Barakaz_cuz Wrote:
Please excuse my ignorance, but what makes Tobias so special? I've always been curious, but never really bothered to ask. Mind filling me in?

Joe-Von-Zombie Wrote:


John Tobias is the scapegoat for a lot of fans in the MK community simply because he's not involved in the franchise anymore. They honestly believe that the franchise would be in better shape if Tobias was still involved, I personally believe the contrary, that the franchise would be in far WORSE shape (if not dead and buried) if he had stayed on. He was involved with two of the worst games in the series, Mortal Kombat 4 and Special Forces, and both projects of his post-MK were failures.

Joe-Von-Zombie Wrote:


John Tobias is the scapegoat for a lot of fans in the MK community simply because he's not involved in the franchise anymore. They honestly believe that the franchise would be in better shape if Tobias was still involved, I personally believe the contrary, that the franchise would be in far WORSE shape (if not dead and buried) if he had stayed on. He was involved with two of the worst games in the series, Mortal Kombat 4 and Special Forces, and both projects of his post-MK were failures.

MINION Wrote:

Tao Feng wasn't.

Joe-Von-Zombie Wrote:


Where's the sequel?

ErmaSco Wrote:

Edit : Iam sure that this a hint for Tobias because if Ed wanted to hint for Noob then why did not he use( Boon ? ) instead ?

fedegita Wrote:


lol.......... sperm whale.



Tobias--

Good: MK, MKII, MK3 (tho mk3 is arguable)

Bad: MK4, MKM:SZ, whatever else.

Vogel--

Good: MKDA

Bad: MKD, MKA.


Maybe together they' can iron out each other's flaws? Assuming they can work together?

fedegita Wrote:
Tobias--

Good: MK, MKII, MK3 (tho mk3 is arguable)

Bad: MK4, MKM:SZ, whatever else.

Vogel--

Good: MKDA

Bad: MKD, MKA.


Maybe together they' can iron out each other's flaws? Assuming they can work together?

MINION Wrote:

Would of been a dead give away. Plus most said that they didn't like how NOOB was missing the Saibot in game, only being used in his Endings. Maybe ed is hinting to fans Noob will be in, and have the Saibot at the end of his life gauge.

T-rex Wrote:

I'm sick and tired of people fucking bashing MKD for reasons other than bugged-out-the-ass gameplay. The storyline expanded greatly upon the foundation laid out in MKDA. And don't tell me you didn't shit bricks of awesome the first time you saw freaking Onaga stomp through the gates of Shang Tsung's Palace and just shrug off everything two of the mightiest sorcerers in the MK universe AND a lightning god throw at him,as the entire undead army kneels before its true lord and master. That was freaking hardcore.

T-rex Wrote:
MKA - Vogel stated numerous times that he was against the idea of resurrecting everyone,but he went along with it because he,well,had to. And looking back at it,he did a pretty decent job with the tools he was given. Taven turned out to be quite a compelling protagonist. More bios certainly wouldn't hurt (and we do know he did write them all,btw); blame the Midway marketing division.

fedegita Wrote:
"MKD storyline was crap (opinion, settle down). You had the unforeseeable in MKDA through Liu Kang and Shao Kahn (supposedly) dying and Shang/Quan teaming up (moving away from that whole "big bad final boss of every other game"). And they took everything that made MKDA unique and tossed it out in MKD: Liu Kang returning in that horrifically pointless zombie getup, Onaga (a slow, boring, beefed up Shao Kahn), and threw in a bunch of "nostalgia" characters who neither had terrific stories or radical redesigns (except Ermac and Baraka).

Maybe some fans get a kick out of seeing a massive dragonman walking through a throne and defeating everyone in sight with no effort, but that whole "omg he's so unbelievably big and powerful how the hell do we stop him?" lost its affect on me after Dragonball Z. It's cheap, it's childish, and it's been done to death. Even Shinnok, as mundane as he was, had a certain intimidation factor in the fact that he was a fallen elder god. And Shao Kahn was not only big but fast. There's nothing scary about the incredible hulk with bat wings. Though I will admit, the bit where the undead army knelt before him was pretty cool.".

queve Wrote:
ATTENTION!!!!!

