KenshiMaster16 Wrote: I'm praying Boon wasn't lying or hyping anything when he said there would be more than 24. At E3 in that interview the MKO guys did, didn't Boon say there would be way more than 24? It was some kind of interview that got a lot of people talking on here.

Dude, Dr. Dogg probably just hasn't found them.

He never said "way more." He said 12 starting, 12 unlockable as well as some super unlockables.

KenshiMaster16 Wrote: I'm praying Boon wasn't lying or hyping anything when he said there would be more than 24. At E3 in that interview the MKO guys did, didn't Boon say there would be way more than 24? It was some kind of interview that got a lot of people talking on here.

Ok...a few things.
Dogg, thanks a ton for your info, and I am sorry for the flames you are recieving.
HDTrann, man, you amaze me. You and Dogg both actually. I read your MKD Fighting primer and was astounded and found myself scratching my head saying "fifty fifty mix up..? Frame whazzit..?" lol seeing you two speak together on Doggs original post also made my head spin. Not only did it make me feel like a complete fighting game novice, but I really wanted to sit down, buy ya lunch, and find out just what the heck some of those terms MEAN! lol I am an old hack at MK..love the universe and characters mainly..but when it comes to fighting, man, you guys know it, and I wish I did. Thanks.
Anyways, let's all calm down and look at the facts, and what was said.
1. Dogg claims Midway said there are only 24 characters. I am DREADING that this is going to turn into the lady from Midway answering dozens upon dozens of emails from when MKDA came out asking about second fatalities, and a lot of people claimed she was fictional, but she was a real employee ( you guys remember that? lol). That said, I think we may have to believe there may only be 24, as the "fictional" lady (can't remember her name..) was right about the fatalities.
2. The Gamepro issue. Yes, I realize Boon hyped stuff up before. But in an August issue, so close, relatively speaking, to release? He would blatantly say, and in the context that he MEANT Kombat mode, that more were unlockable beyond the 24? It seems too blatant a statement, and one too close to release/finish date, to ignore. I am not sure if he has ever been that blatant that close to finish date before. If he was lying, then IMO that was a really bad move. Being so close to release, it will still be VERY fresh in the players minds (If I recall, most of the stuff he promised in MKDA was said way earlier, but had to be cut due to time constraints). Bad move if it was in fact a lie.
3. What Dogg said about online capacity. I can see his point. I am not sure you can have THAT many characters for an online game and still have it run smoothly, can you?
4. What Ninja Arts said about the Brady email. Was this in fact false or not? (not really a "fact", just need that one cleared up for me..heh).
One other thing to consider. Unlockable, playable characters are NOT an MK staple. Unlockable characters to FIGHT, yes, maybe. In the MK series (discounting Gold and Trilogy) 3 of the games had characters you could fight against (1, 2, and 3) and 3 of the games had characters to unlock (3, 4, MKDA..and one in 4 wasn't even permanently unlockable). So, it's not really an anti MK move NOT to have super secret unlockable characters. Technically, you could say the 12 shaded ones you have to unlock are about as secret as the unlockables in MK3 and 4..which brings the Super Secret unlockable count down to ONE game..MKDA with Mokap and Blaze. One out of 5, going on 6 is hardly a staple for a series..know what I mean?
Anyways, those are the long winded facts so far. Don't think I missed any others beyond the flames lol. Let's focus on answering some of these. It should be fun.

BAH this is getting aannoying.
watch the ED BOON FAN INTERVIEW MOVIE.
Ed Boon Quote: "Yeah, there will be more than 24 characters. ah the main grid of character that you chooes from will be 8 by 3, which is 24 characters. But we do plan on hiding ah additonal character in the ah Konquest mode that will be ah an addition to the 24."
ok look at the facts
1. Thats what Boon said.
2. he stated earlier that the goal of mk deception
was to a. listen to the ppl and give them what they want and b. suprise ppl.
3. every mk game had secrets.
4. no one has played the final verion of mk deception.
5. and NO ONE has done EVERYTHING in konquest(sorry drdogg)
So everybody think what you want. Im not getting greedy but it would be a bummer not to have any super unlockables. But i still belive there is.
If im wrong, so be it. Im happy with the line up already avalible well except the fact that sektor aint in. thing that bugged me is that Boon said ah alot in the interview.

