I'm nearly convinced that her combo challenge 4 is broken. I have done that one at least a dozen times, both in the middle of the arena and against the wall, with all 7 hits counting, and it never is deemed a success.

This will probably be the most accurate list you're going to see on MKDC for the characters:

http://www.mortalkombatunited.com/showthread.php?t=1080

It's still being worked on and isn't 100% complete yet by far.

Good Shit ^

I'd really have to disagree with Reo's list. Raiden over Flash? Flash as number 5? and Shao Kahn over Darkseid? That just doesn't seem right. Your kinda doing the same thing prima game guides did, not acounting for spammable moves and not accounting for all the chain combos some characters can do, only basing the combos off of the combo challenge. Flash has way more than one good special move, while you implied that only one was really good for punishing and online play.

Here is, in my opinon, a far more accurate Tier List:

God Tier:
The Flash
Green Lantern
Top Tier:
Kitana
Scorpion
Darksied Superman ( Infinite )
Raiden
Average Tier:
Lex Luthor ( so many mixed opinions about him so I might be wrong ) Batman
Liu Kang Captain Marvel
Jax
Sub-zero Deathstroke Shang Tsung ( Soul Steal )
Shao Kahn
Kano
Low Tier:
Baraka ( his ininite doesn't help him )
Wonder Women
Joker ( he's just popular )
Sonya ( see baraka)
You Suck If You Like Her Tier:
Catwoman
She's just horrible through and through.

If you disagree on any thing or think that I lack sufficent poof on any placement, feel free to argue, I would enjoy it.

Superman is supposed to be below Darkseid, just wanted to inform.

1.Kahn
2.Raiden
3.Flash
4.Green Lantern
5.Dark Seid

I haven't played it enough to say for sure but I think the game is pretty balanced. People talk about the flash and at first glance he seems unstoppable but in a game with rage mode and combo breakers a character based almost entirely on combos has it's fallbacks. His dash is full screen but there are a ton of characters with teleports.

Flash has the easiest infinite combo in the game.

As for Raiden being unstoppable in the hands of a master, that's just a load of BS. If you cancel out bosses,breakers,infinites, and the Flash then he's the best. But you can't. Which is why I think The Flash is the unstoppable in the hands of master, not Raiden.

Welcome. As stated by Icebaby, please use the Edit button beneath your avatar. It is on every post you make, right beneath your US flag.

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Also, reading the faQ will save you alot of grief going forward. So please take the advise.

Uumm...yea that's it.

Later.

Im the best raiden online, I want to see your flash go up against him...


Let's see, Flash has BF4, very unsafe move when he goes up against raiden, BF4 covers the whole screen and is generaly the fastest special in the game, thats a plus obviously, on the down side, if raiden blocks it, FF4 also covers the whole screen, he pushes you back down the wall for a 50/50 game, his teleport is devestating, not to mention raiden is the best character under rage, and he's the best character against rage.

Shao Kahn - has breaker into FF4*U2 pro move, free everytime your opponent tries to get you into a combo situation, lets not forget flash doesnt have any projectile's to keep kahn away, he has to combo... thats his game, so basically you have to play a defensive game against falsh, and raiden and kahn are really good at it, also we cant forget online kahn's FF4 is 100% safe.


These have nothing to do with the tier list, but they are character statistic's compiled by the best at this game, hope it helps.




Kahn statistic's, written by Tom Brady

Punishing / Whiff Punishing: 3 / 3
FF4 is one of the best punishers in the game, it's extremely hard to punish on reaction(100% safe for online), unbreakable, very easy buffering out of block, has an insane 2/3 of the screen reach, has a pro version of it for 18% damage.

Anti-Aerial Game: 3 / 3
BF4 is very easy to buffer from block and has the most priority against opponets in the air. FF4 is very nice for anti-air as well. DB3 is good for some spacing on people jumping above you.

