Let me just say...HERE F*CKIN' HERE. As a fan of MK since 1993, I am disgusted at how closed minded these new MK fans were, I remember when we used to all love MK not just because of it's gore, but the shear abnormality of the game compared to others. It was, in a sense, an underground fighter and even when it became mainstream the original fans never let go, even after MK3...so why on earth are they turning they're backs NOW? Like you said, people are looking at the DC and making snap decisions (especially the Comic Ignorant folks which are most) and missing on the awesome new fighting style that the game has needed since the franchise went 3D.

And let me just say, unless you've read The Dark Knight Returns or Superman: Warlord, you have no right to judge DC. If you haven't read them, chances are you think Super Heros are all good characters who can do no bad and are just 2D and boring.

mkflegend, I do agree with you on some points. Surprisingly quite a few. But see, here's my problem with what you're saying:



Now, I know better than to try have a discussion with you because I know how futile it is, and - honestly - I'd rather swallow some jacks. But I have to say, you seem far more optimistic than is reasonable when it comes to the subject of gameplay.

So, gameplay will be different? Well, I'm not 100 percent convinced it's going to be a complete makeover and not just a facelift on MKA's mechanics, but that aside, even if the gameplay is radically different, different doesn't equate to good. No weapons, no multiple fighting styles, none of the same "air kombat"... who gives a shit. I mean really that's irrelevant to how broken this game will or will not be. What matters isn't what isn't in the game, what matter is what IS in the game and how those mechanics work in relation to each other. At the moment, I don't think anyone has enough information on that to make a solid judgement call either way.

You say it looks rid of chains too, well, based on what? Because we didn't see any in the trailer? I didn't a string in the trailer that was parried halfway through, did you? So it would seem to me you're just jumping to conclusions here by the sounds of things unless you know something I don't or saw something I didn't. Until I see more footage I'm assuming chains are still present, because let's face it, Midway have been using chains for over ten years and they're probably too clueless to know better.

"Grapples"? I don't even know what they are. I don't think anyone really knows what they are and exactly how they're going to work. Again, how do you know this addition will make the gameplay better? Seems like another assumption.


So, all that I think could really be deduced from the trailer is that move animation appears to look as stiff and 'snappy' as it did in the past few games, which is obviously a bad thing for reasons I'm sure you're familar with (move startup, etc) And that's really it as far as good and bad goes. And that's not an especially good starting point when it comes to the "improved gameplay" thing. That's what makes me pessimistic about this game differing all that much from the last trainwreck in terms of core gameplay mechanics. I hope the gameplay is improved, but I don't see any evidence which supports that theory right now. Shit, we might get entirely new mechanics altogether, and they might still function as horribly as they did in the past few games. Just wait until more footage is released before you make that call and go on your annual Mortal Kombat propaganda drive.

Anyway I kinda skimmed 'cause it was long but almost everything else you said I think I agree with.

Again, you are missing my point and the point of many others. I am not interested at all in DC comics or any comic characters for that matter. This doesn't mean that I'm judging the gameplay or anything else about the game. None of us have any idea how this game is going to turn out.... What we do know for sure though is that this is a MK game that also contains comic characters.... Therefore, I am not interested. I respect the fact that many of you are interested, but I am not.
Just like if Kojima made Raiden the main character again for the upcoming Metal Gear.... Do I love Metal Gear? Yes. Do I have any idea how good the game is going to be without playing it? No. But I do know that Snake is the focal point, which makes me excited. If Raiden was the focal point again, I would be turned off. That's the essential point of my argument.

GODDAMMIT, i hate it when ppl judge it bcuzz it has DC characters...It sickens me...No offense 2 ppl opposed 2 it

NOT new MK characters; it's been confirmed that all of the characters in this game are well-known and established characters from past games. The only "new" characters being added are the DC ones.

And the story's going to be the same old "MK/DC characters find rift/get sucked into the other's universe, bad guys from both universes team up to conquer both universes, good guys team up to stop them and get everyone back where they belong" kind of shtick that's commonplace for all team-ups. They did it with the Marvel vs. series, they did it with Marvel vs. DC, it's really the only way you can tell a believable crossover story, so expect the emphasis to be on the DC characters, NOT the MK characters. And, since it IS expected to be the continuation of MKA, I'm betting that they'll have the Armageddon free-for-all open the rift that made the crossover possible, which would be the single dumbest bullshit cop-out from Midway and MK in its entire existence.

