For how long this game has been in the making and how long ago Boon said there would be super secret characters and for it to not have those secrets is either a lie or total neglect.
I still strongly believe that there are more than 24 fighters available (to fight with/as) in Deception!

HDTran Wrote: Widow, so you think that every mag is gonna review any future MK favorably or any Midway game altogether if the Midway marketing team lies to the reviewers and thus causes the reviewing mags to get hatemail/shit/loss of credibility/etc.? LOL.

I can see that BUT on the flip side, being a magazine that is able to have the inside info on a MAJOR video game SELLS issues for them. So they attempt to bash the game. Well then Boon and Co. won't give them any info, demo disk or anything and give it all to others. Boom, their mag does not sell and the others do. You have to agree it works both ways and if you have a multi million dollar title on your hands, it would appear that MKD team has the ball in their court and they can call the shots.

"Technically" there are 36 characters in the game. When you include Puzzle. Plus, 40 when you include the 4 characters you fight against, but (as far as we know), can't fight as.
Also, you have to take into account that the game is online. Making a fighting game work "well" online is not an easy task. Look at how many times DOA Ultimate has been delayed. All of that was mainly to get the online portion running as smooth as possible. I'm sure that was by far the hardest and longest aspect of the development cycle.

Dr,
were you able to fight against Kitana at any time ?
How did Jax Shang and Quan compare to fighting other characters we know are not going to make it in ?

DrDogg Wrote: 1. Did he finish the game??? I have gone through Konquest once, and done a lot of stuff after you complete Konquest. Have I gotten everything there is to get? Nope. 2. Does he have the final build??? The build I played was over 90% complete. There are only so many changes you can make at that point in development. 3. Did Boon tell him there are no supers??? No. Because Boon was too busy finishing everything up to talk to media. The director of Marketing at Midway is where the info came from and I would think he'd know what to tell someone reviewing the game for a magazine. If he doesn't know, he would say so. You don't lie to the press. They help fuel sales of your games. 4. Did he contact Midway himself??? I didn't have to. I was right there when my friend called. mastermalone... I'm sorry, but you're clueless as to how this stuff works. There's a significant difference between the E3 build and the build I'm playing now. Yes, it's still only a build, but it's over 90% and dated early September. There's only so much you can do to the game between early September and the time it goes gold (probably within the next week). I have a stack of preview builds sitting right next to me. Preview builds are just that, previews of games. Review builds (which is what I played of MKD, what Game Informer based their review on, etc.), are near final and meant to be reviewed. That means that everything will be in the game, and whatever is missing the publisher will tell you about. Sure, my build could be missing stuff, but whole characters? I highly doubt that. To Everyone else... You can't unlock Raiden or Liu Kang until after you complete Konquest mode. In addition, there are a good deal of things that are time-specific. Could I have missed 3 super unlockables... sure. But that's why Midway was asked if there are more characters. The janitor wasn't asked. Someone who knows nothing of MK... wasn't asked. We asked the person who would know best outside of the development team. The people who are in charge of hyping the game. You can't hype a game by lying to the people reviewing your product.

Dr. Dogg, my post was definitely not an attack on you as flaming is beneath my character. For you to say that I am clueless leads me to believe that you have developed a small bit of anger towards my post. Anger leads to hate, and hate leads to the dark side . Just kidding !!!.
Anyway its safe to say that I am not clueless being that I am 30 years old and quite capable of getting clues when I need them. I'm probably a bit older than you are as well and I've been around the gaming community for some time now so I've picked up a few clues here and there.
I was only stating that possibly the build you played may not have had access to certain aspects of the game. I could realy care less if there are any additional characters or not. Rememer that I appreciated the information that you have provided thus far in my previous post, I also stated that it was not my intention to discredit anything you posted. I was only stating that none of us will know, including yourself if there are any additional secrets in the game until the production copy hits retail and we have completed it 100%.
I won't be surprised if there are a few extras we don't know about, especially after what Boon told me at E3. He stated that a few of the MK:DA characters could be unlocked for play but would not have any story or endings. Before indicating that anyone is cluless you should be certain that they are infact clueless. I have never stated that you didn't know what you were talking about at all. You have a clue as do I, yours is from your build of the game, and mine comes from Ed Boon. So please respect me as I have respected you. About the differences between the E3 build and your copy, yes of course there is a big difference.
Only some one with the IQ of a carrot would not think that there would be a differnce between them. My Resident Evil analogy was basically stating the same thing that you said, that there will be differences. If you happen to obtain more information regarding anything else of interest about this game, please post it for us. Once again I thank you for any information that you can provide.
Take care.

