derated Wrote:
I have some ideas about Sub-zero and characters...
SUB-ZERO IDEAS:


New Body look

1. He should look like what he did in MK4 but with a Mp40 strapped to his back full of pin sharp ice cubes.

Fatalities

1. Sub grabs the Mp-40 from his back, shoots 15 ice cubes at let's say Jax.....When Sub shoots 15 cubes, Jax should be totally frozen, but blood dripping from where the cubes ended up, then Sub pulls out his sword from MK:DA and slice his head off, causing Jax to fall back, then after 5 seconds, Jax eplodes leaving a streak of ice where he boomed up.

2. Sub aims at the ground, leading a trail of ice from his feet to Jax (enemy), then Sub jumps away from Jax, pull out his sword, slide across the ice, and diagonally slice his body in half!!!!!

New Sub-Zero Robot

1. Robo-Sub, his name shall be..... He should look excactly like Noob Smoke from MKD (obviously Smoke) but with an axe facing out on the back of his head, a mini Ice ray that pops out of his stomach (like the rope that Smoke has) that shoots a huge load of ice. He should have a visor on, and a special unlockable skin that takes off his outside body, showing all the wires, computers and crap inside of him!!!



Thx, hope it gets done!

Email : reymysterio435@hotmail.com
Or just reply back Thx

Asesino Wrote:
PIT FATALITY / DEATH TRAPS

This is simple.

Just make avalible the death traps availible on the second round (only for the one who have taken the first) or in the thurd when both the players have won 1 round.This will make the death traps more ON PLACE.I felt it was really lame in Deception when you push somebody in the meat grinder in the first round and in the second he is alive.
I want to be able to turn the death traps off and when it is turned off I want to perform it in the end of the round like PIT FATALITY and it must look like in the old school mks pits.Dark screen , announcer says fatalaity etc...Also it would be kool if we hear encouragements for the fatalities combos etc - from the announcer.Especially for the fatalities.I really liked those from MK Deception's puzzle.

liusspirit Wrote:
For the topic i think you gyus said it all.Two things that i'd like the mk team to focus are the parry because for me it's simply the best choice for a new stuff in the game.Heck just do it like DOA.The second change i'd like to see is for the projectile attacks like Shang's fire.It would be nice if these kind of attacks become minimum like Deadlly alliance.Just focus on one on one combat.The only thing that is disturbing me is the air combat but it's too soon to say something for sure about this.Thanks for reading.

bleed Wrote:
When designing the game play, try to avoid making the game too heavy on any one aspect that is over powering.

Tekken5 is too heavy on Juggles.

DOA4 is too heavy on reversals and Critical stuns.

MKD is too heavy on dial combos, unbreakable throws, infinites.

I can't think of anything that really stands out like that in VF4.

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T5 is my favorite fighting game, but there's something I noticed while playing it last night.

After playing DOA4, T5 felt boring and repetitive.

I hadn't really noticed that about Tekken5 until after playing DOA4.

In DOA4, you are forced to use different attacks and combinations, to become unpredictable and avoid getting countered.


In Tekken5, players tend to follow the same effective/safe patterns more often, ( This move beats that one every time ) making the matches look a little boring compared to the ones in DOA4.

Like with jin, I use these moves constantly after blocking or to keep the opponent away.

1,2

2,1

df+1, 4

2, 4

1,d+3

f+3

f+4

In DOA4, if a player does this and becomes predictable, they’ll get countered worse than in T5.

The player also needs to vary their attacks after blocking something because in DOA4, your opponent can counter what would be guaranteed in T5 and VF4.

A player has to trick the opponent instead of relying so much on a pre-set equation.

That's something I like about DOA4, I just wish it would be done differently.


Just off the top of my head....

I'd tone down the critical stun for one. Make it work more like the launchers in VF4 and Tekken5, so it doesn't happen as often or last as long.

Then instead of being able to do a reversal during a stun, you could do a timed block / evasion. = H, M, or L individual guard, not like a normal H/M
H/L guard.

That could be a stun breaker, then you could block like normal or do a reversal.

There could be some attacks that flow with different block animations.

Like if there were movie style blocks and evasions.

A Left, outside block could flow with some Right Punch or a Left Kick.
A med block could flow in to a back dash to a spring forward attack.
A L. knee raise block to a L front kick.

Buffer different attacks / moves for different blocks.

The block animations would be pre set.

Then the opponent could cancel some recovery animations in to some blocks, like in real life.

Regular T5 guaranteed block ~ attacks would be semi guaranteed in the sense that you have to JF block against it. And you have to choose H,M or L for that JF guard.



I'd have throws work against stunned or collapsing opponents too. That would enable flashier looking combos and more complexity for the opponent to deal with.


I think something like this could make the fights flow better and keep them looking less repetitive.

bleed Wrote:
I think I missed what you were trying to say, because from what I understand, countering is a very good tool in fighting games. Depending on what move is used to counter another, on block, hit or miss.

Block ~ guaranteed counter attack ( Could be a launcher, knock down, quick poke, throw... )

Hit ~ guaranteed interruption = jab, ss, etc.

Or interrupt a blocked combo with a certain attack = Interrupt a high kick during a combo with a low jab, or some other high crush move.

Example of uses for countering on hit or block.

In Tekken 5, using Jin.

Against Paul's
d+1,2
or
d+1,4

After blocking d+1, you can interrupt with...

uf+4 = launch

2, 4 = Knock down, then follow up with a roll mid launch combo or a down attack.

SS to the Right to avoid the 2nd hit.

1,2


Using Feng Wei

Block a med power move and you get a free 1,2,2 combo.

Block a strong low attack, and get a free WR 2 launch.

bleed Wrote:
I'm usually a safe, defensive player. I tend to stand back, block and counter with a guaranteed attack, or counter a whiffed move.

I tried being more aggressive, like you said. Attack ~ side step, and continuing to attack instead of blocking so much in T5 today for about 3 hours.


It made a big difference against the computer. I can beat the Tekken lords in arcade mode like nothing most of the time.


I was able to land a lot more juggles, and stun combos than normal. Even get behind the opponent for some back stun combos, and back throws.



Good tip

bleed Wrote:
yeah, I see what you were saying.



Some ways to work around that could be to...

* Have a good balance of Passive defense and Aggressive defense options.

* Timed blocks = Recover faster

* Power block = stops opponent's attack and makes them stumble a little., or trip and fall = Like the GI in Soul calibur, or a guard break in Tekken.

* Special moves that flow with certain block animations.

* Side and backwards guard

* Multi directional combos, so you don't keep doing a combo in the wrong direction. instead of tracking, the attacks could change. to side and back moves.

* Blend a block to a ss or back dash

* Attack canceling = kick ~ block if the opponent side steps

* parries and reversals that can cancel block stun = DOA4

* Multi directional attacks = punch to the side = Attacks that shift direction automatically. And then you can still have moves that automatically track left or right.

* Back throw escape

* Give a few moves some auto block, or super armor properties.

* Have some attacks that are blocks at the same time. So, you can block a jab with a back fist, and maybe cause a little damage or frame advantage. Maybe just stunt a combo.