I'm sorry, but this crossover shit is stupid and there's no way I'm going to endorse it. NOT simply because it's a crossover or DC, but because we were promised a next-gen continuation that started fresh from the supposedly clean slate that Armageddon failed to bring us, with mostly new characters and a brand-new storyline to emphasize that the old generation is over, and the new generation is starting. Instead, we're getting another glorified fanboy circle jerk with all of the old, popular characters, likely NO sense of continuity progression AT ALL, and in the end, a game that's more about the DC characters than MK. MK needs to dig itself out of the grave it's disinterred for itself and get back to a level of quality and significance that we were promised it would; it CANNOT do that with a stupid crossover.

I take offense to your language for one... No need for GD. I'm not judging the quality of a game that we know little about at all. Just stating the fact that I have no interest in comics. Just like I had little interest in Sons of Liberty because Raiden was the main character. I played the game, but it was my least favorite of any Metal Gear because I enjoy Snake.
More power to you if you are looking forward to this game. Some people like me have no interest in DC or comics. I'm not judging the game though by any means.

I've been a comic and an MK fan as long as you. Regardless of how AWESOME superman can be (and I agree, he can be totally freakin' cool)...he still wears red underpants outside bright blue tights.

Think what you want, but, I have every right to be upset, and that does not make me any less of a MORTAL KOMBAT FAN!

By the way, I am still sticking by the series and the franchise...I will be buying the game. But the fact remains, that as of right now, I HATE THE NEW ADDITIONS.

With any luck they may make me like it, but it won't be easy because, like I said, SUPERMAN LOOKS LIKE A GODDAMN CLOWN!

Aheh...I just don't want it....So, I'm not gonna buy it.

It's not something I wanna run out and buy, because it's not what I buy MK for.

Call me a competent, coherent consumer, and then call me a Mortal Kombat fan.

Good post anyway MKF....

Well said... I rest my case.

First I would just like to say I have been around since the birth of MK.
I would just like to clairify that the only reasons this game struck a nerve with me was A. because I always thought the idea of MK doing a cross over would be too...cartoony and silly because MK has always had such a serious story I never thought it would go in this direction.

2) I was not mad because it was crossing over with the DC universe. I am a huge fan of Superman and Swamp Thing, though now Swampy is a Vertigo comic, but no, it was that it was a cross over , just the fact that it was a cross over instead of what Ed told us MK8 would be through the production of Armageddon and post release of Armageddon.
You have to understand when you are waiting in anticipation for something
and then it turns out to be something completely contrary to what you were told it would be,
it tends to strike a nerve
and that is all I have to say.
I think I am growing softer to this game and am just thinking about the big picture again that
A. it has a reinvented combat system
B) polished graphics
C) FINALLY a story mode in an MK game
It's just the fact that it is a cross over game instead of a straight MK game that has made me kind of give MK the cold shoulder in these past days
but I am starting to adjust to the idea.
So I'll just have to wait and see if I wind up warming up to this game or not.

Anger management.

Well, being that I'm one of those "gameplay fanatics" that has say well over 80, 000 matches between MKD and MKA online I feel I have with all due respect and others in here a pretty good idea judging the gameplay as oppose to the the typical, casual fan in that department. I mean the people in here that have said, it's the same as MKA? Wrong, it's not the same...and I'm not just saying this because I love MK, I'm saying it because I've had tons of gameplay experience, and am very familiar with it in the MK games. But at the same time, I see your points and I MIGHT be wrong with the dial up combo guess, but thus far from what I saw it looks to be no dial ups...I might be right, I might be wrong. But at the same time, looking optimistic is one thing IMO ever "MK fan" should do at the very least instead of rip the gameplay before even playing it, which to me makes no sense and is illogical as I said earlier.

