My overall outlook at the many negative fans on here judging MK8 already and my outlook on MK8-MKvs.DC. Read
My overall outlook at the many negative fans on here judging MK8 already and my outlook on MK8-MKvs.DC. Read
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posted04/27/2008 09:58 PM (UTC)byMember Since
01/30/2005 01:06 AM (UTC)
Well, I guess it was inevidable that I had to make my own thread but before doing so wish to point out a few obvious observations.....
#1. Since the announcement of MK8 aka MK vs. DC. I have to admit, at this point in time I'm more disappointed in a lot of fans rather then the next MK game and lack of optimism being corrupted by pure negativity.For one, we have at least 20% fans hating this game out of pure "hatred for DC, Batman, Superman etc" 20% of fans who hate the game already and have it judged because "OMG no fatalities"? That's another 20% and the final 10% I'd say already have gameplay judged...all after one, little teaser vid not even a minute long....pathetic. First off, "fatalities" don't make the game, gameplay, storyline, new modes and darkness make MK. Fatalities are just a part of it, but what a lot of fans forget is that Fatalities aren't nearly the big of deal as they were back then in the 90's. I should know being that I grew up during the originals and not just the Mk4+3D ones like I'd say 50% of fans on here.....at least.
So far that's 50% in total, while the other 50% are at least openminded or support the idea.50/50 I've noticed. The people for this idea and the ones completely against it and have it judged already.
#2. Aside from the fact that in the other 50% of fans(me being one of them) feeling that it's sheer dumb, silly or arrogant to already have MK8 judged yet it's 7 months before coming out....I simply don't understand why some "self proclaimed" fans of the series MK or DC continue and insist to judge a book by it's mere cover....I'm sorry, but to me this is totally illogical, ignorant and arrogant. And it's not just because I'm a big MK fan, in defense of MK but just a general observation of things on this site on these forums and others sometimes.
You see, it can be a new movie, new car, new game, new series or new sports season....I just can't stand and honestly hate it when someone judges something BEFORE the season starts, movie comes out or in this case MK8 comes out. For God's sake, give the damn game a CHANCE, play it, check it out, rent it, understand the gameplay before judging it because honestly NOT doing that and then judging the game is just silly. Think of this for a second, for those on here that have jobs/work when you have your yearly evaluations(progress reports or not depending) would you want your boss and customers to judge you while you're job "isn't completed" or prefer being judged when you're not finished yet? Of course you want to wait to be judged/evaluated because you're not finished yet right? Well, I know I sure as hell don't. Same thing here, it seems lots of people on here just seem to be never satisfied with Midway or Boon at this point. Granted, they're not perfect but who the hell is honestly? lol
#3. This BS that's being said now about "DC isn't dark and blah, blah, blah" is just that. BS. If you don't know this, then check out some of the many DC threads on here and why it's indeed a dark series at times just like MK is. Granted, DC and Marvel overall aren't nearly as dark, errie as MK is but they do have some darkness to it. DC has lots of stories with Batman, Superman, Robin, GA, GL, Darkseid etc I could go on an on. In fact for the Batman haters on here, are you aware that Batman literally had his back snapped in one comic? Pretty nasty if you ask me, Superman-Doomsday..let's just say whoever doesn't know or at least heard about that by now lives in a hole, isolated from the world. But that was very dark and depressing. So for those of you thinking DC is not dark, think again it very darn well can be. Then there's also one of their Vertigo series with TONS of dark stories to name a few popular ones Constantine and V for Vendetta. And I know damn well those two would fit in nicely.
#4. Ok, concerning negative nancies and hypocritical "fans" on here here's why I say that...no, no, no not to insult you but rather the poll on MKO. Despite the fact of who believe this and who didn't, the polls don't lie and are pretty damn close if you ask me observe the latest poll numbers:
Do you want Mortal Kombat 8 to be a crossover game?
Yes (33.8%)
No (36.6%)
Depends on what it is (29.4%)
hmmm, ok now let's observe here and break this down a little. So, according to the past few days some people that hate this idea claim that "most Mk fans feel this is a dumb idea and hate it" yet this poll which is constantly being voted on for the past few weeks now seems to show otherwise. And considering all the negative feedback within the past few days that sure is a close % 33.8 being for a crossover vs. 36.6 being not for it. That's only a 3% difference, wow...such a huge margin right there and of course the third option on the Depends on what it is being 29.4% and even that's not too far behind, but I mainly wanted to compare the % for a crossover game in general vs. the ones opposed.
So, I don't know...is it the fact that people just "hate" DC even though the question was open to interpretation on ANY possible series DC or otherwise. Or is it perhaps all the closeminded fans out of the woodwork just registering on MKO for the sake of saying "OMG no fatAlities" and Batman out of pure ignorance on the subject?!?!? This game will suck balls!!"....... not realizing that other important things make a game solid/whole such as gameplay, characters, online play and storyline? hmmm" yet without actually backing it up with a good, solid argument? Then there's the Boon/Midway haters but they just amuse me because it's obvious to me that those people for the most part apparently haven't played every MK game up to this point and are judging based off MKD and MKA.....LAME
#5. Everyone on here is entitled to their own individual "point of view" or opinions, and should you disagree with me that's fine..that's not what what bothers me, what bothers me as an MK fan is that people are acting as if their opinions on this game are "fact" and that's simply not true. Especially with posts such as "DC is not dark and all the characters suck" are you people that feel this way even aware that Superman is the most iconic comic book character of all time? And that factually there's two characters worldwide that everyone knows in Superman and Mickey Mouse? Yes, I said Mickey Mouse...as silly as that might sound, both are the most well known, fictional characters in the world. So DC haters or "pro marvel fans" chew on that.
#6. Gameplay, ok as many others on here have said MasterMalone, TTT, myself, Damien, Subman799, The Krypt to name a few big, veteran names among many others have said on here....the gameplay IS and WILL be different then MKD and MKA, this is a fact. Besides Midway saying this for months as well but since we've seen a teaser, this is obvious now. Plus Being a player of high level online via xbox live, I can already tell since there's no weapons(as boon even said) no multiple fighting styles(as boon even said) and no "air kombat' that the gameplay will be different and I'm sure improved, so please...humor me and explain how the hell the gameplay isn't different when in fact it is? What facts do you have behind you can you post literally to prove this wrong. There's apparently grapples in the game now, looks to be rid of dial ups(which quite a few gameplay fans wanted out), no multiple styles, no weapons and no interactive "death traps" the stages are still very much interactive and multi-tier
#7. Graphics-granted, it's not GOW looking exactly or at least not yet....but to say it's the "same as MKD and MKA" is just absurd. For those of you that actually read TRMK's report based on people who were there personally in Vegas, they even said the graphics were gorgeous, crisp and you could see the details on the clothes...not to mention(which we haven't seen yet) Boon mentioning the fact that this time we will get torn clothes, more realistic animations, details on the clothes and more detailed bruising which we've already seen a little bit in the past 3 MK's. The arenas are larger, darker, more crisp and presented well from that little trailer...and mind you this is months before the game is polished, finished and released so please...feel free to rip it before playing it(even though that's utterly dumb logic by definition) I'm sure those of you who are already past judgement know what you're talking about......the reality is the games not out yet so you don't know. Hell, even I don't know...what I'm sure of though is that it won't be the same as the previous few games, that I'm sure of. There's a lot of new elements added to gameplay to be observed.
#8. The Midway/Boon haters and bitch about the "change" ok, let me get this straight after month upon months of anxiously waiting for news, staying up late or what have you....you're telling me that you're not in the least bit excited or satisfied with the news? Right? Ok......but yet do you realize that you(we) as the fans that have bitched and complained to Midway have gotten what we asked for more times then none? Let's see here, in MK:DA we were hyped because it was the first MK game in 5 years since Mk4. Everyone knows how Mk4 was received so no need to go into that. Fans wanted online play in MKD and two fatalities instead of one in MK:DA. Check online play, check 2 fatalities+ hara kiri's, we wanted classic characters back from the older MK days. Check guys like Kabal, Ermac, Noob, Smoke, Mileena, Baraka etc check, check, check, check....we wanted a better konquest mode. Check, the mini games are a bonus as far as I'm concerned but for the most part most fans loved one or the other so check.
Then, the fans bitched about things such ok midway, put EVERYONE in the next game, improve konquest and how about a KAK mode...check, check and check....ohh yes, then we had the "certain" fans obsessed with Khameleon, Chameleon..check, check...OMG they're not good looking enough or it's not what I wanted. Fuck Midway! Even though they addressed the fans with every characters, it still wasn't enough. Then I remember reading about fans bitching about "arcade ladders not long enough" wow....you have got to be kidding me lol. Then there was the bio gig, in which if you want to blame someone blame "Midway" NOT the MK team....what's more important, completing 60+ bios or start working, improving on the next MK game? Not to mention, what Midway says, Midway gets. Some of you fans act as if the MK team calls all the decisions or is it just the fact that perhaps you're not aware of how the business world works?
