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03/26/2007 10:16 PM (UTC)
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also Lone: Im uptodate with Naruto, episode 225 was the last one i think. I havent gotten around to seeing the movies though. They are all on youtube. Currently im watching a little bit of Trinity Blood and somewhat of Hellsing, whenever i get the time.
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amviorix
03/26/2007 10:34 PM (UTC)
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many people saying that they can parry drahmin's 11cs ok then
i do not see anyone doing it?

any one want to checkon my quan chi wink for he firt time i trainned him and
i think he is ready for som good games.
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03/26/2007 10:45 PM (UTC)
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I can come online right now. You can try your bo, drahmin, and quan on me. Lets have some casual matches.
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03/27/2007 01:38 AM (UTC)
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If anything, online tier lists are pointless. Specific tier lists will vary due to lag.

Check, we have talked about off-line Dairou before and off-line gameplay in general. Scorpion dominates Dairou online because of lag, and not because of Dairou's lack of appropriate tools. Scorpion's f+1 is a lot less safe off-line (especially on whiff where a throw is at least guaranteed). No ridiculous jump kick cancels off-line. No glitch throws, either, off of jump kick cancels. In other words, I have nothing to fear once you jump on me with a jump kick. Everything is interruptable, and side steppable at the worst. In addition, no guaranteed moves from connected jump kicks, either. All this makes it a lot easier for a Dairou player.

Dairou is a lot better off-line. His combos are twice as damaging and consistant. He can actually punish characters' moves off-line while his own moves are 100% safe.

Seriously, Scorpion's f+1 is probably the most "happy-lag" move online along Sareena's f,f+1. They both have bigger hit boxes online and are a lot safer.
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03/27/2007 03:17 AM (UTC)
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I don't know Dave about Sareena's forward, forward, square special. I was able to punish BALLSAC, SUBZERO2, BOOYA, and VERSA a lil bit, when they did it. Especially with Ashrah and Nitara. Nitara with her far-reaching triangle in Leopard and triangle, triangle, square, L1 with the "flying Q-tip", lol. Chameleon punishes it too with circle, circle in Crane not to mention he can easily side step her knives even with the fastest thrower.
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03/27/2007 04:19 AM (UTC)
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dave, i know you dont like online mka, but sayin that online tiers dont mean anything is not true. Even if nothing is consistent, Sareena will win 90% of the time online. Can you deny that? Can you deny that Frost is low tier or Scorpion is top online? No. Because, even if you say its not consistent due to lag, ALOT of the things will remain consistent no matter how variable the lag is. Online tiers exist, maybe there are overlaps in some areas but nothin as bad as you put it. Hows T5:DR playin btw? You said Lee was your fav?

And NAKM, for the love of God, please learn the correct shorthand notations while describing moves. Its very annoying to read things like forward, forward + circle, when you can easily say ff+4. I feel like im back on gamefaqs. Ill write it here for you, just in case:

forward: f
back: b
up: u
down: d

square: 1
triangle: 2
x: 3
circle: 4


Now pls use that notation next time.glasses
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03/27/2007 04:43 AM (UTC)
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SubXer0 Wrote:
dave, i know you dont like online mka, but sayin that online tiers dont mean anything is not true. Even if nothing is consistent, Sareena will win 90% of the time online. Can you deny that? Can you deny that Frost is low tier or Scorpion is top online? No. Because, even if you say its not consistent due to lag, ALOT of the things will remain consistent no matter how variable the lag is. Online tiers exist, maybe there are overlaps in some areas but nothin as bad as you put it. Hows T5:DR playin btw? You said Lee was your fav?

And NAKM, for the love of God, please learn the correct shorthand notations while describing moves. Its very annoying to read things like forward, forward + circle, when you can easily say ff+4. I feel like im back on gamefaqs. Ill write it here for you, just in case:
Sareena will win 90% of the time providing f,f+1 is safe when it is blocked.

Frost has no damn mid attacks while Scorpion is one of the best characters in MK:A.That's a bad comparison,which has nothing to do with lag,but with the tools both of these characters have.

