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 •09/02/2004 12:32 AM (UTC) •
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That's odd. I could swear that they weren't blockable from that Kobra vs. Scorpion video. This stinks. But how are the throws done? Since there isn't a special move button anymore is it a two button combination like 1+3?
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 •09/02/2004 01:07 AM (UTC) •
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TimsMK Wrote:
The_Truth Wrote:
...So let me get this straight... Throws are blockable and if by some chance you are able to pull one off they can be broken and the damage from the throw will still be inflicted even though it was broken?
That is stupid.
Yup. Tried it myself, throw grabs are blockable and duckable.

Seems like all that has improved in the throw game are the new animations. The mechanics behind the throw are useless, just like in MKDA, and eliminate the possibilities of mixups into throws on whiffs, or something similar, strategy-wise.
You know, that is stupid.
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 •09/02/2004 02:26 AM (UTC) •
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Sometimes you wonder what the play testers are actually doing. I understand that their major concerns are looking for bugs and trying to recreate glitches but you'd think that during these testing sessions at least someone would say to themselves, "You know, there's something wrong with these throws."
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 •09/02/2004 02:30 AM (UTC) •
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TonyTheTiger Wrote:
Sometimes you wonder what the play testers are actually doing. I understand that their major concerns are looking for bugs and trying to recreate glitches but you'd think that during these testing sessions at least someone would say to themselves, "You know, there's something wrong with these throws."

Not to go off on a tangent, but I bet some of the testers were like the typical non-fighting game playing Americans. (Im American myself so I can say this) Many a time have I heard Americans cry because "throws are cheap." Man that never gets past me that throws are somehow cheap since they can't be blocked. Jesus, if people cant even understand how the game mechanic works and why its there, its a sad sad day. Its like people are so dumb that they dont know they can break the throw, they don't know they can attack smart so that they arent open for throws, and they dont know they can duck so they cant be thrown. I mean some logic here would simply go a long way.
At least 2D players don't cry when they're thrown... I haven't heard of that one before. If I ever do, that would be a sad sad day.
Anyways, back on topic. Does anyone think Scorpions Mugai Ryu and Ashrah's Kryss has the same movelist? I've seen the exact same strokes from both of 'em.
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 •09/02/2004 02:50 AM (UTC) •
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Hey Versatile... I was just wondering since everyone keeps talking about Tae Kwon Do and Pi Gua on here.... what are the five strongest stances from DA in your opinion? I would put those two in there, along with quan's swords, drunken fist, and maybe snake or mantis... i know that mantis leaves you open for retaliation if you are blocked, but i like how it has a wide array of high and low attacks that keep opponents guessing.
this is a little off topic but what do u think the top 5 were?
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 •09/02/2004 04:13 AM (UTC) •
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rubin56555 Wrote:
Hey Versatile... I was just wondering since everyone keeps talking about Tae Kwon Do and Pi Gua on here.... what are the five strongest stances from DA in your opinion? I would put those two in there, along with quan's swords, drunken fist, and maybe snake or mantis... i know that mantis leaves you open for retaliation if you are blocked, but i like how it has a wide array of high and low attacks that keep opponents guessing.
this is a little off topic but what do u think the top 5 were?

In order, but the last 2 are strongly debateable.
1. Pi Gua
2. Drunken Fist
3. Crab
4. Iron Club
5. Tae Kwon Do
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 •09/02/2004 05:46 AM (UTC) •
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I swear I was going to give pleasure to your girl if you didn't call out crab. grin
Man, Hook Swords get no love. sad
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 •09/02/2004 06:13 AM (UTC) •
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TimsMK Wrote:
The_Truth Wrote:
...So let me get this straight... Throws are blockable and if by some chance you are able to pull one off they can be broken and the damage from the throw will still be inflicted even though it was broken?
That is stupid.
Yup. Tried it myself, throw grabs are blockable and duckable.
NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO!
Fuck no! Why?
.....It will change. If their is ONE gameplay improvement to be made that is effortless, it is to make throws unblockable.
It can be done. It shall be done.
Anyway, I have a question: What about the block stun properties. Did you guys see anything interesting regarding the stun time?
Is their actual movement off hits? Your character moving a certain distance depending on degree of attack?
Any type of glitchy frame advantage? Being able to cancel out of a block with a dash or other input command?
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 •09/02/2004 09:33 AM (UTC) •
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Man, Hook Swords get no love.

