ok sorry,thanks for the tip,i just figured since it worked against the cpu on max it worked, youd figure they always block, but i just did a new one with scorpion in the corner on noob smoke ( 97% difficultly, i dont think i ever got it up that high )
hapkido
7 hits
2, 2, cs, 1, 3, 3, cs, F+1 = 31%
its seems when u do the whole combo from hapkido the faster the F+1. again lemme know, and sorry bout all that, just under a ton of pressure these days, thanks again
as for throws, u have to excuse me, it just happens to be everyone i fought online has been cheap and throws like madd, after watching a ton of matches, i realized it wasn't as big of deal as i thought, it was just refreshing to see some actual gameplay, i just feel that if one person is feeling it and catching everything, a throw will totally throw them of their game, and its just dissapointing to see being i played mkda till the day deception came out, i was all trained by that style of play and it fucked me up for deception, i really cant adjust and i think thats a big problem for others tryin to play this game, its a system that doesn't work for everyone, if konqrr wants to say he throws in the extreme, well that may be true, and not be true because there were many opportunitys on both sides to throw, and chose not to out of respect for the game, i know thats impossible to make that observation, but its my humble opinion, there are so many times in those matches, its just not fun, and glad i got to watch some actual matches, : )

Throws are just another part of the 50/50 mixup game in Deception. If my character has a throw that sucks like Sindel, I'll hesitate to use that in my mixup, and only use that throw if necessary.

all throws should suck first off, and second theyre too hard to avoid when dealing with mix ups, it gives too much advantage to the player who uses it, in other words, you can seriously base your game around throws and win easily, its just not fair, the game should be based around blocking, its not like its not taking off a little bit of damage each time, it is, if u just keep blocking, youre gonna gradually be losing power until you can think of a comeback, thats normal gameplay, and it keeps the game more balanced, and more strategic, throwing is just too easy in deception and for a game where youre mostly blocking just doesn't fit in, take away throwing, i would like to see the rankings then.
speaking off which, my whole life, i spent playing with people who didn't throw, as in throwing disabled, ( mk3,umk3, mk4 ) it didn't matter the player, it was just common courtesy. but when u do that, it makes it kinda hard now against a mk game where u have to throw in order to play your 50 50 mix ups, it justs makes it too easy against certain players such as myself, with plenty skill but no chance of working it against someone who gets caught trying to use their mix ups and is able to press throw before the other player can do anything about it, its just too easy
but just before, i noticed all u have to do to avoid a throw is press back once so im glad to see it is capable of existing just not along the lines after u just caught in the 50 50 game, its just horribly unbalanced. i enjoy playing against the computer so much more because at least its feels somewhat like mk, gamecube will tell all..
carry on.

This is how MK is played now....just dont be excessive with throws
mkJRF

Throws are very easy to avoid along with the 50/50 mixup. As you are getting up, hold block and just tap down (well timed, of course). You will avoid the throw, and successfully block any low OR mid/high attack thrown at you. This only works if your opponent does their mixup right as you get up...if they delay to see where you are blocking, that is another story.
This blocking strategy was discovered by MKL way back in MKDA as a means of blocking Sonya's mixups.
The fact that you played every MK with no throws, shows that you just don't like them. Throws are not cheap in MKD unless they are followed by a glitch combo (bo, noob, tanya, darrius). Other than that, it's fair game.
I love to throw and will never stop
My friends and I play/played UMK3 with the "Throwing Encouraged" code on.

Hey konqrr I wanna battle some random matches... Let me know when your ready...

I can't wait Aldagod! It was great fun the last time we played. I was under a different nickname at the time, and you pretty much wasted me.
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Noobe was nice enough to send me some matches he had recorded. I made them 70% smaller and streamable for everyone to enjoy. This is some very high level gameplay, so pay attention!
You can get them @ Konqrr.com...of course

