lol stupid mko scrubs

Yup, and people who whinge and moan about how others should play the game their way, and talk about how their losses "don't count" because they choose not to play the game for what it is and end up losing to somebody who used better strategy by using superior tools to win DO earn admiration? Admiration from who? Other scrubs and newbies? Yay.

...Who cares?

You can sit there and cry about how people are beating you and how everybody should play the game your way because you said so, and pull on all the people you can't beat because you choose not to beat them, and i'll leave you in the dust while I destroy opponent after opponent with my God-tier created character, until I met the other group of high level players and the real challenge begins. The game sets the rules, not you, and when the game says "you win," then it's decision is final. It doesn't say "you win, but you cheated by using a huge combo so that win doesn't really count and your opponent actually wins instead". When the game says a player has won, then that player has won regardless of what you think, your opinion doesn't count, Midway didn't design the game to accomadate your opinion.

To put it bluntly, honour doesn't mean shit because it doesn't exist. It only exists in your head, and it's all subjective, and what you claim is honourable, I would find dishonourable. At the end of the day all that matters is the facts, because facts are absolute, and you can argue about whether or not you lost to a "cheap" player until the cows come home, but it won't change the fact that you lost. "But I lost to a cheap player!"...But you still lost. "But he only beat me because he abused a glitch!"...But you still lost. Your win/loss record won't read "2 wins / 3 losses, but 2 of those losses don't count," your win/loss record will read "2 wins / 3 losses". Period. The aim isn't to be the most honourable player, the aim is to win, which is why when you deplete your opponets life bar it says "you win" and not "you have the most honour." Nobody is going to care about how honourable you are if you always lose.


Perhaps barring infinites (although perhaps not), EVERY good player who knows the glitches and 90% damage combos are going to be using them. If you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen and don't play the game.

Please do read this.

Hahaha, woot, good to see you around, Col.

Ok, now before I go to bed lets take a moment and look at a few issues.

It isn't out yet, how can you talk bad about it, blah blah blah.......
It's called "track record." MKDA was BROKE. Not oppinion, FACT. MKD was REALLY BROKE. Not oppinion, FACT.

The difference between an "oppinion" and a "fact" is quantafiable; IE, a fact can be measured. You can be cute with your little "you know what they say when you ass-u-me" but, the FACTS of the track record stand. The continuation of the same, core, mechanics that make up those facts has stayed the same; from MKDA to MKA. Actually, from MK1 to MKA, lol; but, we didn't know any better until about MK2/MK3.

Honor this, honor that; and respectible players yadda yadda....
There is no such thing as "honor." We are talking about a fighting game, not fuedal japan with samurai. Now, people can point to Sun Tzu's, The Art of War and Sirlins work - both of which everyone should read, especially art of war. I prefer this quote:

"Fighting never good, but if must fight, WIN." Mr. Miyagi.

The point of fighting, the point of conflict is to WIN, to come out on top, to survive. Yes, you can have fun doing so - kinda like how MMA guys smile when they get rocked in the jaw and give the dude who hit them a thumbs up; I mean seriously, WTF, lol. Anyway, you play to win. Or, at least, you sure as hell don't play to lose.

You can't be pissed at a kid who abusses the flaws of a game. It's the old adage, "don't hate the player, hate the game." It's the designers responsibility to ensure such crap is not there in the first place. It's their job to take out the exploitable content such as infinates, pure 50/50's, glitches, etc. They are paid to see that those do NOT make it in.

Besides, please define for me the word cheap. You can't, it's an arbitrary word used to disassociate one self from responsiblity. It's not that you need to get better, it's that the other person was "cheap." Now, if such cheapness is deamed as FACT - IE, is quantafiably measurable - then it is broke and needs to be fixed, by the designers. It's their fualt, not the kid abusing it. The kid is only trying to get the win. You see, it's full circle.

