Lets say they brought him back in mk8 or mk9 it would be cool during the match that he goes in and out of being noob saibot and the old subzero.Like his custom would fade in and out of both like he was trying to break free or something.That and lets get back to calling him noob saibot and not freak noob cause that sounds stuid.

How about let's not? Anyone who wants to bring the old Sub Zero back is not a Noob Saibot fan. We already have two Sub Zeros and that's enough. Noob Saibot is a unique character and he needs to stay that way. What you are suggesting would destroy his uniqueness and bring his cool factor down to zero. The old Sub Zero is dead, face it. Gone. Noob Saibot is 10 times better. I don't want to see any of this happy ending, free me from myself bullshit. Noob Saibot should like who he is and want to stay that way because he is the coolest MK character ever. I just hope Boon and crew realize his potential and develop him into the kickass character that he should be instead of continuing to ruin their creation with bullshit, uncreative, lame-ass plot twists.

And as far as rivalries go, Noob should not beef with Scorpion. Noob should acknowledge Scorpion and respect him. No childish feud over who killed who. The score is one to one. They've both killed each other, they're even. Two undead ninjas who respect each other, maybe even team up briefly if the situation calls for it. They should both be neutral anti-heroes. I'm tired of black and white. Both of these guys should fall into the gray area. No more Saturday morning cartoon plot lines, get some actual writers for once, people who know what they're doing.

Why should Noob Saibot acknowledge and respect Scorpion when Scorpion is an incompetent, trouble-making jackass? I'm not opposed to an idea of them having a rivalry, but I agree that it should NOT be based on them killing each other in the past. I'd rather have it be so that Scorpion's rivalry is based on trying to take responsibility for his actions and put an end to the evil he helped create. That would be a redeeming factor for his story and character.

Although Noob doesn't own Scorpion anything given how he's "noob" not C-Sub, both Scorpion and Noob aren't all different in some ways.

Both have lived in the pits of the Neatherrealm, both have done things that bring question and both have been out for revenge on the same guy. Current Sub-Zero. Scorpion however I felt at least had reason, while Noob just seems to kill his Brother because he knows who he is and hates him. It's like Noob's subconscience (C-sub) the part that resents his younger Brother.

Just my view on that.

First of all, Scorpion's being a trouble-making jackass is no fault of his own, it's the fault of the writers. In order to make the MK story straight, they're going to have to make some serious retcons. Yes, I said retcons. Maybe the MK team has used them too freely in the past, but if they get the story right for once, they wouldn't have to.

And as far as Scorpion trying to rid the world of the evil he created, since when has Scorpion been such a boy scout? If you ask me, Noob really isn't all that bad. The MKA ending was a theoretical ending so it most likely never happened, and really, the whole enslaving Smoke storyline was completely irrelevant but if they do choose to continue it, hey, an aspiring evil dictator's gotta do what an aspiring evil dictator's gotta do. But really, Noob's wanting to take over the Netherrealm has nothing to do with either Sub Zero or Scorpion, so there's no reason for them to get involved.

However, Scorp, Noob, and Subby all have a common foe that can at least be used to bring them together into a grudging, not entirely trustful, yet containing mutual respect, alliance of convenience.

That's right. Shinnok and Quan Chi have both been a thorn in all three of these guys' sides since this dastardly duo first came on the scene in MKM:SZ. Noob wants Shinnok's place as ruler of the Netherrealm and he doesn't care too much for his untrustworthy lapdog, Quan Chi. Sub Zero probably wants them dead for using his older brother, not to mention framing him for the murder of Scorpion's clan, and Scorpion (if his MKA ending is canon) wants his son and clan back.

Frankly, I really see no need to bring younger SZ into it as he would be a better fit becoming one of the main good guys defending Earthrealm. The Netherrealm is really more of a domain for Noob and Scorpion and it would be interesting to see how their little fued with Chinnok and Quan Chi turns out. Noob offers Scorpion a right hand position as ruler of hell if he helps lead the assault, Scorpion accepts for his own reasons, and the ensuing battle rocks the bowels of the Netherrealm. Noob fullfills his political agenda and Scorpion gets revenge.

This would lead to interesting possibilities. With Noob as ruler of the Netherrealm, he would have the power to return Scorpion and his clan to life. Noob sits on the throne of Hell, the Shirae Ryu live again, everybody's happy. Sub Zero has his own story going on in Earthrealm/Outworld but at least now he can say he's the brother of the Prince of Darkness. Everybody wins.

I think the fusion will have Noob Saibot's powers but the original Sub-Zero's personality... or maybe he'll be completely different, or his ending won't come true at all.

No fusion at all.
I want Noob to be like a Hades kinda character.

Even so, Scorpion has become almost irredeemable. I don't think they need to necessarily retcon his story. They just need to guide him in the right direction.



For the first part here, you misunderstand. I'm not saying that Scorpion should be "goody-goody", but he should wise up and take responsibility for his actions, something he hasn't really done.

And for the second part, you seem to be ignoring the fact that Noob Saibot is a wraith of pure evil. The aspects of goodness and compassion he kind of had as Sub-Zero are GONE. Also, he and Smoke infiltrated the Lin Kuei temple, trying to convert the Lin Kuei into Shadow Stalkers and to kill Sub-Zero. So for you to say that Noob isn't all that bad doesn't much sense.