Let's look at some facts, shall we?
1. If I am not mistaken, Ed Boon said that there would be some "super secret" characters that would be found AFTER you beat the game with every character and already beat Konquest once. Unlocking the Super Secret characters would be the last thing you do. Since DrDogg hasn't done everything yet, it makes sense that he hasn't found any Super Secret charaters, right? Also, Ed talked about the time feature and how if you were in a Forest and someone jumped out at a certain time they might fight you in Mortal Kombat, doing so and winning might unlock a character. Wouldn't it make sense that the character you fought would be unlocked? Maybe those are the Super Secret characters, but, you can only unlock them after you've done EVERYTHING else. Even though alot of people might be disappointed that the Super Secrets characters are just the same old characters from Deadly Alliance..... why bitch? We have 24 good characters to choose from, PLUS the possibility of some DA characters. We can't have the world handed to us. Be happy with what we get.
2. The build of the game Drdogg played was around 90% complete, correct? Well, maybe that was FROM the 90% complete build. Not an actual build. Midway supplies Mags with demo's of the game to review, but do you think they would want to incorporate EVERY secret in it? O_o C'mon! They work for a MAGAZINE. If they found some nice and juicy secrets, wouldn't Midway be afraid that they might print them or post them online? Or maybe Midway just doesn't want them to know all the secrets so they can buy the game and enjoy it like we all will. I don't think Midway would hand out a 90% build of the game with all the Secrets intact.
3. Picture this. Midway wants fans to be surprised. Ed and the team have gone great lengths to hide stuff away in Deception. Now here we go. Just picture it.
*ring ring*
Woman: Hi, this is Tina from Midway. How can I help you?
Me: Hi Tina! I work for Gamepro! I have a build of MK:Deception and I think it's SUPER. But, I have a question..... just how many characters are in this game?
Woman: 24! No more, no less! That's it!
Ok. Why would she give out information like that? And how would she know if I was really from GamePro? If Midway wants stuff to be KEPT secret... you think they are going to be taking phonecalls from Magazine Editors!? I think not. I mean, they might take the call, but give an honest reponse? No. Not without 100% verification. And I've known people that have had "100% Verification", they are damn good hacks, cheaters, liars, and thieves. Nice people! But downright dirty thieves!
4. Now onto the movelist. Oy... this bugs me if it's true. And I am not calling anyone a liar. I believe every word that has come out of DrDogg's mouth! But, I don't think every move was put in that build. Sub-Zero is one of Ed Boon's favorite characters. You honestly think he'll only give him 2 moves? Ain't gonna happen. If it does happen..... WOW. I'll bite off Ed Boon's f*cking big toe! As for Baraka not hving his Blade Fury.... he HAS his Blade Fury! Or at least he DID. It has to be in there. Ed said characters would have thier signature moves. Well.... wouldn't you say Baraka's Blade Fury was his Signature? And we've all see a pic of Baraka doing it. At least it looks like it to me!
Let me see if I can do this right......

If that isn't his Blade Fury.... I don't know what is! This IS an older picture, but I don't know why they would remove that move.
And I think everyone should calm down with the flames. We have 1 damn thing that brings us together in here. MK of course. And our love for MK should unite us. lol That was great! Seriously though, this one thing brings us together and we should all accept other opinion's and then give an opinion of our own. We don't have to go around calling everyone "shit bags" & "Jesus' fruit sack". It's all uncalled for. Holy sh*t... I am preaching... Alright! It's after 8am and I haven't been to bed yet. I hope this stuff made sense. =\

