Whatever, I agree with IceBaby. I'm kinda tired of arguing because it's very clear that i'm not going to convince you or krazyiebone by arguing no matter how many points I bring up, and likewise on your side. So now I ask you, do you think Shao Kahn is better than Raiden. If you still cwant to continue the argument, I'll still be happy to though. I think that the only understanding will will get though is that Raiden, Shao Kahn, and Flash are the best characetsr i the game.

LOL @ most of the people trying to act like they know what the tiers are in this thread, when they probably don't even know how to play the game at a high level, so such list wouldn't pertain to them anyways. BrotherhoodofShadow and Bone are the ones who are right in this thread.

Well he was done awhile ago, he just wants to play against you. Did you add him so we can see the results TheFlash?

why would you convince them? you're saying moves are good with the flash that are garbage. You're telling the best flash player how to play flash which is insane.

Raiden flash and khan are the best ONLINE not the best in the game. Offline lantern is #1. They are still top tier but things shuffle around.

Are you the guy bone was talking about? And I'm trying to convince bone that the Flash is the best because this is a tier list disscusion, were supposed to argue and post our opinions about the rankings of the characters. Oh, another question: have you ever gone up against bone if your not the guy in his clan?

Just add me already...

Its true though . Tier list can't be proven truthful yet . Tier making tournaments are needed in order to see who is best of the best . As of right now , only Tom Brady's list seems to be most accurate and believable .

UPDATED TIER CLASS LIST ( Tier list by Tom Brady and class listing by me ) Enjoy !

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Top Tier:

Green Lantern
Shao Kahn
Raiden
Darkseid

Upper Tier:

Flash
Liu Kang
Kitana
Superman

Middle Tier:

Scorpion
DeathStroke
Sub-Zero
Captain Marvel
Jax
Kano

Low Tier:

Batman
Sonya
Baraka
Wonder Woman
Lex Luthor

Bottom Tier:

Shang Tsung
The Joker
Catwoman

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Top Tier:

Shao Kahn
Raiden
Flash
Green Lantern

Upper Tier:

Darkseid
Kitana
Captain Marvel
DeathStroke

Middle Tier:

Liu Kang
Scorpion
Superman
Shang Tsung
Sub-Zero
Kano

Low Tier:

Baraka
Jax
Wonder Woman
Batman
Lex Luthor

Bottom Tier:

Sonya
The Joker
Catwoman

No I'm not the guy bone is talking about but I'm somebody he would say knows his shit on this game.

anyway you totally missed what I said. I understand the concept of trying to convince somebody of where they belong in a tier list. This is done by discussing pro's and cons of a character. The problem that I pointed out is you are discussing cons as if they were pro's. using flash's teleport will get you killed. using flash's super uppercut will get you killed. using the teleport flurry will get you killed. You're talking about scrub level flash tactics that fail against high level players. The reason that b,f4 was the primary specail discussed is because it is by far the best and the only really viable special he has. His others are situational at best. Really only the teleport flurry has any use and thats to end the round with the pro version so you get a free combo to start the next round. I mean you're trying to talk about whats good with the flash and you haven't even mentioned his 50/50.

simply put you play the game on a lower level than we do. You don't grasp some things that are obvious to us. Play bone play me play reo play anybody in bmf or TKO and you'll learn something. well hopefully you will.

Another problem is that discussion of all tactics and hard numbers does not equate to actual skill.

Hmm, you got me. Didn't think I'd lose that one. I don't even have live, I just make my comments based on assumptions from what I've played on very hard, from what others have said and played, and from deducing what would happen in a certain situation. your right, I do play on a very low level considered to the high level Flash palyers, butI still don't think that just because I'm not good at the game doesn't prevent me from posting an intelligent statement and/or argument. Oh, and please don't flame me about not knowing what I'm talking about, or you suck if you don't have live, and you can't post stuff her, or anything else. I'm just guy trying to post his own opinion against a bunch of pro level people.

