I do care aoubt the gameplay and I understand that this is a chance for the team to fix many problems involved with it. However my main concern is the storyline and a DC invasion of the MK universe is BS. I don't know where that puts me, but I don't care. I wonder how Vogel feels, I mean really?

First of all, this is easily the best thread on here in probably eight months.

Tony, of course I agree with your post but it is time to face reality - the series has been dead for years. It is done. It will remain so until these amateurs sell their copyrights to another company that has the capability to make a solid fighting game that does not just rely on childish and obsolete gimmicks.

Besides, the community does not care about wake ups, throw escapes, etc. Most of them do not even know what these terms mean. As long as there are MK characters and two life bars, fatalities, and buttons, which you can press to attack your opponent with, the vast majority of the community will be happy. These people do not play MK like a fighting game in the first place; they play it more like an RPG; that is, story lines, characters, extra-unlockable features are important. The actual fighting is not. So, if you wonder why there is an outrage over Batman BUT not over the atrocious engine that has plagued the series for years, there is your evidence. Everything is indicative of the community (though, I'd hardly even call it that).

With that said, you know what fighting games to play if you intend to play seriously. MK, at least to me, is more for laughs now more than anything else. You do remember when Malone personally went up to them and explained what was wrong. They promised to fix everything. A couple of months later, Check discovered 100+ infinite combos in one night all by himself.

The series is dead. There are no more expections to be held.

Why I find this abomination bad: I am not a gore fiend, but still, pretty mutch the gore was what made MK distinct from other games like Tekken. And I also think that MK's fighting system was awesome anyway, even though it was a bit hard to learn for the past episodes, but the three fighting styles were really awesome.

Mortal Kombat without gore is not just M.K. It's like removing vehicle damage from Flatout: it would be just another arcade game where you can hit a concrete wall at 180 mph, but still nothing would happen. That was cool about MK, in Tekken or Street fighter you could beat the shit out of your opponent and nothing would happen, here he would at least bleed, which acutally gave your blows a lot more power.

As for Fatalities: They were the things making the characters unique, their signature moves, and no other game had this possibility, or at least not in this way (See primal rage). And how ridiculous would baraka look slicing his enemies without any blood? I don't think he'll even make it to the game, because some characters would look extremely lame without blood.

With these gone, Mortal Kombat will not be Mortal Kombat. I don't care about the fighting system if Scorpion cant spear his enemy, or reptile can't vomit acid on his foe.. Cause I don't think that's T rated material.

As I always said blood is not necessary, but when something is basically based on blood, it is very lame when they remove it. Like the alien saga... AVP was a joke without any really bloody alien action. And even though AVPR had some decent gore it was a piece of crap, which proves my idea: MK consists of two main components: the gameplay, and the gore. Take away either one you will get junk.

Ok thanks for reading.

I wish there was a clapping smiley.

The only thing I will say about your post is that it's all for vengance against the twits that wanted their gimmicks.

I will actually give this game a chance and pray that Boon will actually drop a decent fighting game engine on us. Wakeup game, meaties, frame advantage, move priority, spacing/zoning, no universal tracking, no 50/50 mixup bullshit. Just some of that stuff. Please Boon.

What happened to all those threads anyways? The ones with the people that knew what constituted a fighting game and listed EVERYTHING that should've been put in there?

Thats what I was wondering. I guess the voice of the gimmick geek is louder

"its not just "batman" ive givin them too many chances. been let down too many times. this was the straw that broke the camels back."

100% agree. this is not the first let down, its just the last let down some of us are going to take. we wanted a new mk fighting system with "unreal 3" graphics to show the mk gore better than ever before. sorry to say but i play games like soul calibur for the gameplay, i mostly play mk cuz its fun to rip off my defeated friend's head in the game. mk is really not known for its gameplay, but its over the top violence and gore (though it became silly gore with the cartoony 3D blood).

some people like batman, some do not. some people liked what the saw in the new trailer, some did not. some people will defend their favorite game/movie/music/etc no matter what, some will not.

as for this silly hope that there is going to be some brand new grapple system to make us forget about fatalities (which you know damn well IS the reason mk even became popular), well it sure was not shown in the trailer. if boon's idea of brand new gameplay is just being able to punch as your fall to another stage or grab and throw someone across the screen then we are reacting correctly and for the right reasons.