In a nutshell though, it's like I said we need to WAIT and see, then judge and that goes for the optimistic fans as well as the negative fans as well that think it'll be bad because they simply don't know for sure. On the grapples concept, well I was referring to the way Batman thru Sub-Zero, we never had an MK game where you had a realistic grapple like that. (Not a throw because even in the past 3 MK's the throws looked like the 2D throws with style) but I meant actual grapples, counter throws etc. We dont' know yet how they work or what else will be implemented but I was just like everyone else here posting my view and being that I'm a gameplay guy besides nutty MK fan, I feel I can judge and state my view as much as any other fan on here(in which majority don't FULLY understand the gameplay as much as the online players or gameplay players) Agreed?


It's like Disturbed Scorpion was saying on why a lot of fans don't approve of this game in the first place "because of DC ignorance or comic book in general" I don't mean to insult anyone but he's right, people here even in here have even said ohhh Superman, Batman...they're not dark...umm wrong. That's just wrong, just because they don't tear someones brain out or rip out someones spinal cord doesn't mean "they aren't dark" there's more then one way to be dark, nasty and gritty. But I agree with him on that point 100%, chances are a lot of the fans based off the stuff I've read on the hating on DC is because chances are they haven't even read anything on DC and just assume Batman, Superman are "kiddy" for some, weird reason.....

Which btw, Disturbed Scorpion...I couldn't have said it any better dude and totally agree.



Rest assured dude, I won't flame ya( I don't believe in that) but I do happen to disagree with ya. There's much more to an MK game then just "fatalities" dude, and also the new video gameplay is nothing like MKD or MKA, granted I can't make too many assumptions on how it'll be improved, what will more changes be and what newer elements will be implemented properly but I can tell you easily that it's nothing like MKD or MKA...trust me, other then the interactive, multi-tiered enviroments nothing is the same as MKA in the gameplay.



So what dude? So does Spider-Man, he wears bright, blue and red just like Superman...yet I don't hear many MVC fans complaining about Spidey going up against say Ken or Zangief(as silly as it is) it still works man. The style was also similar as well as environments man, well same thing in this situation dude. Gotham City is beyond dark, Outworld is insanely dark and parts of Earthrealm have darkness to it. As for the costume "spandex" problem you have, dude honestly lol it's not important. That's how Batman and Superman look. Do you remember how Scorpion looked in MK4? Tight ass costume lol, same for Sub and Noob's current look looks a bit tight as well(even though it looks good, it still looks a bit tight) now if you don't like Supermans famous red and blue costume, I guess I say I'm sorry man but that's how he looks, however that's not to say he won't have some kind of alternate. I'm hoping being that this is a dark game mixed with MK, his alternate will be his black costume with the silver S on his chest. And Batmans be the all black, stealth costume like from Batman Begins.

I won't rant here on what a "fan" is because I already said how I feel about that but will say this, despite all the different kinds of fans out there and on here ALL fans should be openminded in a case like this and wait til the game comes out before judging.



Highly disagree bud, does Vader and Yoda match in SC? Or Ryu, Ken or Zangief mix up really well in MVC with Venom, Spider-Man and Magneto? Or Snake in SSBB against Mario, Luigi, Kirby or Pikachu? lol not at all but that doesn't mean the idea and concept can't work. I think you need to do some more research and check out DC more dude, honestly. You'll find some dark ass plots believe me. I love both series and know this to be true, you just have to read the right comic strips in the DC universe. Batman's Gotham is very dark, Superman has had quite a few dark stories with death, resurrection, imprisonment alternate evil Supermans etc...DC can be dark. Then there's the Vertigo series with V, Constantine to name a few darker characters that would fit well in MK. I think if you give it a chance, you might surprise yourself dude. MK and DC go well together in lots of ways and more ways then one if you understand and follow both worlds like I do. I noticed most MK fans on here especially that are against this idea don't know much about DC comics. Don't get me wrong, I can clearly see you're just against the idea trax and that's fine, but I do give you credit for not posting ignorant things like other fans have concerning DC.




Totally and 100% agree dude, that's what I've been saying all along.

Read the first post. Great points man. Welp, time for my rant:

Damn, where to start. Well, I'm a huge fan of DC. Love it. Batman is great. When I was a kid, I had like eleventy batman dolls- err, action figures! I read DC stuff, and love it. We have this out of the way now. I also love MK. Yah, it's been in a horrible decline, but hey, the first few games were great. The story is amazing, but Shaoilin Monks and MKA had to ruin that for me.