IF what TMK hinted about his long interview with Ed Boon is true.....John Tobias is/will be back.

He mentioned something veeeery interesting in the Midway forums about Tobias, something thats supposed to surprise us. O_0!

LordShaoKahn Wrote:


Queve, this is music for my ears :D

Thanks for this piece of news :)

ErmaSco Wrote:


I would hope for the second one more than the first .

MINION Wrote:
Sequals don't mean ish. The first made an Impact on gamers like me. And I still play it.

LordShaoKahn Wrote:
Street Fighter has a lot of Ryu-Ken-Dan-Akuma clone characters and nobody complains about it.

LordShaoKahn Wrote:


+1


Mmm it's good to be back in this forums. :)

I'm a great fan of Tobias's work. Really. People tend to blame him for failures that don't belong to him. Tobias only created characters and storyline as far as I know.

MK4 was a failure, but why? It had THE BEST ATMOSPHERE IN THE WHOLE SAGA. For those who demand darker MKs, MK4 was the darkest, no doubt. In terms of characters wasn't bad. Quan Chi could be one of the best characters in the saga. Fujin also was cool. I believe Kai wasn't bad. Maybe Jarek and Tanya were the worst, being last moment replacements for other well known characters. The story was cool. I think the gameplay was the one who sucked. Really. Facing Tekken 3 with an outdated gameplay was a big mistake. But gameplay wasn't Tobias thing. Niether it was the pathetic "copy and paste" moves given to some of his characters, like Jarek or even Shinnok.

The whole MK Mythology was built up by Tobias. All the characters that we love were from Tobias pencils. I am not blaming Vogel, he has done a great work too. But you can see some similarities with past and present games. Seems that the new saga tries to emulate Tobias's saga:

- MK is a little tournament in an island were few warriors try to defend earthrealm from the attack of a sorcerer. (Shao Kahn hadn't been mentioned) MKDA is the same thing: only that this time there are two sorcerers. Even Tsung's island appear in the story. Except Liu Kang, the main characters from MK1 were back. There was a "Goro-alike" sub-boss kept in a "Goro's lair-alike" room. MK1 talked about the last champion of MK's soul taken by Tsung. In MKDA Tsung kills Liu, the previous champion of MK. It looks like an MK1 update, in terms of story.

-MK2 it's the coming of the big boss, Shao Kahn. MKD means the coming of another big boss, Onaga. Who, curiosly, looks like a big Reptile dressed with Kahn's armor. That is, Shao Kahn's reptilian clone. Although MKD's konquest mode has in it the biggest story in the whole saga, 85% of it is not canon, that is, useless. IMHO MKD's storyline sucks a lot. But it's only a personal opinion. MKD tried to emulate MK2 with no luck at all. Even stages from MK2 were included to create atmosphere, but in vain.

-MK3 it's earth's invasion: a massive war between good and evil. The same way MK Armageddon was the ultimate battle between the same groups. Even the concept of collecting every MK character had been done before in the MK3-UMK3-MKT era. MKA tried to emulate MK3 saga, with less luck even than the previous game. Again, MK3 levels were taken trying to reproduce the apocalyptic look from earthrealm's invasion. No way near, really.

So it looks like they tried to emulate Tobias's work. Why? Was it really all crap?

I think you are hanging up Tobias for crimes he didn't commit. Maybe Stryker was fat, but not in his drawings. It was the actor who was awfull. A lot of ninjas were palette swapped, but it was caused by memory limitations, not by lack of imagination. Street Fighter has a lot of Ryu-Ken-Dan-Akuma clone characters and nobody complains about it. Even Tekken and Soulcalibur has the same characters with different outfit: Eddy-Christie, Jin-Kazuya, Jack-Jack2,Jack3..., Kuma-Panda, Alex-Roger, etc and nobody says it.

MK4 gameplay sucked 10 years ago because it kept the same gameplay that MK3 in 3D. But now Street Fighter 4 comes back with the same gameplay that Street Fighter 2 and everybody wants to buy it. The same goes with Tobias. We are not being objective. Tobias wasn't responsible for all of the past glory of MK but neither he was for all of the shit.

If you like Tobias, it's good news that he would be back. But if you like Vogel I think it's good news also that we could have both making MK storylines. ;)