I dunno what all the fuss is about... If people card so much about story why didn't they complain about MK:A.

MK:A was a complete back flip from MK:D, it was all of a sudden... to many people... big fight... whoo hoo.... lets do this... disregard all MK:D storyline (such as Shujinko killing Onaga) and have a massive all in brawl. So no one can really can complain about story.

And gore?
Who says there won't be gore? Take a look at the video on worldscollide, To me there looks to be plenty of gore, sub-zero kneed batman in the back for god-sakes.

Who knows what this game will be like... everyone should calm down and see whats its like when its released and quit the bitching.

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I'm pretty disappointed in this MK vs DC. I don't usually care for story elements in fighters, but this is just too weird.

Well said TTT.

I'm thinking with all the hoo-haa and fanfare behind having the DC comics characters in the game, there's a fair chance that the fighting engine is going to be quite similar to the past few games (despite Unreal3 engine).

They will already have a fair bulk of the MK crowd buying the games, and then all the DC comics fans on top of that.

Why go to the trouble with the gameplay when they already have a hit on their hands?!

The fact is the MK team had 2 chances to fix up the game from the last trilogy and instead focused on all the bells and whistles.

It seems this is what it's going to take to keep people interested in the MK universe.

All in all good points Tony. However, there is one aspect of MK that people seem to be forgetting, an aspect that fans are equally as passionate about: atmosphere and story.
When I first heard this news, I hoped it wasn't true. I was hoping for a REAL MK8, with all MK characters, a new shot at the storyline, and developing the artistic atmosphere that, while it increased dramatically in Deception, admitedly took a poop in MKA.
Then I heard DC is coming. I was hoping it wasn't cannon. It is.
Then I read the story so far. I have a LITTLE hope return, maybe it COULD work....
That is what I am, and a lot of others, are upset about. They are selling off the story and the atmosphere they created. I hope I am wrong, and I hope that is not the case, and I DO hope it meshes.
Blood? Gore? Not really what attracted me much. The characters, gameplay, and atmosphere are. If they screw with THAT now, I am not sure what to think.
The other thing that gave me a little hope was the gameplay video. Short as it was, it DID show some interesting gameplay and VAST improvements so far. That also is having me want to at least give it a shot.
I still can't get over the choice to use DC...but...it's starting to wear on me.

I agree with you Triple T. But m2dave is right as usual. It's over. It's been over for years. You'll never get what you want so you're better off just giving up by this stage. But one day, maybe ten years from now, the rights to MK will be sold to somebody else, and another game will be made and marketed on Mortal Kombat's successful history. That's when the community banding together and asking for functional wake ups, or a decent oki game, or throw escapes, or whatever else is going to matter, because under Midway's eye it's not worth a shit and never will be.

Having said that, I love this idea because aside from the intrinsic character crossovers, this is going to be an MK game stripped of blood and fatalities and story-heavy rubbish; it's a game stripped of gimmicks. And I fucking love it, because it's a complete slap in the face to the scrubs who've only ever been interested in MK for it's gimmicks but thought it was the greatest thing in the world -- so great it didn't need improving. Well, now they can take a look at what Mortal Kombat really is without it's make up on and make the decision of whether it's really good enough or not. If it turns out to be a good game, excellent. If it doesn't, hahahahahaha. It serves them right.

So are you saying that you will hate this game because people aren't gonna be puking out ten pounds of blood after every single chop? That was stupid, this blood is more realistic. The fatalties are gone, yeah that kinda sucks. But it's not affecting me that much. MK can do without them

Nobody asked for it to be the most technical fighting game or that it take ages to master. Only for competently designed mechanics. Throw escapes are not overly complex and you'd never even notice frame advantage. There was no downside to what serious players wanted. No give and taken or sacrifice from the story or accessibility.


