io respect your opion, BUT having also played it it is much faster paced and fun to knock people areound into death traps. theres always more to discover i.e. konquest, unlocking characters, super unlockables, and more death traps. plus weve got great characters to wokr with. ermac is very fast pace and is a fuckin beast.

That is funny that you are saying that, because the reason that the title for Decception was changed in France is that in french Mortal Kombat Deception means... Mortal Kombat Disappointment.
And as for me, I'm not disappointed at all, I'm looking forward to Deception.

Funny that Ermac is also my fav character!!!
i jus think that it seems too much lik DA thats all,i still like it but to me it's more of an upgrade

MKD will not dissapoint, the gameplay will sort of feel like DA, but from what ive heard from players of the game, that it has been moved up to a faster pace.

What were you expecting? There wasn't that huge of a jump between MK1 and MK2... just more characters, faster gameplay, more moves, more fatalities.

DANNY_LAO Wrote: Funny that Ermac is also my fav character!!! i jus think that it seems too much lik DA thats all,i still like it but to me it's more of an upgrade

the demos at gamerstar wheren't complete fighting engines. my uncle chuchie who is a comp. wiz always is helping out at theose gamerstar thigns and he sed the pace will flow better and it wont be like punch punch kik kik. more flowing and fast. plus he said uppercuts are back and that s awesome. i cant say the amt. of times ive lost cuz it was a nailbiter and i froze someone and meant to uppercut in mkda but i forgot it was out.

Scarecrow Wrote: What were you expecting? There wasn't that huge of a jump between MK1 and MK2... just more characters, faster gameplay, more moves, more fatalities.

Not to mention crossover jumping, floating HP's, cancelling air moves, a knockdown standing b+HK, a floating crouching LP, a juggle system, a mid-standing LK that was useful, airthrows, reduced staggers, damage-tweaks, etc.
But who remembers gameplay changes like those.

subzero_olderbro Wrote: io respect your opion, BUT having also played it it is much faster paced and fun to knock people areound into death traps. theres always more to discover i.e. konquest, unlocking characters, super unlockables, and more death traps. plus weve got great characters to wokr with. ermac is very fast pace and is a fuckin beast.

Same thing here in Bolivia. But the title stays the same.

Read that more moves part?

HDTran Wrote: Scarecrow Wrote: What were you expecting? There wasn't that huge of a jump between MK1 and MK2... just more characters, faster gameplay, more moves, more fatalities. Not to mention crossover jumping, floating HP's, cancelling air moves, a knockdown standing b+HK, a floating crouching LP, a juggle system, a mid-standing LK that was useful, airthrows, reduced staggers, damage-tweaks, etc. But who remembers gameplay changes like those.

er... they're the same moves, but with the updated game mechanics and juggle system they've recieved new properties.. like standing HPs wouldn't have created float if there wasn't a juggle system in MK2 and they used one like in MK1.. er.. nevermind..

Bah. It's safe to say that the majority of the fans will like it (if they liked MKDA, which I didnt).
To anyone else that cares about other stuff than more fatalities, death traps, more characters, puzzle, chess and konquest mode, yes, the game will be disappointing.
Like DANNY_LAO said, the ring outs will probably get tiring after a while.
I wish they wouldnt spent more time making the game actually different than MKDA. (Not talking about extra features).
Bah, I can say what I want, but even though I hated MKDA, I still played it like mad just because it was Mortal Kombat... and Mortal Kombat itself owns. I like the atmosphere. But atmosphere doesnt cut it anymore nowadays (I'll still probably rent the game).

I dunno I wasn't expecting huge advancements for mk:D... I think/hope we will have maybe a new engine for mk7.

MK7 is to far away they should of fixxed it in this game but maybe it is better who knows.Hopefully you can turn off combo breakers that might speed things up a little.I just hope they put useful stuff in this krpyt and tons of arenas ect.Gameplay is what makes the game not fatalities like look at mk3 or umk3 they didnt really have good fatalities but the fighting engine is fast and fun and you can do crazy combos.Well i guess we will have to wait and see.

Anybody who actually knows anything about fighters knew that D was going to be nothing more than a tweaked DA. That being said, the mechanics and gameplay are going to blow, again. Do people even know what they are saying when they spit out "it plays faster?" Seriously, that is the most arbitrary, inconsistent and grossely generalized discription...ever. A few frames of animation were taken out, whoopdie-fucking-doo...
The asthetics are decent, IMO. It's just a gimmick franshise, now. What's so sad is that most people don't care. These past six or so years gamers have been trained, by the whorde of shit that's been released, to accept trash. Not only to accept it, but to actually defend it.
It's realy sad, actually. That the standards of gamers have been totally raped.

i do believe you can turn off death traps

I'm probably repeating what others have said, but what did you expect?! Soul Calibur 2 is similar to Soul Calibur 1, Dead or Alive 3 was similar to Dead or Alive 2...and now Mortal Kombat Deception will be similar to MK:DA. This is expanding and improving on an existing game and making it better, faster, more varied, etc. I loved MK:DA...it wasnt as good as SC2, but still very enjoyable. MKD looks like it could be as good as, if not better than SC2, so i cant wait to play it.
Also they are still making small adjustments...the graphics in Konquest are looking better, and certain characters/weapons, ie. Jades Spear, are being improved visually. I really think this is going to be a great game!!!

