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posted04/20/2008 01:26 AM (UTC)by
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Let me preface my rant by saying that this game won't be any more of a failure than MK: Armageddon was. It's already set to sell more, that's a fact. MK: Armageddon was a disaster on all fronts.

Now about everyone complaining how Batman ruined MK:

Where were all these people who needed to listen to me 2+ years ago when I along with a few others said that MK needed a solid grapple system? How about when we said MK needed a decent wakeup game? Or frame advantage? Nobody listened then. But, yeah, let's make people listen now because "OMG it's BATMAN!" Now I hear about people selling off their MK collections and claiming to be done with the series forever.

If people are that psycho to sell off entire collections because "OMG BATMAN" then so be it. MK doesn't need people like that dragging it down. And, yes. People like that DO drag it down. The fans that ruin the MK name by caring more about blood than a grapple system that actually works. Thus leading to the game being the laughing stock of the industry. Thus, ironically, leading to the company behind the game to need to get Batman in the picture to save it.

So, in the greatest of ironies, it's the people who wanted "OMG FATALITIEZ" (who are now selling off their collections) who are actually indirectly responsible for Batman being involved to begin with. Don't blame Boon for siding with Batman. Blame Boon for not making a fighting engine worth a damn which FORCED him to have to side with Batman.

I'm just pretty pissed off right now. Where the hell was this fervor when we were asking Boon to make a decent fighting engine? Why weren't people bitching back then? Why weren't people selling their collections when it turned out MK: Deception had 300 infinites and glitches up the wazoo? WTF is wrong with this fanbase? 300 infinites? A-OK! But, BATMAN!? FUCKING BATMAN!? I'm done with MK forever! Good logic, there.

I swear, I'm glad these people are selling their MK collection. I don't want them around anymore poisoning one of MY favorite franchises. I'm very happy about MK vs. DC. You know why? It's pissing off people who weren't there when we needed them to be. It's pissing people off who weren't pissed off when they needed to be. Back during MK:D's development. Back during MKA's development. Where was this anger then? Hmm?

I am so pissed off at all of you right now....sooooooo pissed off. Where were the internet petitions protesting the infinite combos in MK:D? Hmm? Where was the outcry at all the bugs and glitches? WHERE? Everyone pissed off at Batman, take a good look in the mirror and say "Because I didn't complain back then, MK sunk so low they had NO CHOICE but to beg DC to save them."

Yes, it is MK8. Not some side game. It should be MK8. You know why? Because nobody helped our little core group out. Nobody cared about what we said when we demanded a good fighting engine. Nobody listened. And now you reap what you sow.

You know, if the game ends up sucking ass it won't be because of Batman. It'll be because of the thing nobody seemed to care about back when it mattered. It'll be because of the thing nobody was selling off their collections in protest over. The damn fighting engine. But it's only now that people are signing petitions and selling off their MK shit. Because of fucking Batman. Where were they when MK:D had at least 2 infinites per character? Oh, right. They were playing it and talking about how awesome Nightwolf's fatality was and how 1337 the hara-kiris were.

You have no idea how happy I am that this game exists. The people who it's pissing off are the people who never helped push Boon & Co. to build a functional engine. We wanted throw escapes back then. We wanted decent wakeup back then. We wanted proper frame advantage back then. And we didn't get shit. You wanted fatalities. You wanted "OMG BL00D" and you got it. Hey, how does it feel to be in my shoes from back then? My how the tables have turned. A little vindictive of me, maybe. But, meh. You deserve it.
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methos75
04/18/2008 11:24 PM (UTC)
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I agree 100%
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04/18/2008 11:28 PM (UTC)
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04/18/2008 11:30 PM (UTC)
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I love you
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04/18/2008 11:37 PM (UTC)
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TonyTheTiger Wrote:
Let me preface my rant by saying that this game won't be any more of a failure than MK: Armageddon was. It's already set to sell more, that's a fact. MK: Armageddon was a disaster on all fronts.

Now about everyone complaining about how Batman ruined MK:

Where were all these people who needed to listen to me 2+ years ago when I along with a few others said that MK needed a solid grapple system? How about when we said MK needed a decent wakeup game? Or frame advantage? Nobody listened then. But, yeah, let's make people listen now because "OMG it's BATMAN!" Now I hear about people selling off their MK collections and claiming to be done with the series forever.

If people are that psycho to sell off entire collections because "OMG BATMAN" then so be it. MK doesn't need people like that dragging it down. And, yes. People like that DO drag it down. The fans that ruin the MK name by caring more about blood than a grapple system that actually works. Thus leading to the game being the laughing stock of the industry. Thus, ironically, leading to the company behind the game needing to get Batman in the picture to save it.

