Oay so there's a guy named "Monster". Who were the others?

DrDogg I have to agree with you that if these fightable characters are not eventually selectable but have full in depth models then they have gotten lazy. But these may well be the Supers that could be unlocked in the final release somehow. Who knows. I sure hope so.

KenshiMaster16, DrDogg said that the others were Jax, Shang Tsung, Quan Chi and 1 more that I can't remember.
This 'Monster' guy sounds just like I expected a super unlockable to be like. DrDogg, can you remember what his styles were? Were the same as Scorpion's?

Read the first post I made. Over, again.
It was said that there were none. He has a build closer to the end of the game, and at that point nothing can really be added. Hence, no super unlockables. That's my proof. If you have a build of a 99% done game, there isn't much more you can do but go back and cut out bugs and glitches, and fix some errors. It's a week or two before MK D comes out. How the Hell can you pull secret characters out of your ass? We have some! We have 12! The 24+ is counting Puzzle Combat as well. You have to unlock 6 for those. It makes 30 characters total. Think about it. We have an unlockable Sub Boss. Just because they're on the selection screen, doesn't mean they're not Super Unlockable. We've got all we got. That's it! Nothing more! I'm not picking a fight with anyone, Widomaker, act your age, 33, because you're acting less then mine, at 18. You're trying to get things just to "rub it in my face", when you could be just giving an opinion, and meanwhile, you may not be trying to, but you are bringing a fight up with me. I already apologized for my source who was lying. Get over yourself and go watch something else.
My Proof is right here. It's all in this thread. If you are all so sure, then why is it still being speculated?! Someone here played an Almost complete build of the game! He was only supposed to play Konquest but he went beyond that. He stated there were no more then the 24 on the select screen.
By the way, DRDogg, to select the alternate Outfit, press start on the characrer. MkDE stated that earlier, when he went to the GS Live thing.
I apologize fully to anyone I've offended.

DrDogg Wrote: EDIT: The only people who have played the same version of the game I played are the magazine reviewers. As I said, this version is dated early Sept, so it wasn't available before that. E3 build was what... 60%? Sure my build is not finished, but beyond bug fixes, and a few tweeks here and there, you don't have TIME to add some of the things you guys are talking about. About the marketing director, I'm not on here to brag about who has been contacted at Midway, etc etc. It was not necessary to point out exactly who was contacted until I finally did. If someone doesn't believe, I have no problems with that. In about two weeks there will be no doubt in anyones mind to the things I've said. I will be playing Konquest again this weekend (maybe tonight). I will give it a good effort to play through as many of the remaining side missions as possible to attempt to put this issue to rest (at least until the game is out). As for characters jumping out at you... that hasn't happened AT ALL in Konquest. The closest thing is that certain characters don't show up, or you can't access until after you beat Konquest mode. Dark Raiden appears in Outworld, you gain access to the White Lotus section of Earthrealm where you can train with Liu Kang's spirit, etc. But I've fought just about all of the playable characters in Deception, and only Raiden (and I think one other if I recall correctly), was given to me after I fought them. I can already tell you... unless you use a strat guide of some sort, it will take you A LONG time to find everything. This is because a good number of things only appear for a limited time. So if you're not in the exact location at the exact time, you won't see it. It's very annoying, and something I personally don't think Midway should've done. You can't expect people to ignore the other elements of the game and just play through Konquest for hours on end until everything is unlocked. Because that's exactly what you'll have to do. Unless you know exactly where to look, I can't see too many people finding some of this stuff beyond sheer luck. Plus... as I've said in the past, once you do find everything, it will be pointless to go back to Konquest because you'd be so sick of scouring the place. Even if all you have to do is complete all of the side missions... that's still no easy task. In fact, there's one mission early on in Earthrealm that if you don't complete it before moving on, you can't complete it. So you're telling me if anyone misses this (which I did the first time), that's it? They just have to restart Konquest and do everything all over again to get the secrets? That doesn't make for a quality gaming experience IMO.

As I stated in both of my earlier posts, thank you for the information that you have provided as I find it most useful. I'm glad you gave us a warning about once you've missed something, thats it you've missed it and to get it you have to start over again. That is not good planning on the developers end. Keep up the good work!

