There are over sixteen thousand registered members at this website.
Even if 75% of those people no longer visit this site, that's still four thousand members. On top of that, how many people do you think visit this site without joining? Thousands. Then, add to that the fact that this is not the only site advertising it. There are numerous other very large websites advertising the tournament, including the Evo site itself.

It is not unreasonable to ask 100 people, out of all those thousands, to register to play this game - many people will be going there anyway to compete in multiple games (Tekken, Street Fighter, etc). If it were that unreasonable to expect 100 people to show up, then this tournament wouldn't exist because nobody would show up to play the other games either. But they do.

Why are people jumping at the chance to compete in other games, but not MKD?



We're currently trying to change that, and raising awareness is becoming incresingly more successful the more we talk about it. We're educating 'the average player' so that they can learn to compete, thus giving us a better game by demand. A game that doesn't suck.



In the videogame world, a scrub IS a person who whines about a videogames cheapness and blames his losses on others. This is well known. It seems you are the one who's been living 'in a box'.

yea maybe cause i dont play games all day right?

That doesn't even make sense.

We're not here to try and prove people are geeks, or to prove how awesomely cool we are, we're here to try to make our favourite game great (or at least good). Why are you here?

I see Dirty-D is continuing his ignorance in this thread.

Most people who attend Evo sign up for not just one game,but maybe for another second game.People sign up for good,competitive games.Do you honestly think people will play a game that just comes down to 50/50 mix ups?MK already has a bad reputation among the competitive crowd.MK:D will not make things any better considering it's horrible.

And as for you,I've read your posts,and not just in this thread.You're a noob/scrub.Go educate yourself by studying other fighting games and how they work.Then you can come back and argue your point.And by the time you do that,you'll probably be agreeing with us.

You truly are ignorant. Most of the best top players in fighters barely play but a few hours a week. If even that. Why are top players good? Because they travel and play other players to raise their game. You don't need to play a lot to be great. That's just fucking stupid. But when you do get the time to play, make sure you play right and use what wins. Only use the best or don't play at all. In MKD, that means 50/50 infinite glitch fests. It takes absolutely no skill to win in that game. That's why MKD is a joke. It's garbage. There's no reason to play it because it takes no skill. Once you learn an infinite and the stupid glitches, there's nowhere to improve. Because those are the best strats in the game.

This playing for fun attitude you have means you are a scrub.

It won best fighting game because it had no competition. It wouldn't win if it was up against tekken 5. The next mk might win if it has no competition again but if it's up against tekken well I wouldn't bet on it.

Mk is not the greatest fighting game series period. It's sales numbers back that up. The fact it has little to no following outside the US backs that up. The fact it's never been in a major tournament backs that up. The fact that the majority of the people who want to see it there want it there so people can see how bad it is.

If you don't know what the other fighting games in the tournament are you really need to get out. Most people know what tekken is even if they don't play fighting games. As for mvc being gay it's actually one of the most successful fighting games in history. It wouldn't shock me if it made as much as streetfighter 2. As for playing spiderman how is that any different than playing subzero or scorpion or any character on any fighting game? While we are on the subject who in their right mind would play spiderman in a tournament.



Of course you won't. The truth is you know that you don't have a leg to stand on in your post and it will get torn apart so you throw that out. Blah blah blah I'm gonna run my mouth and say all kinds of stupid things and then I'm going to plug my ears and say I can't hear you cuz that really makes my statements carry more weight.



Anybody who posts here can tell you I was being rather nice. I've often found it difficult to be nice to people who I consider stupid thats just me.