I couldn't have said that better myself. Bravo! Encore!! LOL

Well, is more easy of which it seems:
Q: That types of characters it has in the game?
A: Starters, Hiddens and Secrets.
Q: But were not called Super Secrets?
A: Exactly! Are called SUPER Secrets!
Q: And which is the difference?
A: That they are more difficult to find than the secrets.
Q: And who were and as they were in the MKDA?
A: Blaze & Mokap. You could play with them after finishing the 218 missions of the Konquest.
Q: I have obtained it, but they don't appear in the selection screen... how I can choose them then?
A: They are hidden in the selection screen. You must press down and Start in Raiden to choose to Blaze, and the same in Cyrax to choose to Mokap
Q: Then, how we will be able to find them?
A: Probably we will have to obtain specific requirements, such as to make concrete missions of the Konquest, finish the game to us with certain fighter with a high difficulty, things thus...
Q: But how we will be able to choose a super secret, once unlocked?
A: It's possible that say it when we obtained the super secret, or that we must do just like in the MKDA... look in a guide or Internet.
Q: And the super secrets will be available in all the modes of game?
A: Perhaps they aren't in Arcade Mode or Chess Kombat, depends on how they're the super secrets
Q: And in the Puzzle Kombat, it's certain that only there are 12 characters?
A: Well, we are see pics of characters that they aren't in the Puzzle Kombat select screen, therefore more surely is than they are the 24, with his 2 outfits.
Q: Then, there is people in the forum that lies?
A: No, they don't lie, simply they say what they know...

Man.I am at the point where none of this crap matters anymore.There only 24 characters??Fine.Just release MK:Deception.I'm happy to see another MK made period.24 or 32 characters,whatever,Mk is here in less than 20 days.Be happy about it.

HDTran, you really need to stop trying to defend Ninja_Arts. He is a kid who jumps on band wagons and runs around crying wolf every chance he gets.

HDTran Wrote: I totally agree with you BlueOak, however DrDogg and Ninja_Arts never claimed that they were the end all be all either.

Ninja_Arts is the one I have had issue with in the first place. And Yes, he has claimed to be the end all be all. Examples.
1. This thread topic for one 'There are no Super Unlockables (See why)' That seems like a closed statement to me.
2. Ninja_Arts quote in this thread 'There are no other characters besides the 24 listed.' He never says according to Midway in those statements. He is making it clear HE KNOWS for sure.
3. Another Ninja_Arts quote '24 is the confirmed amount. There were no secret characters.' Every one of his statements were HE KNOWS for sure, oh yes HE IS RIGHT. Just like he was in this thread. HDTran please read that and you will see why Ninja's credibility was at issue.
http://www.mortalkombatonline.com/content/forum/showmessage.cds?name=mk6&message=154812
....nuff said.
DrDogg always made his statements as his opinion in agreement with what Midway told him. That I have always agreed and never disputed. Everytime he makes mention of that fact he clearly states it is Midway's contention that the are no more than 24. I truely appreciate DrDogg's info and reviews.
BUT... (Disclaimer: this is my opinion, I have no fact to dispute these claims. Again, its my opinion)
I do have ONE problem with DrDogg's source at Midway. Now this is my opinion and mine alone. I don't think his friend spoke with the Marketing Director himself. I think it was someone else in the marketing section possibly as low as an assistant. I base this on statements he made. Everytime he is asked about how he knows there are only 24 he mentions Midway said so. Only ONCE does he say his friend contacted the Marketing Director.
DrDogg says 'The director of Marketing at Midway is where the info came from and I would think he'd know what to tell someone reviewing the game for a magazine.'
He only says this ONCE to prove that his friend talked to someone credible....Sorry, if people have problem with my sources I am not going to just say someone at Midway off the bat...I am going to say Marketing Director EVERYTIME its brought up. He says it once and then LATER says 'Someone who knows nothing of MK... wasn't asked. We asked the person who would know best outside of the development team. The people who are in charge of hyping the game.'....'The People'...why not say Marketing director?.
AND if it is so easy to get with this Marketing Director why not just call him up and clear it up once and for all by SPCIFICALLY asking him slowly "Are there any Super Unlockable Characters?"
That's my 2cents

Yeah, the Midway's representative in Game Star Live 2004 did't know that they were the Hara-Kiris... sorry but, if the information isn't of Ed Boon, John Vogel or Steve Beran, I don't consider 100% trustworthy information, although they are of Midway.