Flash the best? Dude doesn't even have a safe reliable move besides 3,1. EVERY OTHER move Flash would use is punishable offline such as 3, B3, BF4, DB3(Who would use this? Opponet gets free U2).

Shao Kahn, and Green Lantern would demolish Flash offline if they block him, these are just 2 examples. Flash is a very big guessing game. I'm not saying he's garbage but there ARE other characters that excel more than him in categories obviously.

Bone I did the statistic on Shao Kahn not Tom, lol.

Please don't over-rate/hype characters with biasm. Also it's a Statistic list that displays how well characters do in different categories and highlights what they excel in, it's no where near done yet and it won't be for a VERY LONG TIME.

lmao oh shit my bad, I remember Tom saying he wanted to do it, so I just assumed...

lol This thread is mad funny though... so many naive minds...

That was defiantly an error of mine, I said flash was #1, but i only based that off his speed and infinite. My fault. But seeing that new thing of Jagos, w/superman made me re-think that decision.

Nobody is flaming you for not having live. The way you presented things as reality when it wasn't based on competitive play is the issue. If you had phrased it more as a question then it would've have been an issue. Example I noticed you only really discussed his b,f4 special why weren't his other specials mentioned? And me bone or reo would've simply answered that they more or less suck. As reo pointed out d/b3 gives your opponent a free u2 juggle. Thats not to say tis utterly useless it can be used to avoid projectiles and in certain situations but its not a spammable move and its usefullness declines drastically the less lag there is.

Thanks for the advice. I tried it out, but the reason that I thought it was spamable was because on very hard, the AI still sucks.

New Tier List: Based off the stuff borft4, reo, and bone said. And the argument I lost. ( borft4 )

God Tier:
Raiden
Top Tier:
Shao Kahn
Flash
Green Lantern
Darksied
High Tier:
Kitana
Deathstroke
Scorpion
Liu Kang
Mid Tier:
Jax
Lex Luthor
Sub-Zero
Batman
Superman
Sonya
Captain Marvel
Shang Tsung
Kano
Joker
Baraka
Wonder woman
Catwoman
She still sucks, that's an argument I won't lose.

Well, I learned something, lost some arguments, got better at the game, put reo's thing i the situation, and uh... yeah.

Much better list but still some flaws. Deathstroke should be much higher because he has some abuseable high priority moves. in h2h b1,b2 is very abuseable string. In sword b1 can be repeated and its difficult to hit him between it. Better players will mix up b1 b3 and d1making it difficult to break or escape pressure when he's on top of you. hIs gun pro move does about 14% and can punish a lot of things from full screen.

Khan isn't really god tier. he's very good but not unbeatable.

Darkseid is top tier and above kitana. 11 can be spammed its hard to interupt even if you duck it. d,f4 is safe on block or whiff. dd4 is guaranteed off a lot of things. its near impossible to jump bb1. up close he has a safe 50/50 with b1 and b3 both leading to high damage easy juggles.

Jax is ahead of luthor because jax really plays like luthor but does everythign he does better. Only thing luthor has on jax is the air missle but jax doesn't need it.

few other things probably wrong with it but dont feel like going into more details.

Edited it, but I have a question: Who odes belong in the god tier spot? Or the number one spot.

id just go off the list reo linked to its accurate based on what we know now. #1 spot and god tier are not the same thing. God tier means a character is really unbeatable example would be cyber akuma in marvel vs sf console.

offline lantern is #1 and online khan is #1

I know this is gonna sound stupid, but what character is the most consistent? I mean like, if you took their offline and online rankings and averaged them what character would be the best?

There is no consistancy under lag...

I think this thread just died... still looking for an anwser to the question though.

Yeah this thread doesn't really get any action here, if you want to discuss the tier list really bad you can check out the one in the link in my sig.

Also to answer your question the most averaged one would be Shao Kahn, he's a joke online, and offline he's top 3 no doubt.