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A) He has been shown with two blasters in a CGI cutscene in SSE, other than that i don't know

B) it's got knockback like before

C) he can throw the reflector, it's kinda weird, but it would be very effective on a projectile happy opponent, and i think if you throw it and hit some one it does damage like when your standing next to someone as fox and it damages them like 10%

D) From what i've seen his A's and his B-Up/Forwards are the same, he still jumps higher but is slower than fox and has more range

E) the FS is a dissapointment, i was hoping that he would call in Peppy/Slippy for an air strike, or even the Great Fox

F) Nintendo accidentally , mentioned downloaded items on the Dojo (if i remember correctly) so it's a possibility

Why is everyone using the term "Luigified" when describing the clones, instead of just calling them clones? I hate to break it to you, but the way these "Luigified" characters are being described seem no different to when they were clones in SSBM. In fact, Luigi is still a clone of Mario; if it wasn't for his "Luigi Missile" in SSBM, people would still regard him as a clone, so why give him his own term as if he's unique? His attacks are the same, but have different properties compared to Mario and Dr. Mario, so then one can say that he's not a full-fledged clone, but then again, every clone in SSBM was like that, so how are they any more of a clone of their originals than Luigi was to Mario?
The thing about the clones in SSBM was that none of them were exactly the same as their counterparts when you look at them in real detail. To name a few examples...
-Dr. Mario was heavier than Mario, slightly slower, his Foward+A smash did its job as soon as it came into contact (while Mario's would create a small fireball usually at the last second that didn't always connect, but would do more damage if it hit the target).
-Ganondorf was slower and heavier, but a lot stronger than Captain Falcon. His B took more time to charge, his Up+B did more could hurt surrounding enemies, and his Up+A attack (not smash) was a 1-Hit KO when charged and used. His regular A attack was also just a quick punch, while Falcon had a 3-hit combo and then rapid punches.
-Falco's Forward+B and Up+B attacks didn't cover as much distance as Fox's versions, his Forward+B and Down+B attacks would launch opponents into the air, where Fox's would send them either left or right. Also, his B attack was noticeably different, as it had knock-back, and couldn't be user rapidly. His Up+B attack also didn't burn any opponents as it "charged", while Fox's did.
When one explains it in that much detail, none of these characters seem like full-fledged clones, right? But they're still acknowledged as clones in SSBM, so how exactly are they all "Luigified" when the descriptions here seem to not show as much drastic difference?

So aside from a different Down+A, probably lighter and weaker in some things, he's exactly like Link? That sounds like a clone to me.

So he can use his reflector differently now, but otherwise, his differences from Fox in the previous game still stand? That's still a clone.

So the three of them are a new trio like Dr. Mario, Mario, and Luigi all were in SSBM... Spectacular [/sarcasm].

Again, not extremely drastic from SSBM, still sounds like a clone.

This one irks me a bit; why is everyone calling Ness the clone when he's had all these moves since the first game? If anything, I'd consider Lucas the clone, since he's the newbie and plays similarly to Ness.
Yeah, sorry about the giant rant here, it's just that these guys are all sounding like the exact same kind of clones that we saw in the last game. They may now have some slight changes here and their, but they're still clones, just as much as Luigi was to Mario in the previous games.

