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[SUB-ZERO Wrote:
As an animator and 3d modeler in a game developing studio I can tell everyone that in Motaro's case the game engine is not a problem. They should model him with 4 legs and as a low polygon character, it would cost 200 or maybe 400 more polygons. PS2 can handle 2 million polygons/sec easily and more. So when they make the model, they have to make new rigging for him, because they can't simply copy-paste the ordinary character rigs from other characters. It's a bit more time and money but not as much. When they make the new riging for him, now coms the keyframe animation, because they cannot use motion capture for him. This is also a bit more work but it really isn'T so hard. Because he is a sub boss, he don't need aerial combo. In MK2 Shao Kahn can't jump but it is not a problem because he is balanced elsewhere. In MK3/UMK/Trilogy all the bosses like Shao Kahn, Motaro, Kintaro, Goro. All of them can'T do combos which is main part of this series but they are still playable. In MKDA Moloch can'T do combos neither jump-kick or stuff like that but he is also ok. As for the side moving, I saw in lot of movies when centaurs turned around and it could be also done easily. So all in all it could be done with a little more money and time. But as I see, this new MK team on the top with Ed Boon has a strategy like this:"Try to make an MK for those stupid fans with the lowest amount of money and make big profit with cheap ideas." This is why I like Japanese games more, because for japanese, honor and quality is on the first and second place, money is only the third. MK team has no honor neither quality. For MK team money is on the first, second and third place. I'm a classic MK fan and I liked the game tll it was developed with the old MK team with Tobias on the top. Now it is all about money without quality. It's not about lazynes, the guys who work there are payd to make everything what is needed. The decision is in Boon's hands who choose always the cheaper way. Of course this is only my personal opinion but everybody try to judge himself. I'm just an old, disapointed MK fan. Peace!
ps: sorry for my bad english
As an animator and 3d modeler in a game developing studio I can tell everyone that in Motaro's case the game engine is not a problem. They should model him with 4 legs and as a low polygon character, it would cost 200 or maybe 400 more polygons. PS2 can handle 2 million polygons/sec easily and more. So when they make the model, they have to make new rigging for him, because they can't simply copy-paste the ordinary character rigs from other characters. It's a bit more time and money but not as much. When they make the new riging for him, now coms the keyframe animation, because they cannot use motion capture for him. This is also a bit more work but it really isn'T so hard. Because he is a sub boss, he don't need aerial combo. In MK2 Shao Kahn can't jump but it is not a problem because he is balanced elsewhere. In MK3/UMK/Trilogy all the bosses like Shao Kahn, Motaro, Kintaro, Goro. All of them can'T do combos which is main part of this series but they are still playable. In MKDA Moloch can'T do combos neither jump-kick or stuff like that but he is also ok. As for the side moving, I saw in lot of movies when centaurs turned around and it could be also done easily. So all in all it could be done with a little more money and time. But as I see, this new MK team on the top with Ed Boon has a strategy like this:"Try to make an MK for those stupid fans with the lowest amount of money and make big profit with cheap ideas." This is why I like Japanese games more, because for japanese, honor and quality is on the first and second place, money is only the third. MK team has no honor neither quality. For MK team money is on the first, second and third place. I'm a classic MK fan and I liked the game tll it was developed with the old MK team with Tobias on the top. Now it is all about money without quality. It's not about lazynes, the guys who work there are payd to make everything what is needed. The decision is in Boon's hands who choose always the cheaper way. Of course this is only my personal opinion but everybody try to judge himself. I'm just an old, disapointed MK fan. Peace!
ps: sorry for my bad english
So fucking true. Hand this man his two DPs.
smaddy Wrote:
In regards to Motaro.
As a game developer myself, I ask you to please read this whole thing and look at it from a development standpoint.
It was either have him in the game but make him playable, IE: two legs. He simply would not have worked with 4 legs, I gaurantee you, it just wouldn't work with the current engine OR not put him in the game and deal with intense/harsh critcism from all of the fans of him. This is the safe route, put him in the game when he's actually useable but with a significant change. You'll please half of the crowd and make half of the crowd angry. Thats why I generally say you'll only see one Chameleon. They'll do some story thing to explain why there is only one or that there was always only one. You got that person in the game with something workable, and you please some poeople but not all.
Better to get the character in, and please half the crowd, then to exclude them entirely and deal with the constant barrage of Where is Motaro? Where is K/C/Chameleon? Which they already dealt with sort of when it was speculated that they wouldn't be in the game. The complaints of his absence are why Motaro is here with 2 legs essentially.
Think about moving up and down in a 3D environment. as a horse. You've rode a horse in other games right? How would Motaro do that, Stand in one place, rotate 45 degree's move a step or two and then rotate again to face the opponent again? He would get annihliated. The only fix is to make him move completely unrealistic and look aboslutely ridiculous in the process. I've never seen a horse strafe/shuffle left/right.
It's either this or nothing and personally I think this is better than nothing. The odds of Motaro going to the next game were very slim as it is, so it's better to have him in some form for one last hurrah.
In regards to Motaro.
As a game developer myself, I ask you to please read this whole thing and look at it from a development standpoint.
It was either have him in the game but make him playable, IE: two legs. He simply would not have worked with 4 legs, I gaurantee you, it just wouldn't work with the current engine OR not put him in the game and deal with intense/harsh critcism from all of the fans of him. This is the safe route, put him in the game when he's actually useable but with a significant change. You'll please half of the crowd and make half of the crowd angry. Thats why I generally say you'll only see one Chameleon. They'll do some story thing to explain why there is only one or that there was always only one. You got that person in the game with something workable, and you please some poeople but not all.
Better to get the character in, and please half the crowd, then to exclude them entirely and deal with the constant barrage of Where is Motaro? Where is K/C/Chameleon? Which they already dealt with sort of when it was speculated that they wouldn't be in the game. The complaints of his absence are why Motaro is here with 2 legs essentially.
Think about moving up and down in a 3D environment. as a horse. You've rode a horse in other games right? How would Motaro do that, Stand in one place, rotate 45 degree's move a step or two and then rotate again to face the opponent again? He would get annihliated. The only fix is to make him move completely unrealistic and look aboslutely ridiculous in the process. I've never seen a horse strafe/shuffle left/right.
It's either this or nothing and personally I think this is better than nothing. The odds of Motaro going to the next game were very slim as it is, so it's better to have him in some form for one last hurrah.
I agree 100% with this. Though it would have been nice to see Motaro in full Centaur mode... It's just not something that is doable without making it look extremely corny. Ah well, at least he's in there, and that is ALL Boon said is that he'd be in there, never eluded as to HOW he'd be. And now we know. All in all though with 60+ characters as well as KAK.. is this really THAT big of a deal? 'Sides, who knows, he could work a lot better as a bipedal.. at any rate he'll have significant improvement as far as movement is concerned. Wonder what they'l give him for moves? Think he'll still have his Teleport? It'll be cool if they worked his tail into combat too..(seeing as how they didn't do it with Reptile's when he had one.)

