Meh, this is probably as old as crap, but Shujinko has a nasty breaker-game going on, his throw results in either a breaker being used, or 46% damage, I think that's really an advantage, since you're pretty much screwed when you're out of breakers vs. Shujinko.
Let me elaborate.Jinko is played best in his second stance (Shaolin Fist).I came to that conclusion while fighting Elamit (sp?).This online user seems to have the best Jinko I've ever played.Even though he complained about me only using 3 moves with Scorp/Noob-Smoke,he does the exact same thing with Jinko.
Mids in SF (Shaoling Fist)
f+1 - looks like Scorpion's f+1 in his weapon stance and juggles;not sure about safety though
4 - this is a really quick mid knee;I believe a throw is GUARANTEED after this (not 100% sure);the opponent can duck the throw sometimes;sometimes they cannot.I think it depends when you do it
Lows in SF
d+1 - this is a very quick low that resembles Smoke's d+1;it kind of gives advantage (but not like Kobra's d+3 in weapon stance);however,it's good enough to start a throw/mid mix up game
b+4 - another low,but this one knocks down.It looks exactly like Noob's b+4
Combos
If you hit a f+1,do Flip Kick, Flip Kick, 1,4,4,CS.This does about 54% of damage,but the combo requires a little bit of practice and should only be used when your opponent is out of combo breakers.Otherwise,I'd just do d+2 after f+1 which is unbreakable,and subsequently,sets you up for a decent 50/50 mix up game.This combo also works after his throw.Simply buffer the first Flip kick and then proceed accordingly.But as with the above combo,practice this first as well.
IMO,in order to play Jinko effectively,utilize all of the aforementioned moves and rush the opponent (unless you're fighing Noob-Smoke).I'll try out this character soon and post how well I did.... PS:Versatile,yeah,we could do it like that,but we don't need to go through all the characters.Maybe a character's mismatch(es) should be mentioned only?MK:D is really just a guessing game.If you guessed right,you could even beat a BRC player with a low-tiered character.It's just that the chances of you doing so aren't very high.Thus,generally speaking,every character who has a decent 50/50 mix up should be able to at least give problems to other high-tiered characters.In any case,50/50 mix ups determine who the best character in MK:D is,and the tier list.

If your gamer tag is Subzerowins then I owned you today with Kobra's d+3, it has a deceptively long reach that seemed to out poke every trick BRC tried. The loser I was mentioning was MK4O or some shit like that. I don't know what your tag is though, lets just hope its not Subzerowins.
Peace

LOL I play against this guy last night and I was laughing my ass off. It's almost like rock ,paper, scissor against his Noob/Smoke. If I guess wrong then I’m dead. His entire strategy is base on 50/50 and unbreakable combo juggle. Hit me down with a mid unroll able hit then walk up and either grab or pop up. The funny thing is that I can not use any of my breakers LOL. I can’t really blame the guy for being cheap, but I have come to a conclusion that this game engine is f%$Ck up.
p.s. He was actually a really cool guy. Got a chance to talk to him about his strategies and he gave me a few tips. I really think that Noob/Smoke can rape BRC with their nasty 50/50.

Wow MM and Jade-Own, you guys must have ignored every post I ever made about NS..lol. That's the ultimate way to play him, and it really isnt all 50/50. I like to call it super duper mind games that are disguised as 50/50s..lol.
The combo the guy was using was u+4,d,b+2,walk up~3,walk up,50/50 between throw and u+4. It's not even close to being unbeatable for NS has a very hard time getting in close vs a lot of characters,especially those with really good low attacks like Scorp's Mogai Ryu: d+1, Sub's Kori Blade: d+3 and Kobra's Kali Sticks: d+1. Those all beat out his throw, his u+4 and are anti stink cloud for the most part.
that "50/50" combined with smart stink cloud play and nasty wall shit is what my NS(and most of the NSs ive faced) are really all about. It's a boring style, but it's a winning formula..lol.
Anyway guys..feedback on the whole Darrius vs NS thing would be appreciated.