But anyway ya, I too am enjoying the bitter tears.

When people just accept the fact that this is what we are getting, than they'll be alright and will be happy with this.

At least were getting a new MK game right? Its just a one time thing you know, its just to do something for a change. There's always the next MK game to come out and Im pretty sure its not going to be another VS game.


.......Well I hope not lol.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA That is the most pathetic thing I've probably ever seen.

I'll laugh when he regrets this. He'll go insane lol!

What the hell are you talking about "where were the people back then"?

Fans give feedback and that's all. It's not us who make the game.

And don't even start with this back then bs. You say there weren't any around?
Well, I say a lot of ppl. tried to be constructive and helpful.
Even Boon said it in a interview about MKD, that fans wanted more fatalities.
Fans also wanted a good gameplay and not stiff fighting and insta style switching with cheap animations.
Well, never happened, right.
And Armageddon had those cheap custom fatality system.

You think any MK fan would have voted for that crap over original fatalities?

I don't think so.

Boon never asked. And he also never asked the fans about DC.

You think any MK fan would have voted for that crap over original fatalities?

I don't think so.

Exactly. That is why the games suck. You just proved his point.

Very funny.

I didn't say that it sucked. The point was that it sure wasn't demanded by the so called fans.

And that is what the topic starter complained about.

For most of you guys here it's either:

a, a teen rated game with no fatalities/blood but a superb fighting engine

or

b, a gore fest with no good gameplay


You know what I imagine!?

A decent fighting engine, designed from scratch with mature content.

Nothing less.

And that is not happening with MK8 regardless if the game will be good or not.
It's the right content which is missing.

Besides that I never was a fan of crossover games like Marvel vs. Capcom and all that stuff.
And seeing Batman vs. Sub Zero is funny, but nothing I want to play.
A user made flash cartoon on that matter would have been sufficent.

Very funny.

I didn't say that it sucked. The point was that it sure wasn't demanded by the so called fans.

By a few (mostly the ones who know what they are talking about) it sure was.

And that is what the topic starter complained about.

For most of you guys here it's either:

a, a teen rated game with no fatalities/blood but a superb fighting engine

or

b, a gore fest with no good gameplay

No. We want both. We want a functional engine with the gimmicks that make MK great. We only get the latter of course.

You know, it is just a bit disappointing that its a vs. game and not a whats next type of game, im still pretty sure this game will kick ass

TTT, the original post:

I only disagree with some aspects. You are exaggerating 2 things:

1.- We don’t make the game. Your claims were kind of...odd.

and:

2.- There *were* many constructive huge threads about gameplay....HUGE. If they chose not to read them, it doesn’t mean its our fault. If they had to run to “Batman” and “Superman” to be saved, thats because of the dissapointments they gave for many years.

I'm still giving the game a chance, I see it more like a spin off then an actual canon thing, but time will tell.

I hope this game is fun, interesting and great.

I hope they dont fuc* the story again.



You’ve been living under a rock if you never saw the 100000000Xinfinite complains of the disaster that MKA was, in terms of storyline (and overall).

It can be summed up in one sentence, really.

People are more outraged over Batman than they ever were about the idiotic engine that was only made worse over the last five years and I find that absurd. Yeah, we had our threads. But there was never such an outcry over the infinites as there is today about Batman. Nobody sold off their MK collections back then. And why not? Clearly because Batman is more offensive than 100+ infinite combos. That's what bugs the hell out of me.

I totally agree with you on just about every aspect except for the fact of MKA being bad "on all fronts" it did have flaws but it was definitely wayy better then MKD was from a gameplay standpoint, that's a fact and at least they implemented the proper gaming mechanics like the wake up, parries etc that helped out.

To elaborate more on your point, well that's exactly what I've been saying the past few days...