So, in the greatest of ironies, it's the people who wanted "OMG FATALITIEZ" who are now selling off their collections who are actually indirectly responsible for Batman being involved to begin with. Don't blame Boon for siding with Batman. Blame Boon for not making a fighting engine worth a damn which FORCED him to have to side with Batman.

I'm just pretty pissed off right now. Where the hell was this fervor when we were asking Boon to make a decent fighting engine? Why weren't people bitching back then? Why weren't people selling their collections when it turned out MK: Deception had 300 infinites and glitches up the wazoo? WTF is wrong with this fanbase? 300 infinites? A-OK! But, BATMAN!? FUCKING BATMAN!? I'm done with MK forever! Good logic, there.

I swear, I'm glad these people are selling their MK collection. I don't want them around anymore poisoning one of MY favorite franchises. I'm very happy about MK vs. DC. You know why? It's pissing off people who weren't there when we needed them to be. It's pissing people off who weren't pissed off when they needed to be. Back during MK:D's development. Back during MKA's development. Where was this anger then? Hmm?

I am so pissed off at all of you right now....sooooooo pissed off. Where were the internet petitions protesting the infinite combos in MK:D? Hmm? Where was the outcry at all the bugs and glitches? WHERE? Everyone pissed off at Batman, take a good look in the mirror and say "Because I didn't complain back then, MK sunk so low they had NO CHOICE but to beg DC to save them."

Yes, it is MK8. Not some side game. It should be MK8. You know why? Because nobody helped our little core group out. Nobody cared about what we said when we demanded a good fighting engine. Nobody listened. And now you reap what you sow.

You know, if the game ends up sucking ass it won't be because of Batman. It'll be because of the thing nobody seemed to care about back when it mattered. It'll be because of the thing nobody was selling off their collections in protest over. The damn fighting engine. But it's only now that people are signing petitions and selling off their MK shit. Because of fucking Batman. Where were they when MK:D had at least 2 infinites per character? Oh, right. They were playing it and talking about how awesome Nightwolf's fatality was and how 1337 the hara-kiris were.

You have no idea how happy I am that this game exists. The people who it's pissing off are the people who never helped push Boon & Co. to build a functional engine. We wanted throw escapes back then. We wanted decent wakeup back then. We wanted proper frame advantage back then. And we didn't get shit. You wanted fatalities. You wanted "OMG BL00D" and you got it. Hey, how does it feel to be in my shoes from back then? My how the tables have turned. A little vindictive of me, maybe. But, meh. You deserve it.



Would you really like to know what the whole problem is?

Since MKArmageddon was released we've all been wondering what's next for the MK Universe? Who dies, who lives? Who's going to be in control after Blaze? Which endings were accurate? What happens to Taven?

Thanks to this extreme change, we will never know.
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EagleClaw4
04/18/2008 11:40 PM (UTC)
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Heres the thing though

Most gamers are to stupid to understand what in the hell a wakeup game is. So the core fanbase is concerned with fatalities, blood and storyline. MK was built on blood and fatals and thats what gamers recognize it for.

It would be nice if we had a a fanbase of people who understand fighting systems and liked blood at the same time, but we don't.

So I for one don't deserve to see the DC thing happen.

I really hope someone gets so pissed off at them making this game that they go on to make the real MK8 aka their own game.
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SubMan799
04/18/2008 11:42 PM (UTC)
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I can't believe everyone hates this idea so much. The MK story is already dead, leave it be. We have to focus on the Gameplay aspect as much as possible. We are getting a reboot in that, which is what matters the most. Are all of you guys actually saying you liked the original MKs because of their gore instead of the gameplay?
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EagleClaw4
04/18/2008 11:46 PM (UTC)
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Hey scorpio is that your listing?

If so props to you man! lol grin
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TheKrypt
04/18/2008 11:46 PM (UTC)
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Lol @ selling all mk shit on ebay. Watch that user feel stupid once MK vs DC is considered a great fighter. =P
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04/18/2008 11:50 PM (UTC)
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Sum things up: People need to grow up and get their heads out their asses. Crying won't change a thing, it only makes you look pathetic.