Characters like Raiden, Kung Lao, Drahmin, Sareena, BRC, Kabal, Mavado, etc. are questionable on the tier list if you want to be exact. It depends if their moves are punishable, parriable (inbetween the hits), and the amount of glitches they can do (magic throw, aerial cancels, 3,3, etc.) along with the glitches' ease of use (as the connection is better, the glitches are harder to perform except the aerial cancels).

Hence,it will vary.Of course Kabal will be easier to beat if you can punish Hookswords, u+2 compared when it is completely un-punishable.

Online tiers are pointless. There is no consistency to make an exact conclusion. Of course we do know that Scorpion will beat Frost or Kai online or not. This has nothing to do with lag, however.
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03/27/2007 05:27 AM (UTC)
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Hey! Why do you guys have to rag on Frost? She's decent.................................................................ok no she isn't, lol. And SUBXERO, I'll try to use the abbreviations for the buttons. It's funny how people ask me "Why the hell do you use Frost NAKM?!?!?!" She's got to be top 3 in low-tiers if not number one sadly enough.sad If only she had her other style from MKDA that the red-haired bitch, Kira, took.furiousfuriousfuriousfuriousfurious Frost would kill with Yuan Yang.
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03/27/2007 02:10 PM (UTC)
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My online Sareena isn't safe at all. I get punished all day long with her. Her ff+1 attack is so unsafe
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03/29/2007 04:28 AM (UTC)
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Not with me.

I remember Hotaru vs Sarrena a little while ago. You were able to spam ff 1 all day and it was 100% safe. The only thing I was able to do was bf 1 and attempt to punish it.

Its all good though. If I were to pick Sarrena and abuse ff1 alot, it would be safe fighting with you to.
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03/29/2007 06:17 AM (UTC)
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BALL_SAC Wrote:
Not with me.

I remember Hotaru vs Sarrena a little while ago. You were able to spam ff 1 all day and it was 100% safe. The only thing I was able to do was bf 1 and attempt to punish it.

Its all good though. If I were to pick Sarrena and abuse ff1 alot, it would be safe fighting with you to.


Is that so? Try me. See if I don't free grab your ass with Nitara everytime you do f,f, 1. tonguetongue
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03/29/2007 06:41 AM (UTC)
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m2dave Wrote:
If anything, online tier lists are pointless. Specific tier lists will vary due to lag.

Check, we have talked about off-line Dairou before and off-line gameplay in general. Scorpion dominates Dairou online because of lag, and not because of Dairou's lack of appropriate tools. Scorpion's f+1 is a lot less safe off-line (especially on whiff where a throw is at least guaranteed). No ridiculous jump kick cancels off-line. No glitch throws, either, off of jump kick cancels. In other words, I have nothing to fear once you jump on me with a jump kick. Everything is interruptable, and side steppable at the worst. In addition, no guaranteed moves from connected jump kicks, either. All this makes it a lot easier for a Dairou player.

Dairou is a lot better off-line. His combos are twice as damaging and consistant. He can actually punish characters' moves off-line while his own moves are 100% safe.

Seriously, Scorpion's f+1 is probably the most "happy-lag" move online along Sareena's f,f+1. They both have bigger hit boxes online and are a lot safer.


and dave, it seems no matter how many times i tell you, you just dont listen

ts is jumpable offline, it doesnt track, i have no need to jump 2 seconds before im supposed to offline

i can just stay on the ground, and play you straight up, without being able to spam ts or free ts off of teleport, dairou is not that good, he also lacks damage compared to kenshi, mavado, ermac, and 90% of others with ridiculously huge combos.

you dont understand dave, you win 90% of your matches because of a unjumpable ts drop, thats where most of your damage is coming from. without that dairou is played in mizong and used the ts drop cautiously. i jump one ts drop, thats pressure, how many ts drops do you land on me? 9 out of 10? you will land 1 or 2 offline, if that.

the ts drop is the most "happy lag" move, stop kidding yourself. although f1 ranks up there with it, regardless, it is scorps best move offline as well, along with f3b3.

thats something else u never mention, how much of your damage do i waste a round with f3b3... maybe 50 percent? i dont need f1, i just need you and everyone else to fear it. b3 also is a great sweep with huge damage.

anyway, online is a disgrace, dont waste ur time making a tier list for it, god knows one should of been made already at least for half of them

later
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03/29/2007 03:15 PM (UTC)
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BALL_SAC Wrote:
Not with me.

