Look buddy, I'm not trying to antagonize you. I have no doubt you have a schizophrenic friend. I just doubt cannabis caused it. Triggered it perhaps, but not created. We can throw a million different studies out there about things that may or may not exist, but they are irrelevant. The fact stands. There is no solid evidence that cannabis causes schizophrenia. Cannabis causes slight mind alterations, but not to the degree of confusing fantasy with reality. You're thinking of stronger psychedelics.

It is your idea of abuse that I really don't agree with. If you ingest something that a doctor tells you not to, it's abuse? Okay. By that logic, we truly are sheep being herded by a system. No friend, abuse is letting something take control of you. Letting it cause damage. When people tell me I'm abusing something that I smoke every few months as a means of relaxing recreation, I get a little bit annoyed. You can find me an official definition that supports your case, but it really doesn't matter. That definition will likely be based around medical procedure, which changes about twice a year. It's about control, and anybody with a hint of common sense will tell you the same. Definitions change.

If I were to go drink a beer right now, would I be abusing alcohol? The doctor never told me to. In fact, he slapped a warning label right over the container! Oh but it's legal! You got me now! Let's forget about prohibition and the era when people had the balls to do something about a government decision they didn't agree with. It's legal!

Alcohol will kill a man much faster than cannabis, but I can't abuse it because it's legal, can I? Wrong. It becomes abuse when I use it as a safety blanket. Not when I pour myself a glass every now and then.

This, my MKO friends, is why the huge issue over cannabis drives me fucking nuts. I'll clone myself. I'll smoke bowls, my clone will take shots. Let's see who dies first.

Hey MKO, fun fact. Did you know that there is a warehouse that contains all the confiscated weed in it's area, and by the end of the year it is expected to contain 2 million pounds of cannabis? Did you know they plan on simply burning it when they reach this limit? It's bullshit. If we were to decriminalize (not legalize) cannabis here in the good ol' US of A, that warehouse by itself has the potential to rake in a few billion. Take the price of an ounce in your hometown. Multiply that by sixteen. Take that solution, and multiply it by two million. It's a big number,right? In that ONE warehouse? Damn. Keep in mind prices vary from place to place and decriminalization would also probably devalue it a bit, but regardless. Damn.

People doing drugs always tries to justify their ways when all in all, it just makes them bad persons to do drugs in the first place. People feeling the need to take something, just to make them feel a moment of blizz... I find that pathetic, no matter what it is they are taking. Be it drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, whatever...

This is just my opinion, of course. I'm not trying to tell people how they should live their lives. You can do whatever you want to, I don't really care. If you end up hurting anyone or dying in the process, then that's your problem, not mine. I was just stating my opinion about this topic, as it was asked by the OP. Then you can rage all you want about it, if you wish... It will just be a waste of time.

I don't see why it would change my opinion... I actually know several drug users, including some who use it for medicinal purposes. I have a friend who was on 12 different medications for a laundry list of ailments, and she is now down to three because she supplements it with marijuana. Hell, I signed a petition and voted yes for medical marijuana in our state (Arizona.) So no, it doesn't change my view on the person.

Yeah, all of these people were terrible and didn't contribute to society in ways more meaningful than you or I ever will:






I can go on this all day. Drugs do not make a bad person. I do not even believe in bad drugs, I believe that people can have bad and good relationships with drugs.

I live in California and smoke pot that *is* prescribed by a doctor.
How would you classify that?

And while it may not be for everyone,
it *does* have beneficial, medicinal effects.

I haven't had any panic attacks, and very little insomnia,
the whole time I've been a regular smoker
(though honestly- I use a vaporizer 90% of the time,
so I'm usually not even smoking).

Surprisingly,
It's also been of immense help in my career,
as I gave up alcohol over ten years ago,
and most people I work with (Hollywood)
think you're "square" if you're totally sober.
This can, sadly, affect things like promotions and layoffs and such.
If I didn't smoke, I wouldn't have the few friends I have in this business,
and finding and keeping work would be harder than it already is.
Sad, but true.

You're a she?

I'm not opposed to people smoking it, but if your friends are only friends because you do it and would look down on you for not, that's just as bad as looking down on someone for doing drugs.

Oh, the sweet rage...

Apparently, people here doesn't seem like they can accept my opinion about this topic. Well, too bad, not really my problem. But to be fair, I never said that there haven't been drug-abusers who haven't contributed to society. So don't try and put words in my mouth, Zero.

And drpvfx, no, I wouldn't say you are a drug abuser, as you say, you have it prescribed, so fair enough. I can respect that. I do find it sad that you have to do so though, and I also find it sad that smoking pot is actually benefitial to your career instead of people focusing on your talents and work which should be the reasons you get a job. But hey, the world is fucked up like that.

Anyways, I'll leave this thread now. I've said my piece.

OoOoOo it's getting tense again


...well, I don't completely agree with everything J-R is saying neither, but he is entitled to have his opinion....no need to try and convince him otherwise. It's not like he's trying to tell any of you how to live your lives. He just simply stated how HE felt about it.

^ I love your style^

I'm just saying that we all have our flaws, and sometimes we make bad choices, but overall if your trying to live a good life and kind to people I have no problem.

I just wanted to point out that their are people who have killed themselves on drugs, they weren't bad people but rather people with an addiction. You can't just call someone or some group trash, its never an all-inclusive term.

A little something like this.

Have your own opinion, yes.