Those fans I tell you are hopeless and ungrateful in my eyes and always will be. If you agree with me, great if not...sorry I'm still not changing my opinion on that concept.
#9.For those fans that think this is a "gimmick" to sell, well that's flawless logic right there because let's see here, if that's the case then everything or every company at some point has tried that. Let's see here, PS3 with the "great Blu Ray" because that's a great reason to buy one, or the 360 elite because it's black and has more memory...or the wii with the wii-mote motions, although it's tough to knock the wii since as silly as the idea looked a few years ago, it worked out really well and where are all those wii haters now? Exactly....
Not to mention this isn't the first crossover, we've seen MVC2 with SF and Marvel characters(although a fun game, still broken), SC with characters like Spawn and Link?! ohh what about SC4 with Vader and Yoda now making an appearance, because we all know that makes perfect sense....so my point is, and question for you is. You're telling me that doesn't have "marketing gimmick" in some form written all over it to try to sell better? B U L L S H I T
I'm willing to bet anything right now that MK8 will explain things well and much better then SC4 will to try to justify SW characters being in the SC universe....I can be wrong, but I'd still bet my money on it.
Solid Snake in SSBB, I knew lots of MGS fans that hated that idea or thought it was "weird" to have an M rated character appear in a kiddy, party fighting game with characters such as Mario and Pikachu. Yet, that turned out to turn out real well.
So, in a nutshell if ALL of those ideas worked out and can work, then you bet your ass so can MK vs. DC.
#10.LOL@ the fans in serious denial here with hating or not liking this idea soooo much..that they've managed to convince themselves that this isn't really "MK8" or an "MK game" because DC is involved like a bad dream or something lol when in reality, it really is MK8. Hate to bust your MK8 bubble to those fans on here that don't consider this a "real MK game" it is and it's as real as the nuke bomb. I'll say it again, THIS IS MK8. Deal with it. That's not to say MK9 won't go back to the "strick exclusive MK roots" but this is your MK8 Mk vs. DC. Read it and weep or accept it for what it is.
In closing, thank you for your time all MK fans of both sides. I'm sure and expect to get flamed by certain users, disagreeing minds and agreeing ones as well on all of my points but just remember this. I have no problem respecting all views, just don't A.Flame me because you feel differently or expect a positive responce should you decide to do so and B. Judge a Book by it's cover. As a longtime, openminded, veteran MK and DC fanatic I ask of you to just give it a chance and play it before reaching a verdict because if you're well past judgement already on MK8 off the first teaser and info thus far, then you shouldn't even follow the MK series anymore or buy it. Let the next casual fan or MK fan buy it and enjoy it.
Now, my personal opinion is that I'm looking forward to this game it IS indeed a drastic change and I'm going to be optimistic about it and wait til the game actually comes out before judging it. From what I see thus far, I like what I see and only see it improving in many areas.
Later
M.K.F.30

#1. Since the announcement of MK8 aka MK vs. DC. I have to admit, at this point in time I'm more disappointed in a lot of fans rather then the next MK game and lack of optimism being corrupted by pure negativity.For one, we have at least 20% fans hating this game out of pure "hatred for DC, Batman, Superman etc" 20% of fans who hate the game already and have it judged because "OMG no fatalities"? That's another 20% and the final 10% I'd say already have gameplay judged...all after one, little teaser vid not even a minute long....pathetic. First off, "fatalities" don't make the game, gameplay, storyline, new modes and darkness make MK. Fatalities are just a part of it, but what a lot of fans forget is that Fatalities aren't nearly the big of deal as they were back then in the 90's. I should know being that I grew up during the originals and not just the Mk4+3D ones like I'd say 50% of fans on here.....at least.
So far that's 50% in total, while the other 50% are at least openminded or support the idea.50/50 I've noticed. The people for this idea and the ones completely against it and have it judged already.
#2. Aside from the fact that in the other 50% of fans(me being one of them) feeling that it's sheer dumb, silly or arrogant to already have MK8 judged yet it's 7 months before coming out....I simply don't understand why some "self proclaimed" fans of the series MK or DC continue and insist to judge a book by it's mere cover....I'm sorry, but to me this is totally illogical, ignorant and arrogant. And it's not just because I'm a big MK fan, in defense of MK but just a general observation of things on this site on these forums and others sometimes.
You see, it can be a new movie, new car, new game, new series or new sports season....I just can't stand and honestly hate it when someone judges something BEFORE the season starts, movie comes out or in this case MK8 comes out. For God's sake, give the damn game a CHANCE, play it, check it out, rent it, understand the gameplay before judging it because honestly NOT doing that and then judging the game is just silly. Think of this for a second, for those on here that have jobs/work when you have your yearly evaluations(progress reports or not depending) would you want your boss and customers to judge you while you're job "isn't completed" or prefer being judged when you're not finished yet? Of course you want to wait to be judged/evaluated because you're not finished yet right? Well, I know I sure as hell don't. Same thing here, it seems lots of people on here just seem to be never satisfied with Midway or Boon at this point. Granted, they're not perfect but who the hell is honestly? lol
#3. This BS that's being said now about "DC isn't dark and blah, blah, blah" is just that. BS. If you don't know this, then check out some of the many DC threads on here and why it's indeed a dark series at times just like MK is. Granted, DC and Marvel overall aren't nearly as dark, errie as MK is but they do have some darkness to it. DC has lots of stories with Batman, Superman, Robin, GA, GL, Darkseid etc I could go on an on. In fact for the Batman haters on here, are you aware that Batman literally had his back snapped in one comic? Pretty nasty if you ask me, Superman-Doomsday..let's just say whoever doesn't know or at least heard about that by now lives in a hole, isolated from the world. But that was very dark and depressing. So for those of you thinking DC is not dark, think again it very darn well can be. Then there's also one of their Vertigo series with TONS of dark stories to name a few popular ones Constantine and V for Vendetta. And I know damn well those two would fit in nicely.
#4. Ok, concerning negative nancies and hypocritical "fans" on here here's why I say that...no, no, no not to insult you but rather the poll on MKO. Despite the fact of who believe this and who didn't, the polls don't lie and are pretty damn close if you ask me observe the latest poll numbers:
Do you want Mortal Kombat 8 to be a crossover game?
Yes (33.8%)
No (36.6%)
Depends on what it is (29.4%)
hmmm, ok now let's observe here and break this down a little. So, according to the past few days some people that hate this idea claim that "most Mk fans feel this is a dumb idea and hate it" yet this poll which is constantly being voted on for the past few weeks now seems to show otherwise. And considering all the negative feedback within the past few days that sure is a close % 33.8 being for a crossover vs. 36.6 being not for it. That's only a 3% difference, wow...such a huge margin right there and of course the third option on the Depends on what it is being 29.4% and even that's not too far behind, but I mainly wanted to compare the % for a crossover game in general vs. the ones opposed.
So, I don't know...is it the fact that people just "hate" DC even though the question was open to interpretation on ANY possible series DC or otherwise. Or is it perhaps all the closeminded fans out of the woodwork just registering on MKO for the sake of saying "OMG no fatAlities" and Batman out of pure ignorance on the subject?!?!? This game will suck balls!!"....... not realizing that other important things make a game solid/whole such as gameplay, characters, online play and storyline? hmmm" yet without actually backing it up with a good, solid argument? Then there's the Boon/Midway haters but they just amuse me because it's obvious to me that those people for the most part apparently haven't played every MK game up to this point and are judging based off MKD and MKA.....LAME
#5. Everyone on here is entitled to their own individual "point of view" or opinions, and should you disagree with me that's fine..that's not what what bothers me, what bothers me as an MK fan is that people are acting as if their opinions on this game are "fact" and that's simply not true. Especially with posts such as "DC is not dark and all the characters suck" are you people that feel this way even aware that Superman is the most iconic comic book character of all time? And that factually there's two characters worldwide that everyone knows in Superman and Mickey Mouse? Yes, I said Mickey Mouse...as silly as that might sound, both are the most well known, fictional characters in the world. So DC haters or "pro marvel fans" chew on that.
