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05/12/2006 05:22 PM (UTC)
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Anything about Dairou or did I miss some info?
How are the (TS) Drops for characters like Jarek and Drahmin (sp?)?

(TS) what does TS stand for? Tiberian Sun? confused

Tombstone drop
The unblockable backslam move.
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05/12/2006 05:31 PM (UTC)
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Drifting_Ravage Wrote:
Subzero2 Wrote:
m2dave Wrote:
Anything about Dairou or did I miss some info?
How are the (TS) Drops for characters like Jarek and Drahmin (sp?)?

(TS) what does TS stand for? Tiberian Sun? confused

Tombstone drop
The unblockable backslam move.

I always backfliped in air when someone would try to TS drop me and then id use dairou's teleport right after i came down from backflip.
TS is easy to block if u do a backflip in the air.
It can also be done when nightwolf uses his lightning bolt w8 till u see his hand go 1/5th of the way up in the air abc back flip.
You wont get hit. =)
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05/12/2006 06:10 PM (UTC)
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05/12/2006 06:34 PM (UTC)
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I'm still hoping that all the styles have highs mids and lows. I know you probably didn't have enough time to scrutinize the game to that level, malone, but did you notice any tell tale signs that some styles wouldn't be "complete" in that sense?
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05/12/2006 11:46 PM (UTC)
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lol, cant really argue with that
im just a hapkido whore smile

lol yeah...I mean, it's always fun axe kicking the hell out your opponents. tongue I'm just all anal and shit about the whole styles thing so you'll have to excuse me on that...
To Saty: Yeah, I saw the video. Combining the Water Teleport with the Lightning Bolt might make him quite dangerous.
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05/13/2006 02:18 AM (UTC)
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Check Wrote:
lol, cant really argue with that
im just a hapkido whore smile

lol yeah...I mean, it's always fun axe kicking the hell out your opponents. tongue .

again, cant argue with that either grin
theres really two ways of looking at it though, besides your way, which makes the most sense
one is how i look at it, i love scorpion because of hapkido and him having it the last 2 games makes me want him to have it even more
on the other hand, if they gave him hapkido again, along with everyone else their same styles, its really kinda dull. 3 games in a row with the same styles? it just makes more sense to mix them up like they are... im starting to accept that, along with only 2 styles
the thing about 2 styles is i caught boon or someone saying they wanted to only give 2 styles for balance reasons. that does, in fact make perfect sense, but they forgot about the most broken aspect of it. WEAPONS. weapons dominate most hand to hand, so they kind ajust kicked themselves in the foot right there
2 hand to hand was the way to go. and already taven's weapon is looking to be the new F+3 sad
also im seeing sektor and sub with the same moves in weapon?? thatll probably change, but that doesnt help classify to each specific character
as long as kenshi has tai chi, ill be happy
if not ill just make one in KAK, lol. ( along with scorpion grin )
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05/13/2006 02:33 AM (UTC)
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Check Wrote:
Sub-Zero_7th Wrote:
Check Wrote:
lol, cant really argue with that
im just a hapkido whore smile

lol yeah...I mean, it's always fun axe kicking the hell out your opponents. tongue .

again, cant argue with that either grin
theres really two ways of looking at it though, besides your way, which makes the most sense
one is how i look at it, i love scorpion because of hapkido and him having it the last 2 games makes me want him to have it even more
on the other hand, if they gave him hapkido again, along with everyone else their same styles, its really kinda dull. 3 games in a row with the same styles? it just makes more sense to mix them up like they are... im starting to accept that, along with only 2 styles
the thing about 2 styles is i caught boon or someone saying they wanted to only give 2 styles for balance reasons. that does, in fact make perfect sense, but they forgot about the most broken aspect of it. WEAPONS. weapons dominate most hand to hand, so they kind ajust kicked themselves in the foot right there
2 hand to hand was the way to go. and already taven's weapon is looking to be the new F+3 sad
also im seeing sektor and sub with the same moves in weapon?? thatll probably change, but that doesnt help classify to each specific character
as long as kenshi has tai chi, ill be happy
if not ill just make one in KAK, lol. ( along with scorpion grin )