As for the definition of scrub yep it's just what I said. There's another site that lists it as well. Quite a few fighting games have the design that you have to resort to the most effective strategy to win. On mvc 1 to beat a double war machine team you had to resort to a counter team either double warmachine somebody and capcom or strider warmachine. With a fairly effective strat that was still not 100% with hulk and chun li being possible options but not probable. For eddy to beat jin on tekken 3 he had to resort to repeated use of d4 to keep jin out and jin had to resort to attempting to d4 eddy back to beat him. Everygame has a "cheap" strategy or character and people will always use them and win with them and scrubs, like yourself, will always complain it's cheap because they are taking advantage of the system. How can you say bo's f3 is cheap? You know it's on the game right? You know the ways to avoid it right? Do you always lose when you fight a bo player? Again you are aware it's on the game right? So how can you call it cheap. YOU chose to play the game. You open yourself up to any and all strategies your opponent cares to use whether it be buffered TSD or f3 throw 60% combo or an infinite. You chose to play a broken game and you complain if somebody does something to you thats broken. This statement :

Obviously they aren't skilled enough to beat me without it. It's cheesy, cheap, and i'd say that person doing it is a scrub. By the way, you're definition of scrub is a little to detailed. It really just means a newbie or beginner. Why do you think all the youngest kids in high school are called scrubs?

Obviously you aren't as good as you think you are if you can't get around it. Is it effective? Yes. Does it 100% guarantee a win? Nope. There are counter strategies that will work but instead of using them you deem them cheap you limit your own gameplay and rationalize it by saying well if they didn't do f3 they wouldn't win. Guess what if you choose not to block and somebody beats you the same rationalization applys had they not attacked you wouldn't have lost. You can use that for all sorts of things thats why it's called the scrub mantra. If he didn't block so much if he didn't turtle so much if he didn't pitbull me so much if he didn't throw me so much if he didn't use so many low attacks if he didn't sidestep so much if he didn't blah blah blah blah blah. It's a rationalization and it's just sad. You chose to play the game you are calling other people cheap because they are playing they way they want to play. You're mad because you lose to this effective tactic on a broken game. Thats all you man nobody else. You're the scrub not them.

You think MK Land or Video Gameville has it's own detailed definition just because you've heard it used in that way before

You do realize I've been playing fighting games longer than you and I've traveled around the country playing in tournaments right? You do know that I was very well known in the community at one time right? You do know that this definition of scrub was established by the top people in the community and it's still in use. You see the scrubs took the word and applied it to newbies and beginers but thats not the real meaning. Most newbies are scrubs they do think things are cheap but often when a good player on one game plays a new game they don't complain about things being cheap because they are aware of how a fighting game works and realize that usually there is a way around it or to limit it and if nothing else they can use it back against the person. They are new to the game but they are not a scrub.


So what about the rest of the world?

4k units in europe in the first week. Just a FYI thats pathetic. Again tekken 5 70k unites 3 days on one system. Sorry it's sold less than a millon units worldwide too. Deal with it.

If the last MK game sold between 2-3 million, you guys have to realize that with the added bonus of online play and the better graphics and being the same price, MKD will meet these numbers.

If thats true then why didn't it meet those numbers in fact why did it fail to sell a million yet worldwide? The game is garbage people know it's garbage.




Read the article thats not what you thought it meant. Half the definition is about how scrubs call things cheap and it's far more detailed than the definition I put forth. The article is about YOU.




Well mkflegend says he's a top player on xbox and he refuses to play for money. Whats that say about it? 290 million in the us and less than half a million have the game it's not likely that the other 289.5 million people would even have a casual interest. So far it doesn't look like there will be enough people to sign up to get it into the tournament oh and signups are not here it's advertised at several sites.

The average player actually does care about the engine thats why games like tekken and mvc 2 are more successful. They have longer replay value are more entertaining and are far deeper.


The rest of your post was so poorly written I won't bother to comment on it. With grammar and sentence structure like that I'd say you're well on your way to becoming your definition of a scrub.



yet another scrub response.

See now you admit you don't know what the hell you are talking about yet expect to be taken seriously.

