Sinister_Spectre Wrote: Any other Scorpion fans have faith that Moi Fah will be awesome? We haven't really seen much of it but I really have high hopes for it.

I'd keep my hopes low, it looks to be just a little better then hapkido at best.

I hope that Moi Fah is good, because Scorpion MUST be great character. But Vers and all great MKDA players are right - he lost pi gua and this is great lost...but we'll see. I still have high hopes for Scorpion...

Unfortunately, I agree with SST
We can only hope that his new style could be as good as Pi Gua, but I seriously doubt it. Altho, not much has been seen, so who knows yet.

damn we really need a gameplay sub board for these kinds of threads so they don't plumet in those never ending Noob Smoke threads.

moi fah was a ok stance...he lost alot of power losing pi gui...and at E3..each character has the classic uppercut in their 2cd style defaulted by using d+2..any questions at all?..since ive played MKD already...even though its a older build

_JRF_ Wrote: moi fah was a ok stance...he lost alot of power losing pi gui...and at E3..each character has the classic uppercut in their 2cd style defaulted by using d+2..any questions at all?..since ive played MKD already...even though its a older build

is the uppercut any good? It looked poor in the gameplay vids I saw.

it could be used well..dont jump in..theyre trying hard to make this game a non jumping stay on the ground and juggle to fuck outta someone..
im down for it ill still jump though

I noticed that some characters might have different uppercut animations. I have seen a character use both hands and swing upwards, and I have seen others retaining the classic animation.

Does d+2 hit mid? Also, uh, how exactly did the juggle system differ from DA? If it did at all. It looked like they were still "forced" down, but it seamed less rigid, a little slower...or something. Meh.

I'm curious where you guys get your tier listings. Is there a site which goes through MK:DA strategy like many sites do for Soul Calibur 2 and the Capcom games? Is there a site that goes through the frames on each move and the terms you use when describing moves?

Heh, there is NO frame data for MK, that I know of. If there is, it's not distrabuted to the immediate public. I'd personally like to get a group of peeps together who can request such data from Midway. Or someone with a network to get ahold of it. I doubt they even recorded any, or put any thought into the process. So bleh.
Tiers are created by the players, talked about, then adjusted. Preferably by players who know wtf they're talking about. Tiers are bullshit, though. Only tools give a shit about them. J/K

the juggle system seemed pretty open..like umk3 or other mks have been..its not really bogged down or anything..but its all up to the testers..they have the say whats in or out for kombos n such..they use a in-house program that Boon developed for the dial-a-kombo stuff and percentages for damage

Clone Clone Clone Steve. Tell me from your experience is it going to be as broke as we're all expecting or easy to disregard? With it Sub will be ill, but without it he seems to be going right back to low mid tier status like in DA. Also, while at that, any changes to his stances. Anything safe? Anything that was good in DA that they took out? Does Sub feel better or worse than his MKDA incarnation.
I'd ask about Noob/Smoke and Jade(the other 2 characters im planning to learn), but since they weren't in, what about Bo? I know you were good with him in DA, so you should be able to fill us on waht's up with him in D. He has Sumo now so I guess mi zong is gone.
Almost all fighting game's respective fan sites have frame data for the games EXCEPT MK. Hopefully this will change with MKD, but we'll see. As for tiers, these are created by the best players at the particular game and it's normally a pretty reliable resource as to which characters are good and which characters arent. No tier is perfect, but they are VERY accurate. Tier lists only matter when both players are average or above average. When both players suck any character can suceed because the fighter's weaknesses and strengths are unknown to the people using them. Also, most of the time in fighters there are a few match ups that kind of disregard tiers because the lower tier character has a certain move or moves that totally messes up what the top tier character has that makes him so good. For example, Bo Rai Cho is the 2nd best character in the game. I don't know exactly where Quan Chi was, but I believe he was number 13 or so. Even tho Bo Rai Cho was top tier and Quan Chi was upper mid tier, Quan Chi gave Bo Rai Cho serious problems. I hope this all made sense to you.

