Scorpion is cool but needs another story

johnny cage is boring and lame and needs to go away and stay away

Johnny Cage is cool. I just wish he was a bad guy, not an evil guy like Quan Chi, but I wish they would make him some-what of a asshole/jerk. It'll be cool if they do that.

I'm tired of Johnny Cage as well, he needs to just stay in hollywood and make some movies.

His fatality in MKDA was pretty tight! (BRAIN RIP)

What queve said.

Gasman Wrote: Johnny Cage is one of my favorite MK characters. I'll admit his story needs to be revamped, but he is a great fighter with awesome fatalities. His ending in MKDA hints that he will be around, because he was "tired of lame storylines in which he died and was resurrected". MKD definately needs him, but not as an actor, but a serious warrior.

agree.

by the way did his bio in mkda was a joke bout MKA?

thanks queve you saved me from alot of aggresive typing. you are brilliant, and said exactly what i would have said.

Dude that is so "Gay" or do you prefer Fag. I can't stand sensitive people who like to correct people. If someone wants to say "Gay" its his right. So please shutup. Thank you

JohnnyCage5 Wrote: thanks queve you saved me from alot of aggresive typing. you are brilliant, and said exactly what i would have said.

Thanks.

This thread has become too flamable.

Thread closed.

urbansmooth Wrote: This thread has become too flamable. Thread closed.

People already got 1-2 skulls, so hopefully they will stop.

i must agree with queve on this one johnny cage had some of the best moves we've seen in mk. i thought of him as one of my favs. in mk2 and deadly alliance

but if his story doesn't change i'm sure i will kill him more than once in deception

cowbell Wrote: i must agree with queve on this one johnny cage had some of the best moves we've seen in mk. i thought of him as one of my favs. in mk2 and deadly alliance but if his story doesn't change i'm sure i will kill him more than once in deception

I also agree. Cage is awesome, he just needs a new story, and queve did a great job pointing out that stuff about scorpion.

Cage is cool. He should return.

you know i cant believer i missed this thread, but i read wat queve said and yea thats really tru, but id like to point out one thing, johnny should have been in every mk, only reason he was not in mk 3 was because the guy that portrayed him did work for someone else as johnny cage and that pissed midway of, so they fired him and as punishment killed every charecter he portrayed which included = johnny cage, scorpion,reptile,masked subzero.
neither scorpion nor johnny or reptile were in mk 3 and subzero lost the mask, and in umk3 the only reason why scorpiona and reptile had returned was because they did not have to get a new actor to do these guys moves, it was essentially a pallette sawp saving money, getting a new actor and recording new moves for johnny did not make sense, but it did for trilogy eventually just cus of the games idea, i mean why else bring back a dead charecter, if you ask me, boon is a johnny cage and scorpion fan...why well a johnny fan because the game was suppose to be based of his charecter and was supposed to be based off of jean claude van damme, but that was too expensive and boon kept him any way, and a scorpion fan cus he voices the guy for crying out loud. johnny is very important to the mk universe as much as u do not want to admit it, i mean everyones story has gotten old. for example

sonya and jax are always tracking someone down.

raiden always defys the gods to help earth warriors.

scorpion always has vengeance on the brain.

and either kung lao or liu kang are the chosen ones because of theyre ancestry.

so dont tell me its just johnny thats getting old, i think yes johnny needs a better story but his storylines were all pretty good until mkda, in mk he wanted to prove he was legit, in mk he helped liu and kung in outworld, in mkt he helped against invasion, in mk4 he found raiden so he could fight shinnok, so just get over your johnny envy already.

Preach on Johnny.

