*Hugs ErmacSco so he doesnt think I'm being mean with my post*

I love you ErmaSco, but you have to take off your knight in shining armor costume, because there isn’t even a dragon placing MKF in danger, if you get what I mean.

Buddy, this is a discussion board, you should already know by now how things work in forums.

And I know about MKD, but that’s not remotely close to the point considering I stated what I left quoted above in my first reply (its up there for you).



LOL. *blushes* Well, I cant help it if Im that popular (j/k ) And it seems you haven’t noticed, but fallowing your logic, you’ve gone off topic as well.

But considering this is a discussion board, and a topic where people are commenting about what they liked and didn’t like, my posts are 100% justified because Im not asking MKF to talk to me about soccer, nor am I asking him to talk to me about the faults he finds in the president of the United States....

...At all. -_-

If we were all limited to what you are trying to make us be limited, just to stuck-up to MKF (when you really didn’t even need to because he and me are having a formal talk), then no one would really be allowed to comment on anyone’s personal view or opinions.

And you are very wrong.

So with all due respect, draw back your defense mechanism buddy, you don’t need to “help” MKF with his responses, because Im addressing my questions to him, and Im certainly not attacking him (nor you just in case ). This is a discussion board after all. ^_^



And that makes absolutely no sense. Sorry.

And again, stop being so defensive, no one is complaining about anyone: Toxic dislikes the Fatality because its similar to a classic, MKF says is no big deal because the difference is that the person isn’t killed, I want to know why everything people comment about is of little importance and for him to tell me what he doesn’t like about the game since he keeps saying no game is perfect, so by this logic we are:

On Topic
Having a civilized conversation
Having a forum board discussion
And no one is being a jerk to no one.

I was about to enter with one of huge my well known and well thought responses with your Sonya comment above, which makes absolutely no sense, because despite me being in love with how perfect she looks and seems to play, I’ve openly stated what I disliked of her, this time, being the screw up they did with her render. Trivial or not, is my opinion as well as others.

But then you said this:



Then I guess theres no need for my huge killer response , because I wont take you seriously.





Not play the game for more then 10 minutes? What makes you think that?

I guess the only reason anyone would play the game for just 10 minutes to be able to rate it is because the game is awful and boring.

Same here always a pleasure.

Ohh, no, no not at all dude lol I'm not saying the game is perfect, actually I'm saying the opposite. That no game is perfect, of course you have your poor games, mediocre games, good games, great games and excellent games but none will ever fall under the category of "perfect" know what I mean? We live in an imperfect world, so you'll always find someone to find something or besides that every game has some kind of "glitch" or bug even if it's minor one, you know?

The eyeglowing thing is trivial only because for one. We've only seen just those two, if every character has it then I can see perhaps bringing it up, but at the same time not going "nuts over it" to me it's no different then the background going pitch black every time someone does a fatality, yet you never hear anyone complaining about that? Know what I mean? And secondly it's an early build, little demo so there's bound to be lots of unfinished things...so I'm honestly sure Ed would address that anyway, E3 is to demo what you've done "so far" obviously the people who see this at E3 know this as should the fans. This goes for every game, not just MK obviously.

Anywho, on your question ok. The things I worry about honestly are gameplay, this should be #1(at least the fans who care about a good game) without a fun, solid game who cares about anything else from costumes to special moves or yes even "eye glowing"....lol or some other say more ridiculous things on here which you have to admit are just silly like Flash's lips or Sonya's "Jawline" I mean come on....these characters aren't porno stars or entering a beauty contest so yes I will say that shit is trivial.

Of course I like to see alternates, cool bios etc, etc but to me that's a bonus. First thing I always care about is gameplay, as should most people but I can't speak for everyone, just my opinion.