I know for a fact (from seeing various moves in the vids so far), that Shotokan 2 recovers much faster than it did in MKDA...and it still stuns them. Mixup time!

OH HELL YEAH!

_JRF_ Wrote: the juggle system seemed pretty open..like umk3 or other mks have been..its not really bogged down or anything..but its all up to the testers..they have the say whats in or out for kombos n such..they use a in-house program that Boon developed for the dial-a-kombo stuff and percentages for damage

That's good to hear. Though, are you saying that the testers are given a program that they can actualy use to adjust damage and what not? Like on the fly? 0_o I didn't know that. That isn't a common practice while developing a fighter, is it? Anywho, I'm scared now, lol. Damage was whacked out in DA. Hope they learned a little, lol.

ok..Bo was exactly the same at E3 from MKDA...besides the fact he felt slower..no character could change style at the same time of a side step...they told me it was a bug to be fixed..Bos infinte still worked at that time..which i did infront of Boon and others..asking if theyll fix it..they replaied yes
With Bo having Sumo now..he still might be pretty sick..Ive always felt his drunken stance was the bread and butter of him...but i did notice they moved some shit around at E3...like Bo's drunken d+3 was moved to d+2..and 1 1 4 was a 3 hit kombo in drunken...im sure this will all change
I didnt play sub at all..but i have a vid of RayRokka playing paulo garcia ..he played a decent sub..
And yes..they work on damage percentages pretty much before the game comes out..
I have alot of faith in the testers for MKD..these guys have been at Midway a longtime..
Anything else?

What's up with NW? Btw from your play, give me who you think will be the top 3 best and the bottom 3 worst just from the characters available. thanks

I got some questions for you JRF
Did you play Baraka or Kabal? and If you did what did you think of them? and Is scorpions hellfire really unblockable?

those characters werent in at E3...i mostly played Bo Nightwolf Ermac and scorpion..and his hellfire was not blockable
but this was many months ago...im sure everything changed.. i wish MKO had atleast a somewhat high level player when they go to Midway events..cause theyve played on newer versions than me
lamers
NW is good,,,so was hotaru,,and ashrah is quick and has alot of potential

Did you by chance get to see or use Nightwolf's lightning move? Was it blockable? Did it have a certain range?

_JRF_ Wrote: i wish MKO had atleast a somewhat high level player when they go to Midway events..cause theyve played on newer versions than me lamers

LOL! No way, dude. I don't want to actually know anything about the gameplay. Rather, it's much more enjoyable to sit back, watch vids then express my displeasure. While the beast that is fanboy-ism swarms like flies to horse shit. Chomping at the bit to tell me how lame I am and to just fucking leave.

Satyagraha Wrote: LOL! No way, dude. I don't want to actually know anything about the gameplay. I'd rather sit back, watch vids then express my displeasure. While the beast that is fanboy-ism swarms like flies to horse shit. Chomping at the bit to tell me how lame I am and to just fucking leave.

Is that because you don't want to be disappointed if it turns out to be crap or because you want to be that much more surprised if it turns out good?

Actually, I was being caustic. Or trying to be, lol.
Honestly, I really, really want D to be good. From all I've seen, read and past experiences I doubt it will be; even with the new info that's coming in. I truely believe that. However, I've always downplayed games so I wouldn't be dissapointed. Yet, have given props when they turn out decent.
So yes, I guess my previous attempt at a caustic comment was a subconcious revelation to the fact that I downplay quality, in order to be elated. Though, not dissapointed when it sucks...or something.
Edit: That was in reference to gameplay. I am actually pretty happy with the "MK" in this MK.

hey anyone interested in an MK:D tourney? its October 9th and seeds are being done by sign up # so far we have 8 sign ups and we're looking for 32.
pm me if you want in with your AIM s\n too.