Yeah, I kind of see what you're saying. Although, given how in MKDA and MKD, there was usually one not so great style for certain characters. For Scorpion, Hapkido would make him well-rounded if they did it right (as in add in the fucking Daito Ryu Aiki-Jutsu derived techniques...).
You could be right about Taven's Drakesword. It does look rather fast and strong. With having only 2 hand-to-hand styles per character, that might be kind of tough considering characters like Kitana, Mileena, and Shao Kahn who have their own trademark weapons...There just needs to be a good balancing out...
About Sektor and Sub, yeah...I know what you mean...I hope that changes too...although I hope Sub-Zero's Kori Blade will stay like it was in MKD except for the kicks and maybe a couple other moves that are pretty useless...
For Kenshi, yeah...though I hope they make it a bit more fluid as Tai Chi Chuan stresses fluidity. I hope it'll be a bit more like its MKDA version...
I guess that if I or anyone else is dissatisfied about the characters' styles or moves or something, there's always KAK, so yeah, you are right.
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05/13/2006 02:56 AM (UTC)
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mastermalone Wrote:
OK guys, I just added some small updates to the thread, and I will send my latest pic's to Konqrr for uploading to his site. It's been fun guys and my E3 time is done, I will be back to work as usual tomorrow. Feel free to ask me any questions you like concerning the game. I will answer them to the best of my ability.
Peace!!!!

Interesting updates Malone.
Kintaro's Command Grab is unblockable and takes away 1/5 of the opponent's health?? wow Uh...I don't know if I like the sound of that. Btw, what are his fighting styles, Tiger Fist and Saber Teeth, like? What does the Breathe move do?
I never got to play the GC version of MKD so I'm wondering what Goro's and Shao Kahn's styles are like in this game. You said that Goro didn't change much from his MKD version, but what about Shao Kahn? It looks like he still has Tai Tzu. Has that improved any, and if so, how? Oh, and does his throw do more than 5 damage? tongue
What are Kai's styles?
Demon Blade for Sareena, eh? Hmm, think maybe they're going overboard with the sword and bladed weapons? Eh...since it is apparently like Li Mei's Kunlun Dao, that plus her fast projectile seems to already make Sareena at least mid tier or something like that. What are some of her other moves like?
What has changed about Sub-Zero's and Scorpion's weapon styles? Is Sub-Zero's Icy Pillar an unblockable move?
Is there a straight up jump? If so, how is it done?
Stryker seems to potentially be a very good character gameplay-wise. Do you feel that he might need some toning down?
Does Mian Chuan still have the 4, 1 combo?
What are some of the throws like? For the returning characters like Sub-Zero and Scorpion, do they have new throws or their MKD throws?
Does Rain's Lightning Bolt pop the opponent into the air like in MKT or is it more like Nightwolf's Lightning Bolt in MKD? What is the Storm Sword like?
What makes Sheeva's Kuatan style different from Goro's Shokan style? Which of the two is better? What are Sheeva's Shokan Blades like?
I know this was a lot to ask, but I'm just one curious bastard, so I'm sorry if this might be asking too much. Once again, I thank you and the others for really making a difference.

