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Remember what happened to Sub-Zero? Yeah...

Doesn't surprise me in the least. Aquaman has for the majority been comic relief. His inclusion, and playstyle had to serve some meaning in this game. I'd expect nothing less then top for all this characters troubles. Even so, I was looking forward to AM as well. But when MM is in the game. My roster will then be complete as he will be my Flagship character.

I've never cared for tiers. I pick a character I like and practise with that character until I feel I more or less got this character down right. And if I for some reason don't feel like the character's gameplay fits me, then I pick another character.

For example, from what I understand, Jade is very low-tier in MK, but that hasn't prevented me to play as her, practised with her and learning to use her. However, I'm no pro gamer, I don't do competetive play, I play for fun. I just like to know how my character works and be able to pull off some sweet moves.

I feel it is a bit sad that people choose a character depending on the "tier", because that means we will see ALOT of one or two characters online and none of the other characters. When playing online in MK, I saw alot of Scorpions and Kung Laos, when I played SSF4 online, I saw alot of Ryus, Kens and Sagats, and they were ALL doing the same thing! That's not fun. It's boring as hell! So I more or less stopped playing fighting games online.

He rolled down the hill from being one of the best characters in the game to being almost one of the worst and thus put Tom Brady through a real rollercoaster, but they eventually reunited lol.

MAINS CAST: Sub-Zero -> Kung Lao -> Sub-Zero -> Raiden -> Sub-Zero.

CAMEOS: Noob Saibot, Johnny Cage and Kano. (Am I missing anyone?)

Green Arrow will eventually crawl up the tier list. Rest assured. If not now, soon.

Yeah, I recall the Prima guide saying both Raiden and Shang where top tier. I played as them a lot online, but I didn't see a lot of other users using them. A lot of Kung Laos, Ermacs and Noob Saibots. The few players I did see using Raiden and Shang where terrible with them.

Also just because its rumored Aquaman will be top tier, doesn't mean he'll last as top tier. Usually the tier list changes once a game has been released and the community has had time to figure the game out. It also doesn't account for the fact that NRS could re-balance the game with a patch and change the whole tier list if characters are unbalanced.



If this is the case I could see him getting re-balanced and nerfed.

This post deserves an echo.

I don't go by tiers, and I think it's laughable when people flock to characters just because one guy says they are good.

Pick a character because you like them and they suit your tastes, not because Tom Brady, or REO, or whoever else likes them.

Exactly. ^^

despite what brady says there is no doubt that nrs went out of there way to turn aquaman from a joke to a bad ass though

i have to admit he looks amazing in regards to gameplay

This is the guy who said Sub Zero was the highest tier character in MK9 when it first came out.

He was wrong then. He'll probably be wrong about this too.

Sub Zero was never under any circumstances one of the top characters in MK9.

When the game was first released, Kung Lao and Cyrax were broken and way above everyone else. Kabal, Jax and certain others were also above SZ.

Brady is just full of shit and should go back to making his videos.

Anyone remember how the Prima Guide for MK9 was received?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQ40YT4c5Ik

I believe this was already addressed, but regardless Aquaman looks like a threat and I can't wait to get my chance to play.

Yeah, someone else got there first.

To be fair, I don't think Brady actually said he's top tier - just that he's maining him but I might be wrong. I don't follow the guy religiously like some people.

Oh boy...


I don't think your perspective is unhealthy, but I think your thesis about the low-tier players "having more fun" is WAY off. Three reasons:

A) winning, in of itself, is fun. To speak about tier-whores like they sold their souls to win is kinda baseless. They're having fun just like you. If you pity them, do so because of their tournament expenses.

B) You can like a character without deeming him/her your "favorite." Cyrax isn't my favorite, but I still love Cyrax. Him having 100% combos is just a bonus.

C) Tier-whores probably play the game more than you, and therefore are probably having more fun. Seriously, how many hours a week do you play Jade? If the question is "who is having the most fun playing MK9," I'm going to assume it's the people who play it more.

When I win against an opponent, it's awesome. When I win against a SMART opponent, an opponent who is reputable and has beaten skilled players alike, it is a feeling beyond description. You can't know what it's like until you've done it.

And I did it with my favorite character. Trust me guys, I know where ya'll are coming from, but it's not that black and white.


It depends on what you mean by top, but if NRS had let him keep his resets, he would have been top ten. He's not even that bad now; he just has some bad 7-3's.

Tom Brady thought Sub-Zero was top tier because (like all of us) he didn't understand how footsies worked in MK9. No one did. It was a brand new engine. However, this is a game he co-authored the guide for, and with the backdrop MK9's history, he may be onto something.
Also, not everything Brady said was wrong. He was sure as hell right about Sheeva.


