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07/17/2008 06:07 PM (UTC)
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2D combat? Ah, the proverbial cyanide capsule for MK. This is over with.

What the shit are you talking about? Everyone knows that the best MK games were the 2D ones.


Are we still in the Nintendo era? Certain games are better in their 2-d form such as Street fighter. But I disagree with you if you say 2-D MK games are better than the 3-D ones.

I think 2D games (Mortal Kombat II in particular) were the pinnacle of this series and the fact that this series hasn't seen that high level of success again only validates my point.
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07/17/2008 06:28 PM (UTC)
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WarriorPrincess Wrote:
Of course we noticed all these things. Personally I'm glad that the fighting styles are gone. They've gone back to basics and it's basically like the MK 2 fighting style. Everyone has pretty much the same basic moves, but it's their specials that set them apart from the next fighter.



BOOOOO!

If everyone has the same exact fighting styles, then the game will suck....badly. That was fine back in 1992 but this is 2008. That would be like playing Streetfighter 3 with a bunch of Ryu's where each Ryu had vairous special fireballs. I say again, Boooooo!


MK2, although great for it's time, was quite shallow. Why use Scorpion when I can use Subzero if Sub Zero's special attacks are better? For looks? No way! If the basic attacks varied, maybe a character who's special attacks are not so effective can still stand a chance. Don't you rembeber how lame Johhny Cage was in MK2? It was because his specials sucked. If he had a different set of basics which augmented his abilities, maybe he could have been great.


Other than that, I think the new game's visuals and presentation look outstanding! I just hope that you are wrong with the basic attacks being the same accross the board.


Peace


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ErmaSco
07/17/2008 06:57 PM (UTC)
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The MK team has finally listened to its fans and brought back the 2D fighting styles but now the fans changed their minds and ask for the 3D fighting style .So in the nest MK the team should use 4D fighting style .

Seriously I can still play MK,MK2,MK3,UTM3,MKT,MK4 and MKG and I have to say it I really enjoy them just as I enjoy the 3D MKs .

This is just an early built of the game .So many things may be changed .Also, there are only 22-24 charcters so why should they copy and paste the moves for every charcter other than make moves for every charcter .

For me the game looked fine ,the gameplay is good .I just wonder if this game would be met as MK4 was met in 1999 with mixed reaction .
furious

I really liked MK4 though confused
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elmon
07/17/2008 07:15 PM (UTC)
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I really enjoyed the video. I'm happy to see such a advanced use of the stages, Super-man and Sub-Zero going thru wall's really lets you feel the power behind these fights, and the same with the airborne fighting I just hope they keep those for the next installment of the MK series.

Although the button's appearing at the bottom of the screen is a little jarring at first, you can get used to it.

And Superman's brutality is kinda...old...slamming them into the ground again and again seems a little...off for some reason.
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07/17/2008 07:27 PM (UTC)
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illu§ion Wrote:
T-rex Wrote:
Chrome Wrote:
2D combat? Ah, the proverbial cyanide capsule for MK. This is over with.

What the shit are you talking about? Everyone knows that the best MK games were the 2D ones.


Are we still in the Nintendo era? Certain games are better in their 2-d form such as Street fighter. But I disagree with you if you say 2-D MK games are better than the 3-D ones.


Well look at games like SF, MK and SF fans when it comes to "demand" are very similar in the gameplay department because if you notice MOST of both fanbases WANT 2D over 3D, notice games like Tekken, VF, DOA etc they'll good for "that 3D engine" but chances are they would suck at a 2D since they never had one period, while SF and MK have had 2D engines, worked great despite the timeline. Personally, to me I don't believe in that.

MK2 was great for it's time and still is today by oldschool MK fans, but fact of the matter is would you rather have a new game that plays "2d like" and is fun, less broken, and actually playable or a new kind of 3D MK with more styles, more glitches etc, etc and thus hear the never ending bitching of certain people that hated the past two MKs?

I'm all for advancing but I'm also for "if it works, don't fuck with it" as well and this game is looking way better gameplay wise then the previous few MK's honestly. At least a hell of a lot more balanced which is good.
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07/17/2008 08:27 PM (UTC)
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So basically Superman has Sheeva's fatality... how original... sleep
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WingsOfRedemption
07/17/2008 08:32 PM (UTC)
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I think the animation looks the same from MK5, 6, and 7. They took out all the dial combos but still kept similar animation. I think graphically the game looks great until the characters start moving and fighting.
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07/17/2008 08:56 PM (UTC)
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Toxik Wrote:
So basically Superman has Sheeva's fatality... how original... sleep


It's not the exact same as Sheevas....Supe's leaves you alive as you can see, Sheeva didn't.