Yep. Thats why I think they have no clue what they are talking about. If they don't even know what Hara-Kiri's are, then how the hell would they know there are super secret characters. They wouldn't if they don't even know a main aspect of the game.

ninja_arts Wrote: Why would they scrap characters like Bellok from MK4?

Because the character was an idea from Eurocom that they were trying to put in the game without authorization from Midway...so they were forced to scrap the idea. And it was MK Gold, not MK4.
Boon stated himself in that interview that there would be more than 24 characters...

First of all, I'm not a kid jumping on ANY bandwagon. I had a source, whom said he knew someone from Midway, about 4 months ago, who'd PM me shit, and then that guy about the strategy guide popped up. It was the same. Later do I realize it's not really all that true, and they guy was pulling my leg. I had been fooled.
Second, Widomaker, You have NO point in this thread starting fights with the two people in here stating facts and bringing information. I simply re-stated what DrDogg said, as a fact. I removed it from his thread to mine, reworded it and there it is. Presto! I also looked at the screen and some of the interviews, before posting this thread JUST to make sure.
Now, For you to be looking over my shoulder, and watching my constant move, makes you a fucking loser. I'm only around here to do what you do on a fucking message board. Post what I think, and I know, and RUMORS, and FACTS. The subtitle of this board...Discuss the rumors and theories behind Mortal Kombat: Deception. Sounds right to me. I'm actually alot older than my Profile says, but not being on to mess around with it, and being too lazy to deal with it, is something I don't give a DAMN about. I'm thankful that HDTran Defended I and DrDogg, and I believe every word DrDogg's posted. Don't you remember when we saw Puzzle Kombat's Select Screen? 12 slots, 6 were selectable, 6 weren't. 12 is well enough to see all of the characters we've seen, WITH alternate outfits. Anything else, I sure as Hell don't know.
Another thing, to clear this up, is I DID Email BradyGames Publishing. I went to the site, went to Contact us, and sent them a "Book Inquiry". This is when I typed my email, that Widomaker thinks is a phone call, when I stated I contacted them. One week later, I received an email back, short but just saying "Some things would not appear due to Midway's asking." Of course it was longer than that, but you all get the point.
Now, I've seen half of these statements, and threads as what Widomaker calls "Closing Threads", such as "There Are Super Unlockables, Don't Give up hope!", Wouldn't that be PROMISING someone super unlockables? Or Saying you KNOW there are Super unlockables? There are more, but that's just one. I'm not here to start a flame war with a grown man who's so desperate to prove his point, that he has to get on here and constantly look over MY shoulder. It makes Widomaker look like he has no life, as well as an obsession. Now, back to the topic...
I do not think there will be any, because you know what, if you go through the whole damn game and there isn't any, don't cry about it. You're getting 3 new game modes and 24 great characters, what's to cry about?
Hope my post has cleared everything up.

And thanks for clearing that up Konqrr.

Konqrr is always right. Well, atleast, I've never been online to see him wrong. LOL I'm not saying the guy is a liar, all I'm gonna say is even though he played it, and with all the secrets there are suppose to be jammed packed into this game, I doubt he even had time to get around to figuring out how to get the super unlockables, so ninja_arts, just because he never found them, doesn't give any proof. If he had the game for a couple weeks to a month, and found EVERYTHING there is to find, then maybe I would believe you, but there is just isn't enough proof to back up the statement you are trying to make, especially, when Boon himself stated there would be more than 24 and it's not like he mixed his statement up. It came out 'more than 24 playable people' or whatever he said. Anyways, point is, he said more than 24 LOL which is enough proof for me. Plus, even if the secret characters ARENT playable, they are still secret characters to fight and to see and have in the game. An MK game without secret characters is just NOT an MK game at all. And the MKTeam has never let us down before, so why would they let us down on the most hyped MK game yet? They wouldn't.

