Check it. Shang Tsung, & Quan Chi, aren't friends, but they allied for in return favors. But in the end drew greed over the amulet. Noob could partner with Scorpion in his attempt to kill Quan Chi. In return for Scorpion helping Noob Saibot kill Sub-Zero. Thus in the end, fighting each other, due to Noob Saibot, finally revealing who he truly was before he was killed by Scorpion. With each other's greatest nemesis out of the way. What better then to try and destroy each other. IMO, this works out perfectly.


Yea bro, i did Love Stryker as a character, still do. But i know he has no place anymore. And well Noob has alot of potential. I like his attitude and style. Just plain Badass imo.

Nice one bro, that sounds like it could be plausible.

He should just be Noob Saibot. Wraith. He maybe an outcast, in the fact he say's nothing. But hey, JASON, MICHAEL MYSERS, LEATHERFACE. All killers and say nothing. Noob is sex man.

Like the old saying goes. If you got nothing nice to say. Don't say anything at all. Noob is a man of very few words. I can dig!

To Juergen: What purpose would it serve to rekindle the story from Mythologies, and what's your point about the amulet?

As for a Scorpion/Noob Saibot alliance, it's not something I exactly like the sound of it, but it would depend on how it was done. Such a story idea could easily go wrong.

To MINION: I don't think the idea you have would be good, because that basically drags the whole revenge plot in Scorpion's story. Scorpion should be done with his revenge and move on. Also, Scorpion vowed not to harm Sub-Zero. Then there's also the motive behind Scorpion and Noob Saibot wanting each other dead.

I agree, Wraith Noob is the way to go. The lack of talking does solidify his level of bad assery

If they did the alliance. Then it would kill off 2 more characters. And then they can kill them selves. Imo it's a great way to get rid of characters.
Before MKDA i wouldn't of agreed with Quan & Shang allying. But it worked out so nicely. And as odd as it sounds now. Who knows it could be good. Granted Scorpion said he wasn't gonna kill Sub-Zero. But at the jump of killing Quan Chi for killing his family and clan. Sub-Zero would be last on his list of worries. Now i know you're a Sub fan. I can respect that I'm wanting to see a fav of yours dead, and it might be something you don't want. But imo this would be a good ender for these 4. Maybe even Smoke could allign himself with new age Sub. Who knows. But i do agree with someone when they said Sub should Feud with Sektor. Wouldn't be a bad idea. But it should of been something that was done back in Deception.

@SZ7th, i hear what your saying bro. I'm not disagreeing. I'm just standing by a could be, standpoint. As a fan of NS.

Imo, it's a lousy way to get rid of the characters. There's still much to explore with Sub-Zero's story, and for him to be killed off by the combined force of Noob Saibot and Scorpion comes off as rather cheap and empty. Also, it makes Scorpion worse, because not only has he been portrayed as an asshole, but for him to go against his vow for the sake of getting revenge makes him an even less likable character.

And then when you get to Scorpion fighting Noob Saibot after learning Noob's former identity, what would be the motive behind it? Would it simply be due to Noob Saibot once being the older Sub-Zero? If it's just another cycle of revenge or hatred, then it completely ruins those three characters. If it's something like what XiahouDun84 and I suggested, it would be better, but at the same time, there'd still be that issue of Scorpion having his lack of nobility.

As for a feud between Sub-Zero and Sektor, it's probably better for the next-gen games, more so if there was an alliance between Sektor and Noob Saibot. That would likely work better than an alliance between Noob Saibot and Scorpion. I actually think that Sub-Zero should've had to deal with the Red Dragon in MKD as that would've made use out of them, especially if we throw Sonya and Kenshi into the mix. In addition, Kira should've been in the Red Dragon and be set up as Sonya's greatest nemesis, not Mavado. But this bit is for other conversations.