Anyway guys..feedback on the whole Darrius vs NS thing would be appreciated.
Well,just like you said,NS can do the Smoke Cloud while Darrius cannot do much about that (like the most characters in MK:D unless they know NS will do a Cloud whereupon they can do their projectile for example).Basically,all NS could do is damage Darrius,and have a 30%-35% damage difference,and then turtle the whole round and let the Darrius player come.Up close though,Darrius is tough,but IMO NS still has the advantage.When a Darrius player does a 3 and you guess right,simply backdash and do a Smoke Cloud.From here on,you can set up an offense carefully.Darrius' throw is of course ridiculous,and the damage after it.But simply keep backdashing and hope you'll guess right up close as far as the 3/Throw mix up is concerned.
Overall,NS is very good,especially against those characters who cannot do much about his Smoke Cloud and the characters who don't have the means to deal with his 50/50 mix ups when he gets up close.I don't know...what do you guys think about NS Vs. Dairou .
Anyway,messed with Kobra online a little bit.Yeah,I underestimated him.d+3 is too good.

Dave, I finally had a chance to play you online tonight. I really wanted to reach over cyber space and choked you to death with both of my feet and hand. I was so shock on why you pulled every cheap ass move on me. LOL I had no choice but to return the favor. Anyway, good game if you wanted to call it that.
LOL It was funny I was screaming on top of my lung and used every possible curse words there were in the dictionary.
hahaha

Jade-OWN,LOL and sorry man.It's just how the game is played since it's so bad.I could have infinited you with N/S more times if I wanted to but I figured you would quit like some of the people who play against me.In either case,you've beaten me like 7:3 (or 4).It was still fun though IMO.Basically,this game doesn't require any skill,so knowing the cheap shit with 10 characters is easy to learn and apply in a match.

Dan~ Without Bo's guarenteed thow, he is still better than Kobra, making him #3. Bo can still abuse anyone else in the game (with the exception of Dairou) by simply using only f+3 (no throw after it), mixed in with low pokes and puke (as well as an unguarnenteed throw) But you are right, it is that glitch that places him above Dairou.
As for Ashrah being #6, I completly disagree. Ashrah is a GOOD fighter, but not great. Scorpion, Jinko, , Lui, Baraka, Darrius, and maybe Raiden are all better than her (not in that order), as well as the people you list. I would not place Ashrah on the list until at least #11 or 12 (coincidantly enough, thats where i placed her on my list i gave to you a month ago Versatile).
Versatile~ I'll buy NS being better than Darrius. There seems to be enough merit to what you say. On another note, yes, Kenshi can be good. I would place him almost dead center, but a spot or two towards the low end.
MRS~ A throw is not guaranteed after d+3 (or d+1) in kali stix..
MasterMalone~ or was it Mister Malone..lol, i dont know, sorry. Yea, I would say Mileena is LOW TIER.. As for my list, low tier looks like
21. Kabal
22. Sindel (Sorry Dan, i know you love her, but you failed to convince me she is even worthy of mid)
23. Mileena
24. Kira
Unlike in DA, the characters are more user specific in D, making them a little easier to win with. Each character has more 50/50 options, plus with DT's involved in most arenas, it only takes 1 hit to change the outcome of a match. It is very possible to go around owning with these 4, but know if you do, you are a very elite few. Its probally because 1 of these characters have always been your fav (or in Kira's sense you are longing for Sonya), so you Mastered these people and can play them alot better than most. Does that make them High or Mid tier though (DAN!!!!!!! ::cough:: Sindel ::cough::) NO! lol.
For some of you guys that dont know me or havent played me, I dont claim to know everything, but I think my online records can help merit alot of my statements/opinions. PS2 ~ RepStyle is 1011w309loss, ShdwTear is 151w68L and on XB~ Reptilestyle coming in at 402w99L tallying in at ... A shit load of ass whooping, lol (1564w476L)

