's a fact. You liking it doesn't influence me one way or the other. You saying it's balanced and fair however does. You saying that you have to suck to get hit by an infinite does. You saying infinites are hard to do, does. This is yet another example of your pathetic inability to read. Are you dyslexic or what?

So I'm no longer going to go back and forth with you and your closed off minds

I don't have a closed mind. You're the one who refuses to read or understand anything. You're the one with the closed mind.

You can't accept that people like a game that doesn't have a perfect or close to perfect engine, than I'm sorry that you don't realize there are many other attractive qualities that make the game entertaining We're not all robots needing 100% perfection in a video game. Entertainment is what some are after

I never said that. Jesus you're a fucking moron aren't you. Like the game all you want. Love it for all I care that doesn't make it a good game. You came into this thread talking about shit you know nothing about talking about sales numbers you know nothing about and you got dealt with. Entertainment is fine but that doesn't mean the game is good or the engine is good. We are talking about the engine here nothing else. Fuck puzzle kombat fuck the archon ripoff chess kombat fuck konquest mode fuck online play fuck all of that bullshit. The engine is bad if you enjoy the game fine but don't come in here talking about how it's not that bad when you obviously don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

You swirved around every single challenge I've laid out there even though you're supposedly part of the fighting game traveling circus.

I'm part of a traveling circus. Wow thats cute. Did you come up with that all by yourself? I'd like to point out to you that in my last post I issued a challenge to you for a money match on tekken 5 for 1000$ and on MK:D for 1000$. Now you and I both know you have no hope of ever beating me at any tekken in your entire life so thats a free win for me. Yet you think that I have no shot at beating you on deception because I've never played a single vs match. I don't play it at all. I couldn't possibly master the system in a short time before EVO and beat you right? So you lose 1k on tekken 5 and if you beat me on deception you get it back. If you lose however thats 2 grand that goes to me and if by some miracle you managed to beat me on tekken thats some cash for you. I didn't swirve around anything, as usual you failed to read. I challenged you and you ignored it. You go on with your bad self.

Well, you can get on Xbox live anytime, add my username KlLLER B (The i is actually a lowercase L, so it's 3 L's in a row.) leave me a message telling me who you are, and i'll show you what i've got. If you do not ever do so, I will call you a chicken now. Chicken!!!

I don't have xbox and I challenged you to a money match and you ignored it and want to play me on xbox. Call me a chicken but you're a fucking pussy lol.

So, now pour out your last argument that will get read by a few straggling people that hit this thread and realize that you are walking away with more talk than actual walk

How am I walking away with more talk when I challenged you and you pretended like it didn't happen? Sounds like you're doing the talking there to me.

You will not add me because you've made it obvious that actually accepting a challenge from a "scrub" is not something that you're willing to do. I guess it could be catasrophic in the "fighting games community" if you lost to someone with such a title.

Or it could be that I challenged you to a money match if you intend to go to EVO and you can't read. Maybe it could be that I don't have xbox or maybe it's cuz I challenged you to a money match and you backed down and attempted to turn it around and only made yourself look stupid in the process. I dunno maybe I'm going out on a limb here but you seem to enjoy the taste of your own foot. I honestly wouldn't care if I lost to you or not. I've never claimed to be any good at deception and admit I don't play it yet you still back down from a money match.

Anyway, I have to go do things in real life now, and I'll continue to play in my imaginary skilled "matrix like" life that all the real traveling gamers from plannet zyon look down on and laugh at.... On Xbox Live. See ya dorks!

You spend more time palying video games than I do yet you call me a dork. You haven't been paid to play a game. You haven't been to atlanta and chicago and san jose and sunnyvale and seatlle and portland and indainapolis and new orleans and los angelese and orange county and san francisco and las vegas just cuz you felt like it. So which one of us is the dork again? The one who hides in his house or the one who travels the country?

Have fun at your next fighting game convention where you can see the new tekken 6 engine perfected with nano-second reflex technology that actually makes it 100% lifelike fighting scenarios, as if you were in the a real battle!!! LOL!!!!