Going back to Noob Saibot, I feel that if you want him to have an alliance, have it with Sektor. It would make more sense as they have a common enemy in Sub-Zero, were both once in the Lin Kuei, and are trying to create an army of cyborgs. So while Noob Saibot could help Sektor get control of Earthrealm, Sektor could help Noob Saibot get control of the Netherrealm. As a fan of both Sub-Zero and Noob Saibot, the Noob/Scorpion alliance idea you have would be a disaster. That's just how I feel at least.

The only reason i suggested Scorpion is because if Scorpion were to help, him being the EXPERIENCED, and more POWERFUL allie for the alliance. Rather then Sektor, if Noob had Sub killed. He could steal his Dragon Medallion and use it as a Source of Power, That way he has a little into his favor going into the battle with Scorpion.

You mentioned about why he would keep it from Scorpion about him being the Original. Is for the same reason Quan suckered Scorpion into getting the Amulet in Mythologies if Sub had failed. He lied to him about killing his family and clan. In MKMSZ, Quan made Scorp a Pawn. And if anyone should learn from Quan. It would defiantly be Noob since he was the one to be Lied to, his entire Quest.

I defiantly do agree with the Sektor thing. If Sub had defeated Sektor to become the new grandmaster. Then it would seem only fair. But in MKA, it seem'd as if Sonya was in a rage against Sektor. (NON CANON) But it draws out how she feel's about him.

They killed eachother so there is no need for revenge anymore...

They both know that they are both unstoppable forces to be reckoned with. So why not double the chaos???


The key to everything in the current and past events of Mortal Kombat is Shinnok's sacred amulet. Quan Chi geve Shinnok the fake amulet way before Mortal Kombat. Shinnok played Onaga while Onaga played Shujinko, while Quan Chi played Scorpion and Sub Zero, while Shinnok played Daegon and Taven and so forth and so on....Remember the amulet started this whole mess called "Mortal Kombat" since its foundation by the Elder Gods.

Personally, the only way I see Scorpion creating an alliance with anyone as if it some how benefits him otherwise I don't see it happening.

He's neutral, does his own thing...doesn't really take sides.

I don't know. I just can't envision Noob Saibot as a boss, proper. Goro, Kintaro, Motaro, Onaga, Shinnok (More so in Mythologies) Shao Kahn. Heck, even the old and young versions of Shang Tsung. But nothing about Noob screams out "Supreme ruler of any realm", to me. Maybe if he's bigger and less ninja-like; maybe if he looked something like Darth Vader, I could buy it, but at the moment, no. I can only see hin playing one of the "minor" antogonists, like Kano. For the moment, at least.

I still don't see what this has to do with Noob Saibot. Are you saying he should try to get the Amulet?


I'm not so sure about a Noob/Scorpion alliance. I can kind of see Noob maybe offering one. Since he's proud of what he is, he might actually feel somewhat grateful to Scorpion for "creating" him. He could approach Scorpion and try to convince him that they're the same and should be working together.

I'm not so sure if Scorpion should take that offer though. Like Sub-Zero_7th, I would prefer Scorpion to have an epiphiny where he realizes that his selfish revenge created a great evil and he sets about trying to destroy it. BUT....this is of course the pre-retcon Scorpion I'm talking about. Post-retcon Scorpion is nowhere near that contemplative...and would probably be duped into some sort of scheme rather easily.



I don't see Noob becoming a boss-level threat....but I can see him becoming an upper mid-level threat. Not on the level of Shao Kahn or Quan Chi....but definity higher than Kano. I do agree though, that if Noob is to become ruler of the Netherealm, he should probably take a more imposing and fearsome appearance.

Wow... i have been gone for some time. So when did MINION become a Noob Saibot fan?

I really can't see Noob Saibot as a ruler of the netherealm. But Noob Saibot forming his own Assassin Guild would be good. Maybe not a army of cyborg demons, since i see Smoke breaking free at one point. Maybe some other fallen Lin warriors that also became wraiths while in the netherealm.