i know ive done it before as well as seen in your videos, but its just not consistent, or maybe it is and i just dont see it, i know its hard for me, to me u really wanna get up and get a attack in, not have to be submissive to the other persons next move, its unbalanced in certain respects, that delay shit u said, come on
i will never throw, i just cant do it, lol, id rather know i beat someone without it, its all good tho cuz u really dont throw, say whatever u want to say, id probably say i throw as much as you, but theres really no need for it, therefore, why use it, you say its fair game, but its not, and the proof is all your friends who cant play this game, what do they do, throw, same thing they did in every other mortal kombat except 4 cuz that was all sub vs sub baby, the greatest matches alive, there was no chance to throw cuz it was all ice clone, thats fair game, or the closest its ever been, but the matches didn't even call for it, just like mkda, and that was what i was saying before, i never played anyone in mkda, only the computer bare that in mind, i totally fucked myself for mk:d, i dont think ill ever be able to break those habits, but u look at what they did away with in mkd, impales, reversals, etc. next is going to be your throws, lol, say goodbye to them, cuz these "glitches" are the final say in these throws and the ridiculousness of their existence
YAY! new vids!
its funny that guy doom barely used the stink cloud from smoke and the one time he started out with it, he almost flawlessed him, u can call this highlevel gameplay if u want but all u need to do against it is the smoke cloud, too bad, they really dont have anything else going for them.. sad
and the throws were just too much im sorry, for a second, i thought one of them weren't gonna throw for half a match, then wouldn't u know it, a fuckin throw, i dare any one of you to take away throws from your game, there was one match where he just kept walking up to him and and throwing, u call that highlevel "gameplay" play the actual game next time with the fighting stances
that half of round where he was actually fighting was the 2nd one in Noobe 04. unfortunatly, this was the high level gameplay in this game, its sad to know ill never be this good and get to show my skill in this game, i dont know what it is about sidestepping in mkda for gamecube, but it worked for me anytime, and i thought i was so ready , i couldn't be anymore wrong, thanks for the vids, konqrr
i think im officially moving back to umk3

check
the game is imbalanced
u can't do anything against it
anyone fighting me can play how he or she wants so long he or she doesn't do any infinites
in any case u don't need much skill for this game
so just play for fun
i would only play games seriously if their names are guilty gear or something like that :p
this game is really balanced cuz ggxxr is a kind of patch of his predecessor

hey me advertising sindel again.. lol i updated my how to play as her guide.. plus i noticed that i posted it in the tier thread.. i think it needs to be here also.. plus its updated so.. what ever..lol
zZHA~
her combo 111 gives her a free throw, so after u 111 walk up and throw :) a easy 30% combo is back 1 (hits mid) back 1 then 111.. another combo, but its hard to get out, the timing is very very hard.. but its back 1, 111,111=39%
then theres back 1,111 cs 1113cs41=62% i believe.. that 1 is very very very hard to do, i have only done it once.. lol konqrr has a video on his site of it.. (konqrr correct me on this 1 again if im postingit wrong lol)
3 is a mid uppercut.. 4444 is a easy 13% combo.. i tend to walk right back up and do it again, it tends to hit again.. or do 4444 then 444cs to mix it up... i tend to aviod this style unless they r out of breakers.. its her worst 1..
FU JOW PAI
the back 2 move~if u want to be able to do it over and over be sure to press back 2 then forward back 2 (repeat as many times as u like :)..
if u just do back 2 back 2, it wont come out as fast..
both of her down 3 and down 4 moves have zero delay. There for she can get up and back 2 or , scream, fireball, throw, combo~ 111, or just keep doing down 3 or 4 over and over.
her 111 combo~ she recovers quickly.
What I do w/ it is~I keep holding up and press 111, 111, 33, 112,112, etc. these short 3 hit combos can be done over and over w/ almost no delay, but if u add 33 to the 111 she has delay. U can also 111 then do, back 2 quickly.. I do 111, down 4, then back 2.. because if u do 111 back 2, the back 2 damage given is lowered but, when I add in the down 4 then back 2 , damage given is back to normal.
The key to my style w/ her is to whore the down 4, keep holding down and mash that 4!!! whore it as much as u can!!!!!!!!!! but make sure u r up close to them if ur gonna whore it, from a distance make sure u mix in the leg grab among other things...
Back 2 is a mid hit, Its her best move because its safe and she recovers quickly... (as just about every hit in this stance does)
her up 4 also hits mid, fast and its a pop up (u can get some nice 30 plus hit combos from it).
free throws in this stance~ 2 is her uppercut looking move after it u can walk up and throw.. what i do if i catch them in a scream ill 2 then throw=19% i think.. her 4 move also gives her a free throw, but dont do it if u catch them in a scream, as for some reason her 4 can be combo broken
some thing new i have been doing w/ her, is ill press the throw button and again again and again plus mix in the back 2 w/ it, she has a split second delay after her throw motion (w/ out throwing) so do 50/50 mix ups w/ it.. r1r1 back2 r1 back2 etc mix in a leg grab..
when u do her up 4 pop up, i do her uppercut as it keeps them close to her and u can start doing some 50/50 mix ups.. walk up and r1 r1 then back 2 to confuse them
KWAN DO
1 hits mid, plus after u do it u get a free throw.. 1 then down 1 is a mid then low..
her up 3 recovers quickly when done.. her standing 2 does also.. whats nice about this is that u can 2 then up 3 quickly the delay is about 1 sec In between each hit..i also do a lot of 2 2 2 2 2 or up 3 up 3 up 3..etc back 2 in this stance hits fast and mid.. when u do the 1 then up 3 mini combo, if it doesn’t hit she will have delay, so watch out....
44 hits mid..
a nice unbreakable combo w/ her is up 3 , 2 then up 3. 22%..
the standing 2 is good at tracking side steppers.
if im able to do her up 1 move (which is another mid hit) instead of doing a combo i do her leg grab move.. or cs cs uppercut into the 50/50 w/ fu jow pai..