1) One thing that I wanted to bring to everyones attention is that none of the fighting styles represented are concrete for any of the characters. So the fighting styles as of now are irrelavant.
2) Nothing so far has changed about Subby's weapon
3) There was no straight up jump in the game so far, that may change.
4) Styrker will definitely be a solid Mid Tier character. The one you may want them to tone down is Reiko, or should I say "Rape-o". He will be high tier if left unchanged along with Rain. Both characters are monsters!
5) Mian Chuan still combo's with 4,1. Again, these are just place holder styles and will change dramatically with additional combinations.
6) The throws are completely different. Sheeva was using Sub Zero's old throw, Sub-Zero grabs the opponent by the neck, freezes them and punches them backward shattering them out of the ice. Scorpion knees his opponent high into the air and throws out his spear pulling them back to the ground, Rape-o kicks the opponent high in the air where he follows to perform a reverse soccer kick sending the opponent flying towards the ground.
The Shokans have standard beatdowns they are known for, Shao Khan knocks you in the ground for a sliding plant. Rain hops over the opponent and back-hands them. I can't remember the rest at the moment. I would like to state that none of the throws so far allow for juggle follow ups except air throws that you perform mid combo. That is a good thing.
7) Rain's Lightening bolt sends the opponent flying in the air setting them up for an air juggle, it is unblockable like Night Wolfs.
8) Sheevas' style lacked the range of Goro's and had a couple of power moves that maks the opponent go into a plant slide. She has better kicks but lacks the speed of Goro's long range punches. Goro is a powerhouse, he is much better than Shao Khan in the game. Sheeva's Weapon is broken at the moment and had no recovery time. The team is already on it.
I hope that helps.
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05/13/2006 03:02 AM (UTC)
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Job well done "haters". Without you, it would have never got to this point. While everyone else blindly sucked MK's nuts, we were hellbent on making this thing better. We called Boon an idiot because he was acting like one. His games sucked and he made retarded comments all the time. We were just saying what we were seeing. Unlike the nut huggers, Boon is actually stepping up and admitting the mistakes. I can assure you fanboys you had no part in any of this so don't pat yourselves on the back. This great news isn't sticking it to any of us because WE'RE the ones who got this great news to happen. You guys did NOTHING. But I'm not trying to bring any negativity to this. Just stating a fact. Konq, malone, everyone. Thank you.
Now we'll wait and see how the finshed product happens. There's a bunch of worries still. But I'm far more happy now.
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05/13/2006 03:06 AM (UTC)
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Thanks for the feedback Malone. So Reiko is that good, huh? What makes him so good? What about his weapon, Devastator?
Aside from Rain's water teleport, what else is good about him?
Any improvements on Zha Chuan and Zi Ran Men? Is Shao Kahn's throw strong than before? What is his Tai Tzu style like?
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05/13/2006 03:09 AM (UTC)
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Thanks for all MasterMalone, and one question for you (or whatever that knows to reply me): What's the name of the Sheeva's Weapon? Thanks again wink
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05/13/2006 03:12 AM (UTC)
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Haha, I'm glad MM's DP's got a full upgrade. I was thinking it should have been higher than three, lol. tongue Again, Malone, thank you so much. MKO needs to hook you up with some asian love. grin Same for all those who contributed info and vids to help the cause. You're top tier.
Also, props to all those who contributed over the years. Many were called "elitists" and "haters" simply because major issues existed and persisted within MK, which others pointed out. Pointed out in order to have them resolved, because it made us sick knowing that MK could be so much more. Props to the bretheran who gave a shit enough and stuck around, taking the criticism, and continuing to speak the truth. We still have much work to do, so don't get lazy!! smile
Just a few questions:
I'm just curious about the spacing and movement in this game. BDc still scoots ass back while advancing options stay weak, or has this been addressed? SS still auto? Recovery from moves feel less "static?"
Recovery of projectiles; how is it? Can traditional zoning princaples be applied - in your estimation? Having projectiles sped up is one thing; being able to move ass and spam that shit - like you should be able to tongue - is another.
You mentioned "ender." MK has never really seamd to have a combo system which caters to "enders." So are you implying that the damage scaling has been tweaked?
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Anywho, thanks once again. You are an MKO hero.
I just hope this info doesn't end up being a saltine. sad