LMAO trust me I don't dillude myself into thinking I know how this works as if I'm some super industry nerd.
You may be a nerd and all into this crap with your assumptions but you obviously don't know shit either.

DrDogg Wrote: blueoakleyz... OMG, please don't act like you know how this works, you just make yourself look stupid. The 90% build I played was dated early September. The game HAS to have around 2 weeks from the point in time it goes gold to hitting retailers. That would make it going gold right around now. You're telling me that Ed Boon and co, in less than two weeks, can implement 3 new characters, balance them, and test them for bugs? If your answer to that is yes, then Midway's going to have some other problems on their hands because Konquest Mode has several glitches that still need to be fixed before the game is released. And as far as calling 7-11, you do understand that the person who called works for a major gaming magazine. A mag where a bad review would make a lot of people take notice. PR and marketing people will tell you a lie if something hasn't been announced yet. Weeks before MK6 was announced, Midway said there was no MK6. However, you do not lie to a person reviewing the game. The standard issue PR response for the question asked would've been something like, "We can't confirmed there are more than 24 playable characters at this time" not... "There are only 24." And if I'm what Ed Boon is hoping for, then Midway has another issue. 24 characters in a fighting game isn't a lot anymore. That's normal. Tekken 5 is set to have 30 or more. With three more unlockables putting the count at 27, that's a little better. The more people believe stuff if hidden, the more they'll play and the more they'll look for it. If a major magazine publishes that there are onlu 24 characters, and there are actually 27, that hurts Midway. EDIT: hockeyplaya... When I went through Konquest, I went through looking for stuff. I didn't just run through as fast as I could. There are a good portion of characters that will be hard to find unless you know where to look. I doubt many people will find Sindel, Kira or several others without the help of a guide or something.

Dr. Dogg,
Do ya know if Kitana, Kung Lao, Sonya, Seerena, Cage, or Nitara can fight against u?
What kind of moves did Quan Chi, Jax, and Shang Tsung have?
Thanx for the info on them!!!

I would base your answers off the strat guide either. Id say wait at least a week or two after the actual game comes out and let everyone finish it and go back through and such... even then Boon/Midway could have gotten really smart with the game and embedded some deep secretes in MKD, after the big controversy of the MK:DA final secret.

What was MK:DA's final secret?

There really wasn't one, Boon said it to basically get everyone hyped, like how this "Super Secret Character" thing is right now. Wow imagine that, another thing that wasn't delivered. Whether it is really true or not in MKD, we will see.
Oh yeah Blueoak, DrDogg has been giving T5 impressions and breakdown, DoA info and general breakdown of hella game information for many sites; He has visited other websites before and gave info, he is credible and is a known reviewer. Also, to call someone a name, especially "nerd" is going quite far seeing how you visit this website and adamently defend Boon like your life depended on it. Kinda moronic and self-contradicting isn't it? Also if Boon wanted people to think there aren't any extras in the game, he wouldn't be hounding the modes and all down our throats every interview now would he? Ask yourself what he would lose by telling reviewers there are SUPER SECRET CHARACTERs? Nothing, he would actually gain reviewers that would rave and mention it to hype the game even higher.

Like I give a SHIT
I don't care how "Credible" he is or how into this shit he is....but as far as I can tell, for you people to take this shit so serious, the only thing I CAN call you is a nerd...

HDTran Wrote: There really wasn't one, Boon said it to basically get everyone hyped, like how this "Super Secret Character" thing is right now. Wow imagine that, another thing that wasn't delivered. Whether it is really true or not in MKD, we will see. Oh yeah Blueoak, DrDogg has been giving T5 impressions and breakdown, DoA info and general breakdown of hella game information for many sites; He has visited other websites before and gave info, he is credible and is a known reviewer. Also, to call someone a name, especially "nerd" is going quite far seeing how you visit this website and adamently defend Boon like your life depended on it. Kinda moronic and self-contradicting isn't it?

uhhh.. I don't care whether there are or not any characters, which was what I was saying the entire time. You're the one who took posts and picked them apart, analyzing them and defended Boon. I was just pointing out that if you didn't like what you read and didn't have anything valid to add, then just say thank you and stop. There is no need to flame a contributor.