I have to say that I agree with you on all of that. Even on Melee the clone characters were "exact" replicas of the character of whom they were meant to double. Ganon was stronger and slower than Falcon and his moves acted a little different; Young Link's moves were weaker and did multiple hits rather than send the opponent flying off screen like his older counterpart; Pichu hurt himself whenever he did any lightning based attacks; Falco jumped higher than Fox and his "Firebird" was a lot lower than Fox's "FireFox"; Luigi's up + B would go straight up while Mario's was at an angle; etc. They've never made the clones exactly the same and it appears that Brawl is just the same scenario played over again. Personally I would have preferred if they didn't put in Star Wolf because Fox already had one clone as it was. I also agree with you by saying that Lucas is the clone in this case. Ness has been on every Smash Bros game since the Nintendo 64, and he's always had those same exact moves, this makes Lucas the clone character. What Nintendo should have done is give us more unique characters rather than filling the disc space of the game up with more and more clone characters. All that's going to happen is that people are going to figure out which one of the clones plays the best and use only them. For example: On Melee almost every one of my friends would use Falco: He jumped higher than Fox; his meteor attack (down + A while in the air) was a guaranteed KO if the opponent was over a cliff; his standard b attack (his ray gun) would push the opponent back as compared to Fox's which wouldn't. This made Falco the superior character if compared to Fox, so ALL of my friends would use him like crazy. The same thing is going to end up happening on Brawl, especially since the game is online. People are going to locate the superior clones and only use them over and over. If Nintendo had put fewer clones they would have forced people to deal with the characters the way they are. For example: since Kirby doesn't have a clone, anyone who wants to play as Kirby has to deal with the way he attacks and how his special moves work. But, if someone wants to play as Fox they're probably going to fool around with Falco and Wolf first and then determine which of the three they find to be "superior" and thus they will choose to use this character. Now, I'm not saying that everyone does this because I know I only play as characters that I like rather than characters who are good, but I know a lot of people like to search for the best characters before playing and that's why having so many clones can hurt the gameplay.

is lucario a clone of mewtwo?how many clones are there?

In a way you can say that Lucario is Mewtwo since Mewtwo isn't going to be coming back. In my honest opinion I thought Mewtwo sucked on Melee. All of his attacks were weak and almost none were capable of actually scoring a KO unless the opponent had over 100 damage. He was cool, yes, but he wasn't good. His moves were slow, lacked power and range, and even his standard b special move lacked the "punch" that other charge moves like Samus' had.

Jerrod, i know what you're saying, they're still considered clones.

It's just that they have many diffrences that make them a little diffrent from the orignal character they were cloned from.(Some characters have more diffrences than others, EX:Wolf.)

Just saw a video demonstrating every final Smash. I have a compulsive need to comment on each one. . .

Mario: Fireball-storm is cool. Blows people to shit.

Yoshi: Dragon-morph? Kinda uncool, but might fit in. I was expecting a giant Yoshi stampede.

Peach: Cuddly lullaby okay. I also find it quite fitting that it ctually helps heal her.

Bowser: Giga Bowser just had to happen. It just had to.

Dinkey Kong: Konga is meh. I wonder if you're gonna have to follow the beat as well. . .

Diddy Kong: May have gone Matrix-styled. The video did no justice to this FS.

Wario: Just like the guy, WTF is my only response. If only he could've done an atomic fart. . .

Pikachu: Okay. Could've just had a big thunderrod made outta the foe, but that might've blown.

Pokemon Trainer: Very cool. Triple boom just had to happen.

Pit: Flying Sweeps! Somebody needed a few assisstants, now did they?

Samus: Only way this could've happened was a hugeass beam. Only way.

ZeroS uit Samus: Why does this remind me of Cyrax's exploding teleport?

Kirby: Bam! Add a bit of Metaknight to the Cream of Mario and sprinkle some Snake to make your tastebuds go BAM! Makes him Emril.

Metaknight: Utterly cool.

Dedede: Only befitting that the penguin-guy summoned in some grunts.

Link/Toon Link: Cool. Might've done better if Link became FD Link.

Zelda/Shiek: Okay. Big pain arrow seems fun.

Fox/Falco/Wolf: Lame for the fact that these 3 share an FS. Why couldn't Wolf summon his StarWolf squad for some shootin'?

Ice Climbers: Giant Glacier of Death! Was this better than a freezing frenzy?

Olimar: Blow it up! Well, was cool, chumps, but I'm outta this dump!

Ike: Swingy blitz! Swingy Blitz!

Lucas/Ness: Not too familiar with the Mother franchise. Can't say much.

Luigi: WTF? Time-warping forcefield that Luigi (effeminately) dances in?

Falcon: Yes. Just yes. Could've been awesomer if a whole swarm of F-Zero racers broke in, but this is just awesome.

Snake: Unique is my word. Unique.

ROB: Lasers? That's it?! Wuss.