Most of the fans that bitch, bitch and ohh yeah..bitch about this game A. have no clue what they're talking about to begin with(like you said, fatalities and Batman are the most utterly retarded reasons for knock this game months prior to it even coming out not to mention after the FIRST day of news in which these same "so called mk fans" bitched for months on end about "Midway give me info on MK8, cry, cyy where's info" then when we get it? What happens...ohh yes the same typical, ungrateful, ignorant MK fans come out of the woodwork to shit on a game they have no clue of other then seeing a teaser video...wow

To add to your rant, I'm also pissed. Pissed at the fact that most fans (the haters especially) don't have their priorities straight with the MK universe....

-Nobody gives too shits about someones bio not being long enough, you want a story go read a book, MK's storyline has always been pretty damn good considering other fighters flat out SUCK BALLS or have little depth. Either way one ended and now there's a new beginning.

-Secondly, honestly anyone who thinks this game will suck because "OMG, OMG there's no fatalities" doesn't have a clue what they're talking about. The whole Fatalities were one of the key things that appealed to MK fans in the first place, yes...they were about 10+ years ago....notice when we got MK4, MKDA and MKD THOSE SAME FANS still bitched about "someone fatality not being good enough" or someones. Hell, I'd even be willing to be that most of the fans on here that complain about this game weren't even born or around during the earlier MK games except perhaps a few....Boon did say if you people who hate MK now in the vids that there WILL be finishers, that's something very similar to a fatality for those who don't know...

-Another thing, why the hell is it that because Superman and Batman or DC in general is involved that people think "Ohh crap, OMG MK is done, it's doomed WTF is going on?" .........please, cry me a river ok because apparently people forget Snake being in SSBB series, SW characters being in SC series, Marvel vs. Capcom years ago and much of the same happened but once fans came to realize that the actual games were good(SC4 we don't know yet) they shut up and accepted it for what it is...lol seriously some people are acting as if this is the "first crossover with different characters" ever to be made and doesn't have a chance. Wrong.

This MK vs. DC is NO different. Some people are already shitting on it out of sheer arrogant ignorance and stupidity. I'm sorry but that's the truth, not to mention "judging a book by it's cover" is the worst thing you can do because chances are if you already hate the game now, you'll hate it when it comes out so don't waste your time or money and let a true MK fan buy it. Amazing, the games 7 months from being released and already "the game sucks" to certain people...



TTT is right on with the gameplay issues and certain fans priorities, more important issues because if the game plays like crap then what's the point in exploring anything else in the game? Exactly....a game has to be judged "whole" not just based off of one or two little things that weren't implemented to your personal delight...like someones costume, a gorey fatality, someones bio being too short or because "Batman" is in the game....these are NOT the right reasons to bash MK vs. DC. Not to mention as I said before, the game isn't even out yet for Pete's sake...


It's like I said with MKA, the fans bitched about having everyone in it..we got everyone in it and still there were unpleased fans about "Khameleon or Chameleon either way" give me a break....

Fans asked for better konquest, we got the better konquest.

Fans wanted bios, we got bios..ohh wait that's right god forbid they stop writing "important bios" to work on a much more important title called MK8 right? right....

Or someones costume not good enough, so the game sucks...


Much I've come to realize of these fans that complained about this petty, trivial crap in the past few games are much of the same fans bitching about MK8 now.....or just flat out DC haters.

This is what I've come to realize, there's no pleasing "certain " MK haters" on here and other MK sites ohh I'm sorry "MK fans" with MK games anymore...Midway can't win no matter they or Boon does, we asked for change, we got change...and still some fans aren't pleased....hopeless.





My rants done.....here's hoping for newer fans, more openminded fans to come.

as i said before. he doesnt regret it, and he wont...at all.

hes been pretty fed up with mk for a while now. he damn near said fuck it when mka came out. when this was announced, it was just time for him to move on. not just from mk, but gaming in general.

if people would have payed attention and actually cared about the core gameplay, then this shoit wouldnt be happening right now.