Wow, ninja_arts is still fighting with people. Ya'll need to deal with the fact that the guy admitted he probably and did miss stuff. He didn't find everything. So get over yourselves until you learn otherwise that he found EVERYTHING there is to find. And besides, we already might be onto something with these fightable characters that aren't on the select screen.

I'm only still fighting because Widomaker seems to think it's his job to watch over me like he's my father. I take that shit to heart.
Anyhow, I understand Kenshimaster. I thank Drdogg for any info he's provided as it's alot more than I'd have expected.

This monster guy sounds interesting. LOL I think there is a secret behind them. I mean, there are TONS of secrets right. Maybe if you fight them a second time or something.....hmmmm....makes you wonder.

Sounds like a Moloch type character.

I hope not. LOL I hope he's somewhat original. Especially if you can unlock him somehow, which I think SHOULD be the case. I think we should stay tuned and see if he finds anything!! (Prays, pulls out Holy Bible)

We have to wait a couple weeks to find out more.
The game will be in stores....
We have to wait the review of other magazines/online press to see what can they tell us.
As stated in this thread DrDoog was only answer questions and he didn't had to do that. I personally asked him a few questions and one of them was about super characters.
I never saw a game be so controverse even before it's release. Chill out people.

Even if he isn't a Super Unlockable (which I doubt), just 2 little words will allow you to play as him anyway: Action Replay.

Dude, the game DrDogg played was UNFINISHED.
I doubt the version he played was 99% finished - no matter that he played it a few 3 or 4 weeks before it's release.
Boon and his camp ARE supplying people/places with UNIFINISHED versions of the game, until it's final release.
Features of an UNFINISHED game can be kept LOCKED specifically for the final product, (duh), hench the word 'unfnished'.

There are super unlockables characters! That's my opinion

Well....it could always be that they aren't playable. (i.e. Reptile in MK1)

ninja_arts Wrote: Read the first post I made. Over, again. It was said that there were none. font>

Aye, that is what was said, but you can't take one statement from one person you have never met and deem it true, or go as far to say that it is undeniable proof.
(ex... Otherwise, everything we have ever heard is true. I grew up a Christian.. in that religion it is said that God is the only God. If that is truth, because it was said, then how can the Tao, Buddha, Thor, or even Ra be true. The ideals that these exist and have been said to exist, under your reasoning would make them true also, but that is where we run into problems, because of the conflicting statement that God is the only god from Christianity.)
I have heard in 2 interviews, one via video and the other published that there will be 24 on the select screen and that it will expand as more are unlocked. So, now.. just as in my religion example above we have two conflicting stories. Which is true?? That is for people to reason and decide on their own. Because you believe a. does not make it true, nor does it make it false.. it makes it your belief.

ninja_arts Wrote: He has a build closer to the end of the game, and at that point nothing can really be added. Hence, no super unlockables. That's my proof. font>

Is it not possible for them to have a build that has all of the secrets and xtras in it that were purposefully not put in that build? Yes, it is possible. Is it possible that he did not do everything in the game? Yes, it is possible. So, that statement is not true either, it is still just your opinion based on the inferences you have made regarding what you have read.
I am a programmer, and if I were writing code for something... I could easily take blocks of code out and save them somewhere else. I could then proceed to build and compile that version minus the material that I ommitted from the program. I could send that out as an almost complete build, then add all the stuff that I took out from that build back into the program for the final build. Assuming the completed version worked before I took out those blocks of code, it would take a matter of minutes to put the code back into the program.

ninja_arts Wrote: If you have a build of a 99% done game, there isn't much more you can do but go back and cut out bugs and glitches, and fix some errors. It's a week or two before MK D comes out. font>

Not true. There is more you can do besides bugs and glitches. If you already have the final build and ommitted blocks of code from an almost complete build, you could easily add that code in a few minutes, and still have time to hammer out the bugs and glitches.

ninja_arts Wrote: How the Hell can you pull secret characters out of your ass? font>

Well, you wouldn't have to pull them out of your ass if they were already completed, and either, in the game and not found or saved somewhere else outside of the aforementioned build.

ninja_arts Wrote: We've got all we got. That's it! Nothing more! font>

I still fail to see the proof, only assumptions.

ninja_arts Wrote: I'm not picking a fight with anyone, Widomaker, act your age, 33, because you're acting less then mine, at 18. font>

If you are not picking a fight than why do you refer to him as acting childish? That is not a very nice thing to say in my opinion.