Sonic: Blah. We all knew it. If Shadow was in, they could've ut in Chaos Control.

Game & Watch: FUCK YEAH! Don't fuck wit da Octopus, ya heard?!

Lucario: Hyper beam. Yes.

Jigglypuff: Jumbo Jiggly? So much for an autograph. You culd collide with the jumbo.

Ganondorf: We all knew that he'd morph into Ganon, but that's sorta fast. No laser of death?

Marth: Death swipe, beyotch!

I think Fox/Falco/Wolf ('s) FS are all different.They all seem to do different things,from what I've seen.They could have been more creative,but the fact of it doesn't really bother me.

hey for fun lets list our top five favorite FS's:

1.ike-FINAL AETHER!!-a SLEW of awsomely cool looking slashes.

2.link:triforce slash-wow...just awsome...

3.sonic-super sonic-clitche,yes,awsome,hell yeah.

4.metaknight-galaxia darkness-short and SWEET.

5.lucario-hyper beam-AWSOMENESS


i wouldve said pokemon trainer's but its just too short.it only lasts like 3 seconds.

My fav. Finals are:

Zelda's light arrow- swift, powerfull, and looks awsome

Jigglypuff, hillarious.... and really usefull

Luigi.. Hahaha brilliant!

Dedede's is funny... but doesnt seem that usefull

Donkey also seems cool

My fave FS'-

1. Captain Falcon's FS is kick-ass, but yeah, it would've been better if a swarm of the racers came in. It's still fawesome in my books ^__^

2. Yoshi's Dragon transformation is cool, you could do some harsh damage with that.

3. Luigi's FS looks cool, I like the negative effect ^__^ And he seems to hit the enemy far in that bubble.

4. Snake's FS is original. I like it ^__^

5. Marth's Final Smash was just awesome. He slashes at his guy, then there's a pause, then Ike got launched.

It's not just you.

Yeah I noticed too...
I wish for Toon Link they would have done as a final smash a song... like the song of the tornado from Wind Waker... and a huge tornado blows everyone away... Link is one of the characters w/ the most potential for final smashes... they had 2 Links.. and they wasted the opportunity!!! :(

also... i love Poke Trainers Final... but an other fun idea (just throwin it out ther for fun) would have been if he calls the normal Pokemon back and trhows a fourth pokeball revealing a legendary pokemon that pwns the enemy... like Mew...

One of TL's taunts is where he has out that thing he used in WW to conduct music.

Speaking of taunts, every character has 3, and every pokemon of the pokemon trainer has 3 individual ones!

I watched a vid where it showed everyone's taunts, and they look kickass.

Alright, I was wrong!

Mewtwo's not in the game, and neither is Pichu.

I hate Lucario, man! I kept my Riolu from evolving because I hate Lucario.

Squirtle KICKS ASS!!!! He fights like a total champ!!!


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A lot of those final smashes seem severely unbalanced when compared to the rest of them.

Link has finally become a useful character.

Something like that - despite its "stinky smell" look - could come in handy.

Jigglypuff, to me, has one of the best Final Smash moves of all. Seriously, what can be better than forcing your opponets off of the field?

Zelda/ Shiek's Final Smash looks like something that was dragged out of The Matrix.

Lucario's Final Smash looks too much like Deoxys' move.

Mr. Game & Watch's Final Smash is dumb, funny, and brilliant all at the same time.

Why do Ike and Marth have the same Final Smash, as do Ness and Lucas... and Link and Wind Waker?

Ganondorf... what the hell was that, really?

Jigg's final smash is said to be useless

Lucario's attack might look like Deoxys but is way better

Ike and Marth have completely different final smashes

I already see a good use for Jiggy's FS, and that's if your adversary is hanging on an edge... Use it to block them from getting back onto the platform.

Jigglypuff's FS will be good for edge guarding.

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Also, if anyone is looking to be competitive in Brawl I would suggest checking out www.smashboards.com

All of the best players in the country go there for strategies, setting up matches and tournaments, etc.

It's the MKO of Smash, minus a huge chunk of the stupid people.