Why? What good would that do?

People eventually had to start agreeing with Galileo. It has been proven without a doubt that MK:D has about as many infinites as characters, glitches and bugs galore, and a rediculous 50/50 game just the same as it has been proven without a doubt that the Earth revolves around the sun.

damn, just damn......

It's a way to play the top players and get some real respect with everybody on equal ground unlike trying to play a fighting game online where natural lag and internet connection can both play a role.



I'm honestly not sure if this post was sarcastic or if you actually believe what you wrote. I'm going to assume it's sarcastic and funny since there's no way you could believe what you've written.



It's funny mkflegend keeps telling me that the x box players are far superior to the ps2 players and all the ps2 players are coming over to x-box. Guess I was right after all.



As TTT said it's still a broken game even with no infinites or glitches. It still has no wakeup game it still has 50/50 mixups it still has unbalanced special moves it still has universal tracking it still has pathetic frame advantage.



As tony and myself, among others, have said numerous times opinions can be wrong. In this case your opinion is wrong.

Take a look at deception and see whats banned now look at the other fighting games there and see whats banned. You'll notice the banned lists are more or less nonexistant. MVC2 even allows infinites because they don't even come close to breaking the game. That should tell you all you need to right there. I believe the only thing banned for mvc2 is the gambit glitch.

Why is MKD a good fighting game. Well let's see...
1. This game has sold millions of copies... It put Midway back on the map and that's a fact. People don't go out and buy that many copies of a game that stinks.
2. I have over 5,000 games played on live, close to 6K. I don't cherry pick who i play. I play the best I can. I can honestly say this right now, and if anyone on this board disagrees or thinks I'm wrong, please do reply. I have NEVER in all 6000 games i've played, been the victim of an infinite. Now, that's not to say that I have not been glitched. I have been. I think the Bo Rai Cho move is cheap. I think that some of the things Noob Smoke is capable of are cheap. But these things have never killed me infinitely without me being able to do anything about it what so ever. I am not saying that there are no such things as infinites, but I am saying that I do believe you have to be pretty unskilled or ignorant to get caught by them. I only say this because it's never happened to me once in that many games. Lucky? Maybe, but I doubt it. People look for things to complain about, and just because an infinite may be possible, it's not probable or likely. If anyone thinks they can easily infinite me, please IM me and we will schedule a game ASAP.
3. There aren't as someone said "As many glitches as there are characters" so stop exagerrating so much people... There's a few, and they RARELY happen.
4. If these things are not allowed in the tournament, then i don't see what the problem is still.
5. Personally, I don't like fighting games without a block button and without fatalities. That's why i never got very involved in the street fighter and similar series. That's just my preference and others will differ obviously.

Hey, I love this game and if someone is going to be cheap because they can't play fairly and just don't have the skills to win without a glitchy character, they'll be losers at the tournament that does not allow glitches or infinites. Problem solved. I don't see why everyone is so negative on this game. Also, why are you reading so indepthly on a Mortal Kombat board if you hate the game so much?? You don't see me reading about Street Fighter and games I don't like. I think you must like it to some degree or you would not be reading all these things on MKO. Or you just have A LOT of extra time on your hands or like to annoy people that actually enjoy things like this. I don't get it...

Another scrub...here we go...

1.Yes,they do.People buy crap like MK:D because they don't know that they are ANY infinite combos.Did you know that this game had any infinite combos when you bought it?Probably not.Discovering some of those infinite combos takes time playing the game and testing.Most casual gamers aren't ready to do that.Playing Konquest and analyzing Scorpion's story line will NOT educate you as far as the engine of the fighting game is concerned.Also,most casual don't even know the standards for a 3D fighting game.$100 say you don't know what a frame,wake-up,Oki,tech catch,just frame,throw break,etc. is and how it works in a well-designed fighting game.

2.You can play millions of games and think you play the best.The fact is X-Box has an inferior competition than PS2.Also,don't tell me you've never been infinited before with let's say Smoke's d+1,Throw corner infinite combo.It almost happens to me daily on the PS2,but it's rare now since most good players will not infinite you and PS2 online doesn't get any more players as MK:D is fairly old.

Unskilled to be caught in an infinite combo in MK:D?Funniest thing I've ever heard.Most infinite combos can be done from a fucking unbreakable throw.I gotta ask you,how good are you at this game anyway?