i lied, lol, i just started a new name online, i will never give up on deception, its funny, instead, now im winning more than half my matches and already up to 1200 in 30 games, my old one is like 200 games, rank 2000, and thats not to count the 10 pulls i got tonite, ahhh, i feel so rejuvenated, im glad i have been staying offline and just playing konquest over and over and learning shit, as well as arcade, but its funny, its almost like the gameplay is normal, nobody can over power me with that walk up shit, how come? i think i managed to duck every throw tonite! i was killing people with blocking up and down, they just stood there, lol im very glad, but i still got a couple questions:
first of all before i start i would just like to say my scorpion combo 3, B+1, cs,cs, F+1, WORKED for the most part against people online, but i still couldn't follow it up with anything, wah, : ( ok, just to let u know! : ), hehe, but maybe im wrong.
ok, against hotaru, there is this low sweep move of some sort, but after its a guarenteed throw? i couldn't move at all against it, tell me theres a chance, i think it was in pi gua. also having difficulties getting close enough to hit him as well as connect, any strategies vs him? still beat his ass
next is raiden, this guy was starting off the match with a torpedo, then a free throw? how do i escape that throw, ( and he would pick dead pool so i was fucked i didn't know it put u in the acid, also, his teleport throw technique, avoidable? raiden is another one thats hard to get in on, any good characters to use? i picked a new character online for the first time, noob smoke, wound up being my best fighter! lol, i knew it would work, just smoke cloud their ass, haha, but thats my next question, the smoke cloud, im having difficulties pulling this off, ( as well as the ice clone ) and always wind up doin this dumb punch with it and get caught bad, is there an easy way off pulling it off? am i doing it too quick or not quick enough? does anyone else have trouble with either move? is there a better, more larger controller for ps2? and is it possible to use a gamecube controller on ps2? please tell me there is.
it was too easy catching people with the ice clone and smoke cloud, like mk4 days, ahhh. : ) it was weird, i started off so nice, nailing every smoke cloud, then i couldnt pull them off! god damn, that and i dont have the timing down AT ALL for smokes juggles, and wound up getting caught bad, if i would have nailed them all, it would have been game
some tips vs sindel would be nice, i didn't really understand how she moves so quick in fu jow pai, but i still won, im just sayin, if he played her better he could have beat me, ( thrown me more, lol ) both people i played, but again, no rushes, for some odd reason, it doesn't feel the same online no more, it feels.. normal........... i think im learning but still beat them both
and havik, same dude, was killing me with that quan chi shit and morning star, i kept blocking it, but it kept hitting me, is it low? that move he does when switches into tang soo from snake combo, wonce i was cornered i didn't know what to do, any help? i was surprised i lost this match, but he got me good, i definitly need some havik strategies
and i really dont understand this universal tracking system, im sidestepping alot better than i was last time i was online, ( thanks to konquest ) with scorpion, he side steps much faster in mugai ryu than his other 2 stances, ( or not ) and sub sidesteps well in Kori blade, anyone agree??????????
with sub, im doin his cold shoulder, but winding up on the other side of them? and open? bad, i dont understand is there a better way to execute this move? i heard if u hold forward or something, he slides more?