Lol oh so I was defending boon? Making it sound a little dramatic don't ya think?
And what's wrong with my opinion? I don't have enough "Visits" for ya? I see that kind of bullshit by tons of members here lmao.
His opinions on his friend's test copy are obviously bullshit. Hell I've had MKDA for 2 years and haven't even unlocked everything i know is in there

blueoakleyz Wrote: Lol oh so I was defending boon? Making it sound a little dramatic don't ya think? And what's wrong with my opinion? I don't have enough "Visits" for ya? I see that kind of bullshit by tons of members here lmao. His opinions on his friend's test copy are obviously bullshit. Hell I've had MKDA for 2 years and haven't even unlocked everything i know is in there

Calm down, you're getting worked over nothing, wasn't this your definition of what you called a "nerd"?
You self-demeaned yourself and tried to make me the bad guy by pointing out how many visits I have vs. yours when I made no mention. I respect your opinion and have never made myself above anyone else EVER. But the difference between me and you is that I RESPECT YOUR OPINION, but you don't respect anyone elses. From DrDogg, who has SOMETHING VALID to say from a first-hand, whereas you draw your conclusions from second-hand sources. If you don't believe it then don't believe it, don't kill the messenger you know?
The fact that you still haven't unlocked everything in MKDA doesn't mean that most people didn't finish unlocking them within the first few weeks. Hell most people could have easily cheated for coins with two memory cards and got it in one day. Why is it so hard to believe that Konquest and other modes were bland and easy to go through? If you remembered when MKDA was releasing, Boon was talking about how it'd take us awhile to go through the Konquest in that game, lol.

Actually I used the coin cheat too.
There is no way you can determine my demeanor from my text btw... and no, I don't respect anyone's opinions and yeah I think people like dogg who are acting like they are super-insiders are kinda....well nerds

He isn't acting like a super-insider though, look through this thread again.
I mean you visit these forums, if you played the actual game and you could help everyone out with some new information, wouldn't you? I know I would. JRF did, all the MKO staff did, mastermalone did, Kano_Fan did, etc.
He's just answering questions directed at him and because people have attacked him on this thread, people have forced him to defend himself and his credibility, WHEN he didn't want to make any mention of in the first place.
Just contributing; nothing more, nothing less. Instead of a thank you or just a simple okay, he got crap thrown back in his face for being nice and sharing free info.

Hey, thanks HDTran and DrDogg. you guys are awesome.
Anyhow, We can all just wait.

yeah I know he's helping everyone out with inside information and opinions on the game
but saying/arguing that there aren't "super unlockables" is just retarded
it's like arguing there isnt a god...as much as you dont believe in a god, there's still always a chance there could be one cuz you never know (I'm atheist though)

I totally agree with you BlueOak, however DrDogg and Ninja_Arts never claimed that they were the end all be all either. DrDogg just simply said that based on his build, that was how it is. When his friend called Midway, that was their answer. Then he said the likeliness of more characters was low and would be bad press info, but there was still a chance that there could be something since he hasn't completed everything. He never argued that he was 100% right either. Other people on this thread have twisted what he has said to something more though, ah well.
Another reason why the MK Community is looked down upon by other fighting game communities, even when someone is trying to do something nice, besides the gameplay and fanboyism for fluff I suppose.

...Wrong. You all are so long that my ribs ache from laughter. No Super Unlockables?

I know the guy is telling the truth, I just don't see why they would hype it up so much, even go as far as to saying "Oh yeah, lots of hidden characters. Tons of hidden stuff" and then it turn out to be false. That just blows.

KenshiMaster16 Wrote: I know the guy is telling the truth, I just don't see why they would hype it up so much, even go as far as to saying "Oh yeah, lots of hidden characters. Tons of hidden stuff" and then it turn out to be false. That just blows.

Oh come on, that's classic MK Team for you. They always do stuff like this, like I remember about two years ago or so...
Before DA came out...
MK Team: We're going to have our characters sweat and have full body damage!
MK Fans: Cool!
After DA comes out...
MK Fans: ...Hey! Where is all the stuff you promised!?
MK Team: *points* Look! A shiny thing! *runs*

From the GamePro Mag:
(Also on this site's news front Aug. 11)
"Deception's lineup consists of 24 fighters - 12 that are available at the start of the game and another 12 that can be unlocked - "and then some super-unlockable ones," says Ed Boon. "These are the ones that you dig up in Konquest mode way after you're done with the game."
It's as simple as that.
Just because DrDogg has played the game a lot, doesn't mean he knows everything about it. No offense DrDogg, but it could be that very, very, very precise conditions and sequences are required to to unlock the other characters.
We'll just have to wait for the game and see.

Hmmmm.....

Again, let's look at the source. It's Ed Boon. This is a guy who is trying to sell the product. He's hyping. Anything he says should not be taken too seriously.
He's not going to say "oh yeah, our new game rocks, we've got like a couple of hidden characters that you'll unlock within days! It's gonna be awesome!"
Any comment about a "torrent" of hidden characters, or "taking a long time to find" hidden stuff should be taken as hyperbole.