I remember Hotaru vs Sarrena a little while ago. You were able to spam ff 1 all day and it was 100% safe. The only thing I was able to do was bf 1 and attempt to punish it.

Its all good though. If I were to pick Sarrena and abuse ff1 alot, it would be safe fighting with you to.


Thats only because we lag together. wink
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03/29/2007 06:12 PM (UTC)
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Does anyone find that scorpion's b3 move is kind of badly messed up with the input for his flip kick special, f,b+3? I mean, you dash in to do a quick sweep, but rather end up doing that mid hitting special move.

Maybe i just suck with scorpion (i tried that out in practice mode once), but i think the button assignments are messes up.
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03/29/2007 06:21 PM (UTC)
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subxero, tap up or down to change the inputs

if you tap forward, IMMEDIATLY TAP UP ( or down if u prefer, i dont ) then back 3, and it will never do the flipkick.

happens all the time bro, and this is coming from the best scorp on the globe ; P

stick with f3b3 dude trust me, the only bad thing that could happen is when its laggy, only f3 will connect and b3 will miss, it gets punished everytime, other then that, its on par with 3u4. only its a low and unparryable

d1 owns d4 is also good

also use 3b1, never use 3u4, its easily parried after 3, and b1 is just as safe as dairous b4 in mi zong

later
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03/29/2007 06:26 PM (UTC)
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Tap up . ( edit ) dude i went to practice mode just tap up . good shit check on da boddom post .
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03/29/2007 06:26 PM (UTC)
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i could make a video for you bro, in practice mode, i think it could help out

i read that u went into practice mode, and let me tell you, i did the same thing, and thats how i learned how to deal with it, most of the time i forget during a fight, or dont feel i have enough time to react, but its how i learned.

i could gladly make a video for you

YOU WONT MOVE UP OR DOWN, just tap it while your still moving forward, and itll work, the step animations in this game are WAYYYYYY too long, very slow.

anyway just let me know and ill go do it

take care
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03/29/2007 06:31 PM (UTC)
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krayziebonethug Wrote:
just cancell it with L2 . it works 4 anything u do .

4 example u press bak but u want a F1 and punish ur opponent but ull throw a spear just press L2 it will cancell your last move . if u really want to do that just walk forward quik ( L1 ) cancel and B3 . its not that hard . give it a try .


haha, thats good shit, too bad my L2 is the CS trigger ; )

FUCK L1 tongue
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03/29/2007 06:40 PM (UTC)
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thx for that tip check, it worked!!. If i might say so, i went a little better on you guys, at least for me.tongue

I just do the qcb+3 motion. Easy for me since im a big Street Fighter and Ken fan.

Tatsumakisenpyukyaku!!
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03/29/2007 06:54 PM (UTC)
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YES!!! exactly, do fdb, that works! ; D

youre welcome man! check ya later ; )
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GAN0N
03/30/2007 05:04 PM (UTC)
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I can parry Drahmins 11cs
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03/30/2007 06:59 PM (UTC)
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Drahmins 1,1,cs is easy to parry after the first 1.

So this is what I do alot to Drahmin users. Block the first 1, then parry, it works easy.

Funny cause I learned this parry from the computer on Arcade mode. He kept parrying my combo after the first 1 so I figured, if the AI can do it, so can I. grin
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03/30/2007 07:05 PM (UTC)
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its parriable offline but usless to try it online . theres far better tacticts than risking drahmins 11 CS hitting u .
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03/30/2007 07:27 PM (UTC)
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Wait till you see me and Versa's matches, I think I parried a bunch of his Drahmin's attacks. wink
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03/30/2007 08:07 PM (UTC)
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its not useless to parry 11cs. If you nullify his main offence, it will make the Drahmin player change his strats. And hope you arent forgetting that parrying leads to damadging combos.
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