some things never change tho, still having problems with shujinko, this guy just kept repeating that 3 hit combo in shaolin fist, how is he getting that off every time vs me? is there no escape? and some tips vs his weapon stance would be nice, who to use against him? defintly shujinko, noob smoke im having the most difficultly, scorpion should be up there too, and i know even if i throw its not gonna make a difference, i need some help vs shujinko tho, how do i get in on him without getting thrown? or hit period.
im pretty sure i won, but against mileena, that last hit, when she switches to her second stance, theres a delay, but its so short, i cant predict it, if i wait, am i gonna eat a throw or what? and even worse was this 4 hit combo into weapon stance, the last 2 hits have delays and are being executed at a speed which i cant determine, should i just expect the whole combo next time or just learn characters moves better? i dont care, im glad i decided to get back online. : ) be happy for me
vs dairou, who i still dont have much problems with online, but i could use some helping words against his madness, is there no answer to the tombstone drop if its being used a little more than it should? which of his attacks hit low? it seems all hes got is special moves, anytime someone tried a combo with him they got ate up BAD : ) i really dont see how anyone can walk up with him, whats he got other than his specials?
beat my first brc opponent tonite as well as played, too easy, but again, weird, his walk up wouldn't work on me? i would press back and be too far from him to combo off of? it was great, bt it goes to show how lag plays a certain part to this game, i think if this game worked better online, ( juggles, hits after, raiden, kabal, mileena, etc ) we wouldn't see as much nonsense as we do, or not, but anyway, i guess thats about it for now but one last question, i had won like 7 in a row vs this guy, then on the character select screen, i accidently quit, am i gonna get charged a disconnect and not get those 7 wins?
seriously what is the best controller on ps2 for this game, gamecube seems the best, blocking is easy with those top buttons because they are so big and easy to keep your fingers across them and press and play at the same time, the control pad is smaller, and allows quicker movement, maybe solving this only sidestepping in certain stances mystery, the only bad part is the buttons, x,y,b,a, theyre in weird spots, but better in some respects if u learn it, and will make the ps2 controller look cock-eyed, its just too small, the gamecube controller is PERFECT, players, i seriously recommend all of you try it out, it might make your game much much better, but that remains to be seen.
lets see. in 3 hours, i managed to start a new name, and get all the way up to 1200, and only lost really 5 matches, the rest were cheap, death traps, teleport throws, odds and ends i dont know about, won 30, and had 10 disconnects all from decently high players, yea id say im good, this is fun, lol, i should have started a new name ages ago, i guess next time i shouldn't be so shook to get online and have some faith in my game, theres hope for this game yet
and i wasn't even on tonite, haha.
i just think its funny all these high ranked players depending on their walk up/ throw game, id like to see what they really got. and to me, are not even worth playing, get @ me for a real game
almost 500 points in 3 hours, yea, ill be number 1 soon. : ) and im not gonna play any of these high players who just are gonna keep walking up and throwing, they will get pulled on, and i will have the last laugh, they dont deserve those ranks... whatever if i can make top 100 ill be happy
peace, and try that scorpion combo out in the corner! it works! if it dont, ull still hit em b4 they block!