You want to be infinited?OK.What's your X-Box live handle?I'll talk to Doomsday,Redsaleen,MKF,etc. and I'm sure they'll do you that favor.

3.There's more infinite combos than characters in MK:D.I'll list them all for you to make you look stupid if I need to.

4.In tournaments,infinite combos will be banned.You end up with 50/50 mix ups,which is as exciting to play as rock/paper/scissors.Games like Tekken have been in numerous tournaments already;MK:D might have been in one.That's all.It sucks.No one wants to play it.

5.Fatalities and block buttons don't add to the game's engine much at all,especially the former.

Oh man... lmao

M2Dave, I don't see why you have to call me scrub etc... I don't see why you have to say "i can make you look stupid and get one of these guys to show you..." I never said there weren't infinites. I said I've never been infinted and after 6000 games, if it's that big of a problem out there like you're saying, then i'm very surprised it hasn't happened to me yet. I'm not one of these guys that is coming on here to fight with you. I realize that most guys that play these fighting games probably have too much testosterone an might not be handle a civil conversation, but can't you at least try? Re-read what i wrote and show me where i said infinites DO NOT exist. I was merely stating that it's not as big of a problem as people make it out to be in this section. I love MKD and i like fatalities and a block button. Might not be the best engine but it's the most entertaining to me and many others. I'll gladly carry this discussion on with you, but if you're just in it for laughs and seeing who can call names better, i'd rather talk about it with someone else. Let me know. My handle is KlLLER B and I want to see someone infinite me, so i can see just how hard it is to avoid getting it done to me. Not that it matters because they aren't even allowed at the tourney i was discussing anyway.

1. Uh no thats actually wrong. Deception hasn't sold millions of copies it hasn't even sold 1 million copies. Look closely and the only thing close to saying that is it SHIPPED 1 million. Big difference between shipping and sellling however. As for it putting midway on the map again. Nope wrong there as well midway reported a LOSS for last year not a gain. Sorry but midway isn't on any maps. Ray posted the numbers at one point 200k units for ps2 200k units for xbox and 20k unitis for gamecube sold. This was over the 5 months it was out. compare this to tekken 5 which did 70k units in 3 days.

2. K you got over 5000k games played how does that make MK:D good? So because you've never been hit by an infinite you must suck to be hit by them. You know any time you've ever been thrown by noob/smoke you could have been infinited. Have you ever been thrown by smoke? You know anytime you get launched by smoek you can be infinited. Have you ever been launched by smoke? Yeah thought so. So how exactly does this make MK:D a good game? Hell you even said moves are cheap. It's a fact if there is something on a game that qualifies as cheap then it's broken. Deception isn't like mvc2 where you can ban the gambit glitch and it's fine it lacks things to make it good.

3.Actually the person said as many infites as there are characters and he's right there are more infinites than there are characters. There are several and they quite often happen. You know f3 into throw with bo thats a glitch. You know throws that allow combo's after them those are glitches. You know universal tracking? Thats a glitch. you know sidestep resetting move timers allowing several uses of the tombstone? Thats a glitch. You claim to have played over 5k games yet you know so little. So what does this have to do with MK:D being good?

4. The issue is they shouldn't be in the game in the first place. The issue is that removal of ininites and glitches still doesn't make it a good game. The issue is no other game has banned infinites. The issue is it's laughable. So again what does this have to do with MK:D being good?

5.fatalities add absolutely nothing to the gameplay. If you like a block button thats fine however neither of those things has anything to do with it being a good game.

The odds are that the game will be won by a player who hates it. The top players always disliked it. Regardless of the banned things it doesnt fix the game.

Oh and FYI cheap is a term scrubs use. It's used when they can't figure out how to get around a tactic on a game. It is simply a concept and has no basis in fighting games. Sorry but deception is broken this is illustrated by the amount of things people call cheap.



Of course you don't see why he has to call you a scrub. You're a scrub. Look at your post you complain about things being cheap you say that you've never been infinited and you have to suck to ever be in one. You said that the game was good for gods sake that alone is enough. You couldn't even read what tony said to you. You thought he said there were mor glitches than characters despite it being plainly written that there are more infinites than characters.

It's funny you tell him to reread when your own inability to read caused the comment in the first place.

Uh I'd say the majority who are fans wouldn't say it was the most entertaining engine even if they do like it.

Your stating it's not as big a problem as people make it out further proof of your scrub status.

