Stretch, excuse my ignorances but what is an OTG? I've asked folks on PAL that question before and no one knew what I was talking about. So let's start defining this shit so we know exactly what we're dealing with. Furthermore, maybe we can make some rules so we don't get mixed up and pissy with each other.

Trax

It's off the ground combo.

I'll get in on this you guys get ready for sub and Liu Kang!!

I know but I actually don't the dynamics or recognize it if I saw it. Any youtube links?


Yeah G_roy, it'd be awesome to have you aboard!

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Looks like people are actually interested in MKD again.

I've just gotten my supreme entertainment centre together, now all I need is my MKD, MKA disks and my Mad Catz controller delivered and I'll be set! YEAHHH BABY!

Trax

Yeah, I'm cool with this ^^. This is one of the extreme examples, but it follows the rules so it's legit.

But, Luna did Throw, jump-back, jump-in kick~FT into a combo. That's not legit, correct? Because Ashrah's Throw, jump-back, jump-in kick is unavoidable/unblockable.


@Trax...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si40rqTSb_Q

Here is an OTG. Watch after Bo does the F3-Throw... He walks up and starts a combo before the opponent stands. Also, notice the damage that combo does after the throw. It's not decreased like if you were to launch somebody.

OTG's:

Bo Rai Cho's throw
Darrius's throw
Noob and Tanya's throw
Ashrah's throw or 2,2,1, CS, 1, 3, F+3 after a pop-up

There's a lot more but I'm too lazy to type them.

Thanks Chaos. I know what you mean now. So it's basically a combo launched when your opponent is pretty much defenseless especially after a throw. That makes sense. Thanks dude!

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On what's legitimate and what's not; this is something I've always had trouble with. Who makes all these rules? For instance, I was watching a noob video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Zm1huIdQCY ... And the title states (100%) legit. How the heck could that be? When we all know damn well that 33 is a glitch. So why class it as legitimate? I don't care if it was only done 3 times , then combo then 33s again... and so on.. Why is a glitch ever classed as legitimate? Same goes for AC.

My problem here is not why do we use glitches but why we try and hide the fact that it's a glitch and stop classing it as legitimate play.

Trax

Any OTGs for Raiden?

Btw, VGGs to KRIS KOMBAT yesterday. Very good Nightwolf, confused the crap out of me.

Personally, if it were up to me... OTG's wouldn't be used in MKD and A/C's/33's wouldn't be used in MKA.

But it's not up to me.

For some people, it closes the gap between their skill and others' skill. For others, it allows them to use less effort and still be effective. Using more effort and having longer matches would be a disadvantage for them because they can't handle it. Then the rest of us are sort of lumped in because we know we have no shot at competing without them against somebody who uses them.

So I use it all.

Ultimately, the answer to your question is... the people that use them are the ones that make the rules. Since their tactic is the dominant one as far as wins and losses, they get the final say.

Hello Everyone,
It takes a lot of courage to try to come back after being out so long. ....
but if Everyone wand play with my , I am Online tonight hope to see you guys ,but only pal

@ chaos. I dont use that move with ash unless somebody does more than one free throw after another. I did actually do that since i saw that jump in with hotaru. But ggs just the same dude..

@ Raidenwins..vggs yeah, your Ns was a pain in ass..fricken smoke cloud after another..

chaos ggs man...but man sometimes you do more than one throw with hotaru...you get throw happy...you throw plant but then my screen flips and you think i can duck but i can't. it happened at least 3 times today...2 with hotaru and one with kobra...

anyeays ggs. i need to play the rest of you guys too.


Chaos, has anyone beaten you in a series since we all started playing MKD again?

@Luna...

What do you mean I did more than one Free-Throw? Hotaru's only Free-Throw is jump-in kick into Free-Throw as far as I know. Is there another? I thought I did Throw, plant, jump-in kick, Free-Throw. You could have blocked the jump-in kick and gotten out of it. You can't get out of Ashrah's.

Not fighting with you. Just discussion.


@Meso...