And this game to wind is nothing like the previous few MK's, the gameplay is a lot more 2D.
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TheOmniOni
07/17/2008 10:15 PM (UTC)
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2d, 3d, who cares! Quit complaining until you've played the damn game! Anyways, just from watching it I'm getting more intrigued so kudos there Midway. The pro move concept is a step in the right direction finally. I'm guessing that's how Shang Tsung will have his double and/or triple fireballs back. (hurray!) If it does follow the same 2d style then I say it's a good thing! Only because the different fighting techniques could completely ruin your favorite characters, or vice versa. Hsu Hao was a tumor on the MK roster, but I played the hell out of him because his weapon style was amazing! And Shang Tsung having snake was a good idea, but crane was crap. I would have preferred Muay Thai for my favorite guy.
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07/17/2008 10:25 PM (UTC)
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babyboi0106
07/18/2008 12:03 AM (UTC)
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No doubt about it the game looks awesome. However, I am not liking the fact that it's mainly 2d. 2D is very limited and old school (in a bad way). Why is it with every Mortal Kombat since Armageddon that they have eliminated some key elements that make the game good. For example in Armageddon they took away one fighting style, individual fatalities and hara kiri's and replaced it with bland universal create a fatalities. In this game they made everything 2d again which eliminates sidestepping attacks and countering with your own. If they were making it 2D again it would have been nice to keep the 3D aspect of the game too.
I do like the close one on one kombat but how varied is it?
Instead of just trying things and eliminating them for something else, they should just try to expand on what's working and thereby improve it. Why not add a third fatality? Maybe find multiple ways to link up and chain together fighting styles adding for more complexity and variation?
I will definitley buy this game though because I'm loyal to the MK franchise, I also hope Kitana is present.
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mkflegend
07/18/2008 12:07 AM (UTC)
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Hardly limited if it works, and that's all people should care about honestly...it's like someone else said in here, who cares so much about it being "2D or 3D" at this point, if the game plays better then the previous few MK's who the hell cares?

That and the fact that oldschool MK was great, classic. Why not go back to it's roots?

Besides, it's not "exactly like the older games"
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babyboi0106
07/18/2008 12:17 AM (UTC)
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Why not go back to it's roots? Because it's 2008 and this is Playstation 3. They said they were revamping the fighting engine...honestly, I expected something different, not more of the same ole. I'm hoping it surprises me and I like it. It does look good though.
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07/18/2008 12:21 AM (UTC)
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babyboi0106 Wrote:
Why not go back to it's roots? Because it's 2008 and this is Playstation 3. They said they were revamping the fighting engine...honestly, I expected something different, not more of the same ole. I'm hoping it surprises me and I like it. It does look good though.


There's also 360 version as well, I noticed you mentioned just PS3....but that doesn't mean anything, tell that to SF4 and SC series(SC of which hardly changed since their first game gameplay wise...) and SF going back to their roots pleased way MORE fans then the unpleased fans.

Same case here with MK, people have to understand that this engine is revamped despite whether it was something "you or anyone else" expected. How could you know? lol nobody knew but chances are and speaking as how so many whiners are on MKO, someone would have hated it anyway if it were like you or some others like you wanted the game to come out anyway.

Don't get me wrong, I respect you view I'm just saying not every fan "wants the same thing" so you have to try to look at it from Midway's point of view, which fans want 2D, who wants 3D, who wants a totally new thing....

All you can do as the creator is do something new and hope for the best that majority of fans like it.

So far from the feedback, it's a lot more positive now then negative overall which is a good thing.
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babyboi0106
07/18/2008 12:46 AM (UTC)
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Also is Mortal Kombat VS DC the new Mortal Kombat 8? I heard somewhere that actually they are separate games? What is the truth? Does anyone know where I can find the info?
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babyboi0106
07/18/2008 12:56 AM (UTC)
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One of the things I admired about Armageddon was the fact that they created a game with both 2D and 3D qualities. You get the best of both worlds. I hope they bring it back again. I just love 3d games lol
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07/18/2008 01:05 AM (UTC)
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Yeah I hear ya man, I love all MK games just aboutgrin

babyboi0106 Wrote:
Also is Mortal Kombat VS DC the new Mortal Kombat 8? I heard somewhere that actually they are separate games? What is the truth? Does anyone know where I can find the info?


Sure man, Boon confirmed recently that this is a NON-Canon storyline to the MK storyline so you don't have to worry man. This is a separate storyline/separate game series all together. smile
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07/18/2008 02:44 AM (UTC)
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mkflegend Wrote:
It's not the exact same as Sheevas....Supe's leaves you alive as you can see, Sheeva didn't.