I promise I'll keep it civil as long as you use your common sense and your brain.

I know that you did NOT say that infinite did not exist,but you said that they are rare,which as bad as saying that they do not exist.They are at least 20 infinite combos in the game;seven or more of which N/S has.All the infinite combos are mostly possible to execute during a real high level play match.Some of them are so bad that they spoil gameplay and make MK:D a pure joke.I'm not here to flame you but your ignorance and poor competition is not an excuse to post inaccurate facts about the game.

And before you bring it up as hundreds of other people already have - yes,other fighting games have infinite combos (Tekken 4,Tekken 5,MvC2,etc.).But they are either situational or require precise timings in order to be completed.MK:D just is not one of those games.Smoke's d+1,Throw corner infinite is the best example.Every idiot can do this,not every idiot can do the MvC2 Magneto infinite combo for a reason.

And even without infinite combos the game is still awful.50/50 mix ups are not standard for a good 3D fighting game.Everybody can do it.It's not a matter of skill but assumption,and once a game comes down to that it's boring and no one will play it.Why do you think some other fighters have been played for years on Evo while MK:DA/MK:D maybe had one tourney at best?

First thing... I've done a little research and every single article on the net that says it "shipped" 1 million copies was from 2004 right when it came out. As a matter of fact this article says it shipped 1 million copies the first week! http://addict3d.org/index.php?page=viewarticle&type;=news&ID;=3391 You don't think the stores sold out since then? WRONG. There are no articles out right now that are current (That i've found) stating that sales just haulted after that, or that they didn't ship any units after their initial shipment. Highly unlikely and if you have proof, let's see it... I read in a magazine that Deception totally pulled them out of their financial troubles. Deadly Alliance sould between 2-3 million copies... If you don't think Deception has/will, you're nuts!
So, maybe you're not so UN-scrubish yourself with all of your knowledge either.
Secondly... Here's a little snippit of Midways earnings. Read the entire thing and see why they made way more money this last year than the year prior... All because of MK Deception and 2 other games. I bet the majority of the help was from MKD. It might not have made them profitable, but it sure did make them a lot less in the red than the year prior. http://www.gameinfowire.com/news.asp?nid=5883

Now that the facts are set straight up about the sales/financials, alright guys, I believe that there are LOTS of infinites. You seem passionate about it enough. Although after your facts about Midway's revenues i don't know what to really believe. TruKing though, you could be a little nicer too man. So i said glitch instead of infinite, I'm sorry I used the wrong word! LOL... Wow... So you have to belittle me because of my experiences with the game? How many games do you have? Let's play and then we'll see who the scrub is. I'm not trying to be a jerk. If i'm coming off like one, i apologize. I don't think I'm a scrub because I haven't been infinited or haven't ever seen it happen... Is that my fault after 6000 games?!? Should i assume it's as common as you're saying when i've played so much and have never seen it? Would you if you were me? I've played some great players too. I play people with the best records possible. Maybe it's the way I play. I avoid being thrown a lot, so that may help me out. Yes i've been thrown by smoke, and if everytime i'm thrown by smoke they are capable of an infinite, i must be playing a lot of scrubs, or very lucky, or I'm playing people that don't use infinites... What can I say? Like I said, I don't doubt that there are infinites, but i do doubt that they're as easy as you make them seem. I think I may have had someone attempt it once with Smoke. He kept dazing me somehow and then doing a jump kick on me, but he kept messing up and i won. Is that an infinite attempt? That's as close as anyone has come. Well, i think we should play since you 2 aren't scrubs, just tell me your live handles and i'll add you if you'd like to show me how this game is played. If not, there's no sense in calling each other anymore names. I like the game and so do a lot of other people. It won fighting game of the year too! You guys just need to hate something it seems.

It took some time to find this but read through this page here to see where we got our data. It comes first hand from RayRokka who's a former Midway employee and actually worked on Deadly Alliance. That's gotta count for something.



Well, you're pretty much doing the same thing you accuse us of. So far you've just made conjecture without anything to back up your numbers. Who knows if the stores sold out or not? Nobody here is pretending to know the precise numbers. We're just reporting what we've been told from a reputable source. Besides, most of the time news reports don't mention when sales for a product cease or slow down. Otherwise you'd be innundated with "GTA: SA sells far less than it did last month!", "Nobody is buying Mario Sunshine anymore!", "Super Mario Bros. 3 sales dropping since 1990!" So even if Deception stopped selling completely after the second week nobody would know except Midway and maybe some major retail chains.