ninja_arts Wrote: My Proof is right here. It's all in this thread. If you are all so sure, then why is it still being speculated?! Someone here played an Almost complete build of the game! He was only supposed to play Konquest but he went beyond that. He stated there were no more then the 24 on the select screen. font>

I still see no proof. It is still being speculated because there is still a possibility of secrets. Did he beat the game with every character in kombat? Did he unlock all of the krypt? Did he completely do everything in konquest? When he fought those in Konquest did he beat them flawlessly with a fatality as the finisher? Did he beat them with a single button or without using block? If he saw everything to the game that there was to see, why were some of the characters not found in konquest? Wasn't ever char in every MK supposed to make an appearance? And Finally, even if there were no secrets in that build, it is possible that they could be in the final version.
Personally, I don't know. I cannot claim anything as fact, until it has been proven. I do believe that the characters Dr fought in conquest can be unlocked somehow though.
PS I'm not trying to ride your ass or start a war with you. I'm just trying to show you that you can't claim what you are trying to claim as FACT, and that we are still entitled to our opinions, regardless, of what yours may be.

ninja_arts~widomaker, has been appointed to be ur daddy!! some 1 has to keep u in control! im glad its him.
I'm only still fighting because Widomaker seems to think it's his job to watch over me like he's my father. I take that shit to heart.
SleepWalKer~ good post man!!!!

Skaven: Honestly, if you really want to learn about how fighting games work and all of mechanics and such that makes a good fighting game, just pm me with your nickname or whatever of whatever messenger you use and we can go over it if you'd like.
If anyone else ever feels that they need some clarification or just a basic walkthrough of a fighting game and basically all the mechanics that make up good fighting games, just ask, I don't mind at all.

Someone tell me if DrDogg has already told you. Are the second batch of fighters all unlocked in the krypt? (Liu Kang, Hotaru, Kira, Jade, ext...)

KenshiMaster16 Wrote: Someone tell me if DrDogg has already told you. Are the second batch of fighters all unlocked in the krypt? (Liu Kang, Hotaru, Kira, Jade, ext...)

You get keys in Konquest that open the coffin in the Krypt.

Okay. Thats what I thought. So if you start with 12, and unlock the other 12 in the Krypt, this wording from Boon is whats getting to me.
~Taken from "Mortal Kombat: Deception Video Tour with Ed Boon (from Gamespot)~
4:34~ "Additionally, the time and date play a critical role in the discovery of secrets in Konquest. Certain events will only happen at specific times and locations. If you are lucky enough to be in the area, you can unlock secrets that nobody else has discovered. For example, let's say your standing in the middle of a forest at a certain time, when some character jumps out from behind a tree and challenges you to Mortal Kombat. Defeating that character might reward you with koins, a key, or maybe even unlock a character or a background. That particular character might only be available at 4am in the forest."
5:14~ "The possibilities are endless for when it comes to the ammount that can be hidden throughout six realms of Konquest."
And plus, that video is not old, it is fairly somewhat new compared to everything else they got on there that gives out information and not just fighting.

You're logic is good, only except that the keys only appear at certain times. Which fits what you just presented.

I know, but you know how Boon is. He never stated keys that unlock characters....he stated them seperately. I knew you'd say that but that is why I still posted it. Something about this is all fishy. I really think there are. I just think he did a hell of a lot to hide them. I mean, there are SUPER secrets afterall. It's not like they will just stick him out in the open with a big sign over his head saying "HERE I AM!! UNLOCK ME! UNLOCK ME!" LOL

You're reading too much into what he is saying. There may or may not be the characters, BUT that statement most likely meant that the keys or koins will unlock a character/stage. He's not the president =P he doesn't have his things scripted out, just probably pulled them out of his head and strung the sentence together.

I am a programmer, and if I were writing code for something... I could easily take blocks of code out and save them somewhere else. I could then proceed to build and compile that version minus the material that I ommitted from the program. I could send that out as an almost complete build, then add all the stuff that I took out from that build back into the program for the final build. Assuming the completed version worked before I took out those blocks of code, it would take a matter of minutes to put the code back into the program.

Thanks for making my point much clearer.
Almost finished versions of games are just that; almost finished games.
Certain features and options can easily be blocked on that almost finished version, and left specifically for the final version of the game.
Doesn't take a scientist to understand that.