Word!
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•09/02/2004 10:11 AM (UTC) •
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Versatile Wrote:
Oh no way man. I don't think Kenshi is going to be THAT BAD. Im just saying Ermac looks likes going to be a much better character. I believe they will both be mid tier though. This toss (b,f+2). What's that about? I only knew about the ground slam and the dive kick. Is b,f+2 still stopped by the clone? What's his best option out of telemovement stance of the 3? Any other options? Lastly, is the dive kick safe or punishable on block? As for the pound? The Toss? Fill me in. I might consider learning Ermac.

Ermac's best stance is the one where his arms are curled up close to his chest, I just can't remember what it was called. That style offered more juggles and pokes and worked well with the TK moves. The dive kick was safe from physical retaliation from basic moves or that unnecessary "uppercut" that every one has because they can't reach him. But a well placed mid range special move did the trick on me after it was blocked, so no its not safe on block if someone with at least the IQ of a carrot is playing against an Ermac player.
The toss leaves him open just like Kenshi's. The ground pound was great, but not against Sub-Zero, he'll just freez you while your floating. You can basically keep most opponents guessing wich one is comming and if they choose to attack while you're floating you can crack 'em with the kick or if the scared to move use the pound. I hope that helps.
Take care.
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•09/02/2004 10:14 AM (UTC) •
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Does Subby have shaker?

No he did not have the ice shaker in the version I played, who knows what other moves he has at this point besides the moves we have already seen on video. But with the ice-clone the shaker would be unnecessary in my opinion. Take care.
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•09/02/2004 10:33 AM (UTC) •
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Well its bed time for me here in sunny southern CA. But before I climb into bed with my sexy wife I must expess my disgust with the blockable throw, furious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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furiousfuriousfuriousfuriousfuriousfuriousfuriousfuriousfuriousfuriousfuriousfuriousfuriousfuriousfuriousfurious
Hopefully the pleasures of the flesh will difuse my anger wink.
Take care.
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 •09/02/2004 11:14 AM (UTC) •
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Thanks for the info so far mastermalone. What do you mean by Tomahawk mix-ups. Can you also give some details on the Tomahawks style. Like how it hadles. Is it fast, strong etc ?
Thanks
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 •09/02/2004 12:59 PM (UTC) •
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Ya i completely overlooked crab. I forgot to mention it. I think a lot of people didn't take that stance to seriously because it looked silly but it was deadly as crap! How do you feel about the other ones i put on my list? Quan's swords, snake and mantis specifically were mine that would be fighting for the 5 spot.
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3. Crab
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 •09/02/2004 01:03 PM (UTC) •
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I didn't really overlook the hookswords guys.. In my opinion at least, I think they are very good but when the combos are blocked there is a slow recovery time. they are very powerful though but I think Quan's swords are a little better. Another weapon that doesn't get much love is Nitara's! The mixup of high and low and juggles is incredible!
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Man, Hook Swords get no love.
Word!
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 •09/02/2004 01:08 PM (UTC) •
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Oh yeah, certainly hookswords has a lot of delay, but hookswords 3 and SM are great, especially hookswords 3. If you manage to confuse your opponent enough, it's fairly easy to trick him into eating the whole 2,4,4,b+3 shebang.
Also, why is this thread fucked up? :'(
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 •09/02/2004 01:21 PM (UTC) •
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I'm sory to bust in like this without reading everything, but I just wanna ask you guys something, wtf are those 3+B, 4 or whatever you guys wrote in the first page?
thanks
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 •09/02/2004 04:20 PM (UTC) •
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oh shit guys, Subby has a sick throw, 100393x better then that sad excuse he had in Deadly Alliance, he hits the dude about 3x and it goes straight into a juggle. He is looking better and better.
still no sign of shaker though :-\
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 •09/02/2004 04:53 PM (UTC) •
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*X*BloodyEyes Wrote:
I'm sory to bust in like this without reading everything, but I just wanna ask you guys something, wtf are those 3+B, 4 or whatever you guys wrote in the first page?
thanks