To back up what menthol said, I was one of the top tekken 3 players probably in the top 5 and for sure the top 10. I was a top tekken tag player for awhile too I finished 7th at the nationals so it's not a stretch to figure I was in the top 10 on that game as well. Anyway I typically spent 30 minutes a day playing and played roughly 5 days a week. So that works out to 2 1/2 hours not much time at all and that time I spent playing was usuing during a second job shift at lunch or slightly before my shift if I got there early. Not excessive not taking away from any other aspect of my life in anyway. Yet I still managed to be better than 99% of the people playing the game and quite a few who played significantly more than I. In part it was because I did travel and do tournaments in part it's because I'm very intelligent and figure out a games system so that I can maximize my play time. When I play those 30 minutes I'm working on new strategies I'm practicing juggles setups and oki even if i was forced to play against the computer I treated it like a human despite knowing it would block or avoid a particular set up I still went for that setup so I would train myself to do it without thinking.

So now I'm stupid? You can tell all that because I don't think MKD is a bad game and I'm defending it? I mean come on man. That's what I mean by you not being nice... For some reason you have to keep on throwing in the name calling... I don't agree with you just like a couple other people don't, but you don't see us calling you stupid or scrub.

I don't know how you are so sure you've been playing fighting games longer than me. I've been playing since the day MK1 came out. I pretty much stuck with the MK series and no i didn't travel the world to play in tournaments. I never claimed to play fighting games longer than you. I will say this though, I'm not sure who wrote that the best fighting game players only play a couple hours a week and they're great because they travel looking for opponents. Ummmmm RIGHT... LOL! That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.... I play on Live all the time and I talk to a lot of the best players in the xbox live section of this site. They're on allll the time. More than me... That's why they're good. Experience is the way to get better. LOL!!! Travelling looking for new opponents. Where the F do they go and who are they looking for?!? I know a lot of people and i've never taken someone to the airport because they were looking for some new video game competition! Much less known of anyone driving to a strangers place to get some good games in. If that's what you do, then I'll be morrrrrrrre than happy to keep my scrub title because the title someone like that earns in my book is wayyyyy worse. But then again, I guess those are probably the same people that read the boards and post thousand word essays like you do about games they hate! LOL... Talk about too much time... I don't even have a regular 9-5 job and you'll never see me on a tekken board. Man, if you really hate MKD so much, I will NEVER relate to why you would even be here, much less posting all your negative opinions about the game and trying to belittle all the people that do enjoy it. Between that and your name calling you just seem like a bad person to me. Doesn't make sense and I don't think you could ever explain yourself to me enough to justify your actions. You would have been better off keeping up your round the world fighting tournament schedule that used to make you "semi famous." LOL... Let me ask you this... Do you own MKD and Xbox live? I'd love to play you. Or do you conceide to the fact that I would beat you since you must not play at all since the game sucks so bad?

I will definitely be at EVO if they put MKD in it. So that's 99 people they need now. Also, I am curious what you'll say if/when 100 people do sign up for MKD at EVO? By your attitude thus far I'd say you'll probably just say something immature like "Wow I didn't think there were 100 stupid scrubs willing to do that... Idiots!"

-There are communities in each state for different games.On TZ you have a forum where you can discuss tournaments and encounters.Playing in your area may not offer you the best challenges;traveling and playing against other states will get you the improvements.Don't even mention online please.You got all kinds of idiots playing on there thinking they're good.Playing off-line and in arcades is the way to go.

-You can be playing a game for 10 years.There's a huge difference when you play a game competitively and when you play a game casually.

-Most of these people post here because they want MK to ge better and not laughed at.If you think 50/50 mix ups are fine.Good.Let other people speak out and let Boon implement the standards of a 3D fighting game to MK.

-If MK gets to be at Evo,that's fine with me.You,on the other hand,be prepared to get "cheesed" by random Bo Rai Cho,Dairou,N/S and Darrius scrubs.If people play for money,they will do everything to win,so with your type of mentality,you're pretty much screwed.