In addition, I didn't bring up anything in regards to Noob Saibot's ending, so I don't understand what you were getting at.



This is highly unlikely. It's clear that Noob Saibot wants Sub-Zero dead. Scorpion and Sub-Zero don't seem to want anything to do with each other, and I think an alliance between the two would only work in opposition towards someone like Noob Saibot. Quan Chi is hardly a lapdog of Shinnok. For Scorpion's story to continue with the revenge theme would be a huge mistake and would likely be the final nail in the coffin.



I find that to be absurd as that sounds awfully sugarcoated to me, especially the "everybody's happy" part. As I said above, Noob Saibot has NO compassion. Btw, it's Shirai Ryu.

We don't know if everything that occurred during MK:A's Konquest was canon, and we can't say one way or another if Noob Saibot has any interest in Sub-Zero.

Yeah, Noob Saibot is pretty much pure evil right now. He's a soul completely warped by the Netherealm into a being carved of sin. He ain't going to give anyone a handshake anytime soon, and that's the way it should be.

As I've gone on record saying many times, this is what I believe should happen between Sub-Zero, Noob Saibot and Scorpion:

Sub-Zero wants to destroy what was once his brother. This evil is too strong, and he wants to undo the evil taint he leaves on the realms. He is wise enough to realise that Noob Saibot is not who his brother was, and he won't waste his time pleading, he'll just freeze his ass and shatter it. That's his motivation in the next game right there.

In Armageddon, Scorpion brutally murders Quan Chi. Like brutally. I think they actually need to include a video of it, and I think it needs to make people squirm. It needs to be something that makes Scorpion look like a pure merciless bad ass, so his character can regain some credibility. Then he does not rest, and he realises who and what Noob Saibot is, and that he created it. He's not a goody-goody, but he knows that if he does not end the existence of Noob Saibot, he will not be able to rest, because he is responsible for him.

I personally hate the idea of Noob Saibot trying to get his own army going. I think he should work alone, and be all about making a solitary grab for power. He tries that in the next game, with Sub-Zero and Scorpion both separately racing to finish him.

Sub-Zero gets that honour, using the newfound power he has been granted by the Dragon Medallion, and sends his brother back to the Netherealm, where Shinnok is waiting to make him his bitch for his assumed treachery. Not a happy ending for Noob, but maybe he can work his way out again someday, and be even more pissed off and demonic.

However, Scorpion has now missed his last chance for salvation. Sub-Zero righted the wrong of Noob Saibot, and now Scorpion has nothing to save the realms from. So basically Scorpion needs to avenge his crimes to ascend, but his crimes have already been avenged by Sub-Zero, so there is no hope for him of purifying himself.

This, of course, make Scorpion pretty mad at Sub-Zero, being the renewed "I don't care who you are, I'll make you get the fuck over here with him harpoon" Scorpion he is. He goes hunting for Sub-Zero, and he now has a permanent reason to remain in the games (he cannot go anywhere else).

Just to make things interesting in the new Sub-Zero vs. Scorpion feud, I would have someone steal Sub-Zero's amulet at the end of MK8, which reduces Sub-Zero's powers, and returns him to being the young ninja he should be. With Scorpion after him, and Sub-Zero not being sure he can defeat a pissed off Scorpion without his souped up powers, it creates a sense of urgency to his character. Subby needs to retrieve his Dragon Medallion before Scorpion catches up to him.

Ehh, the Scorpion vs. Sub-Zero fued should end, and I think most people agree that they're tired of Scorpion always wanting revenge.

I know, but to be honest, that's all I can see Scorpion doing. His feud with Quan Chi was boring, because he never got revenge. Scorpion would also get killed, and he'd be like Wile E. Coyote.

However, Scorpion doing anything else would just be a snooze-fest, in my opinion. Scorpion, in essence, is a being spawned for revenge.

To GraveDigger: I'm pretty sure that all of MKA's Konquest is canon, otherwise, it'll suffer from the same problem that MKD's Konquest suffered from. Also, if you remember Sareena's MKA bio, it seems plausible that they obtained the metallic device from her in order to find their way into the new Lin Kuei Temple.

To You-Know-Who: I don't like your idea of renewing the Scorpion/Sub-Zero rivalry. If the only thing you see for Scorpion is him being hellbent on revenge, that shows just how bad things are with Scorpion. That wouldn't be taking him in a new direction and would just be putting him back in the same crap as before. So in other words, it would completely ruin his character and make him irredeemable. A better solution is to simply take him in a better direction. If you want some kind of example, please check out the MK; Resurrection story that we have for him or even check out XiahouDun84's MK: Rebirth story. So yeah, I personally despise the revenge angle with Scorpion's story. It's overdone, and I've long been sick and tired of it.

I do agree that Sub-Zero should realize that his brother is gone and would want to destroy Noob in order to honor him and let his soul rest.

I'm all for Noob to be in MK8, but without any of those rivalries. He should take a new turn and maybe begin a new fued/rivalry. It could be against either, Sareena or maybe Smoke.