Well, as it's pretty obvious to you all, Sub-Zero is my favorite MK character and with MKA along the way, I decided to make a topic regarding him. Oh and this thread allows only for interesting and constructive conversation so no stupid shit like "Sub-Zero sucks." and "I hate Sub-Zero." or something to that extent. So to sum it up for boys and girls, if you have something constructive and relevant to the topic, go on and post. Otherwise, don't bother posting at all.

APPEARANCE

I think Sub-Zero is a character who has some unique looks to him. I enjoyed his MKD looks a lot, but I wasn't fond of the bald/ponytail combo in his alt costume. If they only have two costumes though, I wouldn't mind seeing either of them return. If they have 3 altogether, I would probably like to see his MKDA primary one to mix things up a little. What I mean is, have his MKD primary in which he has the armor look with the helmet then his MKD alt with the mask and a different costume while he has his MK3 type costume with the 50ish Bruce Wayne look for his MKDA primary costume.

STORYLINE

Sub-Zero has quite a few different directions to go and I think he has one of the best stories. Unfortunately, with the way things seem to be planned with the story direction, it seems like his story in this game will have to be very compact and he'll have to wrap a lot of things up.

I think these characters should be the main ones to tie into his story for this game:

Noob Saibot: sibling rivalry; this should be like the main thing for his story

Smoke: trying to free his best friend..that sort of thing

Frost: this depends on her motives; i'd like to see her be evil and sided with Noob Saibot or just be against him and him having to deal with her a bit

Sareena: I really hope she'll be tied into Noob's story so I hope that she'll also tie into Sub-Zero's story and maybe they'll work together or something when it comes to Noob. Either way, she needs involvement with those two in her MKA story, imo.

Scorpion: The two are no longer enemies and I hope they can tie Scorpion's storyline into the Sub/Noob conflict, perhaps with the two former enemies joining forces.

Sektor: Sektor = huge threat to Sub-Zero and Lin Kuei so I wouldn't be surprised if Sektor is going to try to destroy Sub-Zero. Maybe Sektor and Noob Saibot will join forces or something or maybe Sektor will just try to wipe out Sub-Zero's Lin Kuei warriors with the Tekunin cyborgs. It can go different ways. Either way, I'd picture an eventual battle between Sub-Zero and Sektor.

Aside from these characters, maybe Ashrah could tie into the Sub-Zero/Noob Saibot conflict since she wants to slay Noob Saibot and escape the Netherrealm. I'd like to see more backstory on Sub-Zero's race and what they were all about and what happened to them and all. I'm sure maybe we'll see Sub-Zero helping out the other heroes against the major main evil forces.

Sub-Zero's story is left off with him and Kenshi traveling only at night in Outworld to find a way back to Earthrealm and Hotaru is following the two so it needs to continue from there. Do the two split off? Does Hotaru catch up to them and try to destroy them? Also, Sub-Zero is unaware of what happened to the 5 heroes who tried to take on the Deadly Alliance and their Tarkatan forces.

If he's going to die, I think it should be trying to use all of his power to destroy Noob Saibot and I would like to see his soul go inside his armor so that there'll be someone in the future who will be destined to wear it. That's another thing too. Him getting that armor and donning it has to be no coincidence so what's he being destined for exactly? Do all of these power boosts and him looking younger in MKD than in MKDA along with the power s of cold have a particular significance? Is it possible that since he has Outworld heritage from his father's side and along with this power that the MK storywriters might make it so that he can live a long time?

So all in all, they need to tie up a lot of stuff with his storyline and really make his storyline long, deep, logical, and end things off nicely. I see some really good potential stuff for him and they should NOT fuck things up.

GAMEPLAY

Sub-Zero is a lower tier character in both MKDA and MKD and it's because he's a pretty solid character. He got much better gameplay wise in MKD due to a few different reasons, but he still can't stand a chance against certain characters so I hope he gets toned up but will still be solid and balanced.

Fighting Styles

Shotokan: I personally don't think that this style suits him. It's a Japanese style of Karate founded in the 1930s and it's powerful, direct, and aggressive. I can see that Sub-Zero is powerful, but he's always given me more of the impression of him being intelligent, calculating and more on the defensive side. That's not to say that Shotokan lacks defensive techniques, but it's a martial art that leans much more to the offensive side.

Since they're probably not going to change his styles, they need to make his Rising Thrust Kick (3) a mid again so it can hit crouching opponents. He needs a fast high attack like a jab and his Spear Hand Strike (1) on its own is a shitty move so that should be replaced with a fast, safe high hitting jab. I'm glad Sub-Zero has the D + 1 poke but he's not that fast when it comes to being able to do it over and over again. It's more of the type of poke in which you charge forward and poke which isn't necessarily bad. Maybe that's how things are supposed to be balanced for that move? I don't know.

My big problem with Shotokan is the lack of good enough mixups with his combos. He should have a combo that has a low attack in it. It's cool that he has combos like 1, 1, 3, F + 3 and 1, 1, 3, 2 and 1, 1, 3, B + 2 as well as 1, 1, 3, CS. That's great and all and of course would be better if 3 were a mid hitting attack that could hit a crouching opponent, but it would also be even better if he had a combo like 1, 1, 3, 4 in which 4 would be some kind of low kick.