RS definately knows what hes talking about, and I really dont disagree with anything he says. I dont know SHIT about Kira, but maybe her being worse in the game is a little harsh? I dunno. Mileena is one of the worse, but if Kira is as bad as you say then I would put Mileena above her. Sindel is definately better than Mileena, but I do not think Kabal is better than Sindel. Now I will not knock Dan's Sindel style until I face him, and im sure he has one of the top(if not the TOP) Sindel('s) around, but I keep Sindel to a simple Kwan Dao style. u+2 mixed up u+1/4,4,1. If u+2 hits you have a 50/50 between another u+2 and u+1/4,4,1. If u+1/4,4,1 hits you do cs,cs,1,1,1,3,cs,4,1 for like 45 or so percent(im not 100% sure on the notation for the combo or the amount of damage it does because I havent played this game in a while or sindel for that matter ,but I know it does well over 40%). Credit goes to EdTrycycle(my training partner) for being the first person I know to come up with that style of play(though im sure Danbdab discovered that shit day one..lol) Now that combo isn't hard to set up at all, and if there's one thing Sindel is good at, it's making you waste your breakers good and early. Kabal to me has a harder time setting damage up due to less range when compared to Sindel, and he also isn't as safe as Sindel. Now she's not the safest thing ever, but the range of her Kwan Dao makes it somewhat safer than the hookswords. VS other characters I truly believe Sindel does better. That's just my opinion,however, and when you look at the top tier characters and the mid tiers its hard to find any room for Sindel anyway. She can win if you are really good with her though.
Also, I agree with RS dude, it's very easy to get confused between being great with a character and a character actually being great. In MKDA and in MKD Im very good with Sub-Zero, and I could/can fight some of the harder match ups in the two games, but I know Sub isn't that good in MKDA, and hes only decent in MKD. Hard work can somewhat overcome your character's blatant weaknesses, but its not to be mistaken with your character being good. That's just my take on it. Hope you understand us putting Sindel so low.

RepTiLeStyLe~just cuse ur kobra owns my sindel doesnt make her bad.. but i will say she is lower tier..i have seen others try and use her, and its very sad..lol *i will own ur kobra w/ her though.. u dont give me enough games to do it.. sindel is very style for style~ like vs jade,sindels fu jow pai sucks vs her 1st stance, but is great vs jades 2nd stance and soso vs jades weapon.. i have to fight ur kobra more to find out which style will work good vs his kali sticks.. i dont use her 1st stance much vs u and im thinking it may be good vs the sticks.. so hopefully some day u give me atleast 10 fights.. soon..

Hehe, yeah I've been having a really hard time beatin that bastard as well! I even have a match of me Vs Rs, Kobra Vs Kobra, recorded... You dont have to guess who wins that one.
But, I'd like to point out a little Shortie of Kobra that I made from a match over the weekend against Liu Kang. I'm not playing the whole match for you, I just want to point out some suprising (to me) counters against some of LKs moves.... I've also paused two frames real quick. One's just kinda weird, the other is a nut-shot of a counter, hehe!
So go here and watch the Kobra.wmv file... Very small... Enjoy... Peace!

Bo can still abuse anyone else in the game (with the exception of Dairou) by simply using only f+3 (no throw after it), mixed in with low pokes and puke (as well as an unguarnenteed throw) But you are right, it is that glitch that places him above Dairou.
So BRC Vs. Dairou is Bo's only mismatch in the game?What do you guys think this match results in (i.e. 6:4,7:3 etc)?
I used to think N/S had a better chance than anyone else,but I soon realized that Bo's f+3 has just so much range that it's ridiculous.Well,the move itself really doesn't look that way,but it's utterly gay how it hits BEYOND its hit box.In addition,Bo also has u+4 (in weapon stance).I'm pretty sure you guys have seen this move Vs. better Bo players.It's a side step move into a hit that knocks down and creates a perfect 50/50 mix up for f+3/Throw.This works great against Smoke's Stinky Cloud since Bo side steps and dodges the Cloud.This usually works 90% of the time from my experience.
IMO in order to play against Bo,your character needs to have a safe juggle starter,great 50/50 mix ups,a possible low poke that gives advantage to counter his 50/50 mix up,and a throw that gives you at least 50/50 mix ups (after you've thrown Bo).Safe damage against Bo is especially needed.There is no sense in playing a character against Bo who gets f+3 everytime he/she guesses right...
PS:What stance do you guys use while playing with Dairou and what mid move do you use?I want to compare it with my strats.