So I'm a fan of both series. I've always wanted to see Sub-Zero and Batman go toe to toe, and when I saw the promotional image for this game, brix were shat. In a good way. I'm not worried about the storyline too much. The only place the MK storyline can go from MKA is up. And we have some great people working on the story. So I'm not bothered too much by it.

Now, the people with smart heads on their shoulders are pissed off because of the way the story is gonna turn out. Don't worry guys, this will definatelly be non-canon. If Ed does regard this as canon, then you can go around and shoot flames around the forums.

People think this is stupid because "derzz no blud in MAI EmmKay! EY! GIMME BRUD OR FATILIERTERZ (I've seen so many people mispell fatality it's made me go nuts)" Listen, you guys are idiots. There will be blood. Proof? Well, besides the noob.com thing, you can clearly see the blood flying out of Sub-Zero's mouth when he gets socked in the face at the end. You can see it all over the trailer. Just look. Fatalities? This sucks. It just does. But there is no need to go apeshit and flame the game with your mispelled words and silly logic. Besides, there will be finishers (whatever the hell this is) so look forward to that.

Gameplay. Well, it's the MK team, you can trust them! ... omg what did I just say? Well, they succeeded in making the first three games amazing, MK4 was great imo, then MKDA was pretty bad, followed by more sadness, and even more sadness. So far it's been good for one era, bad for the next, and if this repeats, will get a great game this time! My logic is flawless!

And to those mindless idiots bashing DC... I can't even form a sentence because I is so amazed at the stupidity of these people. They are ignorant, never reading a single piece of DC writing ever. There are a few topics here showing how fucked up DC can get. Dare I say, it can get darker than MK at points. *points to the killing joke* Read it. It will make brix fly out your pants.

And to those people who are just freaked out by the idea, not pissed because of anything I posted, than I can't convince you. Sorry that you can't look forward to the game

And before I must say this:

How bout dem Suns? Thery're up baby!

Gameplay. Well, it's the MK team, you can trust them! ... omg what did I just say? Well, they succeeded in making the first three games amazing, MK4 was great imo, then MKDA was pretty bad, followed by more sadness, and even more sadness. So far it's been good for one era, bad for the next, and if this repeats, will get a great game this time! My logic is flawless!

XD

I finally made it back to this thread, hehe.

And I did hear of some crossover with DBZ, but no names were passed around. With the a movie on its way in 2009, it's probably very plausible. I'd imagine Capcom crossover would be a possibility, and since MvsC2 is still accepting quarters as we speak, I think people would really dig it.

And now that I have finished reading your post, let's examine the counter-examples from other games. The really interesting one of Smash bros. Brawl, since not only is Snake making a guest appearance, but he's actually part of the story, which seperates Soul Caliber and MvsC2 into a different situation.

So why does Brawl work (IMO) but not MKvsDC? I think there are two primary reasons. The first one is a reflection on me: I actually do play Brawl for the gameplay. If the story disappeared, and hell, if the character designs disappeared, the fun factor would remain intact. There are even elements of the Brawl experience that go outside of the game, which is the player-to-player interaction. That kind of stuff is priceless, IMO

The second reason is that Brawl is not necessarily an installment of anything other than Smash franchise. Smash Bros Brawl is not meant to be Mario Brothers 4, but MKvsDC IS SUPPOSE TO BE Mortal Kombat 8. That's a part (if only minor) of why Brawl is so well loved: it doesn't step on anybody's toes. It doesn't substitute Metal Gear 4 (that would be bloody hilarious!).

So that's literary question here: is MKvsDC = MK8? If the answer is yes, then there will be some implications.

Ok, interesting. I just feel that some of the "strickly negative fans" on here are jumping the gun way too fast with this game is what my view comes down too. Especially before playing it, it might appear silly or weird but I think fans will eventually accept it.

Good point on SSBB, not really having a "number" although it is technically the "3rd game" and although I agree with you it's a great game, I've even seen some fans bitch about that not having "Megaman" lol...