Damage: 3 / 4
Shao Kahn's damage is good. 43% from his B2/U2, 47% from a B4, 50% from landing BF2.

(50/50) Offense: 4.5 / 5
Shao Kahn's offense is very lethal, one of the safest and dangerous characters up close. B3 starts up his 50/50 game, does 5% on hit, is a low and leaves advantage on hit. 4 is a mid, does 7% on hit, starts up his 50/50 game, leaves advantage on hit, safe, good range. B2 is a mid pop-up, safe on block. B4 is one of the fastest and safest high pop-ups in the game. 3,4 is are both mids and is 100% safe on block.

Miscellaneous 5 / 5
There is nothing worse than being up against a Shao Kahn with a breaker in his disposal. Breaker grants unavoidable guranteed 18% from anywhere on the map, first part is unbreakable. Breaker near wall also gurantees 40%+ combos near walls, one of the most broken elements in the game. BB1 is a safe and spammable projectile. DB3 reflects some projectiles. Shao Kahn rarely needs Rage Mode but when he does use it, he is very dangerous up close due to his series of unblockable 3,1,1's.

Final Rating: 18.5 / 20



Flash statistic's, written by Reo

Punishing / Whiff Punishing: 3 / 3
BF4 is the best punisher in the game by far, it comes out instantly and has an insane full screen reach. Can be buffered out of block easily and leads to a free combo.

Anti-Aerial Game: 3 / 3
Once again, BF4 takes the cake. Jumping against a good Flash is a risk because he can dish out a BF4 instantly and catch you in the air allowing for a free juggle.

Damage: 3 / 4
Flash has very good damage. He can reach over 36% from a low and 48% from a mid.

50/50 Offense: 4 / 5
Flash is a big guessing game, it's either block low or high. B3 is punishable on crouch block. Only safe reliable move Flash has is 3,1. Although he doesn't have many safe moves at all, his rewards and ranged 50/50s are good and a bitch to deal with.

Miscellaneous 4 / 5
Flash has his glitch grab which freezes the opponet and grants a free combo of choice on the start of the next round if done correctly in the previous round. Flash's basic Rage Mode mix-up is either run up and 3,BF4 or if they jump; BF4.

Overall Ranking: 17 / 20

Online Changes

Pros:
+B3 becomes 99% safe.
+BF4 sometimes glitches on block and goes through the opponet making it safe.
+BF4 collision resets online instead of counting as a whole combo.

Cons:
-BF4 can't punish moves that it would punish offline everytime, example: Shao Kahn's FF4. Don't tell me play on a good connection because the server by default makes Shao Kahn's FF4 100% safe, if I were to connect two 360's in my room and test it online, same shit.
-DB1*1+2 glitch grab timing gets fucked up online and usually doesn't work.
-BF4 block disable is cut in half when they're spinning.
-His best combo online fucking freezes Flash and he runs in one spot and your opponet gets a free combo.. GAY. *3,BF4, 2,2,1*DB4, 4,BF2(INSERT FREEZE HERE).
-Pro moves off of DB4*2*2 / 2,2,1,DB4*2*2 /DB2*2*2 whiff online.


Raiden statistic's, written by, your's truly, KrayzieBone

Punishing / Whiff Punishing: 3 / 3
A couple of things must be said under this category, Raiden is probably the most dangerous character in the game when it comes to punishing, FF4 becomes very stressfull under any whiff circumstance, you basically have to play a defensive game against him, to the point were it changes the way the game is played, any arena becomes raidens domain, his 6 frame teleport can punish even the most safe whiffs in the game, including a missed BF4 by flash.

you can execute his 6 frame teleport on any whiff or use his FF4 to punish, remember FF4 pushes your opponent to the wall, causing a 50/50 situation. With a safe distance you can charge up a DB2 and/or wait for the jump for an Anti-Aerial Game.

