Actually lame is picking a character that can't compete with Dairou or Bo because you are going to get your ass handed to you if you don't do so.

what I think is beat a person once means s***t you gotta keep playing and like that you know who owns who thats it...
thats my opinion

Ok, I'm not denying that I love picking Dairou or used to more often then now but on the current topic.
What gemini is saying is what I'm saying man, in this particular series I picked first most of the time, and I didn't pick dairou until the end which was a few times.
He always watched to see who I picked, I picked Kabal, he picked Kobra I beat his kobra, then I picked Kabal again later on he counted with Dairou. lol
I picked N/S he picked Kobra(a well known good counter for N/S)
I picked Dai, he'll pick Bo.The match up isn't what my beef is, it's the fact that I'm the one that HAS to pick first.In a tourney, that would change.
Just saying for the record, nobody else that I play you, killer, gerchap, stretch, anyone else doesn't wait that long to see who I pick.Everyone knows I'm not one of these asses that will go on ermac, sit there then pick dairou after 2 minutes.I'm not like that, I pick then that's it.
All I'm saying is that here and there I would like to pick second, is that asking for two much because people know how I play with Kabal or Dairou or something?Really...that just shows that although I can only use 4 guys, people are obviously cautious WHICH of the 4 I pick.

Yes that is lame, since counter picking is lame period.

u didnt get dai vs kabal till match 14,,, funny thats its ok when u do that shiity of a match up vs others.
u cannot complain about any matchups the first 7
ur n/s lost to darrius
ur kabal lost to tanya
ur ermac lost to kobra
ur n/s lost to kobra
ur kabal lost to jinko
those matchs were equal, u hav no complaint. u why cry about non counter picking, like i said next time u wont hav to worry, u are getting bo only. ill be seeing lots of dai .

I don't care about the some of the match ups, it's the fact that lets see here 14 matches, yeah about 10 of those I picked first at least.In a tourney, you wouldn't get away with that for the record.
A legit one that is, none of this online made up BS.
It's good though, you know why?Because I'm flattered that you are that cautious and feel you have to pick after I do.

ok, ill pick first every game,,,, bo, see u soon. talk talk talk, bottom line is u will vry now when i pull bo out, cause ur dai cant beat him.
out of 14 games i picked first a good 5.
first game i pciked first, well same time, i was taking kobra no matter what
i picked n/s first once
i picked bo 2 time sfirst before u even picked
than my counter picks u are crying about
u picked kabal, i counter picked with tanya
u picked n/s , i counter picked with darrius
u picked n/s , i counter picked with kobra
u picked dai, i counter pciked with n/s
funny part is u use 3 guys, u werent gonna use ermac... so when u say i counter picked, ur saying if i picked tanya first u would hav took dai? or when i pciked darrius, u were gonna pick kabal?? ur reason for complaining is wrong u would hav picked the guys u used vs me unless u were gonna use dai. and if u think dai vs tanya would be a fair match, than now u see why we wait, cause dai gets bo only. i didnt use bo vs anyone but ur dai. u lost and i proved i dont need bo to beat u,,, and now u can blah blah blah how i need bo to beat dai,,, guess what just about every high level player from ps2 and xbox will use bo or dai to counter dai. u just dont like the match up cause u no u will lose it 85% of the time.

Are you guys ever going to end this?
One of is going to have to be the bigger man and stop arguing over one series. Who's that going to be that person, I'll leave you guys to decide.
You win some, you lose some. And even after winning, you only do it to fight another day. - (One of my fav. quote, but I can't remember where I got it from).
Trax

LOL, you didn't pick the first 5 times man, I wish I would have recorded those matches.And you're totally misunderstanding me Red.
All I'm saying is to ROTATE the picking second, I never asked to pick second all the time and I wouldn't do that because I have the edge, the player that picks second ALL the time in Deception if he's good has the edge because of Dairou or Bo, even N/S also.Top three guys that dominant the game.
LOL, if you wish you can pick Bo all the time, I remember beating your Bo at least once perhaps twice with N/S, I'll just play nasty with him that's all since I know your style.Fight fire with fire, no noob unless I want to play mind games while turtling.
Dairou vs. Dairou you are obviously cautious of since you DON'T want to play me in free throws like you admitted, that's fine I can do that.Then it'll be a match of who can out do who in TS drops.

once again u bring up bo/dai.. i didnt pick bo till match 8... and bo only got used vs ur dai.... if u think picking dai vs tanya, kobra, jinko is fair... thna u are dumb.... and thats pretty much what u are saying, so if u think u are gonna match up games like that, thna fine , i will just use bo every game.
ur n/s won with that infin, that u think isnt one. u beat bo once with dai, and lost the rest. the more bo /dai matches there were, the fatser u were losing. u lost one rd in 14 secs.

This is like the stupidest argument ever.MKF,when you pick Dairou all matches should belong to you.No one can beat Dairou in a series.No one.He owns everyone;Bo, N/S, Dairrius,etc.The only way to counter Dairou is to be Dairou.So,I'm not sure why you're complaining about counter-picking because when you pick Dairou you should own all anyway.

this thread will be closed very soon.....