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Excuse me but...
AHAHAHAHAHAAH MOTARO HAS TWO LEGS BAHAHAHAHAH
AHAHAHAHAHAAH MOTARO HAS TWO LEGS BAHAHAHAHAH
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[SUB-ZERO Wrote: As an animator and 3d modeler in a game developing studio I can tell everyone that in Motaro's case the game engine is not a problem. They should model him with 4 legs and as a low polygon character, it would cost 200 or maybe 400 more polygons. PS2 can handle 2 million polygons/sec easily and more. So when they make the model, they have to make new rigging for him, because they can't simply copy-paste the ordinary character rigs from other characters. It's a bit more time and money but not as much. When they make the new riging for him, now coms the keyframe animation, because they cannot use motion capture for him. This is also a bit more work but it really isn'T so hard. Because he is a sub boss, he don't need aerial combo. In MK2 Shao Kahn can't jump but it is not a problem because he is balanced elsewhere. In MK3/UMK/Trilogy all the bosses like Shao Kahn, Motaro, Kintaro, Goro. All of them can'T do combos which is main part of this series but they are still playable. In MKDA Moloch can'T do combos neither jump-kick or stuff like that but he is also ok. As for the side moving, I saw in lot of movies when centaurs turned around and it could be also done easily. So all in all it could be done with a little more money and time. But as I see, this new MK team on the top with Ed Boon has a strategy like this:"Try to make an MK for those stupid fans with the lowest amount of money and make big profit with cheap ideas." This is why I like Japanese games more, because for japanese, honor and quality is on the first and second place, money is only the third. MK team has no honor neither quality. For MK team money is on the first, second and third place. I'm a classic MK fan and I liked the game tll it was developed with the old MK team with Tobias on the top. Now it is all about money without quality. It's not about lazynes, the guys who work there are payd to make everything what is needed. The decision is in Boon's hands who choose always the cheaper way. Of course this is only my personal opinion but everybody try to judge himself. I'm just an old, disapointed MK fan. Peace!
Amen


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Who's the new piglike character. Hahahahaha, I understand why they did this but omg Motaro looks terrible.