Playing around with Nightwolf today, this is the biggest combo I could get out of him:
Tomahawks:
2,1, >1, then 1,2,3,4 (I think its 28% or something)

C'mon dan, we played almost 60matches in one sitting about 2-2.5 weeks ago and since then a few times of about 20 matches a sitting.. I randomed about half of them, and whenever i picked i picked Kobra or Lui Kang, I'd say that was a fair shot. lol. I dont discredit you as a player, and i know you will eventually outplay my kobra (note i said outplay instead of beat) with Sindel, but Like i said earlier, It doesnt make her higher than low tier. You are hands down the best Sindel Player (as well as Tanya player) that i have seen, no one knows how to use her, but you know how to mix in that one mid hit where she does a punch/push with both hands(dont know the command), that always fucks me when you have me against the wall. Its an awsome mix up.
Vers, after reviewing my list i'd actually place Kabal one more spot higher..
20. Kabal
21. Havik
22. Sindel
23. Mileena
24. Kira
Havik and Kabal are both mostly High/Low guys with the exception of a very few (useful) mids. YOu mentioned You dont see kabal as being higher than last because of his range issue.. U are right to an extent with that. All of kabal's hits have probally the smallest overall hit box for a character. YOu need to be very close in order to connect with him, but the same goes for Havik (except he takes steps whith his short jabs/kicks).. Havik has his diving corpse, but Kabal also has his Tele Grab.. Then they both have projectiles.. Making them compariable fighters. Havik does have his regeneration, but in my experience the only safe set up for it is in his second stance with 1,1,2,cs b,f+2.. It guarantees the health regen, but keeps you right next to the opponent, leaving you all of a split second less recovery time than the guy you just grounded.. In my opinion, I'd rather take the guy with higher damage than the guy that has a guaranteed minimal health regen at an extremely close distance.
As for Kira being last, its simply because whatever you say she does, any other character can do something better, that simple.. She has no damage combos that are noteworthy.. Her only good mids are in Kenpo at either b+2 or 3.. She is more agaile than some, but whats the point with her very limited setups, small hit box, and low damage?
Dave.. Dairou is Bo's only bad match up if you dont abuse the f+3 glitch.. Without the foward three glitch, you force bo to play a distance game to be good instead of an in ur face game.. We all know when you play distance on Dairou you get a shit load of Tombstones as well as teleports.. If you like to jump away from tombstones, then you get the pleasure of his fireball that is almost impossible to jump over. If you block the fireball, im not certain, but i want to say the tombstone is guaranteed on the block recovery of the fire ball.
With Bo's Glitch i'll give him 9:1
Without glitch I'll say 3:7
Playing in ur face against Dairou is his handicap, take that ability away from bo, you are top tier..

umm it was more like less then 40, and we were both randoming.. but thats besides the point.. the 1st 2 x's we played it was less then 10 matches, and it was kobra vs sindel.. and the 1 day when we were randoming we did have 2 liu vs sindel matches, u beat me mainly cuse u did 2 things i have never seen a liu player do. that just made me find something simular w/ sindel..
sorry dont want to argue ur a kool dude.. i have added a few things to my sindel, hopefully it can stop ur kobra kali sticks.. so far vs others it has worked, but yeah thats vs others lol.. hopefully we get to play soon!! i love playing ya ,cuse ur good!!

Well, normally I stay in his first stance and do a little dance around my opponent and on his face. I'll juggle off my first tombstone with his branch into Escrima. Same to get to the sword, where his bread n butter is at. I try and stay away from too much close h2h fighting because it takes a lot of effort to time a tracking combo since u+1 & u+2 are different moves than what are required for his canned goods in the first two styles.
His sword is his best because d+1 is one of those low swiping over the head moves that counters a buncha shit, and you can buffer in a tombstone! When you connect a tombstone, 1,1,f+3 gets you roughly 33% and has a very generous hit detection area.
I 100% agree with R$ on the fact that Dairou's distance game gives Bo really big problems. Dairou > Bo, IMO...
I think Kobra gives Bo a good run for his money too. Ask JRF, he'll probably agree. We played about 10 great matches the other day... Bacically you have to BD and low fireball Bo to death. Be aware of the ground pound, but if you see it and jump it, free low fireball for kobra! In Kali, d+3 will trade hits with Bo's f+3 and you will be very far from him. Countering Bo's puke with d,b+2 really helps too.
I understand how irritating and broken f+3 is. But you can block it! If you see him approach you with the stick, play a little defensively and expect that shit. When you do block it, knock the piss out of that bastard for comin into your house and tryin to pull that crap!