I'll be happy to answer,
1) The characters now dash foward pretty quickly. I know that they are not finshed tweaking the game so we may actually see a real dash feature. The feel of the game is like a quicker, more intuitive MKD yet different enough to feel new. Like I said, they are still fine tuning and adding gameplay features.
2) Traditional zoning will definitely see the light of day in this game. All projectiles have been considerably sped up. I was able to zone opponents all day with Strykers granades and machine gun due to this increase in spead. No one got in unless I wanted them to. Sareena has these blades that shoot so fast, it's lovely! Rain was just too sick with his Water Shot. The did say that they would tone him down a bit. The projectles have a purpose now.
3) When I said ender, I meant that you can finish a juggle with a speacial move much like you can in MKD. Like Kobra's 2,1,1,4 then f+2 then Flame Fist.
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05/13/2006 03:19 AM (UTC)
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Boon's NOT an idiot.I always said if anything he seemed lazy for not implementing this stuff earlier.But bashing the man will not help, constructive criticism can come with simple respect which was seriously lacking until this point.
Malone said it himself, that Boon and his team knows their shit and is a true gentlemen.I always had faith in Midway where others didn't, yet some walk the block calling themselves MK fans.That only applies to certain users though, not most in here.Only a few.
Anyway....
But on topic, I'm glad everything is being improved and Malone, did they mention anything concerning WORLD WIDE play this time around?I'm guessing not only because in one of the interviews Boon says himself that people will be able to KAK to their desires around the whole COUNTRY, not world.
So, I have a feeling it won't be full worldwide sadlysad
Also, Boon did say that our KAK online WILL have their names appear too?
For example:I create a guy called Blog, with his two fighting styles called Poopy(hand stance) and Pikachu(weapon stance) it will appear online?
And when you win I assume it says Blog Wins!
Thanks again Malone, I appreciate your work and taking the time to write up EVERYTHING of importance when you asked boon and company.
MK:A will own.grin I can't wait.grin
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05/13/2006 03:29 AM (UTC)
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Again, sorry for reposting this...
Any mention of Khameleon/ Chameleon / Blaze's status in the game besides boss?
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05/13/2006 03:33 AM (UTC)
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I'm still hoping that all the styles have highs mids and lows. I know you probably didn't have enough time to scrutinize the game to that level, malone, but did you notice any tell tale signs that some styles wouldn't be "complete" in that sense?
I asked the team about that. They will be expanding on the movesets of each style in the game. Right now, the place holder styles were exactly as they are in MKD.
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05/13/2006 03:35 AM (UTC)
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Up until this point, Boon did nothing to suggest he was even halfway smart. When he says with a smile on his face that the gameplay is rock, paper, scissors, that's being an idiot. Pointing that out is not just outright bashing. That's stating a fact. Blatant bashing is calling him a homo or something.
People who bitch and complain until the job is done are far more worthwhile than people who sit around blindly having faith praising everything. It's funny because then when the job is done, the people who sat around pretend like they did it. Like them just thinking about how great MK is accomplished making it better. No, I'm happy to say with a smile on my face that's not how it works. The "haters" are the ones who got it to that point. Not the dick suckers. grin grin
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05/13/2006 03:56 AM (UTC)
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Boon's NOT an idiot.I always said if anything he seemed lazy for not implementing this stuff earlier.But bashing the man will not help, constructive criticism can come with simple respect which was seriously lacking until this point.
Malone said it himself, that Boon and his team knows their shit and is a true gentlemen.I always had faith in Midway where others didn't, yet some walk the block calling themselves MK fans.That only applies to certain users though, not most in here.Only a few.
Anyway....
But on topic, I'm glad everything is being improved and Malone, did they mention anything concerning WORLD WIDE play this time around?I'm guessing not only because in one of the interviews Boon says himself that people will be able to KAK to their desires around the whole COUNTRY, not world.
So, I have a feeling it won't be full worldwide sadlysad
Also, Boon did say that our KAK online WILL have their names appear too?
For example:I create a guy called Blog, with his two fighting styles called Poopy(hand stance) and Pikachu(weapon stance) it will appear online?
And when you win I assume it says Blog Wins!
Thanks again Malone, I appreciate your work and taking the time to write up EVERYTHING of importance when you asked boon and company.
MK:A will own.grin I can't wait.grin