If a 6 frame teleport is executed on whiff, on most occasions depending on your opponents -Frame's, you can combo into a FF2 that leads to his pro-move and possibly 50% damage.

Anti-Aerial Game: 3 / 3
Just as you thought jumping away would do the trick, you will find raiden to be a very versatile character in the air, UF4/3*FF4 will punish you every chance he gets for an easy 14% damage, to add to this atrocity just like a regular FF4, it pushes you down all the way to the wall for an easy 50/50 attempt with vicinity charge, that will ultimately lead to another 15% taken away from your opponent.

Vicinity blast itself is Anti-Aerial from almost anywere near raiden, if you jump straight at him, he can execute an easy 7% or 17% easy pro move, the most dangerous mid special in the game, it hits you while you jump duck or simply whiff a move.

Damage: 3 / 4
Beside's all the other factors that make raiden a pain in the ass, he has amazing damage, easy mid combo's that lead into pro-move's for 44% damage, easy high combo's that lead to 50% damage or easy 14 and 17% attacks, executed for missed attacks.

50/50 Offense: 5 / 5
Just the simple fact that raiden is so hard to deal with, 50/50's become even more-so stressfull, vicinity blast can come out of nowere, sometimes you get confused, you dont know if you should jump away, block or punish, if you jump away or try to punish it, the raiden user can let go of a charge and blow you away, if you block long enough you can be blown away with an unblockable regardless, raiden can charge this from anywere on the screen and still manage to be safe, to add to it, he can easily uncharge the special with a simple tap of DF, you can continue with a 6 frame teleport and a possible FF4 on your opponents whiff, or continue another charge.

corner 50/50's with vicinity blast are the most annoying, you cant do anything besides block, but if you do it long enough you can be blown away regardless, watch for his distance, at close range you can cancel out his attak on hit.

jumping away from a simple B3 can lead to 17% damage of UF4/3*FF4, 17% with vicinity pro-move and up to 50% damage on his FF2 pro-move combo's.

42 is not jumpable when B3 is executed, this is yet another stressfull 50/50 game for raiden.

I honestly dont think there is a character in the game that controls the entire arena like raiden does.

Miscellaneous 5 / 5
Online raiden's pro-move gets an extra hit off FF2, easier special's off combo's and a safer teleport, there is a glitch in his charge sometimes that causes him to crouch before he releases a charged fireball, it makes it a bit unsafer but not enough to stop him. FF4 is a really stressfull move, hard to deal with at all times, as much as flash makes you block, raiden does the same, but due to his 6 frame teleport... once again, very safe character... and lets not forget about his FF4 Flying angry raged up god of thunder, lol

Raiden controls the entire match when he is on rage, same goes for his opponent on rage, he can easily escape any character on rage by simply executing his 6 frame teleport and FF4 in the air.

on rage, raiden becomes the most broken thing in MK HISTORY ! LOL !

Overall Ranking: 19 / 20

Online Changes

Pros:
+ Safe DB2 online.
+ FF2 does 17% more damage because it glitches and teleports Raiden after the bolt connects, this allows for higher damaging juggles online.
+ Higher damaging juggles.
+ Teleport becomes like 4 frames online.
+ FF4 on block glitches and sometimes becomes safe.

Cons:
-Nothing.



@ The Flash, if you are interested in tier list discussion's and high level play, I suggest you click on the link on my name, other than that, I do my best and supply this website with stuff from time to time.

Look at the first paragraph you typed in that post. " Let's see, flash has bf4..."
And the rest of the paragraph was just about that one move. Flash as a lot more than around the world. You said if Raiden blocks it than he uses ff4 than flash is pushed back to the wall and it becomes a 50/50 game. Two thing that i have to say about that. 1: What if Raiden doesn't block it? What if it's actually a good Flash player who doesn't think of bf4 as his only move, and he uses his other great spam moves ( like teleport flurry ) and catches Raiden off guard with bf4. Than he's at the Flashs's mercy. The Flash could pull of an infinite, a semi-infinite, a 40% damage combo, or simply retreat and mock the spinning, helpless Raiden. 2: What if Raiden blocks it, but the Flash uss fast escape to avoid ff4? Then what? Flurry? Teleport Flurry after that?Bf4 again? There's a lot more to Flash than around the world. And I doubt your the best Raiden player online. Oh, and even though flash doesn't have a projectile, he can still hit people a full screen away using other methods besides bf4 i.e teleport flurry.