Now you resort to something a 5 year old would say. Sorry I've never been to a game convention in my life. Tekken is far from 100% lifelike it's just got an engine that makes sense.

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Saherrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrsss (Sorry, I can only take your name calling for so long before the truth must be revealed...)


Well you've taken shots at myself before and you were the one talking about maturity. You got put in your place you got dealt with and you got shown to be stupid. So you respond by calling me a loser despite openly admitting to being a bigger loser than myself. So for your benifit lets recap:
Again you're the one who plays the game more. You're the one who can't read. You're the one who's a hypocrite. You're the one who is closed minded. You're the one who's egotistical. You're the one who's a know it all. You're the one who repeatedly responds with statements that were specifically talked about in the scrub article. You're the one who backs down from a challenge and claims I backed down. I honestly feel sorry for you. I'd hate to have a reading disability.



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DanGe
05/17/2005 01:46 AM (UTC)
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My head hurts after reading all that text!
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1TruKing
05/17/2005 10:53 AM (UTC)
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DanGe Wrote:
My head hurts after reading all that text!


My posts were never designed to be read by people under the age of 10 or the stupid.
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05/27/2005 06:00 AM (UTC)
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All I can say is, "Jesus Christ, this thread is full of people with egos far too big to confine to one country".

1Tru, I don't know you, so I won't judge you. Your a veteran of this site. You have a very good reputation. your known throughout the fighting world.

However, DAMn you can let some of the air out of that head man. I KNOW your good. We ALL know your good. but that post you just made, in response to DanGe? Was that called for, or necessary?

Christ man, your not the walking Jesus. Its a bunch of video games man, the guy just made a statement. There was no need to insult him, and put him down the way you did. That was just flat out, undeniably wrong.
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Kwizard
05/27/2005 08:23 PM (UTC)
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DID the GAME MAke it in?

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secondgen
05/27/2005 09:05 PM (UTC)
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We won't know until pre-registration starts.
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05/28/2005 09:15 PM (UTC)
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DooMsDaYoFNYC Wrote:
All I can say is, "Jesus Christ, this thread is full of people with egos far too big to confine to one country".

1Tru, I don't know you, so I won't judge you. Your a veteran of this site. You have a very good reputation. your known throughout the fighting world.

However, DAMn you can let some of the air out of that head man. I KNOW your good. We ALL know your good. but that post you just made, in response to DanGe? Was that called for, or necessary?

Christ man, your not the walking Jesus. Its a bunch of video games man, the guy just made a statement. There was no need to insult him, and put him down the way you did. That was just flat out, undeniably wrong.


My post had nothing to do with my skill at the game. It had nothing to do with my ego so why bring that up?

My posts were never designed to be read by stupid people or those under the age of 10 period. Give me another skull for it if you want but it's true. If his head hurt from reading that he's got some issues. I reread it and it was one of my more concise posts. I didn't bother with the quote box so the bolding made it much easier to read than the normal jumble you find in my posts.
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05/29/2005 04:45 AM (UTC)
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Are you going to Evo 1truking? We'll have to get some T5 games in before it starts.
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05/29/2005 03:44 PM (UTC)
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MENTHOL Wrote:
Are you going to Evo 1truking? We'll have to get some T5 games in before it starts.

Honestly not sure if I will. I just started a new job and don't know if they will give me the time off. If a couple of the money matches that I challenged people to were to actually happen I would for sure go.
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05/30/2005 04:40 PM (UTC)
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secondgen Wrote:
We won't know until pre-registration starts.


Thank you.


I might buy the Evo DVD quicker if MK Deception is being played.
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05/31/2005 02:38 PM (UTC)
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Pre-registration for EVO has started. Go to the EVO website for instructions on pre-registration and voting for which games you want in this year's touney. They are only going to accept the 2 games that get the most votes, so even if MKD gets the needed 100, and say another gets 101 and another gets 102, then Deception still will not make it.

If everyone here is truly serious about getting MK into EVO, you'd better start registering. It's up against some stiff competition.
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06/06/2005 03:12 AM (UTC)
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First off - Good players know how to get out of infinite combos or keep their challengers away from them at all times.