this is the last time i will tell you. that is not a combo.. its that u guessed right.. all ur doing is using mkdeceptions 50/50 game play, just because u got 3 hits off vs that guy, does not mean its a combo.. if u still dont get it, then i dont know how to get through to u.. i just dont know..lol
i got up to rank 80 in under 40 games played.. so to have a rank of 1,200 in 30 games isnt impressive.. im not there anymore, i was only doing a test to see how bad the ranking system is.. boy is it!!!

Check. You really need to understand that MKD is truly based on 50/50. It's like rock, paper, or scissor. It is all a guessing game. For you to say that throwing is cheap is ridiculous. If throwing is disabled, people will turtle with the block button the entire match. The game fighting engine is severely flawed. If you want an in-depth game, pick up Tekken 5 when it comes out in March.
Later.

Thx guys, learned a ton from this thread.
For one reason or another however, PS2 PAL zone players don't use all of this shit (at least not the ones I've played). I'm still much getting into the game, and right now my level is only mediocre, but given time I'll certainly improve.
Actually, I'm enjoying puzzle kombat much more than regular versus kombat, because in puzzle kombat at least noobs can't win.
Does anyone have any good or basic Kabal and Havik strats? Seems like nearly all of my favourite chars are low tier, heh :).
Don't have much to add, just thumbs up for everyone who took time to teach fellow players what they know.
Cheers,
VQ

Oh yeah and perhaps some Ermac strats might help as well. He seems to be sorely lacking in moves that aren't punishable. So far only hua chuan b+1,3 seems decent.
VQ

Sup VQ?
Here's what I got with Havik...
Snake:
2,2,cs... Switches with a low move, almost always catches opponents off guard.
50/50 - b+4; 4,b+2; throw
TSD:
2,3,4 - (h,m,l)
b+1,3,3 - (m,m,m)
b+1,4 - (m,l)
1,1,3,3 - (h,h,m,m)
TSD has the best, true 50/50 in the entire game, IMO.
I stay away from 1,1,2,3,4...
Club:
3... Hits mid as well as guys laying on the ground.
Whore that up a bit if you wanna make them waste some breakers.
Otherwise, may i suggest you stay in Tang Soo Do.
Specials:
b,f+3... Most effective as a mid range counter because of ass recovery.
b,d+1... Same as above. If it's blocked, your toast.
d,b+1... can counter back-dash-cancelling, decent & suprising wake up move.
Taunts? Maybe after Snake: 1,1,2,cs but you're better off pressuring.
Hope this helps
Peace

Hi Everyone.
I am new to this forum and still finding my way round.
I dont know if this combo with Sub Zero has already been posted or if konqrr has already figured it out ( jesus his videos are good ) but I thought I would post it anyway cause its a cool way to say hi.
Select Kori Blade and freeze them in the corner.
Bk Y + Bk Y ..... x, bk x .... soon as they hit the floor, dwn Y , Bk Y, Bk Y
I think this can be repeated as an infinite I havent tried. Soon as you hit them off the floor the combo scores 40% with a following 5%.
Rock on !

Welcome to MKO adsygr8.
That combo is blockable after 1,b+1 hits.

Thanks Mr.S. That's what I needed.
Indeed it's been a while since I was here. What kept me away were exams, lack of game experience and the overall, persisting plague of noobs :).
Cheers,
VQ

oh yea, throwings not cheap.. *shakes head*

would u rather have jade do her 40+% combo or her throw thats just 16%.. hmmmm i rather take on the throw...

jades 40 percent combo because i can block it
hit me low, i can deal with the shitty damage it does, but throws do too much, 16%? for a move so easy to connect, sure does take a whole lot of damage off, 2 throws and theres your jade combo, whatever close enough, and so i duck your throw, then i catch some high/ mid shit guarentee, yea thats real fair, even worse, free throws LOL, yea thats even more fair, since when? i love how people take advantage of the faults this game has and are the ones who are "so good" its not even funny anymore, i haven't fought one person who didn't abuse this broken game, and when u do, ur so used to playing these people that u just get raped at your who game, which u dont play no more because of all these people who based their game around throws, theres no way ur gonna connect anything if u dont throw, the second i think u throw, u come in for this combo i know i could have blocked but didn't cuz u have to throw to win, i would love to see anyone play without them, and see how well u do
its like a 3 step draw, if i draw first, i win. give credit where credit is due, i block one of your combos/ moves, i win that draw, dont take that away from that person, its called decency. if i accidently throw u, u get to walk up to me and throw me back once, thats how it works.
and if sidestepping is such a problem, (not for all those who abuse the universal trackin system, i mean the game IS supposed to be fun ) while your sidestepping, just press block!!! this is what i love about getting people into the corner, that is the only real 50/50 mix up in this game that isn't cheap, and doesn't involve, throws, for me personally, you will get flawlessed in the corner by me, BUT, u will fight back at least, the way people play this game, u cant even get an attack in without them throwing, its horrible, and u can deal with it, just not to the point where its unnoticable, i guess people just cant take a loss. i think theyre called sore losers, i love it.
its ok, u guys enjoy your game, ill be on kaillera whoopin people in umk3

Check...you are stupid.

fuck you konqrr