Flash cant do anything after a blocked BF4, therefore FF4 punishes him from full screen away, lmao @ you saying he can teleport after that... Flash's teleport can be punished with U2, and on good connections a simple uppercut.

as for a good flash... lol the best flash online is in my clan, we have plenty Raiden vs Flash battles... you my man, are a naive mind


[EDIT] I can also teleport, raiden has a devestating 6 frame teleport, after a missed BF4 I can do his teleport for a 49% combo...

Yeah, but was it ever mentioned as to what happens after a blocked superman? Around the world flies out, so that goes both ways. Raiden is way up there as is Flash. Both have punishing moves although I dare say Flash has an easier one.

There we go, you're finally refrencing a different move. Thanks for the comment, by the way, about my naive mind. Back to the argument, claiming that your the best Raiden player and then saying that the best Flash player is in your clan. If he was the best, than, why do you still only look at the Flash as a character with one move? Your saying if the Flash used bf4 and a Raiden blocked it it would be all over for the flash because of the 6-frame teleport, and his superman move.Once again, bf4 is not the Flash's only good move; an I highly doubt a good Flash player would randomly open up with bf4 and have Raiden block it, and I also highly doubt that a good Flash player would be killed because of a u2 superman combo.What if the flash opens up with super uppercut after fast escape and you are not in a position to block? And the if he does around the world. Than what? Infinite, semi-infinite? Or a large special move combo chain?That's why the Flash is the best. Everyone of his special moves are fast, the teleport ones are difficult to block due to lack of knowledge of weather they're going to use the regular versions or not, and they are are chainable and able to start a large combo or semi-infinite. Plus, can't you use repeated flurries to fake out the opponet as to if your going to use bf4 or not? Your assuming that the Flash player will always start out with bf4 and that you will always block it. Both of those assumptions are false.

What kind of nerds argue over a character?

We all know Deathstroke is the best ; )

Uh, apperantly you. But deathstroke does look the most bad a.

That's true, and I don't even like him that much. I was going to say Kano, but no, Deathstroke looks just purely mean.

Deathstroke is the Most-Badass ; )

1.Kahn
2.Raiden
3.Flash
4.Green Lantern
5.Dark Seid

^ He is, thats why I have him as third. Also, welcome to MKU, you will soon realize how naive this guy arguing with me is its kind of funny



lmao, you dont know anything.... I told you how to stop Flash's most commonly used special...

B3 is his best move online by default, offline he gets punished everytime, but due to the online differences, its safe...

other than that, how about you add my gamer-tag, lose, and apologize later you can say "Sorry Bone, I was wrong, you sure taught me something today".


its BMF_KRAYZIE_BONE on PSN and BMF KrayzieBone on 360.


@ Blud - were have you been hiding blud ! long time no see !

My god ...

Most of you don't really know how to design a tier list right , and to those who did do it right to where there is around 3 ways of making it , great job and tell the others to learn from it . PS : Thanks BrotherHoodOfShadow for that link . *Bookmarked* .