Actually I think they're working on the grappling system. This whole Klose Kombat thing where you grapple and exchange blows like a street brawl or kick boxing kind of thing. It sounds pretty interesting, also the mid air fighting was cool... I dunno if that counts as a klose kombat grappling.
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SubMan799
04/18/2008 11:51 PM (UTC)
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TheKrypt Wrote:
Lol @ selling all mk shit on ebay. Watch that user feel stupid once MK vs DC is considered a great fighter. =P


lol, couldn't help but laugh
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outworld222
04/18/2008 11:51 PM (UTC)
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Yeah TTT. Something is Fucked here. People saying their collections? If there is anything positive that came out of this is getting rid of lame nerd fans like that.

Now with that being said, what the hell are you saying? Where was I when you guys were talking about the grapple system? Are you freaken kidding me? Noone on this board makes the decisions about the grapple system. You can bark like a dog till your voice goes gray, but it ain't happening. I have no freaken idea why you guys think you are fighting mode experts. Boggles the mind. And don't give me that Tekken VF shit. I'm not buying it.

Now back on the theme of the past couple of days, let me say I am shocked, saddened, disappointed, and heartbroken.
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ErmacMk5
04/18/2008 11:53 PM (UTC)
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Dude...I fucking love you.

Seriously...this was a great post.

I'd also like to add that while I don't think the cross over makes sense, that people need to lay off dissing DC. DC is one of the most respected entertainment companies in the world; their comics have been read since our granparents were kids, and will be read long after we're gone.

To say MK, the laughing stock of the video game community is too good for DC, a company that has been met with critical acclaim in just about every form of media they've entered, is ridiculous.
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04/18/2008 11:55 PM (UTC)
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SubMan799 Wrote:
I can't believe everyone hates this idea so much. The MK story is already dead, leave it be. We have to focus on the Gameplay aspect as much as possible. We are getting a reboot in that, which is what matters the most. Are all of you guys actually saying you liked the original MKs because of their gore instead of the gameplay?


You're not getting it!

We wanted to see the blood and gore presented with the new fighting engine. We wanted to see fatalities done with the Unreal 3 engine. We wanted BOTH! Blood & Gore AND Great Gamplay.

In the past, (1990s) fans wanted to see MK in 3D. Why? Because they wanted to see blood and gore in a new form. That's what we wanted here! Blood and gore in a new form!
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I do not give a fuck about story in MK games! Never have, never will!

04/18/2008 11:56 PM (UTC)
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bullshit. armageddon was really cool. I dont care about wake up game (what ever this is), grapple system and all the other crap. mk was fine for me just because it was mk and I got what I was expecting to get. and now the ruined the mk feeling. they could pull out the best fighting engine and graphics of all time and I would shit on the box rather than buying it
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foahchon
04/18/2008 11:58 PM (UTC)
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Well, this is kinda what happens when people get into a series purely because of gimmicks in the first place. I think most of us got into MK back when it's popularity peaked, during its first two games, and the two main drivers behind that popularity were blood and finishing moves. Since then, some of us have matured a little bit, and have expected something more substantial to come out of the series. It's a fine example of a game's fanbase (or at least a portion of it) growing up, while the game itself hasn't. I have to wonder whether MK's development is even focused on the wants of the older generation of fans anymore, or whether it's paying attention to the younger generation who is still generally dazzled by things like blood and gore.
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04/19/2008 12:09 AM (UTC)
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TheKrypt Wrote:
Lol @ selling all mk shit on ebay. Watch that user feel stupid once MK vs DC is considered a great fighter. =P


its my friends collection, and no he wont feel stupid. neither will i.

after all the shit game the past few years, i was expecting something great...hell, we all were. and this is what they come up with after a 2 year wait? fuck that.

and like tony said, where the hell were all these bitches before mkd and mka???

its not just "batman" ive givin them too many chances. been let down too many times. this was the straw that broke the camels back.
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04/19/2008 06:26 AM (UTC)
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I think the main problem is that Ed Boon and Co. couldn't code a decent fighting engine to save their lives.
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04/19/2008 06:28 AM (UTC)
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TonyTheTiger Wrote:

Where were all these people who needed to listen to me 2+ years ago when I along with a few others said that MK needed a solid grapple system? How about when we said MK needed a decent wakeup game? Or frame advantage? Nobody listened then. But, yeah, let's make people listen now because "OMG it's BATMAN!"