#6. Gameplay, ok as many others on here have said MasterMalone, TTT, myself, Damien, Subman799, The Krypt to name a few big, veteran names among many others have said on here....the gameplay IS and WILL be different then MKD and MKA, this is a fact. Besides Midway saying this for months as well but since we've seen a teaser, this is obvious now. Plus Being a player of high level online via xbox live, I can already tell since there's no weapons(as boon even said) no multiple fighting styles(as boon even said) and no "air kombat' that the gameplay will be different and I'm sure improved, so please...humor me and explain how the hell the gameplay isn't different when in fact it is? What facts do you have behind you can you post literally to prove this wrong. There's apparently grapples in the game now, looks to be rid of dial ups(which quite a few gameplay fans wanted out), no multiple styles, no weapons and no interactive "death traps" the stages are still very much interactive and multi-tier
#7. Graphics-granted, it's not GOW looking exactly or at least not yet....but to say it's the "same as MKD and MKA" is just absurd. For those of you that actually read TRMK's report based on people who were there personally in Vegas, they even said the graphics were gorgeous, crisp and you could see the details on the clothes...not to mention(which we haven't seen yet) Boon mentioning the fact that this time we will get torn clothes, more realistic animations, details on the clothes and more detailed bruising which we've already seen a little bit in the past 3 MK's. The arenas are larger, darker, more crisp and presented well from that little trailer...and mind you this is months before the game is polished, finished and released so please...feel free to rip it before playing it(even though that's utterly dumb logic by definition) I'm sure those of you who are already past judgement know what you're talking about......the reality is the games not out yet so you don't know. Hell, even I don't know...what I'm sure of though is that it won't be the same as the previous few games, that I'm sure of. There's a lot of new elements added to gameplay to be observed.
#8. The Midway/Boon haters and bitch about the "change" ok, let me get this straight after month upon months of anxiously waiting for news, staying up late or what have you....you're telling me that you're not in the least bit excited or satisfied with the news? Right? Ok......but yet do you realize that you(we) as the fans that have bitched and complained to Midway have gotten what we asked for more times then none? Let's see here, in MK:DA we were hyped because it was the first MK game in 5 years since Mk4. Everyone knows how Mk4 was received so no need to go into that. Fans wanted online play in MKD and two fatalities instead of one in MK:DA. Check online play, check 2 fatalities+ hara kiri's, we wanted classic characters back from the older MK days. Check guys like Kabal, Ermac, Noob, Smoke, Mileena, Baraka etc check, check, check, check....we wanted a better konquest mode. Check, the mini games are a bonus as far as I'm concerned but for the most part most fans loved one or the other so check.
Then, the fans bitched about things such ok midway, put EVERYONE in the next game, improve konquest and how about a KAK mode...check, check and check....ohh yes, then we had the "certain" fans obsessed with Khameleon, Chameleon..check, check...OMG they're not good looking enough or it's not what I wanted. Fuck Midway! Even though they addressed the fans with every characters, it still wasn't enough. Then I remember reading about fans bitching about "arcade ladders not long enough" wow....you have got to be kidding me lol. Then there was the bio gig, in which if you want to blame someone blame "Midway" NOT the MK team....what's more important, completing 60+ bios or start working, improving on the next MK game? Not to mention, what Midway says, Midway gets. Some of you fans act as if the MK team calls all the decisions or is it just the fact that perhaps you're not aware of how the business world works?
Those fans I tell you are hopeless and ungrateful in my eyes and always will be. If you agree with me, great if not...sorry I'm still not changing my opinion on that concept.
#9.For those fans that think this is a "gimmick" to sell, well that's flawless logic right there because let's see here, if that's the case then everything or every company at some point has tried that. Let's see here, PS3 with the "great Blu Ray" because that's a great reason to buy one, or the 360 elite because it's black and has more memory...or the wii with the wii-mote motions, although it's tough to knock the wii since as silly as the idea looked a few years ago, it worked out really well and where are all those wii haters now? Exactly....
Not to mention this isn't the first crossover, we've seen MVC2 with SF and Marvel characters(although a fun game, still broken), SC with characters like Spawn and Link?! ohh what about SC4 with Vader and Yoda now making an appearance, because we all know that makes perfect sense....so my point is, and question for you is. You're telling me that doesn't have "marketing gimmick" in some form written all over it to try to sell better? B U L L S H I T
I'm willing to bet anything right now that MK8 will explain things well and much better then SC4 will to try to justify SW characters being in the SC universe....I can be wrong, but I'd still bet my money on it.
Solid Snake in SSBB, I knew lots of MGS fans that hated that idea or thought it was "weird" to have an M rated character appear in a kiddy, party fighting game with characters such as Mario and Pikachu. Yet, that turned out to turn out real well.
So, in a nutshell if ALL of those ideas worked out and can work, then you bet your ass so can MK vs. DC.
#10.LOL@ the fans in serious denial here with hating or not liking this idea soooo much..that they've managed to convince themselves that this isn't really "MK8" or an "MK game" because DC is involved like a bad dream or something lol when in reality, it really is MK8. Hate to bust your MK8 bubble to those fans on here that don't consider this a "real MK game" it is and it's as real as the nuke bomb. I'll say it again, THIS IS MK8. Deal with it. That's not to say MK9 won't go back to the "strick exclusive MK roots" but this is your MK8 Mk vs. DC. Read it and weep or accept it for what it is.
In closing, thank you for your time all MK fans of both sides. I'm sure and expect to get flamed by certain users, disagreeing minds and agreeing ones as well on all of my points but just remember this. I have no problem respecting all views, just don't A.Flame me because you feel differently or expect a positive responce should you decide to do so and B. Judge a Book by it's cover. As a longtime, openminded, veteran MK and DC fanatic I ask of you to just give it a chance and play it before reaching a verdict because if you're well past judgement already on MK8 off the first teaser and info thus far, then you shouldn't even follow the MK series anymore or buy it. Let the next casual fan or MK fan buy it and enjoy it.
Now, my personal opinion is that I'm looking forward to this game it IS indeed a drastic change and I'm going to be optimistic about it and wait til the game actually comes out before judging it. From what I see thus far, I like what I see and only see it improving in many areas.
Later
M.K.F.30
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FUCKING exactly! I don't feel that it's necessary to repeat, because you basically said everything I'm trying to say as well.
Thanks for this thread Legend!
CHEERS!
Thanks for this thread Legend!
CHEERS!
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You make very valid points, and do so in a manner that should not get flamed. I totally respect your opinion. I think that you should respect my opinion though that I have no interest in a Mortal Kombat game unless it solely is that... a MK game.
I'm not whining, I just freely admit that I have no interest in DC comics or a MK game featuring an entire different fighting and storied universe. I respect the fact that this is something different, and that Midway believes they are taking a positive risk... I expect others to respect the fact that I have no interest in this game. I still love MK and the folks on this site, and I'll continue to check back every so often just to see what's new and talk to friends.
I'm not whining, I just freely admit that I have no interest in DC comics or a MK game featuring an entire different fighting and storied universe. I respect the fact that this is something different, and that Midway believes they are taking a positive risk... I expect others to respect the fact that I have no interest in this game. I still love MK and the folks on this site, and I'll continue to check back every so often just to see what's new and talk to friends.
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rubin56555 Wrote:
You make very valid points, and do so in a manner that should not get flamed. I totally respect your opinion. I think that you should respect my opinion though that I have no interest in a Mortal Kombat game unless it solely is that... a MK game.
I'm not whining, I just freely admit that I have no interest in DC comics or a MK game featuring an entire different fighting and storied universe. I respect the fact that this is something different, and that Midway believes they are taking a positive risk... I expect others to respect the fact that I have no interest in this game. I still love MK and the folks on this site, and I'll continue to check back every so often just to see what's new and talk to friends.
You make very valid points, and do so in a manner that should not get flamed. I totally respect your opinion. I think that you should respect my opinion though that I have no interest in a Mortal Kombat game unless it solely is that... a MK game.
I'm not whining, I just freely admit that I have no interest in DC comics or a MK game featuring an entire different fighting and storied universe. I respect the fact that this is something different, and that Midway believes they are taking a positive risk... I expect others to respect the fact that I have no interest in this game. I still love MK and the folks on this site, and I'll continue to check back every so often just to see what's new and talk to friends.
I'm just like Rubin. While I accept that MK v DC is bound to happen I still fundamentally believe it is a lame thing to do. I've heard people talk about other crossovers but where are those games today?
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Ok, trax and Rubin I respect your views guys. I'm sure you'll give it a chance at least, you never know you might end up enjoying it more then you might have thought intially.
Why? Explanation please....that's not a good explanation and yes it very well can be called MK since it has MK characters and a storyline as always.
I'm all ears man
@subfrost, thank you. I had all of this in me for the past few days but had so many things to address and say it was overload lol until now. I feel the same way
bruto Wrote:
It can't be called Mortal kombat anymore.to me it's a rediculous game and a piece of shit
It can't be called Mortal kombat anymore.to me it's a rediculous game and a piece of shit
Why? Explanation please....that's not a good explanation and yes it very well can be called MK since it has MK characters and a storyline as always.