I appreciate your reply... I will say this though. I was just at the EVO site and the rules for MKD are already there. They won't allow those things. Check it out.

Mortal Kombat: Deception

Game version: US XBOX

Game Settings: Versus Mode, 2/3 Games, 2/3 Rounds, Death Traps On, Round Time 99 Seconds

Infininte Combos are banned (More than 1 rep of any set of moves)
One Free Throw per combo rule in effect
No coin betting or stage selecting during or before tournament play

Sorry,kid.BRC's f+3,Throw is legit according to this.To make it even worse on you,Darrius' 3, d/f+3, walk up, side step into a free throw is legit as well.My Dairou partial infinite combo works as well because it's not guaranteed when you eat the fireball.N/S shit is legit,too,except the infinite combos.

It seems to be that you don't even know the rules of the game.Who made these rules anyway?They're so broad.

I think the Bo thing will be allowed one time. Like it says, one free throw. If you do it more than once you're outtie. By the way, how old are you kiddo? LOL...

F+3,Throw is allowed as many times as you want.The thing they may ban is the guaranteed follow ups after the throw.Still,BRC doesn't need guaranteed damage after his throw.He can play an annoying mix up with f+3/Throw again and again and again.

Stop being a fanboy and realize that the game is broken,dude.

Dave, kiddo, I know the game is broken. Why you keep saying i don't know this is beyond me. Especially when i continually tell you i know this... Holy smokes boy, read!!! I said I know it's broken, but IF they don't allow glitches or infinites in the tourny, I don't see why it shouldn't be a fair game. Wow, i'd be better off telling my DVD collection my opinions, they might actually take in something.

You're not understanding that the infinites are not the only thing that breaks the game. If anything, the 50/50s are worse. They can ban infinites and glitches all they want but that doesn't stop it from being a guessing game once you get knocked down. You'll always eat damage if you make a bad guess. That's the real problem. There's no magic fix to that.

I totally agree Tony... But it's a 50/50 the other way too. They have a 50/50 against my attacks. So, how is that unfair for anyone? Glitches and infinites are something you can't really battle against. If 50/50's is what you don't like then this game is not for you. That's what this game is all about.

That's the problem. That is what this game is all about and it's not a good thing. It's like saying "well, if you don't like bad brakes then stop driving this car. That's what this car is all about and I love it!"

The problem with 50/50s is not that it gives one player an unfair advantage. The problem is that it's 100% random who will win. In other words, the better player doesn't always win (which in a fighting game is kinda the point). It's as random as rock, paper, scissors. If you guess wrong, you lose the match. If I guess wrong, I lose the match. Where's the "good" in that? What's the point of playing if the game doesn't reward the better player? The way it stands, the winner is only the guy who guessed right more times, hence, completely random. So why not just put money on rock, paper, scissors? The result will be the same. There's no real defending the 50/50s. Preventing randomness in a fighting game is as important as being able to stop in a car. A lot of people don't understand how 50/50s can make the game random but trust us when we say it does. I don't see how someone can say they prefer randomness in the game unless they blindly just don't want to admit it's bad.

Of course you aren't calling me stupid or a scrub. I'm clearly not stupid and I'm far from a scrub. I've never complained about something being cheap on any fighting game. Again why should I be nice read your own posts. You don't know what you're talking about.

I've been playing since street fighter 2 came out which was before MK 1. I've long since learned that nothing is cheap in a fighting games. Nobody who's been playing since SF 2 still thinks things are cheap.

Gotta love this:

I will say this though, I'm not sure who wrote that the best fighting game players only play a couple hours a week and they're great because they travel looking for opponents. Ummmmm RIGHT... LOL! That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.... I play on Live all the time and I talk to a lot of the best players in the xbox live section of this site.