theeldersin Wrote: Let's look at some facts, shall we? 1. If I am not mistaken, Ed Boon said that there would be some "super secret" characters that would be found AFTER you beat the game with every character and already beat Konquest once. Unlocking the Super Secret characters would be the last thing you do. Since DrDogg hasn't done everything yet, it makes sense that he hasn't found any Super Secret charaters, right? Also, Ed talked about the time feature and how if you were in a Forest and someone jumped out at a certain time they might fight you in Mortal Kombat, doing so and winning might unlock a character. Wouldn't it make sense that the character you fought would be unlocked? Maybe those are the Super Secret characters, but, you can only unlock them after you've done EVERYTHING else. Even though alot of people might be disappointed that the Super Secrets characters are just the same old characters from Deadly Alliance..... why bitch? We have 24 good characters to choose from, PLUS the possibility of some DA characters. We can't have the world handed to us. Be happy with what we get. 2. The build of the game Drdogg played was around 90% complete, correct? Well, maybe that was FROM the 90% complete build. Not an actual build. Midway supplies Mags with demo's of the game to review, but do you think they would want to incorporate EVERY secret in it? O_o C'mon! They work for a MAGAZINE. If they found some nice and juicy secrets, wouldn't Midway be afraid that they might print them or post them online? Or maybe Midway just doesn't want them to know all the secrets so they can buy the game and enjoy it like we all will. I don't think Midway would hand out a 90% build of the game with all the Secrets intact. 3. Picture this. Midway wants fans to be surprised. Ed and the team have gone great lengths to hide stuff away in Deception. Now here we go. Just picture it. *ring ring* Woman: Hi, this is Tina from Midway. How can I help you? Me: Hi Tina! I work for Gamepro! I have a build of MK:Deception and I think it's SUPER. But, I have a question..... just how many characters are in this game? Woman: 24! No more, no less! That's it! Ok. Why would she give out information like that? And how would she know if I was really from GamePro? If Midway wants stuff to be KEPT secret... you think they are going to be taking phonecalls from Magazine Editors!? I think not. I mean, they might take the call, but give an honest reponse? No. Not without 100% verification. And I've known people that have had "100% Verification", they are damn good hacks, cheaters, liars, and thieves. Nice people! But downright dirty thieves! 4. Now onto the movelist. Oy... this bugs me if it's true. And I am not calling anyone a liar. I believe every word that has come out of DrDogg's mouth! But, I don't think every move was put in that build. Sub-Zero is one of Ed Boon's favorite characters. You honestly think he'll only give him 2 moves? Ain't gonna happen. If it does happen..... WOW. I'll bite off Ed Boon's f*cking big toe! As for Baraka not hving his Blade Fury.... he HAS his Blade Fury! Or at least he DID. It has to be in there. Ed said characters would have thier signature moves. Well.... wouldn't you say Baraka's Blade Fury was his Signature? And we've all see a pic of Baraka doing it. At least it looks like it to me! Let me see if I can do this right...... If that isn't his Blade Fury.... I don't know what is! This IS an older picture, but I don't know why they would remove that move. And I think everyone should calm down with the flames. We have 1 damn thing that brings us together in here. MK of course. And our love for MK should unite us. lol That was great! Seriously though, this one thing brings us together and we should all accept other opinion's and then give an opinion of our own. We don't have to go around calling everyone "shit bags" & "Jesus' fruit sack". It's all uncalled for. Holy sh*t... I am preaching... Alright! It's after 8am and I haven't been to bed yet. I hope this stuff made sense. =\

I totally agree with everything you said!
I applaud all the kool info DrDogg provided to us, BUT DrDogg didn't play the final version of this game. Come on people. Don't give your hopes up so easily.
Everyone who did play the game already played the 80 or 90% finished game, which didn't have everything the final version has in it.
Ed Boon said there will be more characters to unlock after you beat the game. I'm sticking with that.
He wouldn't just blatantly say how many characters are in the game, hence the "24 characters and super secret characters". Ed Boon is probaly just supplying unfinished verisons of the game to throw everyone off and have everyone thinking differently until the final version is released. Boon is probaly smarter than we all think of him to be.