So I do really believe that with all series, despite how popular, successful or not. There will just be the simple fact of positive fans vs. negative fans. That's what we are seeing here. On the story aspect, well for the most part MK's storyline has been really good and easily the best out of any fighting game ever made plus this along with DC's writers well known for writing some of the best DC strips I think will put everything together really well when it's all said and done honestly.

I understand with other fighters, some fans don't care as much but I also believe that's because they never really had a solid story to begin with....MK always had an intriguing, dark story to it. We'll just have to wait and see if it'll be canon come MK9. I think the fans will decide that factor depending on how well it's received. Of course it's Boon's choice ultimately but I think if they have that "positive reaction" from the storyline mk fans they'll make it canon, if they hate it as a majority then have it have nothing to do with MK9 and just continue from that point post MKA. The only problem I see with this is say they explain what happened in MK8 post MKA(which I think they will) and then decide not to have MK8's/DC storyline canon that can raise a few problems IMO if they want to continue the storyline from MK7-MK9 and skip MK8 because some people might not like that. If I were midway, I'd make it canon personally. Whoever likes it, likes it, whoever doesn't..doesn't. There are some things I believe that they should do without worrying THAT much about the "fanbase" especially a fanbase that disagrees often with each other....you can't please everyone lol.

Now, on the DBZ thing if they say should crossover with SF you see to me I see a few odd things with that say it happens.

I love SF, second to my MK back to the 2D days but honestly would have a hard time at first anyway accepting the fact of SF guys going up against air borne characters when they fight a lot lol. I'm sure they could tweak that for balance but the few DBZ games I've played so far GT for PS1(rare and fun game) the only DBZ I like so far, the one for PS2 and the one for the will a lot of the characters most of the time are fighting in the air/flying while the SF characters are more "earthbound" lol so I think for that concept to work DBZ has to be more earth bound in the fighting mechanic or they could make SF more "air borne" which I wouldn't want honestly lol

They were a lot more air jumpy in MVC however, but for the most part most of the fighting takes place on the ground.

Who knows though? Capcom has been known for a few crossovers already so I won't be surprised if this happens but being a SF casual fan I'd be a little skeptical I'll admit with the DBZ crossover.

Hmmmm... to be honest... I always wondered what a crossover game featuring MK would be like...

I guess MK being a popular franchise would make DC,an unpopular franchise,become more...popular.

Anyway,I'm gonna get this game no matter the reviews.

well i'm not really against this game , though i am a little disapointed. what happened to the dark gritty story line? the story line that was supposed to tie up all the lose endings , and more importantly at least to me , the fatalities. to me mk wouldn't even seem like mk without the fatalities.

hell we're not even gonna get any new mk characters now because their only gonna pick the icons. now mk vs dc may be great for some , but its really not my cup of tea. hell i don't even really like many dc characters other than maybe batman .

i'll probably still buy this game just for my love of mk , and i'm definitely not going to have a stroke over a few dc characters . i just think it would be nice if boon would deliver what he has promised for once instead of the same old shit , lies.

as for all the fighting and argueing thats been going on around here , its just a fucking game people . its not the end of the world. theres probably bigger things going on in your lives than to have to worry weather someone like this game or not.

Look, I'm getting really tired of being told that I'm not a "true" MK fan because I don't like the idea of MKvDCU. I'm still buying the game - I'm still loyal to the production team - yes, I do feel slightly betrayed, and I fully admit that the game might be totally, frickin' awesome - hell it might become my favorite of all the Mortal Kombat games in years to come. But the fact remains that I'm not pleased with the idea.

My point is, I don't go around name-calling people who like the game "{insert random insult here}". I am entitled to my opinion, and there's nothing wrong with me not liking the idea of the lack of fatalities, for example.

Please, feel free to disagree with my opinions on the little information that's been released so far about MKvDCU - that's your right. But please, recognize the fact that I'm still a Mortal Kombat fan!

I also fully admit that there are good points about MKvDCU from what we've heard so far, like the retooled fighting system. I personally have trouble, despite the good points, not being able to look over the bad ones. Many people think that the good outweighs the bad. We're all entitled to our opinions.

filth interestint post man, the only thing I might disagree slightly with is the storyline gig. We were going to get something fresh anyway, and although it's not the "exclusive MK gritty" this game still looks pretty damn dark for a crossover lol.