Oh yeah... that's right, there's a big difference.
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07/18/2008 03:27 AM (UTC)
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Yes,but Boon did confirm on G4 at E3 that this is infact MK8 for those of you who are counting.He also has said before this this game is a altered universe of MK.
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07/18/2008 03:32 AM (UTC)
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Toxik Wrote:
mkflegend Wrote:
It's not the exact same as Sheevas....Supe's leaves you alive as you can see, Sheeva didn't.


Oh yeah... that's right, there's a big difference.


There is a bit of a difference, but honestly really not a big deal...that's the least of my concerns to be dead honest.
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07/18/2008 03:46 AM (UTC)
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mkflegend Wrote:
Toxik Wrote:
mkflegend Wrote:
It's not the exact same as Sheevas....Supe's leaves you alive as you can see, Sheeva didn't.


Oh yeah... that's right, there's a big difference.


There is a bit of a difference, but honestly really not a big deal...that's the least of my concerns to be dead honest.


With all due respect: Seriously, everything people complain about is never “a big deal”, or “bad”, or “worth taking into consideration” to you.

(just in case Im not yelling at you, wink, nor am I insulting you, I just need to share this with you because I really find it weird)

I can totally relate to you when you get upset at fans complaining about Flash’s lips and about not giving the game a chance...but till this day, you’ve said NOTHING bad, absolutely nothing, about this new MK.

Why???? Do you honestly like EVERYTHING? Is it that perfect?

As if there was nothing that you don’t like...just a tiny bit.

Im totally loving this game and I cant wait for more, but seriously, you aren’t really the best of the fans if you keep saying that all you are shown rocks and period just because you dont want to say anything bad about MK.

You know, it would be nice to hear your real opinions more often man. All you do with all and every single new Mk game is praise them, but you never admit there’s anything wrong. Never (when the game is being shown and people comment about stuff I mean).

You always find a reason or excuse to say something about someones complains.

And that Sheeva comment, has got to be one of your worst.

Ed Boon is not going to personally ban you from Mortal Kombat if you agree that you wish moves weren’t recycled, or if you agreed that certain things (subjective/objective/whatever) could be better...but no, all you do is find an excuse.

Theres not a single bad thing...everything is so "silly" or "not a big deal".

Come on man!!! I want to hear your real opinions! I actually want to read your thoughts without knowing what you are going to say already, without your opinion being repetitive or predictable. wink

The game looks awesome, Im definitely getting it, but hey, it has to be improved.
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07/18/2008 04:07 AM (UTC)
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queve Wrote:
mkflegend Wrote:
Toxik Wrote:
mkflegend Wrote:
It's not the exact same as Sheevas....Supe's leaves you alive as you can see, Sheeva didn't.


Oh yeah... that's right, there's a big difference.


There is a bit of a difference, but honestly really not a big deal...that's the least of my concerns to be dead honest.


With all due respect: Seriously, everything people complain about is never “a big deal”, or “bad”, or “worth taking into consideration” to you.

(just in case Im not yelling at you, wink, nor am I insulting you, I just need to share this with you because I really find it weird)

I can totally relate to you when you get upset at fans complaining about Flash’s lips and about not giving the game a chance...but till this day, you’ve said NOTHING bad, absolutely nothing, about this new MK.

Why???? Do you honestly like EVERYTHING? Is it that perfect?

As if there was nothing that you don’t like...just a tiny bit.

Im totally loving this game and I cant wait for more, but seriously, you aren’t really the best of the fans if you keep saying that all you are shown rocks and period just because you dont want to say anything bad about MK.

You know, it would be nice to hear your real opinions more often man. All you do with all and every single new Mk game is praise them, but you never admit there’s anything wrong. Never (when the game is being shown and people comment about stuff I mean).

You always find a reason or excuse to say something about someones complains.

And that Sheeva comment, has got to be one of your worst.

Ed Boon is not going to personally ban you from Mortal Kombat if you agree that you wish moves weren’t recycled, or if you agreed that certain things (subjective/objective/whatever) could be better...but no, all you do is find an excuse.

Theres not a single bad thing...everything is so "silly" or "not a big deal".

Come on man!!! I want to hear your real opinions! I actually want to read your thoughts without knowing what you are going to say already, without your opinion being repetitive or predictable. wink

The game looks awesome, Im definitely getting it, but hey, it has to be improved.


lol because to me it's not honestly, but seriously who cares? It's something Superman WOULD do being that I actually follow DC I know the character, why people have to pet peeve over every little thing puzzles me but whatever lol I've come to realize this is MKO and filled with whiners lol. No offense but I have my points as well.