Look, MKA is turning out to be just another MK based on the tried and flawed MKDA/MKD mechanics. Mechanically, gameplay wise, it's going to blow. Fun? Hopefully. Functionally adequate...yeah, right. Same mechanics, same issues. Parries dont mean shit, don't kid yourselves. Air combos eleiminating infinates? What the hell? Uh, NO. Just more stuff for problems to make a home with.

MK needs to be rebuilt from the ground up, period. Kinesthetics don't give players any read on moves. I STILL don't see a proper dash, which is ghey, seriously. That's like a sprinter lining up with out their blocks.

In the end, MKA is going to come out, its going to have TONS of issues gameplay wise. The haters will have been right, just as they were with MDA and MKD. Then the cycle will start all over again and end ONLY when Midway proves otherwise.

That MKA presentation was comedy GOLD. I can't pick what was funnier. Boon trying to put down other 3D fighters realistic jumping engines, him trying to explain the parry system while showing the worst parry system in fighting game history (same as MKDA's), or him flat out saying the game is going to be a guessing game. Also, Boon not knowing what a wake-up game is and not knowing how to answer such a complicated question. Too good.

I give it up to Midway. They continue to top themselves with each new MK making each one 10x worse than the one before it. I don't think that's ever been done in history by any fighting game developer.

To the people saying it's too soon to judge, people said the same thing about MKD before it came out. That game turned out to be terrible. This game will even be worse.

LOL @ when this game comes out and it's broken down. Oh gee whiz by golly I can't wait.

Errrr... Okay. The only thing I was talking about was infinites. If you've made a KaK that does a legit 90% damage combo then you've made a badass and who's to tell you not to use them. If you made a character with a 3 hit combo that just happens to be loopable and could potentally be a billion hit combo if really you wanted to it to be is another thing entirely.

I don't plan to enter any tournaments anyways. If tournament champions win by explioting flaws and loopholes then they can have them.

^Dammit KJ, you beat me to it! Still, I can't help myself:




By "dominate" I assume you mean win countless games? I really don't think you can call them losers if that's the case.




Be upset because those infinites exist in the first place, not because people dare to use them.



What exactly is "cheap"? Anything that causes you to lose?




Yes! Respectful losses are much more honorable! That's all that really counts at the end of a match! Wait...





No, but everyone loves a winner.





That's all well and good, but don't turn around and complain about losing to superior characters and how "cheap" they are.




Wrong. Just 25% of the people who bothered to vote.





Well, it is a fighting game...




huh?




So instead of taking a loss like a man, accepting the reasons for your loss, and attempting to take your game to the next level, you're going to run away. Very nice. Scrub.




Half true. It is a mistake on the part of the developer, but it can also be repaired, at least in the next installment. Unfortunately, the MK team doesn't know enough about fighting games to fix the problems that are left over from fucking MKDA. A game that was released in '02. Sad.




Wrong. It is the game's core fighting mechanics that allow a character, standard or custom, to be broken.




Disrespectful? Wtf? Sensitive much are we? And again, you're wrong. What will happen is good/high-level players will find ways to compete with and beat whatever tactics come their way. Scrubs like you will give up and play against other scrubs using your own made-up rules that the game itself does not, nor will it ever, recognize.





ROFLMFAO! You know jack shit about fighting game tourneys, then. I'd love to see your scrub tourney.




What's it like in your world of dillusion? Is the weather nice?



This, my friends, was a clear glimpse into the mind of a scrub. The scrub mindset really does fascinate me. They will call the best tactics of the game "cheap" or "dishonorable" (lol). They will say that they are above using such tactics because, while of course they do enjoy winning, ultimately they're just playing for "fun", and that winning and losing isn't as important to them as it is to the "cheap" players. But here's the kicker: They turn right around and complain about their losses. Makes absolutely no sense to me.

lets hope they keep the MKD version of Kitana 100% eagle claw juggles

Two horrific games and you guys still don't get it.

This game will be crap, I don't have to wait for E3 to see some more horrible gameplay footage.
In November when Boon said that this game will use the same engine,
that's when I and all of you should have realized this game will suck.