I'm all ears man
@subfrost, thank you. I had all of this in me for the past few days but had so many things to address and say it was overload lol until now. I feel the same way
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bruto Wrote:
It can't be called Mortal kombat anymore.to me it's a rediculous game and a piece of shit
It can't be called Mortal kombat anymore.to me it's a rediculous game and a piece of shit
Oh so a crossover idea should never come in contact with another creator of Midway, is that it?
Look, seriously, look:
Almost all of the popular fighting games like Street Fighter, King of Fighters and a few other popular fighting games, have all made crossover once and a while. Sure they were not as gory as Mortal Kombat is, but who cares! It was their turn for a crossover, now its Mortal Kombat's turn.
Not to mention, in the thread I made, that basically we fans all made a comment that Mortal Kombat needed a change with the game after Armageddon... so technically... here's the change.
Not to mention, you're one of a thousand fans who already judged the book by it's cover... I think I'm going to be adding that phrase in my signature in bery big letters to show everyone to stop judging the game when we only have like what, one trailer that shows only Sub-Zero, Scrorpion (I beleive) and Batman fighting! Yeah, stop whining.
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I remember a very long time ago at the E3 of 1999 or 2000. A relativley unknown developer named Bungie debuted a trailer for a then-unknown game named Halo. The public scoffed at it, laughed and said "Look at those graphics! Look at that gun! Does the main character really have to look like a microwave? The animations are too stiff. The AI needs improvement. The Aliens are such a rip-off of the Predator movies."
Look how that turned out....The best-selling FPS franchise of all time. People judged the game based on a 35 second trailer and had already concluded the game would be a critical and financial failure.
Moral of the story: You don't know if something is going to be good unless you have the finished product.
Oh, and very nice post by the way. I'm behind Boon and Midway Chicago 100%.
Look how that turned out....The best-selling FPS franchise of all time. People judged the game based on a 35 second trailer and had already concluded the game would be a critical and financial failure.
Moral of the story: You don't know if something is going to be good unless you have the finished product.
Oh, and very nice post by the way. I'm behind Boon and Midway Chicago 100%.


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Let me start with a note of honesty: I only read about two thirds of your post because A) I need to smoke a huge bowl of hookah with some friends in 15 minutes and B) I really only have time to respond to your first three points. I do promise to finish reading your post later tonight since from your other posts I've read over the last few weeks, your thoughts have a lot of merit.
Let's start with your first point: one cannot properly judge a game without playing it directly. Your argument succeeds if there are elements in the game that can only be judged via direct contact, and there is one element that qualifies: gameplay.
But the problem with your argument is that most of us aren't judging the gameplay. Most of us don't play MK for the gameplay anymore. At least I don't. Elements such as story, concept, and visual design can be interpreted independently of the gaming experience. I don't need to play with Kabal's character numerous rounds in MKD to know his story/bio was quite weak; nor do I need to play Kombat Kart to understand that the MK team recycled old designs for MKA. And finally, I don't need to play MKvsDC to know that only ten or eleven MK characters are going to be in the game. That's a huge problem to me.
Some people have argued that MvsDC cannot be dark because of DC characters, but I would say that they're minority. Most people just dislike the concept of mixing the two ideas into one vehicle. I love Dragonball Z, and I love the movie "The Usual Suspects"; I would never want to see the two fused together (Lord, that would be a strange movie). Many people on the forum who clearly love DC don't want to see this game made because they feel it is an offense to the ingenuity of both worlds.
You're second argument: the polls reflect the true opinions of the MK community, and therefore, MKvsDC is desired by most of the fans. In order for this argument to be successful, it requires the assumption that the poll is foolproof (all arguments require assumptions, BTW, even the really strong ones). I don't think this is the case, and my evidence for that conclusion is strictly empirical: the majority of fans in the news thread were aghast by the idea. Even before, most people either didn't want this to happen, or didn't think it was going to happen. This leads me to believe that something was faulty with the poll, and perhaps the Admins can correct me on that, but from what I've read over the last week, most people (at first at least) desired a pure MK8 without the addition of DC. But despite what the admins say, we can't really tell what the demographics were for the poll? Are these casual fans? Hardcore fans? Have they played multiple MK games? Recent MK games?
I totally respect your opinion, Legend. It's well constructed, but it covers the entire spectrum of thought for the anti-MKvsDC faction.
Let's start with your first point: one cannot properly judge a game without playing it directly. Your argument succeeds if there are elements in the game that can only be judged via direct contact, and there is one element that qualifies: gameplay.
But the problem with your argument is that most of us aren't judging the gameplay. Most of us don't play MK for the gameplay anymore. At least I don't. Elements such as story, concept, and visual design can be interpreted independently of the gaming experience. I don't need to play with Kabal's character numerous rounds in MKD to know his story/bio was quite weak; nor do I need to play Kombat Kart to understand that the MK team recycled old designs for MKA. And finally, I don't need to play MKvsDC to know that only ten or eleven MK characters are going to be in the game. That's a huge problem to me.
Some people have argued that MvsDC cannot be dark because of DC characters, but I would say that they're minority. Most people just dislike the concept of mixing the two ideas into one vehicle. I love Dragonball Z, and I love the movie "The Usual Suspects"; I would never want to see the two fused together (Lord, that would be a strange movie). Many people on the forum who clearly love DC don't want to see this game made because they feel it is an offense to the ingenuity of both worlds.
You're second argument: the polls reflect the true opinions of the MK community, and therefore, MKvsDC is desired by most of the fans. In order for this argument to be successful, it requires the assumption that the poll is foolproof (all arguments require assumptions, BTW, even the really strong ones). I don't think this is the case, and my evidence for that conclusion is strictly empirical: the majority of fans in the news thread were aghast by the idea. Even before, most people either didn't want this to happen, or didn't think it was going to happen. This leads me to believe that something was faulty with the poll, and perhaps the Admins can correct me on that, but from what I've read over the last week, most people (at first at least) desired a pure MK8 without the addition of DC. But despite what the admins say, we can't really tell what the demographics were for the poll? Are these casual fans? Hardcore fans? Have they played multiple MK games? Recent MK games?
I totally respect your opinion, Legend. It's well constructed, but it covers the entire spectrum of thought for the anti-MKvsDC faction.

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Rubin - that was one of the first decent posts I have seen. I think all of us are tired of the 'omfg no fatalities tihs is da sux' garbage.
But the problem with your argument is that most of us aren't judging the gameplay. Most of us don't play MK for the gameplay anymore. At least I don't. Elements such as story, concept, and visual design can be interpreted independently of the gaming experience.
At least someone is honest around here.
At least someone is honest around here.
I can understand why MKF and the other supporters do support this game (and trust me, in the heat of moment when MKDC was announced, I didn't nor had the patience and good will to want to). I've mentioned this before that I've calmed down since the announcement enough to clear my head.
That being said, I'm still feeling let-down and disappointed by this game. I made a whole angry thread about it, but here's the short, more tranquil version: I, and a large part of the opposers, felt this was not the time for the crossover.
I'm not gonna stand here and say "DC IZ KRAP ISNT NOT DARK ENUF!!1" or say that an MK crossover sucks ass. I actually wouldn't really mind an MK crossover much, IF it had been done either in the past or in the future, AND if it was only as a side-project or a "what-the-heck-here's-something-extra-for-you" type of game. My distaste with this game right now comes from the fact that I had hopes for MK:8 that will not be fufilled due to it being a crossover. I had hopes, basically, of MK:8 totally reinventing the MK universe (MK, not DC's) through a revamped atmosphere and a new path for the epic storyline. Making this a cross over game will make the story revolve around the DC characters, as well as other parts of the game, which crushes those hopes of mines. In other words, I wanted MK's big break into next-gen to leave its mark through MK's own potential as a franchise, and not through another universe.
That brings me to another point: the gimmick thing. Yes, Boon is using the crossover thing as a gimmick, whether it be to get money or to get fans. MKF, you say that almost everything game-related has a gimmick to try and draw you in. That's true. However, the examples you gave concerned gimmicks that stood among many other strong points, and did not rely solely on itself. PS3's gimmick may be the blue ray, but it's a hardware with lots more benefits and interesting factors besides that (I.E.).
But that's not to say that MKDC is gonna rely soley on this DC gimmick to sell or be good. I can't tell you if that's gonna be the case yet. All I can tell you is that I have fears that it might happen, and the decisions Boon made in MKA only support my fears. Like I said, I leave open the possibility that more positive announcements and news will come along in the future that'll rekindle my interest in the next MK game, which is why I'll continue to follow the game. Until then, all I have to form my opinion on is the fact that this is a crossover game, and given where we stand right now in the MK timeline, that's a disappointing fact, which consequently is gonna make me oppose this game until further notice.