And all some others do is "find something wrong with every little thing" lol like that Q guy that got 2 threads closed...nobody cares is what I'm saying, it's the least people should be worrying about and rather focus on the gameplay man. I mean, Sonya has her kiss stun from MK:A but who cares? lol

The game is not done yet so of course it'll be improved, no game is perfect remember even once done...
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07/18/2008 04:14 AM (UTC)
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lol because to me it's not honestly, but seriously who cares? It's something Superman WOULD do being that I actually follow DC I know the character, why people have to pet peeve over every little thing puzzles me but whatever lol I've come to realize this is MKO and filled with whiners lol. No offense but I have my points as well.

And all some others do is "find something wrong with every little thing" lol like that Q guy that got 2 threads closed...nobody cares is what I'm saying, it's the least people should be worrying about and rather focus on the gameplay man. I mean, Sonya has her kiss stun from MK:A but who cares? lol

The game is not done yet so of course it'll be improved, no game is perfect remember even once done...


Its great to be talking like this to you.

So, are you saying the game is perfect?

I can honestly respect that you like the game, but I also remember you constantly saying that no game is ever perfect and so on...so answer me this.

If MK vs DC isn’t a perfect game, WHAT THINGS you don’t like about the game? What would you love to see improved or changed? What are your peronal "little trivial unimportant not such a big deal" sort of things that would make the game better for you if improved for the best?

And just for the record...whining about Scorpion and Superman sharing the same “eye glow” fatality animation and effect, is not trivial man.

It really takes away the essence and uniqueness of both characters. And its good people “whine” about that, because if it really is unfinished stuff, Ed and the team will know not to include that for the final build...or should know anyways.
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ErmaSco
07/18/2008 07:38 AM (UTC)
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queve Wrote:
mkflegend Wrote:
Toxik Wrote:
mkflegend Wrote:
It's not the exact same as Sheevas....Supe's leaves you alive as you can see, Sheeva didn't.


Oh yeah... that's right, there's a big difference.


There is a bit of a difference, but honestly really not a big deal...that's the least of my concerns to be dead honest.


With all due respect: Seriously, everything people complain about is never “a big deal”, or “bad”, or “worth taking into consideration” to you.

(just in case Im not yelling at you, wink, nor am I insulting you, I just need to share this with you because I really find it weird)

I can totally relate to you when you get upset at fans complaining about Flash’s lips and about not giving the game a chance...but till this day, you’ve said NOTHING bad, absolutely nothing, about this new MK.

Why???? Do you honestly like EVERYTHING? Is it that perfect?

As if there was nothing that you don’t like...just a tiny bit.

Im totally loving this game and I cant wait for more, but seriously, you aren’t really the best of the fans if you keep saying that all you are shown rocks and period just because you dont want to say anything bad about MK.

You know, it would be nice to hear your real opinions more often man. All you do with all and every single new Mk game is praise them, but you never admit there’s anything wrong. Never (when the game is being shown and people comment about stuff I mean).

You always find a reason or excuse to say something about someones complains.

And that Sheeva comment, has got to be one of your worst.

Ed Boon is not going to personally ban you from Mortal Kombat if you agree that you wish moves weren’t recycled, or if you agreed that certain things (subjective/objective/whatever) could be better...but no, all you do is find an excuse.

Theres not a single bad thing...everything is so "silly" or "not a big deal".

Come on man!!! I want to hear your real opinions! I actually want to read your thoughts without knowing what you are going to say already, without your opinion being repetitive or predictable. wink

The game looks awesome, Im definitely getting it, but hey, it has to be improved.


Just where do you go when he talks about MK:D grin ?
For me nothing is perfect and nothing will be .But sometimes people speak about something stupid and you want to make them stop by using it is just great .

Also queve you have gone off the topic .I mean if this turned out to be a topic to talke about members then you will be the main person to talk about .
Ever since Midway shown Sonya you start saying THNX MK TEAM ,She is great , His moves returned and alot of these words .
I respect you but this is really not the place to complain about someone ..

No back to the topic :
We never tried how the 2D style can play with this gen .so we will wait and see .So far the game is following MK4 not in everything but in many thing and Iam happy as I really liked MK4 .However Did midway think about how the games sites are gonna rate this game ??
Many of the sites these days dont care about playing the game for more than 10 mins unless it is GOW or MGS .They will just play one fight and then put a score ...
Trust me they dont love going backwards nor they love games with old history such as MK furious
I will have to wait and see .

queve dont take my words seriously as Iam really happy that you are happy with sonya ....Thats really came from my heart smile
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fedegita
07/18/2008 11:42 AM (UTC)
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A 2D fighting style... so basically this is going to be more primitive than the last game. I'd like to say how bewildered I am that people think this is a good idea, but ... you know, this is "let's lick this turd and call it sweet" MK fan-base.

To be fair it MIGHT end up being good, but the fact that they're putting so much emphasis on freefall and Test Your Might, and now that they've admitted to reverting back to a 2D style of fighting, says they're not taking the gameplay all that seriously.
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