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smaddy Wrote:
In regards to Motaro.
As a game developer myself, I ask you to please read this whole thing and look at it from a development standpoint.
It was either have him in the game but make him playable, IE: two legs. He simply would not have worked with 4 legs, I gaurantee you, it just wouldn't work with the current engine OR not put him in the game and deal with intense/harsh critcism from all of the fans of him. This is the safe route, put him in the game when he's actually useable but with a significant change. You'll please half of the crowd and make half of the crowd angry. Thats why I generally say you'll only see one Chameleon. They'll do some story thing to explain why there is only one or that there was always only one. You got that person in the game with something workable, and you please some poeople but not all.
Better to get the character in, and please half the crowd, then to exclude them entirely and deal with the constant barrage of Where is Motaro? Where is K/C/Chameleon? Which they already dealt with sort of when it was speculated that they wouldn't be in the game. The complaints of his absence are why Motaro is here with 2 legs essentially.
Think about moving up and down in a 3D environment. as a horse. You've rode a horse in other games right? How would Motaro do that, Stand in one place, rotate 45 degree's move a step or two and then rotate again to face the opponent again? He would get annihliated. The only fix is to make him move completely unrealistic and look aboslutely ridiculous in the process. I've never seen a horse strafe/shuffle left/right.
It's either this or nothing and personally I think this is better than nothing. The odds of Motaro going to the next game were very slim as it is, so it's better to have him in some form for one last hurrah.
In regards to Motaro.
As a game developer myself, I ask you to please read this whole thing and look at it from a development standpoint.
It was either have him in the game but make him playable, IE: two legs. He simply would not have worked with 4 legs, I gaurantee you, it just wouldn't work with the current engine OR not put him in the game and deal with intense/harsh critcism from all of the fans of him. This is the safe route, put him in the game when he's actually useable but with a significant change. You'll please half of the crowd and make half of the crowd angry. Thats why I generally say you'll only see one Chameleon. They'll do some story thing to explain why there is only one or that there was always only one. You got that person in the game with something workable, and you please some poeople but not all.
Better to get the character in, and please half the crowd, then to exclude them entirely and deal with the constant barrage of Where is Motaro? Where is K/C/Chameleon? Which they already dealt with sort of when it was speculated that they wouldn't be in the game. The complaints of his absence are why Motaro is here with 2 legs essentially.
Think about moving up and down in a 3D environment. as a horse. You've rode a horse in other games right? How would Motaro do that, Stand in one place, rotate 45 degree's move a step or two and then rotate again to face the opponent again? He would get annihliated. The only fix is to make him move completely unrealistic and look aboslutely ridiculous in the process. I've never seen a horse strafe/shuffle left/right.
It's either this or nothing and personally I think this is better than nothing. The odds of Motaro going to the next game were very slim as it is, so it's better to have him in some form for one last hurrah.
One-hundred percent truth right here. I could smell the hate from fickle fans as soon as I saw Minotaur Motaro. It was a good decision. All these people who are saying "MK is the worst" or some variant over this shit are fans that don't deserve to be worried over, or people who will still buy the game anyway. Or both.
I wanted Motaro as a horse, but it was only for curiosity. I, too, couldn't imagine him moving like the others in a 3-D environment. All this did was shock me a bit. Makes perfect sense though.
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[SUB-ZERO WOW, you took the words right out of mouth .... im just a let down MK fan too .....
motaro with 2 lets what is next sorpion with one arm

motaro with 2 lets what is next sorpion with one arm
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thepunisher823 Wrote:
[SUB-ZERO WOW, you took the words right out of mouth .... im just a let down MK fan too .....
motaro with 2 lets what is next sorpion with one arm

[SUB-ZERO WOW, you took the words right out of mouth .... im just a let down MK fan too .....
motaro with 2 lets what is next sorpion with one arm
or sonya with one boob because they couldn't program the other to bounce well.

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I knew it...
Motaro with 2 legs...but hmmm...It ́s Ok!
Why are u complain over this ?
What you want ?
You have 60+ charachters and you want everything to be perfect ?
All you "haters" calm down...
This game will rock with Motaro or without him!!!
We have all MK charachters and we HAVE TO be happy!!!
Regards...
P.S. I don ́t care if he has 2 or 4 legs...it ́s important that HE ́S in the fu*king game!
Motaro with 2 legs...but hmmm...It ́s Ok!
Why are u complain over this ?
What you want ?
You have 60+ charachters and you want everything to be perfect ?
All you "haters" calm down...
This game will rock with Motaro or without him!!!
We have all MK charachters and we HAVE TO be happy!!!
Regards...
P.S. I don ́t care if he has 2 or 4 legs...it ́s important that HE ́S in the fu*king game!