Nobody is saying that Deception didn't sell well enough to make Midway a pretty penny. It's just that the claims that Deception is selling in the millions is debatable at best.



If you were ever thrown by a number of characters you could have been caught in an infinite, yes. Those awards that were given were done by people who were unfamiliar with the infinites and glitches in the game. I guarantee if they knew about it things would have been different. Problem is, press people don't like to correct themselves. So if they eventually find out that a game they gave a 9.0 to turns out to be chock full of problems, they'll never print a retraction or correction. Basically they'll either pretend nothing happened or jump on the bandwagon years later and convieniently forget about the score they gave. I don't know why they do it but it must have something to do with not letting people know they aren't 100% accurate. I don't have XBox Live but I'm sure there must be someone who can demonstrate even a handful of the infinites. You'll see how really easy they can be done (especially the online only ones). You're talking two to three moves, rinse, repeat, with very little setup or timing required. I wish Konqrr's site still worked because then you could just watch some of the vids.

Uh sorr you're wrong. First off you are correct it shipped 1 million initially. It didn't sell 1 million. You do realize that they don't ship to stores right? So the stores very well could have sold out but the actual companies and warehouses where the games are shipped did not. Ray posted the numbers he was given by midway they have yet to sell 1 million copies. Actually it is very likely it happens quite often too. You howerever can't find proof that they sold 1 million let alone they sold out only that they shipped yet you can find information about other games reaching the million selling mark. According to ray who worked for them they haven't sold 1 million I consider him a reliable source not to mention midway's own financial report states they had a loss for 04. Regardless of whether they made more they still lost money. I'm not sure what your idea of a good busniess is but where i'm from the goal is to make more money than you spend. Midway sure is a great company....

Why should I be nicer when you can't even come close to backing up your statements. You even used my sources to attempt to counter my statement. Sorry not going to be nice to you when you are so obviously clueless.

You READ the word wrong then had the nerve to say others need to read better. That makes you not only a scrub but a hypocrite. Hell you can't even get it right when you're apologizing for your own fuck up.

You don't think you're a scrub yet you call things cheap. THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF A SCRUB. THERE IS NOTHING CHEAP IN FIGHTING GAMES PERIOD. IF YOU THINK SOMETHING IS CHEAP YOU ARE IN FACT A SCRUB.

Being infinited doesn't mean you aren't a scrub but according to your definition if you ever get hit with one you are one. You may have never played anybody who uses infinites or maybe you're a liar hard to say.

why should I play you on a game that is broken to hell and not worth my time playing? The game is broken it's a fact I don't play broken games. Play me on tekken 5 if you'd like and I can guarantee i'll hand your ass to you. Play me on third strike and I'll probably beat you there too.

Well considering the number of posts on this board alone regarding infinites and glitches and the brokenness of the game including a very large post stickied at the top I think it's safe to say I would believe it despite not seeing it. The fact is if you get thrown by smoke you can lose the game even with full life if that player chooses to infitte you then you lose. There's no escape you don't need to be in the corner anywhere on the damn screen you will get infinited.

You doubt they are as easy as I make them seem. Hmm throw, smokecuty, stars, d1,b1 throw smokecut stars d1,b1 throw yep it sure looks hard to do. How about d1 throw d1 throw yeah that sure looks hard. Ok take a look at the infinites and look at your statment now tell me why people think you're a scrub. If you think those are hard you shouldn't be playing fighting games.

Wow it won fighting game of the year it was up against what quality fighters last year? A remake of doa 2? A remake of SF2 and third strike? Budokai 3? A remake of guilty gear xx? Not exactly stiff competition. You actually think it would have had a shot in hell if tekken 5 were part of the options? Keep in mind tekken 5 in 3 days did nearly 1/4 deceptions total sales before you answer that question.

I'm not even going to get into the sales aspects.MK:D can sell 10 millions of games,and it still would not make a difference.The game is terrible.That's all.Most casual gamers do not even know what makes a good fighting game,so what's your point?Good sales =/= good fighting game necessarily.Take my word for it.