Second - People claiming MKD is a joke because of how bugged it is are just 13 year old whinny bitches who are pissed that the makers of Tekken havn't figured out how to program online play yet. Mkd has won best fighting game of the year and many other awards since Oct. and Tekken hasn't evolved for shit since Tekken 2.

Also, anyone who has the god damn time to come on here day in and and day out to claim Tekken is this and that has no life. Must be good to still be in junior high. Grow up kids.

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06/06/2005 03:58 AM (UTC)
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First off - Good players know how to get out of infinite combos or keep their challengers away from them at all times.


Considering an infinite combo is, well, infinite then how do you suppose people get out of them? Good players keep their challengers away from them at all times? What does that even mean? You do know that for the most part in order to actually win the fight you will have to get close sometimes right?

Pighut Wrote:
Second - People claiming MKD is a joke because of how bugged it is are just 13 year old whinny bitches who are pissed that the makers of Tekken havn't figured out how to program online play yet. Mkd has won best fighting game of the year and many other awards since Oct. and Tekken hasn't evolved for shit since Tekken 2.


I would venture to guess you didn't think that through so I won't be so harsh. Ah, you fell for it! HAHAHAHAHA! It's really amusing when you relate MKD's bugginess with Tekken not being online as if it's somehow a legit analogy. That's like me saying my car's faulty brakes aren't really a problem because Burger King still doesn't serve Lobster. See where I'm going with this? You know that Namco researched online play and deemed it impossible to implement with any accuracy because the game is far too frame sensitive? Probably not because you likely don't even understand the last sentence I just wrote. If I'm wrong then please, explain it to me. Ah, who am I kidding? To think that you'd actually answer a question or explain to me what "frame sensitive" means! Absurd!

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Also, anyone who has the god damn time to come on here day in and and day out to claim Tekken is this and that has no life. Must be good to still be in junior high. Grow up kids.

xbox name = pig of the hut


Heh, for someone who must be so much older than Junior High you really form an arguement like an eight year old. Don't take that as an insult though. I mean a very, very, very, very, very, very, very smart eight year old. You know, like a child prodigy after being hit on the head a few hundred times. But don't take that as an insult either. I absolutely mean it in the most respectful way possible. Tell you what? You know that thing that can be read by looking at the long and short hands on the round thing? I'll save you some of that. After all, you're probably very busy drawing a turkey using the outline of your hand. SOOOOO...(see what I just did there? I added "O"s to the end of the "S" to make the word longer. If a teacher ever asks for a three sentence essay, that will make it longer. Works everytime.). Anyway, so you won't have to, I'll respond to myself in your place as such:

Pighut Wrote:
TonyTheTiger Wrote:
...Total BS...

You know, Tony, you know nothing because you're a whiny 13 year old. You just bash MK because you hate it and not for any real reason at all. Tekken is old and bad because it's no different than the first game. The fifth game even has the same characters as the FIRST! WTF is that? If Tekken is better then prove it! Play me online! OH WAIT! YOU CAN'T! HAH! There's no reason for it not to be online and then you try to justify it by saying that frames mean something? Let me get this straight. You said that I can't compare MK to Tekken because it's a bad analogy but you can compare online play to picture frames and it's a good one! HAH AGAIN! Why do 13 year olds always try to act so mature. Go trade some YuGiOh! cards and stick to kid stuff ok? Because you really don't know what you're talking about.


OH! Is that right! I'm no 13 year old and even if I were (I didn't say "was" because that would be grammatically incorrect, betcha didn't know that) I would still be better at forming a rebuttal. Look at that mess. You didn't even read what I wrote properly. You didn't compare MK to Tekken. You compared MK's glitches to Tekken not having online play. That doesn't make sense and that is what I was making note of. And although frames can be used to keep pictures nice and spiffy that's not what I mean when I use the term. In case it ever comes up, it's probably not a good idea to start throwing around meaningless insults about someone's age. That's like me yelling that you can't play video games because you're probably 80 years old. It's pointless.

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TonyTheTiger Wrote:
...More BS...