Umm, haven't they said from the beginning that Mortal Kombat Deception is built off of MKDA's engine?
Also have they not stated that, the coding has been re written and tweaked, thus the gameplay is now different, though the engine is the same doesn't mean it couldn't have been enhanced.
I've seen the videos and i can already tell that a lot more has been changed then is entirely obvious. Calling this game an upgrade would also be rather silly. Maybe, if they added three characters and one special move to each of the old ones you could call it an upgrade. But it's got a whole different plot, all the characters have moved on to new looks/moves, the environments are new, everything is either different or new, EXCEPT the engine.
Look at Unreal and unreal Tournament, same engine with some advances, same with UT2003 and UT2004 then after that youg et other games using the same engine too. How many people who've played FarCry and UT2003 would say they're similar? WHy should they make a new engine for every game? What's the point?
Mortal Kombat Deception looks like professional quality stuff, they looked like they've tried to cover everything the fans would want while keeping the game fun and playable, i commend them for it.

I think i'll stop sharing my opinion on this soon. It's starting to get old after replying 9 times with the same response.
Nobody should be surprised if this game is lacking.
Every past MK was nothing special in the gameplay department, so i can't imagine why people would have thought MK:D would be any different.
I didn't get my hopes up (gameplay wise, i mean. I'm looking forward to all the other stuff that i'll soon get sick of), so i'm not disappointed at all. I advise you all to do the same with the next installment and you'll either feel indifferent when a crappy sequal is released, or pleasently surprised when something nice is finally churned out.
I think Satyagraha is right. Everybody has just come to accept and defend it, thinking it's good, when in actual fact the only reason people play is for the gimmick, which is slowly getting old. I believe time is running out though. Soon people will either grow bored of it and stop playing/buying MK games when the violence hits it's highest point, or realise "hey wait a second, this isn't as good as any of these other 3D fighters, why aren't i playing them?". Either way, they need to shape up and cater for people older than 12. Quick.
(On a side note, does anybody else find it sort of funny that an R18 game's target audience is pretty much preteens?)

i must admit to begin with I thought Deception was a big let down. but if u think about, like a lot of others have said, there werent that much differences between MK1-MK2-MK3. The first main difference was MK4 then MKDA was a huge leap forward.
I think the developers etc have realised that gamers want a whole lot more in a sequel, but they are some what limited with the engine they use, so thats why theyve given us puzzle and chess kombat as well as konquest. That way we're getting extras to make up for what might semm a lack of uprgrade in the ifghting system.

Everyone has their own opinions why MKD, and MKDA sucks. Personally changing the fighting system from the old version with HP, LP, HK, LK, etc. to Attack 1, 2, 3, 4, etc. was a bad idea. Now MK is just like every other bad 3D fighter out there like Tekken, and Soul Caliber for example. I am still glad that the Street Fighter games keep to their original button configuration, and 2D moduel. Sure it looks way out of date, but it stuck with the game's orignal idea. MK4/MK GOld was still a 2D game placed with 3D backrounds. You could only move left, and right, but you could step back, or forward. In MKDA, and MKD you can walk around in a huge circle. Trying to crounch is impossible, and trying to jump is also impossible. The game play should not have changed in MK. For true MK fans, they see it. We want our jumping, and crouching back as well as the old button style.

Ummmm! You think Mortal Kombat Deception sucks, am i the only person who hasn't played it or something, how can you know it sucks with playing it, like, the playability is determined without palying it somehow?
If you don't like 3D beat em ups i'm confused why your even in this forum really.
I'm entirely unconvinced that it's a bad game that only succeeds due to a gimmick, it seems to hav eyou posting all about it, that strikes me as one success, you played it and you played it enough to visit a related forum. You either like the game or you don't, if you don't, don't play it. If MKDA failed in anyway it's because they were trying something entirely new and they did a damned good job of it, Deception is the next step up, judging it before it's even in your hands is foolish.
If you only played because of a gimmick then it's your own loss really.

Can't find the edit button but on a sidenote, jumping and crouching is easy in MKDA! I do it all the time!
(Edit- Damn found the edit message button now! Urgh!)

Personally, I'm completely satisfied by MK evolution... 10, 20, 30 combos hits presented no interest in my opinion, and contributed only to kill the fun of the game... As for the fact of not being able any more to crouch or jump, I think this is just a detail, I don't care really about that... Does it mean that I am not a true MK fan? This reasoning is a little bit stupid... :/

MKDA was not the game it could have been,the controls were sluggish
also if u used certain moves ie impale u were literally guaranteed victory if u ran away/keep your opponent away(i'm glad they got rid of this in MKD)
But having PLAYED MKD the game (which was s'posed to be 80% complete) had the same sluggish feel and was even easier ie death traps

Bad_Girl_Love Wrote: I'm probably repeating what others have said, but what did you expect?! Soul Calibur 2 is similar to Soul Calibur 1, Dead or Alive 3 was similar to Dead or Alive 2...and now Mortal Kombat Deception will be similar to MK:DA. This is expanding and improving on an existing game and making it better, faster, more varied, etc. I loved MK:DA...it wasnt as good as SC2, but still very enjoyable. MKD looks like it could be as good as, if not better than SC2, so i cant wait to play it. Also they are still making small adjustments...the graphics in Konquest are looking better, and certain characters/weapons, ie. Jades Spear, are being improved visually. I really think this is going to be a great game!!!