Oh,man,I sure would love to play you,but I don't own an X-Box.In any case,MOST good players will not infinite you because it ruins competition and makes the game boring.I'll arrange a match between you and Doomsday if you want.I'm sure he'll do me that favor and show you what a joke MK:D really is.

mkd did win best fighting game of the year, and when the next one comes out it will win it also, mk is not the greatest fighting game series ever for no reason i think the game is fun so i dont give a shit what yall think just end it, if people want it in the tournament than it will be in the tournament u dont see me trashing other games in the tournament becuase i dont know what the fuck they are besides marvel vs. capcom which was so fuckin gay.
cmon lets see playing spider man in a fighting game get real, m2dave besides the only person u play with is dariou how would u even know what u are talking about.

try flaming me, i honestly will not listen to a letter u type so dont waste your time, on a 10 page essay just dont do it.

Who gave it that award? Why did they give it that award? Why are they credible? What makes them right?



No.

Anyway, as for Evo, i'm having serious doubts about it making the cut (moreso than before). Of all the posts in this thread, how many people have actually put up their hand and said they'd go? This thread has been here for weeks and we probably still don't even have 10 players willing to go. This game supposedly sold a million copies, and we can't even find 100 bloody people that want to play the wretched thing. That in itself speaks volumes, I think, but it sucks because this stuff needs to get noticed more.

What does Spider-man being in a game have to do with how good it is? It's not even like the biggest stretch. Superheroes fight for the most part.

Heh, I don't think Thanos is someone who will listen to reason over a cup of coffee.

You never know...

Why should I be nicer when you can't even come close to backing up your statements. You even used my sources to attempt to counter my statement. Sorry not going to be nice to you when you are so obviously clueless.

1Truking... Hello?!? Are you really asking this??? Just because you disagree with me does not mean you shouldn't be nice! LOL. I don't disagree with anything you're saying but I'm not going to start calling you names or belittling you. It's cool, you're probably just young and don't really care about anyone but yourself at this point. However... You think someone that calls "anything" in a game cheap is a scrub?!? That's the definition? Then yes, i'm a scrub. If people are going to intentionally learn a glitch (Which i agree is Midways fault for not testing the games long enough and thoroughly enough) that makes him have an unfair advantage and make his opponent resort to such trash as well or lose as his only 2 choices, then I'm sorry, I'm going to say it's cheap. How could you not say the Bo f3 is cheap? I mean when I play people I win. Then they resort to this move which is the easiest thing in the world to do and I no longer win. Obviously they aren't skilled enough to beat me without it. It's cheesy, cheap, and i'd say that person doing it is a scrub. By the way, you're definition of scrub is a little to detailed. It really just means a newbie or beginner. Why do you think all the youngest kids in high school are called scrubs? You think MK Land or Video Gameville has it's own detailed definition just because you've heard it used in that way before? Anyway, as you guys have said, none of us have proof about the exact numbers of MK, so you can't be any more accusing at me than i am at you. Many of the articles i read (from 2004) said those 1 million shipped were to North America... So what about the rest of the world? Also, someone was saying that the people that voted it best fighting game of the year were the players that were ignorant of all these infinites and glitches. Great, there are plenty of people that will never experience them, like I, and that's why MKD sells so many copies. If the last MK game sold between 2-3 million, you guys have to realize that with the added bonus of online play and the better graphics and being the same price, MKD will meet these numbers. When I play on live I CONSTANTLY get people with records of 1-4 and 0-0 and 12-3 playing and they say don't beat me too bad i just got the game. It's still selling and it's such a great game, i think it will continue to.
P.S. My thanks to everyone else in this lilttle debate that kept it civil, makes it a lot nicer to discuss our opinions...

Actually, the definition of a scrub is right here.

Exactly... That's what i figured it meant.

About mkd making the cut, there are so many more people that play mkd and love it than just the people on this website alone, do u think every fan of mortal kombat deception and every person willing to register stating that they will be at the tournament, has ever even seen this website? there are 290 million people in the u.s.a alone and u dont think 100 people would want to go to a tournament for a chance to win some bread. think outside the box the average person could give a shit less about some fighting game engine, and by the way im not average player in mkd, the faact is theve played it, they like it, and they want to have a chance to make some money in a tournament, and have fun at the same time,and shit its in las vegas theres plenty of other things to do their besides a goddamn videogame tournament do u see my point now, reguardless of the 50/50 bs whatnot glitch fest most people could careless. and about the scrub thing wow, u must live in a box a scrub is someone who is relying on other people/poor/homeless looser, not someone who whines about a video game, thats just a whiny little whore.