That being said, I'm still feeling let-down and disappointed by this game. I made a whole angry thread about it, but here's the short, more tranquil version: I, and a large part of the opposers, felt this was not the time for the crossover.
I'm not gonna stand here and say "DC IZ KRAP ISNT NOT DARK ENUF!!1" or say that an MK crossover sucks ass. I actually wouldn't really mind an MK crossover much, IF it had been done either in the past or in the future, AND if it was only as a side-project or a "what-the-heck-here's-something-extra-for-you" type of game. My distaste with this game right now comes from the fact that I had hopes for MK:8 that will not be fufilled due to it being a crossover. I had hopes, basically, of MK:8 totally reinventing the MK universe (MK, not DC's) through a revamped atmosphere and a new path for the epic storyline. Making this a cross over game will make the story revolve around the DC characters, as well as other parts of the game, which crushes those hopes of mines. In other words, I wanted MK's big break into next-gen to leave its mark through MK's own potential as a franchise, and not through another universe.
That brings me to another point: the gimmick thing. Yes, Boon is using the crossover thing as a gimmick, whether it be to get money or to get fans. MKF, you say that almost everything game-related has a gimmick to try and draw you in. That's true. However, the examples you gave concerned gimmicks that stood among many other strong points, and did not rely solely on itself. PS3's gimmick may be the blue ray, but it's a hardware with lots more benefits and interesting factors besides that (I.E.).
But that's not to say that MKDC is gonna rely soley on this DC gimmick to sell or be good. I can't tell you if that's gonna be the case yet. All I can tell you is that I have fears that it might happen, and the decisions Boon made in MKA only support my fears. Like I said, I leave open the possibility that more positive announcements and news will come along in the future that'll rekindle my interest in the next MK game, which is why I'll continue to follow the game. Until then, all I have to form my opinion on is the fact that this is a crossover game, and given where we stand right now in the MK timeline, that's a disappointing fact, which consequently is gonna make me oppose this game until further notice.
Man I'm glad I found this thread...
I've seen countless posts here and on other boards that say "I'm a loyal MK fan, but I'm leaving MK permanently because of this announcement. Goodbye, Boon". It just doesn't make any sense.
I wasn't very happy about this announcement either, I mean, I was ready for another epic Mortal Kombat... but it turned out to be a crossover. Not really what I was hoping for... but I'm gonna stick it out to the end... heck, I'll be with the Mortal Kombat franchise to the bitter end. I'm giving MK vs DC a fair chance, and yeah, even though I wasn't to happy about the announcement, I still plan on purchasing it. I have faith in the MK team.
Boon said in an interview that when they were approached with the idea, they had to stop and think about it. They knew what they were getting into, and after they thought it through, they decided to go for it. They wouldn't go for it unless they believed it could work.
So yes, I'm a loyal MK fan, been a fan since MK2 (became a fan of MK1 and 2 at the same time)... and I am NOT leaving them now.
I've seen countless posts here and on other boards that say "I'm a loyal MK fan, but I'm leaving MK permanently because of this announcement. Goodbye, Boon". It just doesn't make any sense.
I wasn't very happy about this announcement either, I mean, I was ready for another epic Mortal Kombat... but it turned out to be a crossover. Not really what I was hoping for... but I'm gonna stick it out to the end... heck, I'll be with the Mortal Kombat franchise to the bitter end. I'm giving MK vs DC a fair chance, and yeah, even though I wasn't to happy about the announcement, I still plan on purchasing it. I have faith in the MK team.
Boon said in an interview that when they were approached with the idea, they had to stop and think about it. They knew what they were getting into, and after they thought it through, they decided to go for it. They wouldn't go for it unless they believed it could work.
So yes, I'm a loyal MK fan, been a fan since MK2 (became a fan of MK1 and 2 at the same time)... and I am NOT leaving them now.
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Let me start with a note of honesty: I only read about two thirds of your post because A) I need to smoke a huge bowl of hookah with some friends in 15 minutes and B) I really only have time to respond to your first three points. I do promise to finish reading your post later tonight since from your other posts I've read over the last few weeks, your thoughts have a lot of merit.
Let's start with your first point: one cannot properly judge a game without playing it directly. Your argument succeeds if there are elements in the game that can only be judged via direct contact, and there is one element that qualifies: gameplay.
But the problem with your argument is that most of us aren't judging the gameplay. Most of us don't play MK for the gameplay anymore. At least I don't. Elements such as story, concept, and visual design can be interpreted independently of the gaming experience. I don't need to play with Kabal's character numerous rounds in MKD to know his story/bio was quite weak; nor do I need to play Kombat Kart to understand that the MK team recycled old designs for MKA. And finally, I don't need to play MKvsDC to know that only ten or eleven MK characters are going to be in the game. That's a huge problem to me.
Some people have argued that MvsDC cannot be dark because of DC characters, but I would say that they're minority. Most people just dislike the concept of mixing the two ideas into one vehicle. I love Dragonball Z, and I love the movie "The Usual Suspects"; I would never want to see the two fused together (Lord, that would be a strange movie). Many people on the forum who clearly love DC don't want to see this game made because they feel it is an offense to the ingenuity of both worlds.
You're second argument: the polls reflect the true opinions of the MK community, and therefore, MKvsDC is desired by most of the fans. In order for this argument to be successful, it requires the assumption that the poll is foolproof (all arguments require assumptions, BTW, even the really strong ones). I don't think this is the case, and my evidence for that conclusion is strictly empirical: the majority of fans in the news thread were aghast by the idea. Even before, most people either didn't want this to happen, or didn't think it was going to happen. This leads me to believe that something was faulty with the poll, and perhaps the Admins can correct me on that, but from what I've read over the last week, most people (at first at least) desired a pure MK8 without the addition of DC. But despite what the admins say, we can't really tell what the demographics were for the poll? Are these casual fans? Hardcore fans? Have they played multiple MK games? Recent MK games?
I totally respect your opinion, Legend. It's well constructed, but it covers the entire spectrum of thought for the anti-MKvsDC faction.
Let me start with a note of honesty: I only read about two thirds of your post because A) I need to smoke a huge bowl of hookah with some friends in 15 minutes and B) I really only have time to respond to your first three points. I do promise to finish reading your post later tonight since from your other posts I've read over the last few weeks, your thoughts have a lot of merit.
Let's start with your first point: one cannot properly judge a game without playing it directly. Your argument succeeds if there are elements in the game that can only be judged via direct contact, and there is one element that qualifies: gameplay.
But the problem with your argument is that most of us aren't judging the gameplay. Most of us don't play MK for the gameplay anymore. At least I don't. Elements such as story, concept, and visual design can be interpreted independently of the gaming experience. I don't need to play with Kabal's character numerous rounds in MKD to know his story/bio was quite weak; nor do I need to play Kombat Kart to understand that the MK team recycled old designs for MKA. And finally, I don't need to play MKvsDC to know that only ten or eleven MK characters are going to be in the game. That's a huge problem to me.
Some people have argued that MvsDC cannot be dark because of DC characters, but I would say that they're minority. Most people just dislike the concept of mixing the two ideas into one vehicle. I love Dragonball Z, and I love the movie "The Usual Suspects"; I would never want to see the two fused together (Lord, that would be a strange movie). Many people on the forum who clearly love DC don't want to see this game made because they feel it is an offense to the ingenuity of both worlds.
You're second argument: the polls reflect the true opinions of the MK community, and therefore, MKvsDC is desired by most of the fans. In order for this argument to be successful, it requires the assumption that the poll is foolproof (all arguments require assumptions, BTW, even the really strong ones). I don't think this is the case, and my evidence for that conclusion is strictly empirical: the majority of fans in the news thread were aghast by the idea. Even before, most people either didn't want this to happen, or didn't think it was going to happen. This leads me to believe that something was faulty with the poll, and perhaps the Admins can correct me on that, but from what I've read over the last week, most people (at first at least) desired a pure MK8 without the addition of DC. But despite what the admins say, we can't really tell what the demographics were for the poll? Are these casual fans? Hardcore fans? Have they played multiple MK games? Recent MK games?
I totally respect your opinion, Legend. It's well constructed, but it covers the entire spectrum of thought for the anti-MKvsDC faction.
Interesting dude, I enjoyed reading your well said approach to my initial post and thanks for understanding and respecting where I'm coming from. LOL, sorry your first few lines though had me giggling on the "hookah"
I like your post man, very objective and has a multiple angle form especially on the poll gig. This can be just my own personal opinion here, but judging from the majority of fans on here, and passion for "gore and fatalities" mainly from what I've read it seems to me that there's more casual fans who voted/feel the way they do. Hardcore fans, hmmm this is tough to define. You see, I know you used to come here and visit a lot and not sure if you know me that well or get a vibe on me but despite how a few people on this site may feel about me, most people like me and respect my overall passion for MK. I've even been labeled as the "hugest MK fan ever" which is very true lol.