Anyways I kinda arrange the tier list of the characters to classes from Tom Brady's tier list . Enjoy ! ( This tier list I heard is from his offline matches with other good people . )

Top Tier:

Flash
Green Lantern
Superman
Darkseid

Upper Tier:

Raiden
Liu Kang
Shao kahn
DeathStroke

Middle Tier:

Batman
Scorpion
Kitana
Sub-Zero
Shang Tsung
Captain Marvel

Low Tier:

Baraka
Jax
Sonya
Kano
Lex Luthor

Bottom Tier:

Catwoman
The Joker
Wonder Woman

wow welcome to 1923

Yes, Krayziebone, you taught me how to block Flash's strongest special move. But what I'm saying is that your assuming that you will always be prepaired to block it, and that the Flash is terrible without it. Numer 1: You won't always be prepaired to block it. What if, your hit by one because one of his teleport uppercuts connects and are currently falling toward the ground? Then he could hit you with it. Can you block and teleport in mid-air when your airbone from being uppercuted? I don't think so. And i'm pretty sure that if you use superman to try to get over the Flash, that then you will be able to hit him with bf4 while he's nearly done with it, and that it'll work. Than your spinning in midair and at the Flash's mercy. Infinite, semi-infinite, huge combo, he then controls the match. and the Flash is not terrible without it. I've seen Flash Players whup other people's buts by by spamming his teleport moves, and when a Raiden teleports near them to initiate a combo they use teleport flurry to escape and rack up dmage. If he teleports again, they use fast escape so he supermans midair,. and then your free to use bf4. Than your once again at the Flash's mercy. And about the LIVE challenge, I don't play against people who say their the best of anything, because chances are your not, and you actually suck. Show people proof before claiming number one out of anything on live. An by the way, you told me how to block ONE of the Flash's specials. Flash has 5 good, quick, spammable, chainable moves left. And they can all set up an airborne bf4. and, how am I being naive?

lol ^ im done with you, just play me already, you naive fool...

He really didn't. He talked a lot and said a lot of things that were flat out wrong. His whole basis of a tier list is flawed. He seemed to think you base a tier list on your own experience but you can't really do that or you come up with lists like that.

I personally have problems with kano but its more from lack of play against kano than it is kano being a high tier character. When i make a list I base it on what a character has and their potential not just whave I've personally experienced.





Why would a tier list look at combo challenge? That makes no sense. Why wouldn't a tier list take into account "spammable" moves?

Flash has more than one good special move? What are they? d/b1 leave you open d/b 2 leaves you open, d/b3 leaves you open, d/b4 leaves you open, b,f1 is so so usually doesn't exactly leave you open. b,f4 is his best special move by far. d/b 3 has uses in some situations but as far as teleports go it isn't that good. If its done when the opponent is standing/ducking then its a free combo for your opponent.



your list is just beyond bad. Shao khan below scorpion superman and kitana? Including infinites into the equation. Even with infinites superman has few viable setups so that woudl push him lower than khan.



well unless you're playing a different game than I am you can'd fast escape if your opponent blocks a b,f4. certainly not fast enough to avoid ff4 from raiden.

If its a flash who likes to spam teleport flurry then he'll get combo'd or uppercutted.



Before I quit playing him I was considered top 3 flash's behind reo and possibly dc hustle. I'm kinda lame these days cuz I rarely play him but I still know how he's played and the things you are talking about doing with him are just laughable at best. Why are you doing his superuppercut? do you like getting hit and/or juggled? Why are you spamming his moves? do you like losing? Flash's best special is b,f4 its used as a punisher its not normally effective to throw it out randomly unless you're playing somebody who sucks or somebody who is so good they think you'd be an idiot to toss it out like that. His teleport opens him up to a free combo or uppercut every single time he does it. Youc an't spam it at all. Teleport flurry has one use and that is to end a round with the pro version allowing a free combo to start the round. You still need to set it up and its only likely to hit if you do it in a combo otherwise you're just asking to get punished.

Flash is a top tier character but online he loses to raiden and he loses to khan BADLY. Khan is one of the ugliest matchups for flash. Khan is one of the ugliest matchups for almost everybody on the game but its particularly bad for flash. Flash's game is to get close to you and thats not a good idea against khan with his breaker combos and broken 50/50 game.