As much as I like Jade, she is getting a little old for me. After practicing with Kobra and Lui Kang, I've notice that they are extrememly fast. Jade 50/50 is horrible. She only has b+1 and 3 in Kou Shu stance, and the risk factor is not good. Figure out some simple yet damaging combo with Lui Kang and Kobra that I would like to share.
Kobra, Sho Ryu Stance
2,CS,..CS,1,1,2,4,b+3, 43% damage
Lui Kang Jun Fan stance
f+2..1,1,....CS,1,1,b+1 42% damage
Oh man Kobra d+3 is freaking amazing. LOL, you can mix this with with a grab or b+3.

The thing is greg...Sindel's range is even greater than Kabal's with the same 50/50 shit out of kwan dao that does just as much as Kabal's juggles. I just don't get why Kabal would be better. Im lacking online right now, but it would make me feel a bit more at ease if you and danbdab had some Kabal vs Sindel matches or some shit. Whatever though, im not gonna question your authority about Kabal since no one around me plays him seriously. Im fine with where Havik is.
so the tier list right now is....
20. Kabal
21. Havik
22. Sindel
23. Mileena
24. Kira
hmmmm..looks pretty good to me. i would of preferred this have been done behind closed doors, but since we already started it here do you think we should continue the trend or get this shit onto AIM?

kira's higer than that, if anything she's prbly in the same tier as sub. she has "visual trans moves" or "visual stun blocks".

Vers, Im more than willing to do this on aim, or if you can get over ur friends house via online.. I got headsets on both (not sure if he plays ps/xb) I would rather do it "behind closed doors" as you say, so we dont have people contesting it every step of the way... As for playing Dan Kabal v Sindel.. i'll give anything a shot.. YOu must realize though Dan's Sindel is an exception.. Hes the mother fucker that picks Cyrax/Kitana in a high level DA tourny and wins.. I'll be lookn for ya today Dan.. I have to leave for class at 11am (thank god my last class till graduation.. woo hoo), then i'll be back around 2:30ish, maybe 3:00.. Would love to get some matches in to "Put Vers at ease".
On a side note Dan, i remember you telling me u are a poker play. You pick up World Championship Poker? IF so, im on PS2 as Dj2Scoop .. lol, dont ask.
As for the other guy saying Kira is not last... How can you justify she is mid tier (you suggest put her by sub).. That is absolutly absurd.. "She has Visual Trans moves" and "Visual stun blocks" is not a credable argument to place her 10 spots higher. She is a weak, average spead, linear fighter. The only way to play her effectively is to keep distance with her and chip away damage, when she is actually designed to play close up.. She does not do enough damage in close and probally has the worse 50/50 options in the game. Please enlighten us.

repstyle~ggs today.. i have a great idea!! since from what it looks like ur good w/ every character in the game.. how about i fight w/ my sindel vs ur "top 10" if i lose every match then i will bow down to ur feet!! oh and no glitch combos!!!!! i also want to do this w/ my kabal..
oh and ashrah gonna eat ur kobra up.. i can feel it.. i fucked up so many times i kept doing her "raiden move" lol u get me so scared i keep tapping ff lol what i was trying to do was her f +4.. oh well u beat my ashrah 3x's .. 1st match u owned me, 2nd down to danger for both of us (that was a great match!!!) 3rd 1, that tapping ff cost me and for some reason i didnt cheese u in the corner w/ her spin..i kept thinking to myself "why the fuck did i back up when i had u trapped" ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
stupid dan..!!!

not sure if anyone knows this, or if its really important, but when u wanna change styles, like example liu.. f2 11 cs 4 11 b1 u can also do whick is easier f2 11 cs + 4 11 b1

Yo bro, those matches early this morning were the most fun i've had playing this game since the game came out!!! EVERYONE was close as HELL.. Almost every match was Double Danger.. that was the shit.. Im willing to say Sindel is above kabal.. Making it Sindel, Kabal, Havik, mileena, kira. YOu cant say she is any higher, you saw how close every round was to Kabal.. she is right there on the list, next to him.
Anyway, im willing to fuck around 20-30 matches at a time.. just put a damn headset on next time so i can hear how pissed i get ya.. lol

well see i think kabal and sindel r better then low tier.. thats y i want my kabal and sindel to face ur top ten...

Well, since nobody seems to care enough to even comment on my vids, I'll just post another one!
Just a few new Kobra Kombos that are available here.