I feel I am honestly, not that there's not others out there I'm sure there are but I'm one of those fans that "love everything" about MK. I love collecting the figures, buying anything MK related such as movies, music, DVDs, all the games, exclusive collectors items, play online at high level via my xbox live and NDS UMK3, I've made sculptures pertaining to MK and love the storyline even though it's a bit crazy at times I'll admit I still love it and would still prefer that any day over any other fighter.
But just to be fair on the poll aspect, I voted "it depends" but at the same time went into it with an openmind know what I mean?
Your point on the Unusual Suspects and DBZ lol would definitely be odd, I'll admit I couldn't see that working lol. To some fans on here, they feel the same about DC vs. MK...but at the same time, I think if done carefully on behalf of Midway and DC I honestly believe they can pull it off. I try to be optimistic as possible and open to new ideas when it comes to MK. I have to admit, the only way I'd probably be seriously turned off from an MK game all together is if it was MK vs. Pokemon lol
BTW, since you mentioned DBZ and are a fan of it. I heard from friends that love the show that there were DBZ rumors of a crossover with SF or some other japanese games? Is this false or is there some truth behind it?
@Shin Akuma, what's up dude? Yes, I totally agree man. Your point is a great one. The classic case of "Judging a book by it's cover" backfiring or "Underestimating something" I've read your posts on here and must say I like your posts as well, very objective, good, valid points and openminded to new ideas.
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But the problem with your argument is that most of us aren't judging the gameplay. Most of us don't play MK for the gameplay anymore. At least I don't. Elements such as story, concept, and visual design can be interpreted independently of the gaming experience.
At least someone is honest around here.
That's true, but it's also true that that can be apart of the problem on part if you think about it. When I was saying I'm the "overall balance" fanatic, I love it all about MK but at the same time will admit gameplay is key and arguably the most important thing, perhaps not to all fans but I would hope to a good amount. Perhaps it's the fact that I enjoy and play online a lot, who knows...I've always wanted something new, different and improved though I admit. But the problem with your argument is that most of us aren't judging the gameplay. Most of us don't play MK for the gameplay anymore. At least I don't. Elements such as story, concept, and visual design can be interpreted independently of the gaming experience.
At least someone is honest around here.
@Leo, ok man well said just a few things to address. I did address other games with gimmick(Exam:MVC2, SC crossovers to name a few) SSBB even with Snake in there, to appeal to Solid Snake fans no doubt...and Sonic? Sega fans? Don't get me wrong I love that game but have no doubt in my mind that was partially a strategic, money move knowing that fans would want "sonic or snake" in a fighting game that's popular so naturally those fans would buy the game for that alone. I understand the PS3 blu ray can be beneficial, but at the same time not worth the money to the "average gamer"
I understand your point on wanting Mk to live on it's own, and I think it will honestly in MK9(given boon's comments in one of the interviews, he hinted at that but obviously too soon to assume anything, heck MK8 isn't even out yet lol) I see and respect your points though man.
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You know, I can respect the fact that your opinion(s) and view(s) are not my own, necessarily. That's a given, but something around here I'm seeing more and more of is the apparent haste in judgement amongst the Mortal Kombat fans. You mean to tell me because I've formed my own opinion, which can be done any way I see fit at any given point in time, that I'm not allowed to or shouldn't do so? I can't speak for most, but I'm not going to sit back and allow more in depth and very much informed fans like myself be so blatantly disrepsected without our point of view being understood.
Last time I checked, you nor any of the other fans around here were shelling out money for MY copies of Mortal Kombats 1 through 7. With this in mind, it all goes back to a very simple principle...if it's MY hard earned money that's being spent, then I'm damn sure going to voice my opinion if I'm not satisfied with the final product, or even what I can see up until that point. In all honesty, I really didn't even start having a problem with the series until Deception. I've said it before that just because we may not be satisfied with the last two Mortal Kombat games that all of a sudden there ought to be "Death to Boon" campaigns, or even the vastly unneeded amounts of vulgar expressions directed at the Midway team. Without them, there'd be no Mortal Kombat at all, so it's best not to bite the hand that's been feeding us. However, you'll never solve a problem by sitting back like good little boys and girls while getting royally screwed over by the people that are producing products you're obviously interested in.
If you have something that you would like to see implemented into the game, then it's quite obvious that you ASK for it by voicing your opinion, right? Once again, don't start throwing "Fuck you, Boon!"(s) around, but remember to be constructive, respectful and organized in what you're doing. If you're going to sit here and talk about how, and I'll even agree with you on this and disagree at the same time, we've been given what we asked for in the past. Okay, here's the degree to which I will agree with you: A) Old characters... B) Stage Fatalities/Deathtraps? etc., etc. That out of the way, this's where I have a problem. It's all about execution, my friend. Just because we've been given something does NOT mean that it's particularly given in a way that we either liked or were asking for specifically, and there are those out there who were quite specific with the posts I've read in the past. I understand that programming is a difficult thing in itself, and financially, some of the things we've been asking for might not have been or are so feasable. I'm not cuthroat or bitter about any of those things at all. However, you can only half-ass something for so long before we finally have to just sit back and call a spade a spade, meaning enough is enough. However, I'm like you, an optimist. I want to see what the ultimate product result is despite the fact that I'm not too thrilled about the concept that they've put forth.
I'm not asking for buckets of blood or popcorn chunks of flesh. Hell, I'd love to see the blood slowly cascade down open gashes and broken noses etc., and it's sounding like a nice possibility that I might get to actually see this. Hooray in that sense, because I was getting tired of watching MK get addicted to the over the top style of violence that just won't cut it at this point with myself many of the fans. Realism, to a certain extent, is much more brutal than people give it credit for regaurding the whole blood and bodily damage mechanic. I'm quite pleased to hear about that.
Gameplay I'm still going to play by play until I've seen more of what will make the mechanics work. Beyond DA, I didn't care much for the fighting engine, but I'm going to give Midway a chance to bring me more fluid, violent movements that will make me cringe something awful when I'm playing and watching the game be played.
Graphically, it's not quite what I expected, but since when should graphics make a game, anyway. Once again, I'm going to just sit back and be optimistic about this. Time is an important thing to have, and Midway's got plenty to step it up to par. It isn't looking too far off of what the engine if capable of once you get to actually check out the stills of the game. (Sorry folks, split-second flashes in a trailer without stills or longer gameplay bits of viewing is just silly to expect most of the fans to catch the graphical polish the developers have laid down.)
Most importantly, the worst and biggest underlying reason why this game has turned me off in general is the damned concept. Mortal Kombat...mixing with, of all the fucking franchises they could've chosen, DC comics universe?! Now don't get me wrong, I'm an avid fan of Batman. (Fucking loved Frank Miller's run with Year One and the whole Mutant Saga.) I know just how dark and gritty DC universe CAN get, but in general, it is neither appopriate nor frequent enough to even come close to the sado-masochistic tendancies of the Mortal Kombat universe. As a whole, DC has too much a familial orient to be fused with MK. Not when there were better candidates to choose from. Does Midway not own the distributing rights to Killer Instinct? Haven't KI fans, who I'm sure at least half of which are MK fans, been waiting to see these characters brought back to life for some number of years?
I'm not going to knock the optimists and DC fans out there, but this will never fly with me. Disagree with myself and others like me? I'm going to take a page out of you guys' book and say "Get.The.Fuck.Over.It." If it's still so early, which is what the vast majority of the supporters and optimists like myself are crying, then don't be surprised if we don't immediately accept the idea. It doesn't mean because you guys feel you have some kind of sovereign right as "TRUE" MK fans, despite how long you've been into the game, that all of a sudden you can start crucifying us for having a different point of view. (Those who aren't screaming "Fuk u lsers.Dieeeeee!!!!) I'm quite sure that many can tell you just why in more detail than I'm bothering with just why this may not seem like such a good idea. Hell, there's going to be duality in all things in life, and if this isn't looking too good to you, then just don't bother paying attention to the posts that don't favor it. The same can be applied to myself in posting this reply, but someone had to stand up for the fans with decent and constructive reasons to support our disliking the idea at THIS point in time. You never really do know what tommorow will bring, so here's to hoping I get a really big surprise and want to buy the game to remember why I love MK in the first place.