Did he pick Dariou every match? No
Did MKF make this topic? No
Is everyone as good a Dai player as you? No
Is MKF actually complaining, or just pointing things out? Pointing out seems more correct than complaining.
Just minor points for correction purposes.

lol dave, get ur ass on xbox man...i want you to face my noob-smoke and i want to see that dai.

so let me see, hes pointing out the fact that he wants to use dai vs low tiers to get easy wins, like he has done since 2004. well sorry not gonna happen. so mkf has 3 options
dai gets bo
no dai or bo at all
he gets bo every game
i was up 5-2 with no dai or bo
i won the next series 5-2 when bo and dai were used
mkf u say i need bo to beat dai??? what part dont u get, dai is not beatable by the other 22 guys... so if i need bo to beat dai,, who do u need to beat bo is the real question... and ur dai should hav lost to n.s but b1 didnt connect off the unbreakable for the win.

Wow, this thread is still going strong! How many games did you guys play again? About 14? I wonder what would have happened had you doubled that number. Awesome thread!
Trax

You seeing things?

Took the words right out of my mouth, thank you very much for someone understanding.Again, I didn't pick dairou every single match, BUT I also didn't pick second either every single match, point is Red is cautious who ever I pick all the time, example Dave I played Alex last night had a fucking awesome series, we both feel the same about counterpicking for the most part, in other words people who sit there for like 30 seconds or more moving the cursor around and deciding WHO to counter with when ever I pick someone that's not even dairou, again he'll counter with Kobra if I'm N/S, a well known N/S killer with turtling kali sticks, can you say crouch and poke all day long with fireballs *yawns* exactly.
Like I said, I don't necessarily care about the match ups, (even though sometimes they matter with counterpicking) it's the fact that when ever I play Red, he's the ONLY player who picks second against me MORE then anyone else does out of every single player on here, all I'm saying.
Can you say overly cautious?And Red, no I'm not complaining about he jinko vs. N/S matches or any of that, it's the concept here not the match ups per-se, unless it's a mid tier countered with a top tier or something ridiculous.

Don't mention it, I just can't stand when something is so wrongfully blown out of proportion.

Nah, actually no...
Kid

i used god teirs vs dai only, u used them 10 matches,,,,,,,if i take ash, jinko, n/s, scorp, darrius, etc u will cry counter pick vs kabal.... u uwanna use go tiers only, u cant complain. learn more guys.

Ok, calibur I feel better now lol.BTW, can't wait to play you in MK:A Man, I love your Hotaru, hey why doesn't anyone remember this guy? lol He was really good when he played, what ever..
Gemini, yep.Exactly.
Red, I just noticed something I missed, when did I ever say I love using dairou or always counterpick with Dairou against low tiers? never man lol so I'm puzzled as to where that came from.
For what it's worth, if I get the chance to pick second in general after say someone like Malone for example picks kira, I WON'T pick dairou UNLESS Malone want's me too.If he asks me to pick dairou MKF, I want to see how I can do, then he wants it, different story man.But to pick dairou or Bo to counter a low tier is weak, and I don't do that.
I'll pick Ermac or Kabal in that case, people Kira can beat since she's the worst in the game tier wise.

this is what i mean ur point is invalid, meaning
if i pick darrius, who u gonna pick, not kabal or ermac, u had n/s.. so dai??
i took tanya, u gonna take n/s??? or dai since kabal wasnt good enough
my point is since the matches up were not what u though was fair, u would hav picked dai. first or 2nd, u got the match up u would hav most likely picked.
so when i hav to pick first, u think im gonna pick my b team?? no u will get bo, dai, jinko, n/s
like i said u used god tiers 10 of the 14, i used them 5. u had the adv.
if i pick bo, only time u win will is when u take dai, and even than the win ratio will be way in my favor when bo is used.

First of all I've beaten you Tanya, the last series was 4-0 me when you played me on Omegga Red, then you quit.I beat you twice with Kabal that series, then we played recently and you beat my Kabal with Tanya so technically so far the score is 2-1 me my Kabal vs your Tanya since you only picked Tanya once against my Kabal.
Darrius if you forgot or not is very broken also with the gauntlets, only 60+% off the throws which is ridiculous and I have to waste my breakers on that shit so don't say N/S automatically has the edge, in the corner yes N/S has the edge, not in the corner it's a fair match up.Darrius is not a low tier.
And what you say about the only time I win is nonsense with Dairou only because A.this is the first time you ever gave me a serious challenge and beat me in a series, B. you counterpicked which automatically gives you and edge and C.You come on here all the time and admit it to me, killer B, gerchap and Gemini and everyone else that disagrees with you that you'll pick Bo or counterpick in general.You even admitted it.
Again, this game isn't UMK3 a much more balanced game compared to Deception.It's MK:D the worst MK game gameplay wise ever made thus far and hopefully the last.I'll still play it and love it because it's MK and I'm diehard to the T but seriously, that doesn't justify the fact that it's broken and two guys in this game can beat just about anyone which is why I REFUSE to ever pick Bo because I would have no challenge then.
Plus, I already use N/S and Dairou so no need to master another broken character that's just as bad.
BTW, red I've talked to some players on here and I won't mention names but you would be surprised that a decent amount feel that Dairou is not the number one tier and that either, Kobra, Bo or N/S are.
And for what it's worth, I feel personally that Jinko should be higher tier.This has been discussed before on here anyway though.

LOL how many lies do u tell a day??
especially when i post vids.. that was a trap, first day i ever used tanya. trust me shes comes a long way, as ur kabal found out, u didnt win a rd.
and the way it went was, u took kabal one game, dai, dai , n/s. AND THAN U CLICKED NOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
so 3 god tiers out of 4 vs lil ole tanya.