I'm looking forward to it, at least they're keeping blood and finishing moves.



I don't remember flaming anyone if you're referring to me, but all I'm saying is that a true MK fan will at least be "openminded" despite if they "like" this idea or not. Give the game a chance is what I'm saying, some fans on here hate the game already because of their personal hatred for DC characters...

I just feel that's not fair to the DC guys and believe me I say the same over at dc site with the DC fans that don't know shit about the MK universe, so I'll say something correcting them. Like for example, one guy said he doesn't see how "Superman can be hurt at all in MK's world" yet A. Magic hurts superman and B. little did he know that Outworld, Zaterra, Netherrealm etc has no Yellow sun and lots of dark magic...

In the end on this game, nobody knows anything for "sure" concerning the overall game and gameplay. We as fans can only speculate, guess and choose to be either optimistic or not.

I'm looking forward to it

MKF,I completely agree with you.It seems as if people are so eager to make this game look terrible.People will always be Ignorant/arrogant,and I doubt that there will be any way to change it.

I think the trouble was that we were getting hyped for Mortal Kombat The Eighth. Piled on top of that is the unsatisfying, clusterfucked ending of Armageddon.

I'm kinda surprised by the amount of hate directed towards this game though. I can understand the disappointment but some of it has been nigh on retarded and continuous. The amount of new fucking topics on some random person opinion's who has had only 12 or 13 views on MKO and yet they are HARDKORE MK Fans and they are going to give up on the franchise.

Some people did that about the time of Deadly Alliance, that was for a good reason, the game wasn't as good as its immediate competition. To say that you are going to give up on MK because of, what it basically a spin off title, that might lack the amount of blood and bones flung about in a usual MK title.

I think beyond the "HARDKORE" giving up on the series the main problem this game has is its development team. They haven't been known for producing quality output for a long time. I hope I'm wrong but this game needs to deliver on gameplay terms. That is probably more important than anything else now.

If this game is just Armageddon with a few new gimmicks then the series is in more trouble than just FUCKING BATMAN IN MY GAME.

One thing I want to point out (again!)though is, I don't think the Street Fighter fans slit their wrists with X-Men Vs Street Fighter.

true, but thats kinda like compareing apples to oranges. marvel and sf are more similer in style than mk and dc. besides i think capcom made the x-men game before they did the cross over, witch would at least give fans an idea of what they were in for. midway needs to prove that they can make a decent mk game before they try to do a cross over game imo.

I don't know about that, Venom vs. Zangief? MegaMan vs. Akuma? ummm yaaa lol....honestly that MVC match up makes as much sense storyline wise as MK vs. DC does dude.

At least with MK8 however, Midway/DC are actually going to explain why the merge happened unlike MVC.....which was more about "getting the similar cartoony look" and it's own version of air kombat.

Midway has made good MK games FTR, MK2, MK3, UMK3, MK:DA and MKM and MK:SM. MKD and MKA are broken but can be fun...as far as those two however, MKA is better then MKD from a gameplay point of view.

Yeah dude, I agree with your first part especially. I mean I'm sorry but, if someones a "hardcore MK fan" then they won't just sell their shit or be like one second "OMG MK good bye" because someone like Batman is in it for now... It's crazy. Well, I wouldn't say that about Midway not delivering in "a long time" I mean MK:MSub and MK:SM were great games, MK2, MK3, UMK3, MKDA were fun. MKA honestly I felt just left too much open as oppose to just bad, I thought a lot of bios, characters were good just left open...I'm sure we'll get a much better idea in MK8 what happened post MKA...with the new storyline and such If they wanted to, since there will only be 22 characters both Midway and DC can write bios for their characters...that's only 10-11 each which is nothing but that's assuming they're even needed. I felt way too many fans emphasized on that shit, costumes etc... But I am very much looking forward to MK8

i was talking about sf vs x-men. read the post above mine from jba. granted marvel vs capcom did have some odd match ups,but for as old as it is it will probably still be more popular than mk vs dc.