@Fed, you have to realize that most MK fans that care about the gameplay "want a more 2D game" as oppose to the fans that want flat out 3D since a lot have been disappointed with the 3D games, not to say I don't like any of them, I do just some more then others and also SF4 is taking the SAME route man, and it's receiving great feedback. So why not MK do something similar? Fact of the matter is, it's not going "primitive" it's going oldschool mixed with new technology and newer elements such as the insane supers in mid air, running thru walls, hot graphics and klose kombat. Last time I checked, that stuff wasn't in any oldschool MK game. If it works better and is a lot of fun, who cares? I guarantee you most MK fans if polled (especially the ones that have been around veteran MK fans since MK1+) most would want a more oldschool element brought back rather then some of the stuff implemented within the past 3 MK games. Everyone has their own preference and there's still side stepping so it's still a 3D game for "those 3D buffs" but will play like a 2D game for the people who don't like the 3D tactics. Best of both worlds if you ask me because they give you the option.

Still not that conviced, but this video made the game look better than expected.

LMAO @ your siggy MaxDam. Poor Montaro. v_v

I like how they are going back to a simpler design, because that's their niche IMO.

If I want to play a more advanced fighter, I'll play something from Namco or Sega, It's not gonna happen with MK.

I think MK would be great with just a few moves, fast paced combat with a 2D style combo system, so it doesn't feel so restricted.

Like MK4 with actual martial arts, instead of the same attacks for everybody.

It looks like that's what MK vs DC is like, so I'm pretty happy with it.

I'd love to see an MK game on par with DOA, Tekken, VF, but it's not gonna happen, so settle for something more elemental but still fun.

Not gonna happen? SETTLE for something that MIGHT be average?

I could careless how bad the gameplay has been over the last 10 years or so, I shouldn't have to settle for mediocre gameplay. Ever.

They wanna make MK games just for sh*** and giggles, then go ahead, but it'd be nice to at least have 1, just 1 freaking game for those who want a deep, quality fighter.

Don't take this the wrong way Bleed. I'm not trying to attack you or anything, but I just felt compelled to respond to that comment. MK has had such wasted potential for so many years, and I'm so sick and tired of watching that potential live in mediocrity.

Well all of these games dont have a chance .
MK ALL THE TIME AND ALL THE WAYS .

Thing is not saying you per-se but some players will act or use the word "advanced" as if it's a superior meaning, which isn't true since everyone knows the older MK's and SF's worked great and can match any fighter now or back then in terms of popularity and gameplay.

But I feel if it works, despite a 2D game or 3D game then so be it. Still, in saying so it's a game that can and will be played at high level, advanced or casual level. Which is a good thing from what I'm seeing.

MK is on par with other fighters, just because it's not them doesn't mean it's not on par. MK and SF are simply more appealing to casual and hardcore fans alike, besides Tekken 6 isn't nearly as good as the past Tekken games from everything I read, hear and seen have to admit.

But I guess we all have our preferences, MKvs. DC will sell huge regardless and easily match any other fighter on this side of the world, mark my words

I noticed Ed Boon say that they are going to stray from the pre-programmed combos and allow for more user defined combinations of attacks.
Personally, I didn't have a problem with the pre-defined combos but I also liked the user defined ones as well. I want to see a Mortal kombat game that allows for both. Killer Instinct Gold actually pulled this off and the game was one of the best although underrated. (I think MK 3 allowed for both types to co-exist in one game) they should bring it back.
Someone mentioned Mortal Kombat sitting on a lot of unused potential. I can agree with that.

I also liked the aerial combat of MKA, it would have been nice to keep that and throw in some air projectiles as well (In the opening fighting sequence they showed Baraka shooting a blade at Kung Lao while airborne yet you couldn't do this in the game). Probably the only frustration that I have with the series is their tendency to try something new and very good and then scrap it when the next game comes out.

I have a question for all the MK fans out there. Why is it that we love this game so much? For most of us we grew up with this game - why then, is it still so popular - with so many exhibiting such passion over the series? I really want to know your thoughts about this. Somebody, anybody, everybody please answer that for me!

We've seen them try and come out with mid core results over and over...

They can't give what they don't have, for what ever reason. Lack of understanding, time restraints, fan base, whatever.

The 2D games were better IMO, even though they suffered from the same types of problems.