But if you opinion is that EVEYONE who does drugs are losers, then, well...

That's just unfair. In all reality, there are a multitude of different stories about why people do drugs.

Bunching everyone together like that is a bit unfair.

I don't need to justify anything. I do it because I want to. Excuses are for the insecure. I wasn't raging. Just countering the flaws in your opinion with facts. You have a right to an opinion, although based on this very post it is clear how ignorant you really are. Either that, or you're one brilliant troll. I was never trying to rage, only have an intelligent conversation. If you're implying I'm a bad person because I smoke pot once every other month, you're ignorant. If you're implying only people who do drugs get hurt, you're ignorant. If you're completely straight edge (which is by no means wrong) and you're trying to justify your arguments with bogus myths that held true in the 60's because you've never been subjected to the substance yourself, you're ignorant. I'm not saying you should go out and smoke pot. Not at all, that would be childish and stupid on my behalf. I'm saying that those who make opinions based on ignorance are usually the ones who cause the greatest issues on this earth, and I don't mean great in a good way. Don't be offended. Ignorance isn't wrong. It's the lack of willpower to correct the ignorance that is wrong.

You know what's more pathetic than someone who ingests something for any given reason? (Caffeine included! OH SHHH-) Someone who implies their superiority over such a person when their egotistical viewpoints blind them to the true significance of their being. We are all people. Few of us do things that are relevant. All of us believe we are relevant. Thankfully, there are few enough people who have accepted the very truth that they are who they are, and their contribution to society greatly outweighs the contributions to themselves. Judging someone who is equally imperfect as the judge himself? That, my friend, is pathetic.

I do not expect to change your mind in any way with this post, it is now obvious how determined you are to believe someone who drinks or smokes occasionally is a "bad person." I'm posting this because maybe one day, if you ever happen to find out what a "bad person" really is, you may consider that morality expands beyond legality.

BTW, Abraham Lincoln smoked pot. What a horrible person he must have been!

"The illegality of cannabis is outrageous, an impediment to full utilization of a drug which helps produce the serenity and insight, sensitivity and fellowship so desperately needed in this increasingly mad and dangerous world."-Carl Sagan (another bad person)

With that, my opinion has obviously been stated. Dibs out.

I understand your reaction. No one likes to be told that what they do is wrong or being called losers for doing something they enjoy. But believe me, it is not ignorance that drives me to my conclusion. I know very well the consequences of being a drug abuser. I have been in the mid of it all, and as said, I have lost many people close to me due to drugs and alcohol. I feel blessed that there are some who have survived it and are no longer touching it, any of it.

I admit, I am being very harsh to people who do drugs, due to my strong opinion against it, but I do have my reasons for it. And it is not because I find myself perfect compared to drug-abusers... lords no, I am not near perfect, nor do I even believe in such a thing as perfection. I do believe that every human life is of equal worth - but not all are equal of my respect...

And I cannot respect people who willingly chooses to do drugs, because they "want to". It saddens me greatly that there are people like you who seem to even take pride in doing drugs. But if that is the path you wish to lead your life, then that is your choice. To me, you're just a stranger, you have no affect on my life what so ever, so whatever you do with your life is all up to you. Because, again, I am not trying to tell anyone how to live their lives.

I don't know what you have experienced in your life, if you have seen people die before your eyes because of something like drugs, someone you love accidentally OD'ing in front of you, and you just can't do a fucking thing about it... I don't know if you have lost a dear uncle, because he would rather spend his money on alcohol than the medicine he really needed, only to be found in his home, lying on the floor, lifeless... Or have a cousin who OD'ed on purpose, because he did not find his life worth living anymore...

I don't know if it was pot that triggered something in my friend's mind or whatever which caused him to become schizophrenic, but I do know that there was absolutely nothing wrong with him before he started smoking it. And he smoked ALOT of it. Every day for years... he turned skinnier, because he would rather smoke than eat something, and he couldn't live through a day without smoking something in the morning and several times every day, until he one day attacked his own brother whom he did not even recognize, because his mind was broken... If it wasn't because of the pot, then I don't know what the hell broke him.

Because of things like these, I find it so utterly disgusting that there are actually people out there who abuse drugs "because they want to"... I can't find any reason for me to respect any of them, no matter how much or how little they actually do abuse drugs. Not even if I wanted to. To me, it blurs out all the good stuff they might do in their lives. Sure, I can appreciate whatever good they might do, but cannot ignore the fact they are doing drugs.

If that means you find me ignorant or hateful or whatever, then that is just how it's going to be. I do hope, however, that you find an understanding of my reaction towards it now. If not, well... then I guess I poured my heart out on an MK fan forum for all to see without any reason.

(And yes, I know I said I would leave this thread and then still came back to post again, so if you feel the need to mock me because of that, then go ahead...)

Thank you

And trust me, I find the whole work situation 10x more fucked up than you do-
the fact that I don't drink has singlehandedly kept me from some jobs,
due to the fact I can't go to a bar and schmooze a potential employer
the way almost all of my peers can

The fact that I can connect with at least a *few* of them via pot
has helped me feel a little less "handicapped" in this regard,
but I agree 100% that this should be based on skill
and not how "fun" someone thinks you are

To be fair, not *all* of my friends and jobs have come from pot,
but several of them have.

Rest assured, I feel strange about this,
but I'm glad I'm able to make up for *some* of the opportunities
I miss out on for not drinking