I'm not sure what else is there to really help with it, but either way, Shotokan needs to be better with some things.
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Dragon: This was his best style in MKDA, but in MKD, I feel like it's his worst. Now, that's not to say that the style sucks, but it could be much better and still be pretty solid. Dragon seems to be his mix up style as well as his speed style which is good. I feel Sub-Zero should have some pretty good speed overall, because I don't want him to be slow.

If I'm not mistaken, in MKDA, 1, (1, 1), and (1, 1, 2) could be backdashed. It doesn't seem that way to me in MKD and I think those moves need to go back to being exactly as they were in MKDA with that aspect. D + 2, which was a shitty ranged but mid hitting launch move in MKDA is now a shitty ranged, mid hitting, useless piece of shit of a move. What the fuck were they on when they decided to take out that effect of that move? *sighs* D + 2, despite its shitty range, really needs to go back to the way it was in MKDA and if anyone disputes with me on that, let me ask you this:

Would you rather have a close-ranged, mid-hitting move that launced the opponent into the air if connected and pushed the opponent away a bit on block or would you rather have a close-ranged move that does crap damage, is unsafe on block and is just a one hit type move?

Anyhoo, another move that needs to go back to the way it was in its MKDA version is none other than U + 4. In MKDA, U + 4 (Wheel Turning Kick) tracked and hit mid and knocked the opponent down. In MKD, it hits HIGH, tracks and knocks the opponent down. It's not like the move was broken in MKDA so I don't see why it shouldn't go back to its MKDA version.

His Roundhouse Kick (3) needs to be useful as it's pretty useless and definitely unsafe on block.

Aside from all of this, Sub does have some interesting mix up combos in Dragon. I'm glad they added the 1, 1, 2, CS combo and if 1, 1, 2 were made like it was in MKDA, it could make you able to either backdash to be safe or you could press the CS button to hit the crouching opponent into the air for some good damage.

B + 1 needs to be taken out. It sucks in both games and should be replaced with a better move that's actually useful. D + 1 in MKD is a strange poke that can guarantee a free throw and I think even a free Icy Lift if I'm not mistaken. To be honest, I hated this move at first, because I thought it was shitty and unsafe and all that. However, when I learned about the uses of it and all and I tried testing things out, it came to be quite good so I think he should definitely keep this poke move. Maybe Dragon could do with a couple more mid attacks or something, but I don't know. Anyhoo, moving on.....
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Kori Blade: Ah yes, Kori Blade...his worst style in MKDA, but his best style in MKD. Now, although I still don't quite like the idea of Sub-Zero using a big, power based weapon like this, he should keep it for this game for gameplay purposes, because it actually proved its worthiness to me at the very least.

B + 2, D + 3, (1, B + 1), and D + 2 should all be kept as they were in MKD. The useless moves like 3, B + 3, 2, U + 1, D + 1, 4, and B + 4 should all be replaced with better moves. Imo, his D + 3 move should take the D + 1 spot for the command to make things easier and better. The only good thing to me about Kori Blade in MKDA were 4 and B + 4. I'd rather see those moves rather than the ones he had for 4 and B + 4 in MKD. I know Kori Blade isn't meant to be big on combos on its own, but I would like to see 1 or 2 more combos at least in it. But even so, Kori Blade is actually pretty good as it is for the most part. I would just like to see a bit of things tweaked here and there, that's all.

SPECIAL MOVES

Freeze: This is Sub-Zero's main move basically and apparently, despite it being the same as it was in MKDA, it's more useful (sorta) in MKD. I would honestly like to see the Freeze go back to the way it was in the earlier MKs since it was faster and would actually be a bit safer to use at closer ranges.

Ice Clone: This is a great move for Sub-Zero and creates for some mind games. With the aerial combat that's going to be in this game, I really hope that he can do the Ice Clone in the air. That'll be awesome if he'll be able to and he better be able to! *shakes fist* I think at close-range, when he does the Ice Clone, it should just have him slide back enough to keep him away from the opponent.

Cold Shoulder: This is a move liked by some, hated by others. I think it's a pretty cool move. It should definitely continue to hit mid. The damage is alright, I guess. Maybe just round it out to 10 damage or something and be able to hit crouching opponents. It should definitely go under high attacks, and I think it should be safe on block or at least safe enough.

Moves that he could have:

Diagonal Freeze: This could make for an anti-air move if he shoots it diagonally upward or be a defense move if he shoots it diagonally downward (aka his traditional Ground Freeze/Ice Blast...whichever name you go by for it) and it would of course hit low and have the same effects it's always had basically. Perhaps it should be unblockable as well.

Slide: His old Slide move from the old MKs. If Cold Shoulder were to go under high attacks and be safe, I don't think there'd be a need for this move. However, if Cold Shoulder were to stay as it were, maybe he should have this move again. I'm thinking it should either be like it was in the older MKs by being a quick, low attack that goes under highs and maybe mids and trips the opponent or it could launch the opponent into the air like in MKSM.

FATALITIES

I really love both of his MKD fatalities and I would like to see those return. I also liked his Deep Freeze in MK4. I just thought that was kind of cool the way they did it and it would be nice to see again. I can't really think of any ideas as to new fatalities for him, but I would like to see at least 1 new fatality for Sub-Zero.

OVERALL

There's a lot that can be done with Sub-Zero, and I just hope that if this is going to be his last game, they need to do a lot of justice with him.