Now if you read my post I already countered this poor attempt at a counter with this:

To back up what menthol said, I was one of the top tekken 3 players probably in the top 5 and for sure the top 10. I was a top tekken tag player for awhile too I finished 7th at the nationals so it's not a stretch to figure I was in the top 10 on that game as well. Anyway I typically spent 30 minutes a day playing and played roughly 5 days a week. So that works out to 2 1/2 hours not much time at all and that time I spent playing was usuing during a second job shift at lunch or slightly before my shift if I got there early. Not excessive not taking away from any other aspect of my life in anyway. Yet I still managed to be better than 99% of the people playing the game and quite a few who played significantly more than I. In part it was because I did travel and do tournaments in part it's because I'm very intelligent and figure out a games system so that I can maximize my play time

See notice I was one of the best tekken 3 players in the country and I played roughly 2.5 hours a week total. You should try reading posts before you make comments like that. Oh and using deception as an example of quality players isn't a good idea. The gameplay is so simplistic you can learn and maximize your potential very quickly.

with comments like this:
I know a lot of people and i've never taken someone to the airport because they were looking for some new video game competition

How can you argue that you aren't stupid? Lets see here. A tournament happens in vegas you've got some vacation time coming up so you hit up vegas and play in the tournament. You're still in vegas you're still on vacation you're still having fun and you've got more reasons to be there. I also like how you start off talking about how you aren't insulting but put in a few poorly veiled insults. You are such a typical scrub. You get owned on your statements and you come back with the no life comment and if you don't like the game why are you here blah blah blah crap. Get a clue. This is a mortal kombat site for discussion of mortal kombat both good and bad. It is an established fact that deception was bad and I personally would rather play a good fighting game thats why I'm here.

Anyway they aren't opinions I speak in facts you're the one tossing the opinions around. As far as me belittling you quit making it so patheticaly easy. quit whining about it and taking veiled shots quit fucking up period. I point out when you screw up and you cry.

If I'm a bad person so are you. It's cute when people get caught in hypocrisy.

Of course I couldn't explain myself enough to you. You can barely understand whats written in posts as is let alone something as complex as my personality.

As for you beating me I highly doubt you would. No I don't own an xbox however if you want to put money on playing me we could do that and I'm sure dave would be happy to give me a nice crash course in dairou and yayo would be more than happy to give me a crash course in bo and well I really don't need much to know how to play smoke. Tell you what lets play for money on tekken 5 and on deception.

I will definitely be at EVO if they put MKD in it. So that's 99 people they need now. Also, I am curious what you'll say if/when 100 people do sign up for MKD at EVO? By your attitude thus far I'd say you'll probably just say something immature like "Wow I didn't think there were 100 stupid scrubs willing to do that... Idiots!"

You're one to talk about maturity. Anyway if you ever learn to read you would already know what I'd say and it wouldn't have scrubs in it. If it makes it in most likely it will be one by usmc ogre JOP or tombrady despite them not playing for months and saying the game is a worthless piece of crap. The game will be laughed at by players from around the world and hopefully midway will realize what a piece of crap they put out and fix it.

I also wanted to comment on your attempt to belittle myself and others who travel for tournaments but flat out say you are willing to do it. Yep you're a smart one alright.



Bo only gets one free throw per combo anyway. Either way it's what you were complaining about not being able to beat. He does f3 throw waits for you to start to rise and mixes up f3 and throw again or any number of things. He's still just as effective without the glitch combo followup.



There you go again telling others to read when you have such issues with it yourself. you don't see why it wouldn't be "fair" and you wonder why people call you a scrub or think you are lacking in the intellect dept.



Yep they got a 50/50 chance but then again some characters have much better and 100% safe 50/50 mixups. By your logic it's fair when glitches and infites are used as well because everybody can do them.

You don't know the game is broken.You think that infinite combos and glitches are MK:D's only problem.They are not.Please read Tony's post and understand it.

All your ignorance and scrubbiness comes from the fact that you don't play other better fighting games,so you think that everything in MK:D is standard.Pick up Tekken 5 or Virtua Fighter and study their engines and inform yourself.Don't judge the characters,or the story,or whatever.Just judge the engine and study it.You need to understand how other better fighters play and what kind of gameplay elements they have that MK:D doesn't have.That's the best way you will understand it.

