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TheAdder
06/25/2008 01:16 AM (UTC)
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IDK, Mike, Mr. J may occasionally justify his acts with some sort of reasoning, but as Bruce has pointed out many a time, there is no reason behind the Joker, no tragic past, no sob story, no quest for vengeance. At the core he does it all for the laugh.
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06/25/2008 01:17 AM (UTC)
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TheAdder Wrote:
IDK, Mike, Mr. J may occasionally justify his acts with some sort of reasoning, but as Bruce has pointed out many a time, there is no reason behind the Joker, no tragic past, no sob story, no quest for vengeance. At the core he does it all for the laugh.


Which is scary as hell.
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Deathbearer
06/25/2008 01:30 AM (UTC)
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Holy shit..for the lulz..Joker's a member of Anonymous! :O
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TheAdder
06/25/2008 01:31 AM (UTC)
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I mean, just to demonstrate how totally off his gourd the man is:

He once disfigured an entire species of fish and then tried to get a trademark on them. When government employs tried to explain to him that you can't trademark natural resources, he began to kill them.
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Deathbearer
06/25/2008 01:33 AM (UTC)
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That's not really too psychotic. It's actually rather stupid. I mean now if he went on a random killing spree blowing up schools and what not then maybe I'd consider him psychotic.
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TheAdder
06/25/2008 01:36 AM (UTC)
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Off the top of my head, I know he once gassed a kindergarten class room.

The point I was trying to make is that there is no rhyme or reason behind the shit he does. Sometimes it's just ultra-twisted, sometimes it's almost funny, but it always involves murdering as many people as possible before he's stopped
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06/25/2008 01:42 AM (UTC)
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TheAdder Wrote:
Off the top of my head, I know he once gassed a kindergarten class room.


not good enough. XD make it go boom! All the little kiddy blood and guts and burning backpacks bwahahahahahaha....

shit man I'm sick o.O I should get help
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06/25/2008 01:46 AM (UTC)
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Deathbearer Wrote:
TheAdder Wrote:
Off the top of my head, I know he once gassed a kindergarten class room.

not good enough. XD make it go boom! All the little kiddy blood and guts and burning backpacks bwahahahahahaha....

I don't know....leaving their corpses with deformed grins is pretty twisted.

He also shot Batgirl in the spine, took her clothes off, took photographes, and then forced Commisioner Gorden to look at each one.....just to prove a point.

Speaking of which...
TheAdder Wrote:
IDK, Mike, Mr. J may occasionally justify his acts with some sort of reasoning, but as Bruce has pointed out many a time, there is no reason behind the Joker, no tragic past, no sob story, no quest for vengeance. At the core he does it all for the laugh.

Maybe. If his origin, as depicted in The Killing Joke is indeed true, then he does have a fairly tragic past.
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06/25/2008 01:48 AM (UTC)
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ProfesserAhnka Wrote:
TomTaz Wrote:
Ummm, K... I think he meant take it to the PM's.. as in Personal Messages. I don't think it had anything to do with PMS.


I think ice-idiot is trying to be "funny".


Okay, seriously, I misunderstood something, doesn't mean you have to make fun of that. So there's no need to continiously making fun of me for that. All of you grow up, please.

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Icebaby: Do you know anything about the Joker at all? Just wondering.


And yes, I do know, I just don't see him as MK material for this game. And if he makes it, oh well, then I was wrong.
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06/25/2008 01:53 AM (UTC)
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Havik’s probably the first one most people think of, makes sense too.

Quan Chi is another one that could be an interesting parallel. Besides the two looking similar (white skin), Joker in “The Emperor Joker” storyline reminded me of Baraka’s MKGold ending, just how nihilistic Quan/Joker’s views/ultimate goals are. Also Quan Chi apparently likes to ruin people just to do it. Ex: Scorpion/Sareena/Noob Saibot.
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06/25/2008 01:54 AM (UTC)
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XiahouDun84 Wrote:
TheAdder Wrote:
IDK, Mike, Mr. J may occasionally justify his acts with some sort of reasoning, but as Bruce has pointed out many a time, there is no reason behind the Joker, no tragic past, no sob story, no quest for vengeance. At the core he does it all for the laugh.