The player who plays a character he hates because of tier rank is a myth. No one actually does that. Meta-Knight, Kabal, Third Strike Chun-Li... these are great characters. Is it so crazy that the person playing them to improve their chances may also like the characters themselves?

Just Wong's favorite character is Chun Li, but he doesn't use her because he doesn't like charge characters. People then asked him why he doesn't use Cammy or Fei Long, and he said "because I don't connect with them personally. I have to like character."

It's a balance, guys.

I was going to use Aquaman regardless.

Whoa, overreaction much? I never used words as "tier-whores" or said they were selling their souls, nor did I imply such. And I never implied that you liking a character meant it would have to be your favourite. Also, you say playing a game means having more fun... So quantity over quality? I play MK when I feel like playing and then enjoy it, I don't have to play it constantly to have more fun. I have more in life than MK and can have fun in many other ways than playing MK. And I do not need to win to have fun. I'm not competetive in nature, so I do not feel the need to be better than others to feel good about myself.

Oh, I'm not upset or anything. It's just a complicated point. There was a lot of write, lol.


Tier-whore is my term for them, but to me, tier-whore isn't a bad word. Kinda like "broken" wasn't originally a bad word until the new generation of gamers.


You're right. That was a misunderstanding on my part. I misread the part where you said you were said that people picked their character based on tier. Your reasoning was because of character saturation, but I read it as because their gaming experience was somehow deficient.

My points still stand though even if they don't apply directly to your post.


I don't think their missing out on the quality, though. I think by learning different levels of the game, they're getting more out of it.

Now if someone doesn't want to put in the time to get to that level, I get that. For all the time I put into fighting games, I could have learned another musical instrument. The time investment required for fighting games is overwhelming, and it's definitely not for everyone. My only point was the question of "who's getting more out of their experience."

Thank you for explaining in a less... aggressive manner. ^^

All in all, what I find fun is just not what those looking for tiers and are competetive in nature finds fun. I just didn't like to be beaten by every Kung Lao player doing the same combo again and again and again, or Ryu spamming Hadoukens at me, because then it wasn't fun for me to play the game. I have no qualms with losing matches, but I would also like to enjoy playing the game which is rendered impossible against those guys. I find it boring to play against people who repeats the same pattern over and over again, because they find it more efficient to win that way. Because to me, playing with others is not about winning or gaining points. Sure, I will do an effort to win, but it is not my main concern.

Edit: I found a better way to explain it!
It's like with music. I personally like to listen to different numbers of an artist or just generally listen to different kinds of music, whatever I am in the mood for. While I see those competetive players to be people who find one number they like and then they play that number over and over again...

It's always a challenge to manage tone on the internet. Until I re-read my post a second or third time, I can't gauge how it's going to come off.

What seems like aggression is actually passion. In the context of a disagreement, that can be easily misconstrued That kind of stuff always rubbed Pink Ranger the wrong way, and I guess that's why she left the site (or whatever it is that happened to her; no one ever gave me the full story).

I didn't see any agression in the first place, but anyways, yaaaaaaaay. Probably gonna see a butt load of AM now online for a while.

I disagree. Subby wasn't the best, but he was up there. Not only did he have massive damage resets but even more importantly (imo) other characters didn't have shittons of armor like they do now.

No way early Jax was better than early Sub-Zero. Jax is one of the characters who got buffed the most, he didn't have armor on his enhanced dash punch originally, he couldn't cancel his ground pounds and if I'm not mistaken his projectiles had more recovery frames.

Even now after all the buffs for Jax he's like upper mid-tier and Sub-Zero after all the nerfs is lower mid-tier. When you undo the changes they and other characters have gone through (like Reptile getting armor on his en. slide, Cage getting armor on his en. shadow kick, Sonya's en. cartwheel getting more frames of armor -> all these hurt Sub-Zero and his ice-cone game) there's no way original Jax was better than original Sub-Zero.

Also, saying Kung Lao and Cyrax were way above everyone else is debatable and probably not true because Kabal back then had a f+3, 2 ~ NDC infinite and we all know how good Kabal is without the infinite.

I agree with some of the sentiments here. I have much more respect for a player who sticks with a character he likes, even if said character is rarely picked for competitive play, than for a player who jumps on the top tier bandwagon.

I remember this one time during SSF4 main days, when Justin Wong and Daigo played an exhibition match where Daigo picked Guile. Now Guile wasn't a character that a lot of people played. Until Daigo managed to win one round, and than had the match end in a draw. It didn't take long for the Guile forum on srk.com to become the center of attention, even if it was just for a few days.

That's the dominant spirit of the FGC, it seems. See a pro owning it up with a certain character, and then try to imitate him.

Just like people all went to Kung Lao at the beginning of MK, I'm sure the character that will be played the most is the one that wins the first (couple of) tournament(s).

And here I am, still playing Sheeva and Quan Chi.