The engine is so horrible, no matter how much revamping and testing they will do the game will still suck.
You cannot have a fighting game with a frame data like MK, no wake up game, no throw escapes, no reversals, universal tracking, no proper dashes.
This game is doomed to failure unless they will use a completely new engine.



And for the guy who said I probably suck at MKD,

LOL

Pffffft, you ain't that good. You probably only win because you're "cheap" and have no honor.

You know, all of this really pains my heart.

Of course it's Boon & co's fault that MKDA and MKD were so bad and that MKA will most likely be just as bad, too. But all the same I can't help blaming this pool of countless turds that pops up every time a new MK game is in the works and being hyped. It's their stupid, arrogant, immature (and badly spelled) opinions and frantic love for spamming that caused this shit as well.

Oh, and look at how indestructible they all are. Infinites, glitch combos and insanely overpowered characters are cheesy, but not Boon's fault because he's God. Seriously, these people depress me more and more every time I come here. Noobs, if you think in terms of "cheese" and all that shit, don't bother playing fighting games OR: change and adapt.

-VQ

Well, the discussion is endless.

Now, let's imagine:
1- that MKA get off the infinities
2 -that parries will be well implemented
3- that wake up games are in and MK made them superb
4 -that we have frame data
5 -that we have a lot of different throws
6- that we have throws escape
7- that we have ...

The question is: With these imagination MK should be:
A - BAD
B - MEDIOCRE
C - GOOD
D - AWESOME
F - THE BEST OF THE BEST

Well, we're just imagine...

Now the purpose of this is to let people know that MK has potential but needs more. More doesn't need to be all the stuff, but some and well implemented.

I liked so far some things in the videos. The Aerial Kombat, The parry (better have one), the faster gameplay, possibilities to escape specials.
But hope these thing won't be broken as well.

For a final note:
Someone wrote this:
4) How can you defend against a character you don't know?
It will ruin online play.

Well, for me this is what it shoul be. Not knowing your adversary gives a lot of more for a fight. It will be more unpredictable. The scene of frame data or frame advantage only counts if you know your opponent better and you character. Otherwise you're just guessing. Because of this i think it's a good thing of having KaK online. Although, it will be useless if these character were broken and have annoyng infinities.

Seti1

You know. I am tired of this thing. Even if the gameplay looks horrible, I will play the game. A lot. It seems that people that complain want us to not play the game, to leave MK and get other fighting games. Well I am not. I will play this game.

No. It's not like that at all.

The so called "complainers" use DOA, Tekken and VF etc. as examples to point out the basic fighting game mechanics that Mortal Kombat is missing and needs to have so that it can compete as a fighting game.

I can't wait for MKA!!!!!!

I'm leaving this thread. All the complaining is giving me a headache. Why? I haven't seen once in 6 years that Boon has listened to any of ya'lls good ideas to 'fix' MK for good. So when are the 'complainers' going to stop acting noobish and wake up and realize they aren't being listened to? Hmmm, good question. With that in mind, that makes almost everybody here look like idiots instead of just the "Boon lovers". I mean, okay. Honest question. Why would the MK team bother fixing this game up when they are just throwing the engine out in the garbage in a little over half a year? All this game is suppose to be is just a Trilogy type game for the current-gen consoles and a way to end this story once and for all, so a new generation of MK can be established probably in 2008 on next-gen consoles. This game is NOT supposed to be ground-breaking. It is NOT suppose to feature 70% brand new shit. It's NOT suppose to have a completely re-vamped gameplay engine. All those ideas I'm sure are being saved for MK's first next-gen game. That's what I don't get. Everyone is saying what's wrong with the game and what should be fixed before it's release. What they need to realize is, that is NOT what this game is suppose to be. It's the finale of a trilogy, not the beginning of one. If it's going to be a broken piece of shit, then don't play it. Let the rest of us enjoy it as I'm sure a good deal of us will. If you want a better engine, wait till 2008. Will I come straight out and admit it's going to be broken? Yes. Will I probably bitch about the problems? Yes. But do I realize most the hardcore problems won't be fixed until it's thrown out and the new engine for MK8 is brought in? Yep. So I'll still play and enjoy this game. I'm just being realistic here.