MK on a technical level with Tekken, VF, DOA, SC... It's like a news paper vs the Internet, at least so far. That doesn't mean MK can not be played at high level. Exploit what you have to work with, like any other game.
In my opinion, MK can not compete with these games on their turf. MK has it's own flair though, the atmosphere, special moves and stuff which I still find interesting.

MK VS Street fighter, I think street fighter has/had better game play but MK was more brutal and cooler looking overall. MK always had what I saw as really annoying design flaws, but the rest was good enough to keep me interested.

I definitely disagree with some of that ^^ but it's fine, especially your last part design flaws I'm assuming you're referring to "character design" in which I' d say MK owns the other fighters easily as well as storyline.

But I do believe that just like any fighting game series, they all have their "good games" and their "not so good games"

Let's take a few examples here, and why VF, Tekken, DOA and SC are also at times flawed just like MK and SF has.

VF3 and VF4 took a lot of heat for disappointing, VF4 could go either way but it was't the best in the series....

Tekken 6, between the fan receptions, altering gameplay mechanics, my good friends that I know from here and other sites that love Tekken telling me it sucks compared to past Tekken games and them making it more appealing to the casual fan(god forbid that....right?...) and videos I've seen compared to past games and the lack of online play until of late Namco (the last go go online with fighters)has their flaws as well. But a little fact about the Tekken series that's hardly mentioned, they got all their ideas from VF series anyway...

SC3=sucked, glitchy, infinites, no online play and can't compare to SC2 or SC1. Worst of the series thus far. And now SC4 is taking a similar route that MK and SF did with crossing over with SW characters and taking similar ideas from MK/SF with fatality supers which the creator even admitted he was inspired by MK and SF for the "critical finish"

SF EX and SF The movie weren't that great, I don't think I need to go into much detail....lol watch vids, play them and you'll see why

KI-lasted two games then died real fast, enough said.

MK games, MK4 disappointed and was rushed and is among the worst MK game ever made but me personally I'd put MKD up there too in terms of gameplay. Definitely the two worst in the series overall out of the fighting games.

DOA3 had some issues that were addressed in DOA4 which is the best DOA indeed.


So, I do feel that every fighter including MK, SF can compete with the likes of the other games. Every series at some point or another has made a game that's not "so hot" compared to some past titles within it's own respected series, so no fighter is perfect or flawless but like I've said before, if it's playable, fun and works well then who cares?

No need to compare because every fighting game is different from each other and unique. That's why you have lots of fans of ALL these games.

I get a kick on how a lot of you want the game to be more like Tekken or VF or Soul Calibur. Here's an idea, go play those! There's enough fighting games to follow both the deep 3d and the classic 2d. Street Fighter 4 is taking the right route and so is Mortal Kombat. When Tekken and the other games came out they changed how fighting games were. It sure as hell didn't mean those before needed to follow. Both series have tried the 3d style, and failed! MKvsDC is a 2d style, deal with it, get over it, quit bitching and go play Tekken.

No for God's sake don't go play Tekken! Tekken died after Tekken 3! :o
Mortal Kombat! :D

The thing is that those that complain about MK not having similar fighting mechanics like SC, VF or others is because I guess we all want MK to be better than those. It easy to say go play those instead.
But I think it is worst to marvel at every crap the MK team pulls off and accept what they do and to overlook the flaws.

Well, anyone that thinks that doesn't know shit about MK games history ^ all I'm gonna say lol

TheOmni you're right dude.

lol, I don't know anything about MK history? You made my day!
Please come with something else if you plan to insult my knowledge about Mk history. And I was talking about the gameplay. Learn to read!

No mean to insult anyone, but can't help but to laugh at the ignorance posted concerning MK and false nonsense on here yes I was referring to gameplay actually. MK, MK2, UMK3, MK:DA, MK:SM I suggest you play those games instead of judging off MKD or MKA.....

Not ALL MK games lack in gameplay just like other fighters, some are more flawed then others, do some more research next time and I can read well but thanks

I don't mind the 2D focus, except it's not truly 2D. I'd prefer something like Guilty Gear if MK is going to go back to 2D again.