Scorpion...

To be honest, this thread is kinda pointless. I mean the title is "There are no Super Unlockables (See why)" and there is no valid proof. Sure you said the guy played Konquest, unlock a lot of stuff in the Krypt (in which it's already known they wouldn't be in there anyways), and he found some hidden stuff BUT NOT EVERYTHING in Konquest. So your trying to say there are none, when he hasn't even found anything or somewhat around that. Because the thread title makes it sound like that is proof enough, even when Boon stated that there would be more than 24, now definately cleared on by Konqrr. So........if there are none, and he never found every single thing in Konquest.....where is your proof? And I won't accept the representative thingy either, now that I remember hearing about the moron person from Midway who didn't even know what a Hara-Kiri was.

And so that I don't sound like an asshole, I really do, from the bottom of my heart, enjoy reading the info you've been posting. I just think there is still stuff hidden in there that they won't put in the guide, like the S.S.C.

ninja_arts Wrote: I had a source, whom said he knew someone from Midway, about 4 months ago, who'd PM me shit, and then that guy about the strategy guide popped up. It was the same. Later do I realize it's not really all that true, and they guy was pulling my leg. I had been fooled.

And when you were on that bandwagon you agrued and resorted to name calling to prove that you were right only to see your case fall all to short.

ninja_arts Wrote: Second, Widomaker, You have NO point in this thread starting fights with the two people in here stating facts and bringing information.

I have never had a beef with DrDogg. I value his info and review as I stated just my post before this one. Obviously you missed it cause I am having to repeat myself. I have my opinion about his source but that is not picking a fight. That is merely stating my opinion in which everyone is entitled.

ninja_arts Wrote: Now, For you to be looking over my shoulder, and watching my constant move, makes you a fucking loser. I'm only around here to do what you do on a fucking message board. Post what I think, and I know, and RUMORS, and FACTS. It makes Widomaker look like he has no life, as well as an obsession.

Now you are the one on the flame war here. I have never in any post called you a name or tried to degredade you in any way. I have not made any attack on your lifestyle. So please again I ask you to keep this adult instead of blithering obscenities to make your point.
Now the right way to start this thread would have been to say a Midway employee states there are only 24 selectable characters. NOT There are only 24 cause I know I am right. You knew you were right about the list of 6 you had just as you know you are right there are no super unlockables. I so so hope that the supers are revealed just to shoot you down once again. If they are not then that means the Midway employee was right and I will still enjoy this game. But I am sure if there are none you will tell everyone YOU WERE RIGHT since you have been all along the past 4 months.

Look, I'm not knocking DrDogg at all, and I'm certainly not saying that he's lying, but has anyone thought that maybe, just maybe, that reviewers like DrDogg got a special build of the game, i.e not a full one. That probably explains why there are no super unlockables in DrDogg's build of the game: Midway took them out so DrDogg and other people like him couldn't find them and tell the fans, hence spoiling the surprise.
As for the call to Midway, they probably just said that to keep it a secret. Boon doesn't want everything known until after the game is out.

I humbly apologise for the double post

I'm pretty sure I remember reading Boon or another MK Team member saying that they will use the 'Realtime Clock' System of MKD to hide some of the better secret stuff.
So unless Dogg beat Konquest completely the first time through, AND in the 2nd time through was able to check every square inch of the realms once per hour until 24 hours are complete (midnight to 11:59 PM), I can safely conclude that we don't know for a fact that 'everything' has been found in Konquest by him.
-MSMMA

PS DrDogg never tried to make his case for no super unlockables by saying he saw no evidence of them in Konquest. He just answered questions about Konquest. His one fact is the Midway employee's statement.

Sub-Zero