I just realised how fitting it is for MKD, a game of chance, to be played (or not) in Vegas.
Hope everybody has their gambling hats on!



It works the other way around.
MKD will only be at Evo if you decide to show up. Less than 100 people signed up and willing to go, and it won't even be played, so as soon registration starts then that's your cue.

Man you're writing a book at a time. I'll address this first. Calling me stupid is just not nice dude. I mean I'm not going to say I think you're stupid even if some of the things you're saying make me think you are. It's just immature. I will give you this, i don't play these other games and I cannot stand here and compare them. So, they may have better engines. But me defending this game and saying I love it and that if glitches and infinites are not allowed should not be something that you should insult my intelligence over. If I'm wrong, that may mean I'm ignorant to these other games, but if you notice the other guys on your side are having a respectable debate and not insulting my intelligence. Why you have to go there is beyond me. If you think I am belittling you by some of the things I'm saying, believe me, if I didn't receive "stupid" and "scrub" 3 times from you already, I would be a heck of a lot more respectful back. When it comes to people wanting to go to vegas and play in a tournament, YES, that happens all the time, but if you think that is where they acquired their skills rather than hours and hours playing at home, I think you're the ignorant one. I still don't understand why someone that hates this game so much visits it's boards so regularly? Do you visit boards about wedding photography and how to use Sony Acid Pro 5 even though those maybe things you don't even like? Or is it just to look for people that you find stupid so you can let them have it, call them names, and make yourself feel better? I was not dissing people that go to tournaments. I meant that they don't get as good as they are by doing it. I live in LA so Vegas is a once every few months trip for me. I would love to be in EVO. I've never played Tekken 5 and I really don't want to, but if you'd like to play me at MKD, I'd be more than happy to play this game of chance with ya. I do disagree with the 50/50 thing being a game of chance and only a game of chance. If that was the case, no one would be better than anyone else. I play the best people I can and they are always better than me or worse. I don't just walk up to people and 50/50 them everytime. There's more to the game then that. Trying to execute a special move when you think you're at the right range and learning when they will let go of the block button to do so. Also, most people develope patterns and no one is really truely random, so that helps you decide what to do and how to block. Anyway, I appreciate you guys explaining to me about the other engines and how they are superior... I honestly never really got into them. I was just saying i enjoy the game and if it's at EVO i'll love to go. Also that if glitches and infinites are gone i think it will be more fair (Yes i said fair at the beginning) and won't be that big of a thing. If i'm wrong, I'm wrong... But if I'm right, I promise I won't come back here and call any of you STUPID...

Jesus christ....did this game actually make it in?

I think I'll save my vacation time for around Xmas rather than visit vegas this year.

i dont think u guys undersand my point of view, i like mkd whether or not the 50/50 fight engine is garbage, i like it because life isnt fair so why should this video game be, let the more dominant person always win by the cheapest way, im game. As of baseball look at the yankees no salary cap, biggest budget richest owner in the league, do u see people complaining that its not fair boohoo the world is gonna end, who cares yea maybe the next mk will be better but until now this is gonna do and what ever it takes for me to win some bread in the only game im willing to spend time to play is gonna due u see? my bad for coming across as a fuckface but dawg i can give a shit less about another fighting games engine cause its better the one im stickin to is this because thats the way i am dont like it tough i dont care if u can prove that the game flat out sux the point is some people will always stand by what they know and give a shit less about what others tell them, i understand your point of view so listento mine, i can give a shit less about 50/50 to win thats the way i like fighting games not 33.3/33.3/33.3 or some other ratio i could care less if someone cheaps me good for them, but next tme we play they get a fuckin fist of cheeze times 10, u see what im sayin, thats why i like mkd. do u understand or are u just stupid to accept that people are different and like different things. plus some people where never raised our arcades or any other games such as tekken so they do not wanna broaden there horizon jsut stickin to what they think is best. get it if not tough. and seriously calling me a scrub cmon because based on my opnion that mkd is my game of choice is ridiculous thats like saying your a scrub for the type of music or clothes u listen to, see my point now?