I don't know what forum you were on but I remember a truck-load of people around here complaining about the fighting engine even before MKD came out. There were some amazingly detailed threads covering just about everything we could imagine needed fixing (and I'd put my money down that Boon DOES visit this website. Maybe even regularly). The only people who complained about fatalities and shit were 12-16 yr olds who didn't even like MK up until Deadly Alliance. (EDIT: Ok, a bunch of silly older people did it too, but we'll just keep pretending they don't exist)

The reality dude, and I'd have thought you of all people would realise this, is that Boon CHOSE to listen to those people instead of spending time reading a 10 paragraph post on what needs to change in MK's engine. The one's who wanted a better engine expressed themselves pretty clear IMO and their numbers were more than enough to make a difference (had Boon chosen to listen to them)
EDIT: After doing some thinking I'm still very against this idea, but if I'm mistaken and they show they HAVE somehow made a miraculous leap in the fighting engine (cos really we can't see much from the trailer) that'll make up for this garbage concept they've conceived and I'll eat my words.
Bezou Wrote:
I think the main problem is that Ed Boon and Co. couldn't code a decent fighting engine to save their lives.

You know what Bezou? You're right. Unfortunately we just kept giving them the benefit of the doubt (unwise decision, it was)
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04/19/2008 06:32 AM (UTC)
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scorpio Wrote:
TheKrypt Wrote:
Lol @ selling all mk shit on ebay. Watch that user feel stupid once MK vs DC is considered a great fighter. =P


its my friends collection, and no he wont feel stupid. neither will i.

after all the shit game the past few years, i was expecting something great...hell, we all were. and this is what they come up with after a 2 year wait? fuck that.

and like tony said, where the hell were all these bitches before mkd and mka???

its not just "batman" ive givin them too many chances. been let down too many times. this was the straw that broke the camels back.



Ok...ok, but I don't get how you have THAT MUCH MK stuff, and then just give it all up. Are you Bi-Polar?
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SwingBatta
04/19/2008 06:50 AM (UTC)
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ErmacMk5 Wrote:
While I don't think the crossover makes sense, that people need to lay off dissing DC. DC is one of the most respected entertainment companies in the world


Bill Gates created an empire with Microsoft, revolutionized the world of home computing and is worth billions. That doesn't mean we would want him in an MK crossover, though.

Although I'm quite pissed at this turn of events, I'm not about to go off the deep end and suddenly get rid of all my old MK merchandise. That just seems silly.
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You-Know-Who
04/19/2008 07:27 AM (UTC)
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I disagree largely with the original post. What you're saying is that what you wanted for Mortal Kombat is the only justified thing to want? What's wrong with liking a good story, and solid gameplay that doesn't necessarily take ages to master?

There is nothing wrong with feeling let down because something goes in a direction you don't want it to. You had the right to feel let down when MK didn't become the most technical fighter on the market. People have the right to feel let down now when the series goes in a completely different direction.

Also, I don't think Boon was forced into this. I think this is a publicity stunt, and that Boon sees Batman, and he sees money. He sees a new comic deal for Mortal Kombat, and perhaps bigger backing for another MK film. This is the series' attempt to not just become an icon of fighting games, but becoming an icon of the media industry. In recent years, the release of Mortal Kombat games has not been as heavily promoted as say a Mario release, or Grand Theft Auto. MK vs. DC is probably going to have promotion up everywhere, if merely because it has Batman on it.

Boon chose this path, I feel, and I think his rationale is that the ends will justify the means, when Mortal Kombat gets popped into more homes than ever, these iconic characters become interesting again, and Mortal Kombat comics focusing solely on the story aspect of the series are sold.

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reptile88
04/19/2008 08:02 AM (UTC)
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Good post,now the "true" MK fans are doomed,the time of laughing has come...say what you want,whine all you want,i'll give this game a chance no matter what others have to say.
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04/19/2008 08:56 AM (UTC)
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What a great post. Some good people are still here. And I wanna add something else.

MK has been out of the spotlight since 1997 not for the lack of blood. It's been that way because the gameplay was just so so so bad it became a joke for the gaming world. Lets think of something:

Imagine there's a new "Call of Duty" - Call of Duty 5. It looks good, it's dark and scary. When you shoot someone he explodes and pieces of flush are thrown at the camera. Isn't that lovely. There's only one problem. If you press L2 you have won the level. You're objective is complete and you move on to the next level. That's right, just one button and all of your enemys are dead.

Do you think someone will actually play it? Do you think someone will play Tekken 6 if can take Nina and kill your opponent in one hit. Do you think someone will play GTA if it will have more than 300 major glitches like MKD had? NO!! nobody will play it and it will be joke, just like MK is right now.

MK had to do something drastic to return to spotlight and that's exactly what Midway has done. Now, if you want MK to stay alive focus on the engine this time. MK - a FIGHTING GAME, hasn't had a proper FIGHTING ENGINE since freaking 1995. As the great Lucy Liu Said in Kill Bill Vol.1 "Now is the fucking time"


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