Tha's just move notation. Like f,f+1 is a move. forward, forward+the attack button #1.
So like, a string or juggle would look like 3,2,b+4, u/f+3, f,f+4. It makes the explanation of moves shorter and more efficient than if you were to just write it all out, word for word.
Is that kind of what you were asking for? 0_o
And, yeah, this whole throw thing is kinda weak. Kinda? Well, bleh, it's hella weak. I mean wtf? Just give us overheads and normals. Then we can go back to d/b+3+blk+4. If you're going to molest the concept of ranges, then why the fuck even put them in there?
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 •09/02/2004 05:28 PM (UTC) •
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yeah, that's kinda what I was asking
thanks
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•09/02/2004 06:39 PM (UTC) •
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-NIGHTWOLF- Wrote:
Thanks for the info so far mastermalone. What do you mean by Tomahawk mix-ups. Can you also give some details on the Tomahawks style. Like how it hadles. Is it fast, strong etc ?
Thanks

The Tomahawks reminded me somewhat of Nitara's weapon in MKDA but with more variety and the Tomahawks were so much faster than Nitara's weapons. They took of considerable damage as well and he seemed to get off juggles for free if you screwed up a block durring the high/low mix up. I hope that helps.
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 •09/02/2004 07:59 PM (UTC) •
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Mantis is good. Broadswords are good. Mantis sucks.
I know this is a tier thread, but I am thinking that perhaps with a little MKDA strategy flava people can understand tiers better, and their wont be as many arguments when MKD comes around. So if anybody want strats with any character just hit me up.
Tomahawks = faster kama? wowzas! we'll see, but then again with TKD why would ya wanna use anything else? 3 and b+3 baby. It's all ya need to fuck some serious shit up. However,since TKD:3 on hit doesnt really knock that far back, NW fans should be hoping his shoulder tackle hits mid so instead of mixing b+3 up with 3 u can mix it up with the tackle and land a death trap hit...yikes.
Sub-Zero's throw leads into a launcher? That's pretty ill, but a few questions on that.
1. Does the throw do more damage than Shoto:1,2,b+2, Sub's best launcher?
2. Does it come out quicker?
3. Like Shoto:1,2,b+2 on hit, does it allow you do another launcher hit to give u more damage? Case in point..throw,b+2,cs,1,2,cs?
4. How safe is the throw on block?
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 •09/02/2004 08:10 PM (UTC) •
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You guys have put a lot of thought and effort into this. Keep up the good work.
I can't wait to read the complete tier come December-ish. A lot of styles we haven't seen yet make it difficult to work out now.
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 •09/02/2004 08:51 PM (UTC) •
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Bezou Wrote:
You guys have put a lot of thought and effort into this. Keep up the good work.
I can't wait to read the complete tier come December-ish. A lot of styles we haven't seen yet make it difficult to work out now.

Sup Bezou..I thought you didn't believe in tiers? Or was it that you didn't think MKDA sucked total ass? I think it was one of them. Anyway I doubt the tier list will be coming out in December anyway. I think October-November will be feeling the game out, getting to know the set ups and whats good and whats not. What will be banned in tournaments and whats fine,etc. Around December I'll make a topic for Tier feedback. Basically all the players talking about who they think is good. Around Jan or so the formulating would begin I guess. I don't know if it should be like the top 5 best players at that point in time or the best player (wins/losses wise) with each character in the game who decides the final list. For the MKDA one it was MKL,Konqrr and myself...whateva..we'll see.
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 •09/02/2004 09:09 PM (UTC) •
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Versatile thanks!!
I think that this board needs people like you.
You realy did great job with MKDA tier list and I can't wait to see MKD's one.
Thanks to you, to Konqrr and all of you, who are making MK komunity stronger !!!
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