Who gives a shit honestly about Noobs? I n00bed, thats true, but even so people did not gave a shit about it. It just proves how futile is to make up ruler or any other things that are subjective if you seriouesly want to play in a competitive way.

And if MKA flops, so be it. MKDA and especially MKD were not quite good at selling, no matter what that delusional Loon said on his intersiews. If the good majority of competitive players wont get sated than MK is going down the drain

...in a well deserved way if Loon will not think about it. Currently this engine is the of Mortal Kombat.

Yeah yeah guys, I know it all Boon's fault. No fault on the abusers part at all in anyway.

Midway puts in a fault, and then all day and all night for months and years, it just "Waaaahhhh!!! stupid broken game! But for god's sake don't hold anyone who exploits the feature, the ones who were ALLOWING the problem to ruin the game, responible.

I fact verbally crucify anyone who even suggests that the players could have ANY responsibly in allowing a flaw to ruin the game for everyone.

I was wrong to hold a respectable view of some of you. You're a bunch of whiny, self-hating boobs who have nothing better to but rip on game you obvisously hate and have no hope for on every level. Do you just enjoy complaining endlessly about things?

Have your glitch won tournament victories. While your at it, shoot up a bunch of steriods, enter the Olympics, win, then blame the drug dealer when your victory gets questioned. "I wouldn't have shot up if they hadn't offered"

I going to find a place with a sunnier attitude, like a sucide ward.

I don't think it looks HORRIBLE at all. You just need to sit down and think about it.

-GoL

Guess what? You're a scrub.




So then what you're saying is instead of the MK team failing to create a technically sound fighter, it's the players who refuse to play by your unofficial, made up rules that ruin the game? Guess what? You're a scrub.

Fighting games that devolve under high levels of play are bad fighting games. That is solely the fault of the developers, not the players. Scrub.





It is not the players responsibility to make up imaginary rules to ensure that the game is fair, nor is it the players responsibility to play by those rules. Scrub.





Do you enjoy babbling off your uninformed, idiotic opinion, with absolutely nothing to back it up, to whomever will listen? Oh, and God forbid anyone here loses the respect of a random scrub. Oooooooooooh.





Continue to live in your fantasy world with your made up rules.





Oh, I'm sorry, I see your scrub mind still doesn't comprehend. You see, in sports, things like steroids and performance enhancers are outside the scope of the game. Thus, anything outside the scope of the game itself that gives an unfair advantage is justly banned. The same applies for fighting game tourneys. Gamesharks and hacks are not allowed, because they are outside the scope of the game, and can allow players to do things the game normally would not allow.

However, things the game naturally allows players to do will always be fair game, no matter how "unfair" your little scrub mind may think those things are.





Have fun playing with the other scrubs. Here's a quick question out of curiosity. Where can I find the official Scrub Rulebook? The game itself seems to make no mention of it.

r u stupid? this is going to be the king of all mk !!!

Ah, noobish charm.

Can somone plZ close this topic, I hate topics like MKA is gonna suck, and these fags never played it, and they dont know shit about the game, and theres like alot of months till the game releases, the game isnt even near done for cryin out loud,

That made me lol for some reason.

Threads like this should never be open...this is an example of whats going


random person-"MKA SUCKS MAN"
random person 2-"DOES NOT!"
random person-"DOES TOO"
random person 2-"DOES NOT"
random person-"DOES TO-- AHH SHUT THE FUCK UP OK?!?!?!?!


NO ONE GIVES A SHIT ABOUT HOW YOU THINK A FUCKIN GAME THATS STILL WORK IN PROGRESS IS GONNA TURN OUT!!!! YOU THINK ITS CRAP, GET OUT OF THE ARMAGEDDON FOURM YOU DUMB ASS BITCH!

These threads are made to discuss the aspects of the game, no to dis or defend it.......You wanna bitch about a game you havent played, get the hell off of MKonline.

yikes