Johnnycage Wrote: you know i cant believer i missed this thread, but i read wat queve said and yea thats really tru, but id like to point out one thing, johnny should have been in every mk, only reason he was not in mk 3 was because the guy that portrayed him did work for someone else as johnny cage and that pissed midway of, so they fired him and as punishment killed every charecter he portrayed which included = johnny cage, scorpion,reptile,masked subzero. neither scorpion nor johnny or reptile were in mk 3 and subzero lost the mask, and in umk3 the only reason why scorpiona and reptile had returned was because they did not have to get a new actor to do these guys moves, it was essentially a pallette sawp saving money, getting a new actor and recording new moves for johnny did not make sense, but it did for trilogy eventually just cus of the games idea, i mean why else bring back a dead charecter, if you ask me, boon is a johnny cage and scorpion fan...why well a johnny fan because the game was suppose to be based of his charecter and was supposed to be based off of jean claude van damme, but that was too expensive and boon kept him any way, and a scorpion fan cus he voices the guy for crying out loud. johnny is very important to the mk universe as much as u do not want to admit it, i mean everyones story has gotten old. for example sonya and jax are always tracking someone down. raiden always defys the gods to help earth warriors. scorpion always has vengeance on the brain. and either kung lao or liu kang are the chosen ones because of theyre ancestry. so dont tell me its just johnny thats getting old, i think yes johnny needs a better story but his storylines were all pretty good until mkda, in mk he wanted to prove he was legit, in mk he helped liu and kung in outworld, in mkt he helped against invasion, in mk4 he found raiden so he could fight shinnok, so just get over your johnny envy already.

Well said.

omg wtf is wrong with u cage lovers cage was alright cuz of the ball buster but got old he died 3 times he wont stay donw i hated his stuck up "Gay" attitude and the movie start gayness

queve Wrote: Johnnycage Wrote: you know i cant believer i missed this thread, but i read wat queve said and yea thats really tru, but id like to point out one thing, johnny should have been in every mk, only reason he was not in mk 3 was because the guy that portrayed him did work for someone else as johnny cage and that pissed midway of, so they fired him and as punishment killed every charecter he portrayed which included = johnny cage, scorpion,reptile,masked subzero. neither scorpion nor johnny or reptile were in mk 3 and subzero lost the mask, and in umk3 the only reason why scorpiona and reptile had returned was because they did not have to get a new actor to do these guys moves, it was essentially a pallette sawp saving money, getting a new actor and recording new moves for johnny did not make sense, but it did for trilogy eventually just cus of the games idea, i mean why else bring back a dead charecter, if you ask me, boon is a johnny fan

Reptile_896 Wrote: omg wtf is wrong with u cage lovers cage was alright cuz of the ball buster but got old he died 3 times he wont stay donw i hated his stuck up "Gay" attitude and the movie start gayness

He died 3 times?????

Think or know about characters stories before you post please.

Johnny Cage doesn't bother me. I do agree his story could use an overhaul.
But if nothing else, just practice fatalities on him.

On the subject of multiple charcaters' deaths, has any charcater OFFICIALLY died more than once that we know of?

queve, I know you'll say Scorpion, but you're theory about Scorpion's deaths didn't convince me.
Johnny Cage only really died once.
Mileena died once. Possibly twice.
I can't think of others.

Reptile_896 Wrote: omg wtf is wrong with u cage lovers cage was alright cuz of the ball buster but got old he died 3 times he wont stay donw i hated his stuck up "Gay" attitude and the movie start gayness Johnny Cage only died once from an extermination squad that invaded the Earthrealm. His sould didnt leave to the heavens so he stayed on Earth and fought. So that meant Cage was one of the last to die from the extermination squads. Also Cage was revived after the whole MK3/MKT thing and in MK4 the elder gods brought him back because he died after Outworld had merged with Earth which was against everything. So all the people and the Earth reverted back to normal and Cage came back too. Also the acting thing, not all actors are gay bro. I'm an actor too and there are alot of straight guys in the business with me. I think Cage would be the closest thing to an actual person in MK out of all the characters, he comes from the same backround as every other person in here. A guy from America who worked his way up from normal life to traveling around the world learning martial arts and bringing them to film, I don't see anyting gay about that. The only thing he got is his cocky attitude because he never gotten beaten up by anyone before, but I think all that ended could have ended after MK3 when he finally died and learned a thing or two from it. I hope he makes it in Deception with a whole new perspective on the threats from the other realms and not underestimate them like he always did and turn them into creatures into screen plays.

this message is for queve your an asshole how can you say scorpions sucks HES ONE OF THE BEST CHARACTERS EVER he has the style the moves and the fatalities johnny cage is just some gay punk who needs to die and i agree wihe person who made up this conversation the cage needs to die your cool

Sektor, quit dogging queve. First you insult me over the IM just because I don't like Nightwolf, now you start harrassing other members--cut it out, it's really immature.