Same thing... I don't know what you mean by more than 1 Free-Throw with Hotaru. Jump-in kick is the only Free-Throw I know with him. And I can't get that off of a throw... so I don't understand.

If your screen flips on you, that's one thing. But still, how am I supposed to know when it flips? I'd have to never do a throw on my 50/50's.


You guys explain more, cuz I'm not understanding.

That's exactly how I feel. I use AC and while it's fun, I can play comfortably without.


Well, people shouldn't just make some rules that isn't published just because they're better. I mostly hate the fact that you're allowed to perform a glitch a number of times and when you exceed that number you're labeled for it. If you're using glitch then you're using glitch. No point sugar coding it under the 'legitimate' banner. the only legitimate rules are the ones written by the creator. That's my take on it.

Trax

I would suggest we all chill and just enjoy playing this game again.

If we start over analyzing each play then we run into danger of getting all carried away over past series. They more we play each other the better we understand different styles.

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WHERE IS MAH GOD DARN DISK????????

oh and you also did it with boraicho against the wall...throw, f1, side step, throw, f1...i'm dead.

you can get a freethrow off of any side step plant or stun move...so technically you can get a ft off of all hotaru's plants. any sweep is also a ft i think.

so you think your plants are 50/50 with the throw but really they can very easily become semi infinits.

i know you are not doing it on purpose but when you get on a roll and you think it is all legit and i can't do a darn thing about it then yea i am gonna say something.

all this is FYI

I know side-steps are FT's offline, but I never consider them online. In the case of you and Luna... when you guys duck ALL of my FT's anyway, I treat the entire match like a game of 50/50's, including my "should-be" FT's that can't land.

I guess when my easy FT's (Shujinko 4, for example), I don't see how
I'm have time to walk-up to a plant, side-step, and then throw.
I'll try to watch out for them, though.

shhhhhh... Can we stop talking till I have my disk?

All these is making me pee my pants from over-excitement. Please, please stop!!! I'm going home now and my shitty disk better be there!

Peace

You dorks! Side stepping plants are FT's off and online. The only way your opponent can avoid them is if there's L A G or if the person doing the plant to a FT times it wrong.

Chaos, dude, Hotaru has a shit load of FT's.

1 (Ba Shan Fan)
F+1, side step (Ba Shan Fan)
2,2,4 > side step (Pi gua)
1 (Pi Gua)
1,B+1 or just B+1 in weapon > then jump over to get a FT

Oh I just remembered his throw's an OTG too. Yay for me.

Raidenwins ~ I think Raiden's 1,1,B+1 in Jujutsu after a pop-up is an OTG. I'm not sure though, ask DOOHOO and maybe he can tell you.

I know, I already said I knew about side-step Free-Throws. But online, if my Shujinko 4 doesn't give me a Free-Throw, I wouldn't expect that I have time to plant, walk-up, side-step, and then Free-Throw.

If I am, I'll pay attention and I just won't do that anymore. That was the whole point of me discussing it with MEsoFLY. It's just open-dialogue so we can try not to BS each other online.

@MEsoFLY... actually, @Everyone...

In light of the finding that I can land SS-Free-Throws off of plants... I'll just simply avoid side-stepping as part of my 50/50's. Meaning if I plant you, I'll walk-up straight and sit there if I have to and then do my 50/50. Seems like that would help avoid inadvertent double Free-Throws in the heat of battle.

Would that be legit?

Why would it be? You're not infiniting him right? Therefore it's legit so they have nothing to worry about.

Canada post are messing with me. My disks are still not here! So I'm left with just HALO 3 and UMK3. I found new VF5 and CoD4 but not used copies. I refuse to pay 59.99 for any game so I'm just going to have to hold out.

anybody want some games now? I have till 4:30

Stretch, are you Eastern Time?

If so, I missed you. If not, I'll get on.

Thank you ^ and yes I meant MKD not MKA since I made that error for those wondering.

I'll have to play a bit against the machine, get back into it...

Hey to that MK: DA dude, didn't you play on here like a few times before? Forgot your name though dude?