Seriously. You must be 13 to make such a big deal about not being 13. I know what I read and wrote thank you very much. I can tell time and I no longer draw turkeys from my hand outline though if I did it would come out quite nicely. Forget it. There's no arguing with you. I'm not even going to continue this because either you're 13 or just stupid. I'm finished here and finished with you. Don't bother responding. I won't be reading it.

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06/06/2005 05:54 AM (UTC)
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"Go trade some YuGiOh! cards and stick to kid stuff ok? Because you really don't know what you're talking about."


BAHAHAHAHA The idea of MK, the easiest fucking fighting game out currently, being anything but "kid stuff", is LAUGHABLE. Tony destroyed your "argument" regardless so there's not much that needs to be added. Your comebacks are ass-backwards. WTF you don't make any sense. Go back to gamefaqs.
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And then thinking he meant picture frames LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL. Nevermind my gamefaqs comment. Stick around. You're hilarious.
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06/06/2005 04:40 PM (UTC)
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This kid doesn't even know the relevence of frames in a fighting game. Jesus fucking Christ.

Okay, it's like this.......

ah, fuck it. I was going to explain to him what frame advantage/disadvantage is, and then demonstrate how a fighting game that relies heavily on this concept will not currently work online because of the inherent lag, but I just now realized that would be a waste of my time. Yeah, I'm slow like that.
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06/06/2005 05:18 PM (UTC)
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I tend to not get into these arguments (even though they aren't arguments considering that TTT, 1TruKing, Menthol, etc. are constantly saying things that are true and have been proven true time and time again because they know what the fuck they are talking about.) anymore but...

Let me get this straight. You said that I can't compare MK to Tekken because it's a bad analogy but you can compare online play to picture frames and it's a good one!

Picture frames? That's just... Wow. I'd laugh but I'm just too stunned by the fact that someone would think TTT was talking about picture frames. Incredible...
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06/06/2005 07:40 PM (UTC)
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Let me get this straight. You said that I can't compare MK to Tekken because it's a bad analogy but you can compare online play to picture frames and it's a good one!

I have lost all faith in humanity...
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1TruKing
06/07/2005 03:35 AM (UTC)
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Pighut Wrote:
First off - Good players know how to get out of infinite combos or keep their challengers away from them at all times.

Second - People claiming MKD is a joke because of how bugged it is are just 13 year old whinny bitches who are pissed that the makers of Tekken havn't figured out how to program online play yet. Mkd has won best fighting game of the year and many other awards since Oct. and Tekken hasn't evolved for shit since Tekken 2.

Also, anyone who has the god damn time to come on here day in and and day out to claim Tekken is this and that has no life. Must be good to still be in junior high. Grow up kids.

xbox name = pig of the hut


in·fi·nite ( P ) Pronunciation Key (nf-nt)
adj.
Having no boundaries or limits.
Immeasurably great or large; boundless: infinite patience; a discovery of infinite importance.


As we see an infinite combo would be a combo with no limits to it. In other words it wouldn't end.

I realize from your other post that you are in fact my intellectual superior however I'm curious how you managed to get out of a combo without any boundaries or limits. I know I'm dumb but really why would they call an infinite combo infinite if it wasn't infinite? Wouldn't it just be a combo or possibly a finite combo?

Now your second part doesn't quite make sense either. We have myself being 29 stating that its a joke due to it's engine. I'm obviously not 13. MK did win an award but what exactly does that mean really? do you know how awards are done or even reviews?

The part that makes no sense to me is that it hasn't evolved since tekken 2. It developed a tag feature, it developed a different wall system than the other figthers with walls. It incorporated a side walk. It created multiple sidesteps(double/triple sidestep). It devoloped a movement system unlike any other fighter in wave dashing. It invented reversal counters. I dunno it seems to have evolved to me quite a bit. Oh by the way tekken 3 was playable online so you may want to do research before you post things like that. It sucked about as bad as any online fighter does.


Wow TTT got mad and owned somebody.
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06/07/2005 04:28 AM (UTC)
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Yes, indeed. I feel hurt. Owned. Troubled now I am. I will sick around, the reactions I'm getting are hilarious. Haha dorks.

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