I would loathe the idea of Noob Saibot becoming Sub-Zero again or something new. That ending was $h!t and was recycled from Quan Chi's DA ending.

I would like for Noob Saibot to stop working with Quan Chi. Its negates the i'm going solo bit. Or explain why he help lure Sareena back to Quan Chi. Whats he getting out of this?

Yes... Noob Saibot should return for MK8 or future installments.

the only reason noob wouldont roturn is if midway are complete retards

A while now, I think his fav overall is Stryker but Noob's in his fav 5.

am I the only one still against having Noob Saibot being the MK1 Sub Zero?



It is almost as bad as having Reiko as Shao Kahn.

Yep, Stryker is #1 as far as all time favorite. Noob is 2nd due to his Evil way's. Which i like. You got good fav being Stryker, & Noob being Bad.

Really? I always thought that if they were gonna bring someone back from the dead, that was the correct fashion in which to do so.

Not resurrections, no "incantation's", no blessings or fake deaths like "whoops, didn't see ya hanging there for 3 games" type crap.

I loved the way they brought Noob into the picture. He was a unique swap(if that makes any sense), he was relevant, and he was solidified with one of the biggest, best twists MK has seen.

He's always been like my 1st or 2nd fav ninja. He fights with Ermac for that placement with Sub-Zero being a firm 3rd.

Well I do like characters developing their own strenghts than crossing characters.

I always wonder because Scorpion killed Sub Zero, Why did he find him like he found Quan Chi in the Netherealm.

Because in Mk2, Just makes Scorpion look like a dumbass. Given that Noob Saibot is from the Netherrealm, while he couldn't find Sub Zero in there. So He would be very curious in Noob Saibot and Not in the little brother.

I feel that in this case, it works. The older Sub-Zero died in MK1, and Noob Saibot didn't have much to him throughout his story prior to MKD. Scorpion was simply concerned about killing him, not finding him in the Netherrealm. Also, because the older Sub-Zero had gone into a new form, how would Scorpion recognize him? In addition, Scorpion didn't know (and still might not know) that it was the younger Sub-Zero, because he heard (and/or saw) that Sub-Zero was apparently still alive. So he got his way into being allowed to go to Outworld to track Sub-Zero down. It's not incompetence on Scorpion's part.

Killing Yes. As Emotionial as Scorpion is, I do think That he is very incompetence as a Ninja. Ninjas are supposed to be tactful. Don't forget what he did to Quan Chi in the Netherrealm after Mk4 up to just before MKDA.

The Older Sub Zero will be NO different than Quan Chi. Also a vengeful Ninja would have , while in the netherrealm, would strive to find his killer so he wouldn't get out of Hell.


Once that Scorpion figure out that MK2 Sub Zero is not the MK1 Sub Zero, he would gone and study the other ninjas like Noob Saibot.

To me, A good Ninja should be very thru with his studies of both of his enemies and allies.

Noob return in MK8- Yes.
Noob as a hybrid- No
Noob/Scorpion rivalry- sure

People want Noob's MKA ending to be true...why? It's just like when I wanted Noob-Smoke's ending in MKD to be canon. In which Noob and Smoke killed Sub-Zero by slaying him. I then wanted Sub-Zero to become automated, but I knew he wouldn't be in MKA. I was thinking about in the next real MK game...MK8. I've been over it for a while now.

Actually, it's not that far-fetched. Sub-Zero killed Scorpion and then Scorpion killed Sub-Zero and created Noob Saibot, but Scorpion has shown that he can put his grudge against the Lin Kuei on hold to beat around Quan Chi or something.

I doubt you'd catch Scorpion and Noob Saibot making out in a closet, but the last few stories for Scorpion have been really weak, and I can see him being put into an alliance out of deep-rooted respect with Noob Saibot in later games if it means an end to his means.