Maybe. If his origin, as depicted in The Killing Joke is indeed true, then he does have a fairly tragic past.


"Sometimes I remember it one way, sometimes another... if I'm going to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice!" ~ Joker
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06/25/2008 01:54 AM (UTC)
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Honestly, if both were in the game I think Havik would wipe the floor with Joker....lol
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Deathbearer
06/25/2008 01:55 AM (UTC)
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XiahouDun84 Wrote:
Deathbearer Wrote:
TheAdder Wrote:
Off the top of my head, I know he once gassed a kindergarten class room.

not good enough. XD make it go boom! All the little kiddy blood and guts and burning backpacks bwahahahahahaha....

I don't know....leaving their corpses with deformed grins is pretty twisted.

He also shot Batgirl in the spine, took her clothes off, took photographes, and then forced Commisioner Gorden to look at each one.....just to prove a point.


Not my style. I like it messy grin screw a class, take out the whole damn school

and about the photo thing..is there a particular reason he made him look at nude photos? I mean unless they're related {which IDK since I don't read Batman} then what's the point? To prove that he's a necrophelliac?
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06/25/2008 01:57 AM (UTC)
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Deathbearer Wrote:
XiahouDun84 Wrote:
Deathbearer Wrote:
TheAdder Wrote:
Off the top of my head, I know he once gassed a kindergarten class room.

not good enough. XD make it go boom! All the little kiddy blood and guts and burning backpacks bwahahahahahaha....

I don't know....leaving their corpses with deformed grins is pretty twisted.

He also shot Batgirl in the spine, took her clothes off, took photographes, and then forced Commisioner Gorden to look at each one.....just to prove a point.


Not my style. I like it messy grin screw a class, take out the whole damn school

and about the photo thing..is there a particular reason he made him look at nude photos? I mean unless they're related {which IDK since I don't read Batman} then what's the point? To prove that he's a necrophelliac?


Batgirl is Commissioner Gordon's daughter.
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06/25/2008 01:57 AM (UTC)
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Deathbearer Wrote:
XiahouDun84 Wrote:
Deathbearer Wrote:
TheAdder Wrote:
Off the top of my head, I know he once gassed a kindergarten class room.

not good enough. XD make it go boom! All the little kiddy blood and guts and burning backpacks bwahahahahahaha....

I don't know....leaving their corpses with deformed grins is pretty twisted.

He also shot Batgirl in the spine, took her clothes off, took photographes, and then forced Commisioner Gorden to look at each one.....just to prove a point.


Not my style. I like it messy grin screw a class, take out the whole damn school

and about the photo thing..is there a particular reason he made him look at nude photos? I mean unless they're related {which IDK since I don't read Batman} then what's the point? To prove that he's a necrophelliac?


Batgirl, at the time, was Barbara Gordon.. Commisioner Gordon's Daughter. So it was VERY sick. *edit* oops, someone beat me to it.
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06/25/2008 01:59 AM (UTC)
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TheAdder Wrote:
"Sometimes I remember it one way, sometimes another... if I'm going to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice!" ~ Joker

Which is why I said:
If his origin, as depicted in The Killing Joke is indeed true....
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06/25/2008 02:00 AM (UTC)
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Deathbearer
06/25/2008 02:01 AM (UTC)
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eeeeeeeeeeewwwwwww

it'd be like a thousand times worse if Joker made him watch as he..did things to her...wow I really am evil.

Excuse me while I get an excorsist done.
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06/25/2008 02:06 AM (UTC)
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XiahouDun84 Wrote:
TheAdder Wrote:
"Sometimes I remember it one way, sometimes another... if I'm going to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice!" ~ Joker

Which is why I said:
If his origin, as depicted in The Killing Joke is indeed true....