Last time I checked, you nor any of the other fans around here were shelling out money for MY copies of Mortal Kombats 1 through 7. With this in mind, it all goes back to a very simple principle...if it's MY hard earned money that's being spent, then I'm damn sure going to voice my opinion if I'm not satisfied with the final product, or even what I can see up until that point. In all honesty, I really didn't even start having a problem with the series until Deception. I've said it before that just because we may not be satisfied with the last two Mortal Kombat games that all of a sudden there ought to be "Death to Boon" campaigns, or even the vastly unneeded amounts of vulgar expressions directed at the Midway team. Without them, there'd be no Mortal Kombat at all, so it's best not to bite the hand that's been feeding us. However, you'll never solve a problem by sitting back like good little boys and girls while getting royally screwed over by the people that are producing products you're obviously interested in.
If you have something that you would like to see implemented into the game, then it's quite obvious that you ASK for it by voicing your opinion, right? Once again, don't start throwing "Fuck you, Boon!"(s) around, but remember to be constructive, respectful and organized in what you're doing. If you're going to sit here and talk about how, and I'll even agree with you on this and disagree at the same time, we've been given what we asked for in the past. Okay, here's the degree to which I will agree with you: A) Old characters... B) Stage Fatalities/Deathtraps? etc., etc. That out of the way, this's where I have a problem. It's all about execution, my friend. Just because we've been given something does NOT mean that it's particularly given in a way that we either liked or were asking for specifically, and there are those out there who were quite specific with the posts I've read in the past. I understand that programming is a difficult thing in itself, and financially, some of the things we've been asking for might not have been or are so feasable. I'm not cuthroat or bitter about any of those things at all. However, you can only half-ass something for so long before we finally have to just sit back and call a spade a spade, meaning enough is enough. However, I'm like you, an optimist. I want to see what the ultimate product result is despite the fact that I'm not too thrilled about the concept that they've put forth.
I'm not asking for buckets of blood or popcorn chunks of flesh. Hell, I'd love to see the blood slowly cascade down open gashes and broken noses etc., and it's sounding like a nice possibility that I might get to actually see this. Hooray in that sense, because I was getting tired of watching MK get addicted to the over the top style of violence that just won't cut it at this point with myself many of the fans. Realism, to a certain extent, is much more brutal than people give it credit for regaurding the whole blood and bodily damage mechanic. I'm quite pleased to hear about that.
Gameplay I'm still going to play by play until I've seen more of what will make the mechanics work. Beyond DA, I didn't care much for the fighting engine, but I'm going to give Midway a chance to bring me more fluid, violent movements that will make me cringe something awful when I'm playing and watching the game be played.
Graphically, it's not quite what I expected, but since when should graphics make a game, anyway. Once again, I'm going to just sit back and be optimistic about this. Time is an important thing to have, and Midway's got plenty to step it up to par. It isn't looking too far off of what the engine if capable of once you get to actually check out the stills of the game. (Sorry folks, split-second flashes in a trailer without stills or longer gameplay bits of viewing is just silly to expect most of the fans to catch the graphical polish the developers have laid down.)
Most importantly, the worst and biggest underlying reason why this game has turned me off in general is the damned concept. Mortal Kombat...mixing with, of all the fucking franchises they could've chosen, DC comics universe?! Now don't get me wrong, I'm an avid fan of Batman. (Fucking loved Frank Miller's run with Year One and the whole Mutant Saga.) I know just how dark and gritty DC universe CAN get, but in general, it is neither appopriate nor frequent enough to even come close to the sado-masochistic tendancies of the Mortal Kombat universe. As a whole, DC has too much a familial orient to be fused with MK. Not when there were better candidates to choose from. Does Midway not own the distributing rights to Killer Instinct? Haven't KI fans, who I'm sure at least half of which are MK fans, been waiting to see these characters brought back to life for some number of years?
I'm not going to knock the optimists and DC fans out there, but this will never fly with me. Disagree with myself and others like me? I'm going to take a page out of you guys' book and say "Get.The.Fuck.Over.It." If it's still so early, which is what the vast majority of the supporters and optimists like myself are crying, then don't be surprised if we don't immediately accept the idea. It doesn't mean because you guys feel you have some kind of sovereign right as "TRUE" MK fans, despite how long you've been into the game, that all of a sudden you can start crucifying us for having a different point of view. (Those who aren't screaming "Fuk u lsers.Dieeeeee!!!!) I'm quite sure that many can tell you just why in more detail than I'm bothering with just why this may not seem like such a good idea. Hell, there's going to be duality in all things in life, and if this isn't looking too good to you, then just don't bother paying attention to the posts that don't favor it. The same can be applied to myself in posting this reply, but someone had to stand up for the fans with decent and constructive reasons to support our disliking the idea at THIS point in time. You never really do know what tommorow will bring, so here's to hoping I get a really big surprise and want to buy the game to remember why I love MK in the first place.
You may call superman dark for whatever reason, but the fact remains that he wears bright blue and red spandex, and I was angry that they reverted to a skin-tight costume for Scorpion as his primary costume for MK:A - and at least that had black in it.
Obviously costumes don't make the game, but - come on! Can they at least retool some of the DC characters sightly? Maybe give them skintight ARMOR like Kenshi (don't bust my chops about how Batman's clothes are really skintight armor...the point is, they still LOOK like spandex). Or they could use one of Superman's less iconic, but badass looking costumes.
By the way. You are entitled to your opinion, and I refuse to flame you for that. I too think it's bad that people (like myself) are so quick to judge. But, WE ARE STILL GOD DAMN, TRUE MORTAL KOMBAT FANS, EVEN IF WE ARE ANGRY THAT FATALITIES ARE GONE, ETC. You may not think fatalities make the game, but it's not wrong that others do. And I believe that most of us (myself included), will still be buying the game, and keeping our fingers crossed that it turns out good in the end, even if we are angry at Boon & co.
Everyone's entitled to their opinions, but please understand, that a lifelong MK fan who hated Armageddon but stuck by the team anyway, who is angry about the idea of MKvDCU, is still a FAN.
Obviously costumes don't make the game, but - come on! Can they at least retool some of the DC characters sightly? Maybe give them skintight ARMOR like Kenshi (don't bust my chops about how Batman's clothes are really skintight armor...the point is, they still LOOK like spandex). Or they could use one of Superman's less iconic, but badass looking costumes.
By the way. You are entitled to your opinion, and I refuse to flame you for that. I too think it's bad that people (like myself) are so quick to judge. But, WE ARE STILL GOD DAMN, TRUE MORTAL KOMBAT FANS, EVEN IF WE ARE ANGRY THAT FATALITIES ARE GONE, ETC. You may not think fatalities make the game, but it's not wrong that others do. And I believe that most of us (myself included), will still be buying the game, and keeping our fingers crossed that it turns out good in the end, even if we are angry at Boon & co.
Everyone's entitled to their opinions, but please understand, that a lifelong MK fan who hated Armageddon but stuck by the team anyway, who is angry about the idea of MKvDCU, is still a FAN.

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People really shouldn't hate a game they haven't played yet.
That's true, but it's also true that that can be apart of the problem on part if you think about it. When I was saying I'm the "overall balance" fanatic, I love it all about MK but at the same time will admit gameplay is key and arguably the most important thing, perhaps not to all fans but I would hope to a good amount. Perhaps it's the fact that I enjoy and play online a lot, who knows...I've always wanted something new, different and improved though I admit.
I agree with you. Gameplay is the key.
I never understood why people play fighting games for story lines. To me nothing matters except the gameplay. Everything else is an extra addition.
If you want 80 hours of gameplay and deep story lines, play RPGs.
I agree with you. Gameplay is the key.
I never understood why people play fighting games for story lines. To me nothing matters except the gameplay. Everything else is an extra addition.
If you want 80 hours of gameplay and deep story lines, play RPGs.
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LeoBrZ81 Wrote:
I can understand why MKF and the other supporters do support this game (and trust me, in the heat of moment when MKDC was announced, I didn't nor had the patience and good will to want to). I've mentioned this before that I've calmed down since the announcement enough to clear my head.
That being said, I'm still feeling let-down and disappointed by this game. I made a whole angry thread about it, but here's the short, more tranquil version: I, and a large part of the opposers, felt this was not the time for the crossover.
I'm not gonna stand here and say "DC IZ KRAP ISNT NOT DARK ENUF!!1" or say that an MK crossover sucks ass. I actually wouldn't really mind an MK crossover much, IF it had been done either in the past or in the future, AND if it was only as a side-project or a "what-the-heck-here's-something-extra-for-you" type of game. My distaste with this game right now comes from the fact that I had hopes for MK:8 that will not be fufilled due to it being a crossover. I had hopes, basically, of MK:8 totally reinventing the MK universe (MK, not DC's) through a revamped atmosphere and a new path for the epic storyline. Making this a cross over game will make the story revolve around the DC characters, as well as other parts of the game, which crushes those hopes of mines. In other words, I wanted MK's big break into next-gen to leave its mark through MK's own potential as a franchise, and not through another universe.