Oh, and in response to the post that follows this one (yeah, I got my order all muddled up): Scorpion would also be after Noob Saibot, as he'd brutally murder Quan Chi in Armageddon, only to not ascend. He can not be at peace until he destroys the wraith that he is responsible for.
Scorpion fails to complete this mission, and instead Sub-Zero defeats Noob Saibot, and gives the Kriss to Ashrah, and Scorpion will never know peace. It gives him a constant reason to stay around in the games, and he would now relentlessly hunt Sub-Zero.
A lot of people are sick of the whole Sub-Zero/Scorpion thing, and its countless incarnations, but I think a pissed off Scorpion looking to get revenge on the man he has a weird history with, who has now sentenced him to an eternity as walking hell, would make damn fine television...I mean, gameplay.

Noob Saibot has never been one of the my favourite characters. I've never minded him, per se, but I've never gone for the characters that people traditionally accept as "bad ass." However, his story is hot right now, so it would make sense for him to return.

This might get a few people upset, as its an odd direction to take his character, but I'd have Sub-Zero kill Smoke in Armageddon, while Ashrah slices up Noob Saibot with the Kriss, and attains purification. Ashrah's spirit ascends from the Netherealm, and the Kriss is left behind.

The Netherealm is sealed with the destruction of Blaze, and Noob discovers that Shinnok is ruling the Netherealm with an iron fist (or a skeleton fist...whichever). Saibot's intentions to take over have become well known by Shinnok, and he sends his highest rank Oni after him. Saibot manages to come across the Kriss, though, and he slays them, and manages to use the Kriss to somehow escape the Netherealm.

So his story in MK8 will be that he's escaped from hell, and he doesn't want to go back. It makes him like a bit of a coward, but Saibot also has revenge on his mind: slicing up Sub-Zero and Ashrah. He also decides that if he's going to be alive, he might as well take over the Lin Kuei, and make himself a mortal king in Earthrealm.

Sub-Zero knows Noob Saibot is back, and goes looking to again foil his brother's schemes. Ashrah senses that her Kriss is in the hands of evil, so she leaves her new human life to retrieve it, and defeat the evil that wields it, and there are two more than tie into Saibot's potential story: Sareena and Frost both seem like potential followers of Noob Saibot to me. Sareena owes Noob her life, after originally believing it to be Sub-Zero she owes. I can see this honour, and her demon instincts being all it takes to turn her to the dark side again. I'm not too big on Frost, and would rather see her captured and turned into a Tekunin, but if she discovers the origins of her race, and how Noob Saibot ties in, then I can see her joining him.

Later on, you can explore the origins of the necromancers. Taven and Daegon can both apparently control fire, but you look at Rain, and he's got the power to control water. That seems closer to "ice powers" than pyrokinetic ability. To give Sub-Zero more importance, you can kind of make the necromancers sort of "gods" of Outworld, at war with fire elementals, or something. Rain can be the son of Argus with a necromancer mother, possibly relating him to Frost, Sub-Zero and Noob Saibot, as well as Taven and Daegon. I haven't fleshed it all out in my head, but I can definitely see Sub-Zero having some kind of Outworld/Edenian importance.

Back to Noob Saibot, though. This might be controversial, but I'd change his image slightly. With the Kriss in his possession, I'd give him a new costume. The black is kind if iconic with Noob Saibot, but I wouldn't mind him entering "purification mode" while he's holding the Kriss, and he gets some kind of white-themed attire. The MK series has never had a white ninja, and I believe white is actually associated with death in China, and Saibot was part of a Chinese ninja clan.

Keep his black skin and undead eyes, and just have his costume go white, and I think he could be just as creepy as he is as a black ninja. His alternate costume could be an updated "classic" form.

In combat, I'd have him bust out the Kriss only for combos, and maybe special moves. He just hangs it from his attire otherwise, as it's his token out of the Netherealm, and he's not really seeking to use it to purify himself.