As for Scorpion--he died before MK1. He probably just went on his way afterwards, w/o dying. It can be asumed he died in MK2, becaause he was trapped in the Netherealm until Shao Kahn accidentily freed him. (The MK3 saga) (He left via Kahn's portal) Then in MK4, he was back in the Netherealm, so he was probably killed again to get there. (those two can be argued against, though.) Then, in MK4, he merely grappled Quan Chi, so he didn't die. But, in Deadlay Alliance, if you play as either Scorpion or Quan Chi (I forget which) in Konquest, Quan Chi kills Scorpion in front of Shang Tsung's home. This definately happened. Then, somehow he escaped the Netherealm again. (Gap in the storyline, because he always needed help to do so, before. He can't open portals on his own.) Then, Moloch and Drahmin kill him. (though this might not have happened.)

So he died at least twice, probably everytime I mentioned. Don't get me wrong I'm a Scorpion fan, but he needs a new storyline more than Cage does. (they both DESPERATELY need one.)

More Johnny Cage and Scorpion kicking butt, more on improving storylines, more nuts cracked by Cage (Bring the move back!!!! Please!), OUT! (If you listen to Jim Rome's sports talk on the radio, guys exit like that.)

sektor101 Wrote: this message is for queve your an asshole how can you say scorpions sucks HES ONE OF THE BEST CHARACTERS EVER he has the style the moves and the fatalities johnny cage is just some gay punk who needs to die and i agree wihe person who made up this conversation the cage needs to die your cool

I feel so sad for you now really, are you that ignorant? Are you that childish?

When did I ever SAY Scorpion SUCKS??? I only said the truth, his story is just as old and boring as Cages is now, so, it’s up to you if you decide to act like some 5 year old jerk just because you love him, or act mature and face facts. Scorpion is one of the coolest Mk characters, but with a boring story.

Learn to respect other people’s opinions as well. No one has to agree in everything you say. You just said Cage sucks, fine! That’s your opinion and I don’t even care.

I believe you are the only one looking like an asshole right now.

johnny_cage_win Wrote: As for Scorpion--he died before MK1. He probably just went on his way afterwards, w/o dying. It can be asumed he died in MK2, becaause he was trapped in the Netherealm until Shao Kahn accidentily freed him. (The MK3 saga) (He left via Kahn's portal) Then in MK4, he was back in the Netherealm, so he was probably killed again to get there. (those two can be argued against, though.) Then, in MK4, he merely grappled Quan Chi, so he didn't die. But, in Deadlay Alliance, if you play as either Scorpion or Quan Chi (I forget which) in Konquest, Quan Chi kills Scorpion in front of Shang Tsung's home. This definately happened. Then, somehow he escaped the Netherealm again. (Gap in the storyline, because he always needed help to do so, before. He can't open portals on his own.) Then, Moloch and Drahmin kill him. (though this might not have happened.) So he died at least twice, probably everytime I mentioned. Don't get me wrong I'm a Scorpion fan, but he needs a new storyline more than Cage does. (they both DESPERATELY need one.)

See the thing is, I don't think everytime Scorpion returns to the Netherealm, it automatically means he died. We can assume it was Quan Chi and/or Shinnok who allowed Scorpion to return and kill Sub-Zero. No more, no less. So after he does that, why would they let him live on Earth? They would drag him back down to the Netherealm, because he is a damned soul. In MK2, he refuses to kill the new Sub-Zero, so they drag him back down to Hell again. In MK3 he escapes and they can't get him back because, like Johnny Cage's story says, passages to Heaven and Hell are blocked. Once Kahn's defeated, Quan Chi and Shinnok drag Scorpion down to Hell again.
It happens in Scorpion's MK4 ending. Quan Chi says he'll return Scorpion to the Netherealm and makes a portal; but doesn't kill him.