That brings me to another point: the gimmick thing. Yes, Boon is using the crossover thing as a gimmick, whether it be to get money or to get fans. MKF, you say that almost everything game-related has a gimmick to try and draw you in. That's true. However, the examples you gave concerned gimmicks that stood among many other strong points, and did not rely solely on itself. PS3's gimmick may be the blue ray, but it's a hardware with lots more benefits and interesting factors besides that (I.E.).
But that's not to say that MKDC is gonna rely soley on this DC gimmick to sell or be good. I can't tell you if that's gonna be the case yet. All I can tell you is that I have fears that it might happen, and the decisions Boon made in MKA only support my fears. Like I said, I leave open the possibility that more positive announcements and news will come along in the future that'll rekindle my interest in the next MK game, which is why I'll continue to follow the game. Until then, all I have to form my opinion on is the fact that this is a crossover game, and given where we stand right now in the MK timeline, that's a disappointing fact, which consequently is gonna make me oppose this game until further notice.
I can understand why MKF and the other supporters do support this game (and trust me, in the heat of moment when MKDC was announced, I didn't nor had the patience and good will to want to). I've mentioned this before that I've calmed down since the announcement enough to clear my head.
That being said, I'm still feeling let-down and disappointed by this game. I made a whole angry thread about it, but here's the short, more tranquil version: I, and a large part of the opposers, felt this was not the time for the crossover.
I'm not gonna stand here and say "DC IZ KRAP ISNT NOT DARK ENUF!!1" or say that an MK crossover sucks ass. I actually wouldn't really mind an MK crossover much, IF it had been done either in the past or in the future, AND if it was only as a side-project or a "what-the-heck-here's-something-extra-for-you" type of game. My distaste with this game right now comes from the fact that I had hopes for MK:8 that will not be fufilled due to it being a crossover. I had hopes, basically, of MK:8 totally reinventing the MK universe (MK, not DC's) through a revamped atmosphere and a new path for the epic storyline. Making this a cross over game will make the story revolve around the DC characters, as well as other parts of the game, which crushes those hopes of mines. In other words, I wanted MK's big break into next-gen to leave its mark through MK's own potential as a franchise, and not through another universe.
That brings me to another point: the gimmick thing. Yes, Boon is using the crossover thing as a gimmick, whether it be to get money or to get fans. MKF, you say that almost everything game-related has a gimmick to try and draw you in. That's true. However, the examples you gave concerned gimmicks that stood among many other strong points, and did not rely solely on itself. PS3's gimmick may be the blue ray, but it's a hardware with lots more benefits and interesting factors besides that (I.E.).
But that's not to say that MKDC is gonna rely soley on this DC gimmick to sell or be good. I can't tell you if that's gonna be the case yet. All I can tell you is that I have fears that it might happen, and the decisions Boon made in MKA only support my fears. Like I said, I leave open the possibility that more positive announcements and news will come along in the future that'll rekindle my interest in the next MK game, which is why I'll continue to follow the game. Until then, all I have to form my opinion on is the fact that this is a crossover game, and given where we stand right now in the MK timeline, that's a disappointing fact, which consequently is gonna make me oppose this game until further notice.
You've pretty much took the words right out of my mouth.
This is yet another one of the MK Team's disappointments and lies, on the same level (and with the same arguments) as Armageddon: Armageddon was supposed to be a huge extravaganza that was a definitive end to the last generation of MK games, tying up all the loose ends and leaving the slate free and clear for the next gen games. Instead, we got a half-assed storyline that more or less disregarded the last dozen years or so of continuity and reads like a bad fanfic (and, worse yet, is left OPEN-ENDED), leaves all of the loose ends dangling, and was more or less a giant fan wank fest that meant nothing to the series as a whole. Likewise, they said MK8 was going to wipe the slate clean, start out completely fresh, with a new storyline and new characters to fill the missing roster. Instead, we're getting a stupid crossover that most likely won't progress the story any, and will leave us stuck with yet another fan wank fest that doesn't mean anything.
After the huge disappointment that was Armageddon, a crossover is NOT the way to revitalize the MK franchise, especially as its breakthrough game in the next gen of consoles. I can tell you the roster right now, for MK: Scorpion, Sub-Zero, Liu Kang, Raiden, Sonya, Johnny Cage, Shang Tsung, Reptile, Noob Saibot, Kitana, and Mileena. Essentially the most popular and iconic characters from the first two games, as the rest aren't really Iconic enough in players' minds to be significant. The game IS going to mainly be focused on the DC characters, mainly how they found their way into the MK universe, and them trying to find their way OUT; if they try to tie this into Armageddon, I'm going to kill someone (the events of Armageddon opening a space-time rift that sucked the DC characters in or some shit like that...)...
Simply put, MK needs to stand on its own two feet and dig itself out of the pit it sunk into with Armageddon, and this crossover will just keep it down there. Crossover games only work because they're NON-CANON, where you can break the rules established by either series to make it work, and not have it impact either genre in its proper; a crossover as a continuation of one franchise or the other (as it's apparently going to be for MK) is stupid. There's no way I can endorse this game, no way in fucking hell.
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To all that says nothing else should matter... Here is why I think that's BS...
If nothing else but gameplay should matter so why cross it over with sometime that's not even in the timeline of MK yet they'd try and create a story around it to explain the crossover. That's where the contradiction begins. If it's all about gameplay then MK team would have placed efforts on revitalizing the franchise by making a solid game as Synjo suggested.
Crossing it over shows a sign of weakness, lack of original ideas and deciding on a path without any real logical explanation. DC doesn't fit into MK world. Anyone with logical thought-process would understand that. To form a picture for you... Batman and Superman would have no place in an MK movie. Think about it a million times, you just cannot possibly see how they'd fit in. That's because these are two completely different franchise with very little in common. It's not your Alien v Predator. NO! Not by a long shot.
I have nothing against crossing MK over with something else but it has to be logical not some garbage just to win new fans over. MK and KI, YES! DC goes with Marvel but not with MK. In the real world, before you cross your product with something, you evaluate whether your identities match. I don't see any proof that Midway did this. Jesus, these are people/programmers with college degrees yet they have no idea on how am why NOT to compromise an identity.
So my point is this... MK v DC is almost like wearing yellow pants over a over pink jacket.. They do not match!
If nothing else but gameplay should matter so why cross it over with sometime that's not even in the timeline of MK yet they'd try and create a story around it to explain the crossover. That's where the contradiction begins. If it's all about gameplay then MK team would have placed efforts on revitalizing the franchise by making a solid game as Synjo suggested.
Crossing it over shows a sign of weakness, lack of original ideas and deciding on a path without any real logical explanation. DC doesn't fit into MK world. Anyone with logical thought-process would understand that. To form a picture for you... Batman and Superman would have no place in an MK movie. Think about it a million times, you just cannot possibly see how they'd fit in. That's because these are two completely different franchise with very little in common. It's not your Alien v Predator. NO! Not by a long shot.
I have nothing against crossing MK over with something else but it has to be logical not some garbage just to win new fans over. MK and KI, YES! DC goes with Marvel but not with MK. In the real world, before you cross your product with something, you evaluate whether your identities match. I don't see any proof that Midway did this. Jesus, these are people/programmers with college degrees yet they have no idea on how am why NOT to compromise an identity.
So my point is this... MK v DC is almost like wearing yellow pants over a over pink jacket.. They do not match!
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JayboH Wrote:
Rubin - that was one of the first decent posts I have seen. I think all of us are tired of the 'omfg no fatalities tihs is da sux' garbage.
Rubin - that was one of the first decent posts I have seen. I think all of us are tired of the 'omfg no fatalities tihs is da sux' garbage.
Exactly... There will always be those people unfortunately.... The rest of us are just flat out not interested in DC comics. I like Mortal Kombat for its story, characters, and nostalgic appeal.... Mortal Kombat, MK plus something else.
i was really looking forward to new game play, new graphics, new MK characters, new mk story. Watching sub zero throw that punch to batmans face looked an awful lot like the old MK's on xbox and ps2. now I know im gonna get flamed for saying the gameplay looks the same without playing the game but come on... theres a better chance that this is just going to be another version of last gen gameplay with minor tweaks and the selling point will be the DC characters.
I honestly dont think Boon has the ability to recreate the feel that the early MK's gave to us judging by his last few tries... sorry thats just my opinion.
maybe i'll get it anyways if they have raiden

lol edit... I was just thinking, how can scorpion not have a fatality????????? ahhhhhhh
I honestly dont think Boon has the ability to recreate the feel that the early MK's gave to us judging by his last few tries... sorry thats just my opinion.
maybe i'll get it anyways if they have raiden
lol edit... I was just thinking, how can scorpion not have a fatality????????? ahhhhhhh
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