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I bet if Motaro had four legs but no aerial kombat and limited movement people would still complain.

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I still love MKA, and i'm going to play the shit out of it when October 10th comes around. But that doesn't change the fact i'm pissed off at Motaro no longer being a Centaur.
So no, i'm not being a "baby", but a disgruntled MK fan who was looking forward to seeing Motaro in his 3D four-legged form, and instead getting this.
So no, i'm not being a "baby", but a disgruntled MK fan who was looking forward to seeing Motaro in his 3D four-legged form, and instead getting this.

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maby he had a sex change ! lol i think they knew that some of the MK fans would be upset about this. so i think they will make it up to us some how by perhaps like some people are sayin ....
*3 costumes per character
*a couple new special moves
*C/Khamelion well the oppisite of the one we have now
* i doubt this one but maby tag team
i hope this happens
*3 costumes per character
*a couple new special moves
*C/Khamelion well the oppisite of the one we have now
* i doubt this one but maby tag team
i hope this happens
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A coversation between boon and motaro programmer at midway.
boon: how 's going?
motaro programmer: I have a problem with the animation of motaro.
boon: why?
motaro programmer: because he has 4 legs.
boon: what? the game must be out in october!
motaro programmer: It will take me 2 weeks to fix it and 10 bucks more.
boon: what? ok for 2 weeks but 10 more bucks? are you crazy man?
because he has 2 more legs? you ask 10 more bucks?
motaro programmer: what should I do?
boon: cut them off
motaro programmer: all of them?
boon: yeah why not? It costs 5 bucks each. He has a tail he can move. Snakes can. Or he can bounce on his tail..
motaro programmer: yes.. but the fans...
boon: .
motaro progr:shall I leave him 2?
boon: no cut them all. we must hurry, I have bills to pay.
motaro progr : I will do it for free.
boon: done. ok then.
nice talking. nice job 
boon: how 's going?
motaro programmer: I have a problem with the animation of motaro.
boon: why?
motaro programmer: because he has 4 legs.
boon: what? the game must be out in october!
motaro programmer: It will take me 2 weeks to fix it and 10 bucks more.
boon: what? ok for 2 weeks but 10 more bucks? are you crazy man?
because he has 2 more legs? you ask 10 more bucks?
motaro programmer: what should I do?
boon: cut them off
motaro programmer: all of them?
boon: yeah why not? It costs 5 bucks each. He has a tail he can move. Snakes can. Or he can bounce on his tail..
motaro programmer: yes.. but the fans...
boon: .
motaro progr:shall I leave him 2?
boon: no cut them all. we must hurry, I have bills to pay.
motaro progr : I will do it for free.
boon: done. ok then.


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_RaptoraS_ Wrote:
or sonya with one boob because they couldn't program the other to bounce well.
thepunisher823 Wrote:
[SUB-ZERO WOW, you took the words right out of mouth .... im just a let down MK fan too .....
motaro with 2 lets what is next sorpion with one arm

[SUB-ZERO WOW, you took the words right out of mouth .... im just a let down MK fan too .....
motaro with 2 lets what is next sorpion with one arm
or sonya with one boob because they couldn't program the other to bounce well.
Yes, because one wouldn't smack her in the face when she sidestepped.


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OMG yeah,Portal Kombat did tell us Motaro would have two legs and we would see it in August!
I feel so bad for flaming him and calling him a lier.
I feel so bad for flaming him and calling him a lier.
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OMG!!! I'm not happy with the change to Motaro, lol.I just hope that they explain his change in the game, if not that would be lame.
Say he got morphed into a Minotaur from a Centaur some how by sorcery or something because this is just weird.I like the way he looks as far as the badassness to him, but he looks very odd without the back legs LMAO..
What ever, I can handle it.I'm shocked though like everyone else.I wonder where that guy got his sources from with the Motaro having two legs rumor from anyway....he was right, so that's what I'm curious about. lol
Say he got morphed into a Minotaur from a Centaur some how by sorcery or something because this is just weird.I like the way he looks as far as the badassness to him, but he looks very odd without the back legs LMAO..
What ever, I can handle it.I'm shocked though like everyone else.I wonder where that guy got his sources from with the Motaro having two legs rumor from anyway....he was right, so that's what I'm curious about. lol


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This may sound stupid....but maybe they just did that as a teaser to get people pissed and he really has for legs. If it can be done, i dont see why they wouldnt. video game technology is getting better game after game. Who knows? but i think i might have a valid point....
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