1) So far, it doesn't look like the cross continent play will be a reality but you never know.
2) Yes, your KAK's will diplay the names you want them to have and the styles
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05/13/2006 04:32 AM (UTC)
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Thanks for all MasterMalone, and one question for you (or whatever that knows to reply me): What's the name of the Sheeva's Weapon? Thanks again wink

And and Fujin's Weapon too, thanks a lot wink
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05/13/2006 06:39 AM (UTC)
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Up until this point, Boon did nothing to suggest he was even halfway smart. When he says with a smile on his face that the gameplay is rock, paper, scissors, that's being an idiot. Pointing that out is not just outright bashing. That's stating a fact. Blatant bashing is calling him a homo or something.
People who bitch and complain until the job is done are far more worthwhile than people who sit around blindly having faith praising everything. It's funny because then when the job is done, the people who sat around pretend like they did it. Like them just thinking about how great MK is accomplished making it better. No, I'm happy to say with a smile on my face that's not how it works. The "haters" are the ones who got it to that point. Not the dick suckers. grin grin

Co-sign.
Thanks for the response MM. From peeping the vids, zoning/spacing seamed much more solidified. I'll take your word for it until it's released. grin Though, MK REALLY needs a regular dash, along with being able to cancel movement. MK seams so linear, having to wait for the cycles to finnish and what not, then not even being able to buffer shit durring their execution/recovery.
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05/13/2006 08:11 AM (UTC)
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Mastermalone I got a question:
They mention anything specific about Kintaro being incomplete. Between only having 2 specials, a weapon that looks like they just renamed Goro's he doesn't look finished at all.
I'm getting the vibe they just needed another boss for the demo and made his throw special unblockable for this E3 build just to make him more than a gimped Goro.
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"You need to understand that a bunch of fucking dumb 16 year olds know dick about programming and more about starting flame wars on message boards. It's easy for one of them to complain and impossible for them to matter. "
We don't matter? ROTLMAO. If it weren't for us complaining none of these problems would of been addressed. It's morons that talk about nonsense like Sektor's alternate and pretend the gameplay is fine that make MK suck..
Once again you prove you don't know how to do anything but make shitty music and try to tick people off.
None of us have to know a thing about programming to realize MKD was bad, and needed improvement.

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05/13/2006 11:06 AM (UTC)
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"Up until this point, Boon did nothing to suggest he was even halfway smart. When he says with a smile on his face that the gameplay is rock, paper, scissors, that's being an idiot. Pointing that out is not just outright bashing. That's stating a fact. Blatant bashing is calling him a homo or something.
People who bitch and complain until the job is done are far more worthwhile than people who sit around blindly having faith praising everything. It's funny because then when the job is done, the people who sat around pretend like they did it. Like them just thinking about how great MK is accomplished making it better. No, I'm happy to say with a smile on my face that's not how it works. The "haters" are the ones who got it to that point. Not the dick suckers."
Double Co-Sign.
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05/13/2006 11:51 AM (UTC)
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Versatile Wrote:
"Up until this point, Boon did nothing to suggest he was even halfway smart. When he says with a smile on his face that the gameplay is rock, paper, scissors, that's being an idiot. Pointing that out is not just outright bashing. That's stating a fact. Blatant bashing is calling him a homo or something.
People who bitch and complain until the job is done are far more worthwhile than people who sit around blindly having faith praising everything. It's funny because then when the job is done, the people who sat around pretend like they did it. Like them just thinking about how great MK is accomplished making it better. No, I'm happy to say with a smile on my face that's not how it works. The "haters" are the ones who got it to that point. Not the dick suckers."
Double Co-Sign.

Triple. Glad to see Menthol show up.grin
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05/13/2006 04:20 PM (UTC)
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um..sticky please?
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05/13/2006 04:29 PM (UTC)
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um..sticky please?

Yeah man, make room for this thread to go up there.
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