Listen, we understand your point of view (about as much as we're going to), but we think it's ridiculous because there's no rhyme or reason to your logic. You seem to be grasping at straws and trying to justify something that's bad for no reason. You WANT to ignore everything wrong with the game, so how are we supposed to treat your one sided point of view as anything other than rubbish?



Life isn't fair so why should this videogame be? You're really grasping for straws now. So you'd like if I ran up behind you while you were walking down the street and snached your money, because life isn't fair? Yeah, life isn't fair, nothing should ever be fair, yay!

This videogame should be fair because that's the freakin' point of it.
What's the point in winning an unfair game? Does it give you satisfaction to easily beat somebody who was never a challenge to you? Why not just unplug their controller altogether? Who cares if it's unfair, unfair advantage is great, right?

The main point of a fighting game is to detirmine a winner based on some level of superior skill. This gets thrown out the window when one person has a hugely unfair advantage (such as Bo vs Kenshi), and the whole point of the game goes with it.

Aside from that, people play videogames to get away from reality and relax, not get pissed all over like they do every day in their shitty jobs or whatever it is they do. To quote Ed Boon - "Nobody wants to pay for reality".



But that's the problem, there is no more dominant person because of the huge guessing games. You could have played the game for 7 years, and get beat by somebody who has only been playing for 15 minutes because it's all about 50/50 mixups. It's exactly the same as flipping a coin with somebody to find out who's more skilled at coin flipping.

I couldn't make head of tail of the rest of your post, but we're not saying that you can't have fun with MKD, we're simply saying it's not good, and that people need to realise it's not good so that we can demand a better game next time. It's no good saying "MKD was shit but I liked it", because we'll just end up with more of the same sort of gameplay in the next game.

Two quick points.

1) Look, playing day and night does nothing. A fighting game player can be good playing 20-30 minutes a day (just an average). It's how you utilize the time you're playing. You can play 20 hours a day but if you're not playing right, it's all for nothing.

2) Online play really means jack shit. No Street Fighter 3 player will ever claim to be the best because of their online record or because they win online. Skill will always be determined in real life tournaments. It's easy to sit in the privacy in your home beating people online. But when money's on the line and there's people breathing down your neck watching you play, it's a whole different story. Tournament play is a whole other beast than casual play. Even online play is hard to consider casual play because there's factors you have to consider in online play that would never happen in real life play. In other words, ONLINE PLAY IS NOT SERIOUS.

Then let's play Menthol... I think you guys have some valid points, but if you think you're going to convince me that people that play 20 minutes a day are going to beat the people that play 3 hours a day (When they have similar skill level capabilities) i think that's crazy... I play a lot (Off an on) and I am so much better now than when I was 2 months ago even. The more you play, the more you see, the more you can learn and adapt to other players fighting styles. I've played people with 10,000+ wins... ONLINE... You're saying some guy that plays offline 10 minutes a day would just walk in and beat him? Why are you guys arguing about everything possible? I think if I said I like playing in my bedroom you guys would have facts about people playing in the living room having superior skills over bedroom players. This is just getting ridiculous. It's not like they have tournaments every week so that these guys can get so great by going to them. It's funny how we're on an MK board and I'm sitting here arguing with a bunch of people that apparently don't own the game and are not willing to play me so we can settle some of these claims the real way. If you really think online players suck, which i am one, I beg you, play me. Get an xbox with some of your tekken 5 prize money and play me. I want to see what a tournament classed player is like to battle against. If not, then I guess all you guys can do is copy what we're saying, paste it, diss us, call us names, and ACT superior.