And as for the Konquest thing, Scorpion's Konquest makes no mention of that all. And Shang Tsung's only says Quan Chi "defeated" Scorpion.
I think some Konquests imbelish or exagerate certain things. For example, in Kenshi's Konquest, he finds and kills Shang Tsung. In Kitana's Konquest, she kills Quan Chi. In Shang Tsung's Konquest, after they kill Liu Kang, Rayden comes down and they kill him. In Drahmin's Konquest, he eats Li Mei before the Deadly Alliance even happens. I believe we can assume 90% of what happens in Konquest is canon, but some things contradict others and leave open more plot holes.
And say Scorpion was killed by Quan Chi in front of Shang Tsung's home, how did Scorpion escape the Netherealm again? After Quan Chi opens the portal out of the Netherealm, Scorpion, Drahmin and Moloch leap through before it closes. If it closed, how'd Scorpion escape again?


Sorry for veering off topic, but I'm just trying to clarify things here.

XiahouDun84 Wrote: johnny_cage_win Wrote: As for Scorpion--he died before MK1. He probably just went on his way afterwards, w/o dying. It can be asumed he died in MK2, becaause he was trapped in the Netherealm until Shao Kahn accidentily freed him. (The MK3 saga) (He left via Kahn's portal) Then in MK4, he was back in the Netherealm, so he was probably killed again to get there. (those two can be argued against, though.) Then, in MK4, he merely grappled Quan Chi, so he didn't die. But, in Deadlay Alliance, if you play as either Scorpion or Quan Chi (I forget which) in Konquest, Quan Chi kills Scorpion in front of Shang Tsung's home. This definately happened. Then, somehow he escaped the Netherealm again. (Gap in the storyline, because he always needed help to do so, before. He can't open portals on his own.) Then, Moloch and Drahmin kill him. (though this might not have happened.) So he died at least twice, probably everytime I mentioned. Don't get me wrong I'm a Scorpion fan, but he needs a new storyline more than Cage does. (they both DESPERATELY need one.) See the thing is, I don't think everytime Scorpion returns to the Netherealm, it automatically means he died. We can assume it was Quan Chi and/or Shinnok who allowed Scorpion to return and kill Sub-Zero. No more, no less. So after he does that, why would they let him live on Earth? They would drag him back down to the Netherealm, because he is a damned soul. In MK2, he refuses to kill the new Sub-Zero, so they drag him back down to Hell again. In MK3 he escapes and they can't get him back because, like Johnny Cage's story says, passages to Heaven and Hell are blocked. Once Kahn's defeated, Quan Chi and Shinnok drag Scorpion down to Hell again. It happens in Scorpion's MK4 ending. Quan Chi says he'll return Scorpion to the Netherealm and makes a portal; but doesn't kill him. And as for the Konquest thing, Scorpion's Konquest makes no mention of that all. And Shang Tsung's only says Quan Chi "defeated" Scorpion. I think some Konquests imbelish or exagerate certain things. For example, in Kenshi's Konquest, he finds and kills Shang Tsung. In Kitana's Konquest, she kills Quan Chi. In Shang Tsung's Konquest, after they kill Liu Kang, Rayden comes down and they kill him. In Drahmin's Konquest, he eats Li Mei before the Deadly Alliance even happens. I believe we can assume 90% of what happens in Konquest is canon, but some things contradict others and leave open more plot holes. And say Scorpion was killed by Quan Chi in front of Shang Tsung's home, how did Scorpion escape the Netherealm again? After Quan Chi opens the portal out of the Netherealm, Scorpion, Drahmin and Moloch leap through before it closes. If it closed, how'd Scorpion escape again? Sorry for veering off topic, but I'm just trying to clarify things here.

It was mentioned in Konquest that SCORPION DIED when he was thrown into the acid pool by Quan Chi. Even if it said “defeated”, its obvious that he did die (again) when he touched acid.

Scorpion has died 2 times:

Killed by Sub before Mk1.
Killed by Quan Chi in acid pool.