Or just flat out 2D MK/SF with no sidestepping, if you want "true 2D" I'm just happy they give you both options. There's going to be the 2D fans vs. 3D fans, this game will offer both options which I like. It's not 100% 2D, yet not 100% 3D either

Now you are the one not making sense at all. History and now you go back talking about the gameplay?
Fyi, I played all MK games escept MKA. Don't know why you keep saying that i need to go back and play these. Well MK and Mk2 yeah.
You like MKDA, MKD? Fine, I still find that they are utter crap.

That's what we were saying, that's why some of us are happy it's going back to 2d. I can understand what you're saying though Max, I wouldn't mind a really great 3d MK, but it's Midway, it ain't gonna happen. So we should be happy they're gonna quit trying and go back to the basics.

Dude, what are you reading? You obviously misunderstand what some of us are are saying....I'm saying you shouldn't and can't judge based off of those titles....like every series, there's the stronger/better games and weaker ones.


That's fine that you feel they're utter crap, in fact MKD I agree with you gameplay wise but not MK:DA. MK:DA is actually the most balanced factually out of the past 3 3D MK's. But like I said, the good, playable MK's MK, MK2, UMK3 and MK:DA are all very good games. The side games are good too except for MK:SP, but those aren't fighters so I'll keep them separate. MK:A is actually better then MKD but since you admitted yourself you never played it, you don't really know then. MK:DA was a good game, compared to MK4 and MKD it was very good but we all have our preferences.

Cool.

I perfectly understand about caring for gameaply, but you have to realize that just because you consider those things an “extra bonus” or “trivial” at the moment, doesn’t mean the majority feels the same way, and it certainly doesn’t mean that that majority are obsolete and indifferent in regards to gameplay.

But aside from a tiny bit and small mention of all characters having their eyes glowing, you haven’t mentioned one thing you don’t like. Sure its an early game, sure its not finished, but hey, I want to know what you don’t like about it so far.

Not a “well, the eyes glow but since we’ve only seen 2 is trivial”, because that means that’s something “you don’t dislike”. So that doesn’t count.

So what isn’t making this game perfect, according to you?

You can care all about gameplay, that still doesn’t mean that the other things aren’t important.

As some of the creators in the TRU podcast so wisely said, its like caring to either have wheels or gasoline for your car. Both are important in their way, aren’t they? Or else, the car wont work. And if you give it a little amount of one of those, it will eventually die.

I really don't know why people are still finding reasons to bitch out the new game. Sure it's not Tekken or SC, but IMO it's better. We are all on this site because we love Mortal Kombat. So why do half of us sit here and do nothing but wine and moan about how it's not a super complex fighter with super realism. It's Fucking Mortal Kombat, it's never had a large amount of realism, so why would you ask for it now. Midway is making up for some of their gameplay problems in the past three titles with this next gen game. I don't know, you guys can keep acting all you want, but just because you think your ideas for an Mk 8 are better than midway's and some things aren't going exactly how you imagined it, don't take it out here and tell REAL Mk fans that they are ignorant for actually being hype for this game.

:D

I know, it's like I said man I can't speak for everyone but there's a lot of majority of fans that do care about the gameplay first over everything else.

To me there is no such thing as perfect game, no game is perfect but if I had to choice between say a third alternate for Scorpion or awesome gameplay and say more online options, something like that. Then I'll choose the second one easily, it's really a nobrainer for me anyway.

It's impossible to please "every" MK fan out there, that also goes for other series, games, movies whatever. You'll always find someone to complain or be disappointed with something.

Exactly dude, but sadly especially on this site you'll always find complainers or people that are just never satisfied despite how trivial they may be. And yes indeed sir you certainly bring up a good point, we are on here(or at least guys like you and me) because of MKO mainly, thus it's dumb to bash it. Help it out or give advice for Midway? Sure, but rip it? Retarded IMO, especially for some reasons of which you've read on here who hates Batman, or DC or Flash's lips....I can go on and on but then again that's why there's an official rant thread for people that either get off on bitching or like to rant about something.

I agree dude, I'm pumped for this game. I was always excited and curious about the idea from the beginning, but now after seeing gameplay, more vids, characters etc I'm really hyped for it.