I know, I was just pointing out it probably wasn't, you know. Which also reinforces my point about there being no reason behind Joker.

Sure, he claims he did everything in the Killing Joke in order to prove a point that anyone could be him after just one bad day, but really he just did it because he's a sick sadistic maniac.
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06/25/2008 02:09 AM (UTC)
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picture of joker killing Jasson Todd with a rock Please,

somebody post it, im to lousy to look.
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06/25/2008 02:19 AM (UTC)
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PapaRoachFan Wrote:


lol damn bitch went down,lol
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06/25/2008 02:24 AM (UTC)
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lol



(and stupid batman let him escape in the end of the story if i remember well.....)
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06/25/2008 02:25 AM (UTC)
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TheAdder Wrote:
IDK, Mike, Mr. J may occasionally justify his acts with some sort of reasoning, but as Bruce has pointed out many a time, there is no reason behind the Joker, no tragic past, no sob story, no quest for vengeance. At the core he does it all for the laugh.

Batman and Joker have to be two of the most diversely interpreted characters, so I definitely wouldn't say either answer is right. For the most part, I just think the best conceived and considered interpretation of the Joker is more than just pseudo-random chaos -- which is why his long association with one character works.

Everything Joker does ultimately has a methodology, which is how Batman's usually able to catch him. The keys to the levels of success Joker attains are due to not having a single MO, but rather a constantly reinvented and newly chosen one.

As a Detective, the best versions of the Batman need clues to draw deductions and hunt down his villains. One-note villains can be anticipated, but Joker's strength is forcing a new logic in every case.

XiahouDun84 Wrote:
Maybe. If his origin, as depicted in The Killing Joke is indeed true, then he does have a fairly tragic past.

Which was canonized quite recently, and brought the Riddler into it (as an incidental bystander). Don't know how the Prime-Punch effected that, though. You could imagine something like that getting inserted and removed repeatedly...

I probably prefer to live with that origin. It might not do much for the mystique of the character, but I don't know if that's necessarily a bad thing.
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TheAdder
06/25/2008 02:28 AM (UTC)
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It's actually a crowbar

I can't find one of the full beating or of Joker blowing up the house with Jason Todd in it, but here are a couple of pics:

http://www.geocities.com/jokercdi/jkrart11.gif

http://www.quickstopentertainment.com/comics101/images/2005/aug3/discovery.jpg

http://bdcomics.bdgamers.net/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/bm-death-in-the-family.jpg
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06/25/2008 02:33 AM (UTC)
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Mick-Lucifer Wrote:
TheAdder Wrote:
IDK, Mike, Mr. J may occasionally justify his acts with some sort of reasoning, but as Bruce has pointed out many a time, there is no reason behind the Joker, no tragic past, no sob story, no quest for vengeance. At the core he does it all for the laugh.

Batman and Joker have to be two of the most diversely interpreted characters, so I definitely wouldn't say either answer is right. For the most part, I just think the best conceived and considered interpretation of the Joker is more than just pseudo-random chaos -- which is why his long association with one character works.

Everything Joker does ultimately has a methodology, which is how Batman's usually able to catch him. The keys to the levels of success Joker attains are due to not having a single MO, but rather a constantly reinvented and newly chosen one.

As a Detective, the best versions of the Batman need clues to draw deductions and hunt down his villains. One-note villains can be anticipated, but Joker's strength is forcing a new logic in every case.


However, having a method behind whatever chaos he is causing does mean he's not being chaotic. He has no real reason for doing the things he does, he just does them, and despite the fact that Joker is constantly reinventing himself, that is one of the things that remains constant.

Other villains have actual goals, they aren't doing things just to do them, Joker's only goal, however, is the act he is commiting.

For example, Riddler or Two-Face rob a bank, they're doing it to either make some money or fund some bigger scheme. Joker robs a bank and he's usually doing it for the sake of robbing the bank and nothing else. And even when he does it to get funding for a bigger scheme, that scheme usually has no goal other than mayhem.
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