Tournament 2013: Who is the Supreme Mortal Kombat Champion?
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06/03/2013 03:34 PM EST
RazorsEdge701 Wrote:


Shinnok has NO god powers of his own anymore. He was stripped of those. They're gone. Every drop of supernatural ability he currently has as a character comes from the Throne of Hell. Which makes him master of the dead and resurrections and portals...but not much else.

Second, when he's holding the Fake Amulet, using its supposed powers, Quan Chi is always nearby using the real amulet to simulate those powers for him so he never notices the amulet's just a cheap piece of bronze.

That's how Shinnok lost MK4. Scorpion teleported Quan Chi away, so suddenly, Shinnok lost all his power without even noticing, and walked into the final battle thinking he was still omnipotent only to get creamed.


And there lies one hell of an awesome subplot to explore in the next game.

But considering Shinnok knew exactly what would happen with Shao Kahn and Raiden, he must have known Raiden was receiving visions. He may very well also know, this time around, of Quan Chi's deception, and may be planning ahead for the sorceror's doom.
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06/03/2013 04:27 PM EST
Riyakou Wrote:
But considering Shinnok knew exactly what would happen with Shao Kahn and Raiden


There's no real indication Shinnok and Quan Chi knew or predicted anything except "If Kahn gets desperate, you can convince him to invade and then profit from all the deaths until the Elder Gods shut him down."

Which is something they did in the old timeline too, they helped Kahn rez Sindel, knowing he'd fail in his play for Earth, and in the aftermath, the way would be clear to take their own shot.
That's not really knowing the future, or knowing about the other timeline or about Raiden's visions. That's just knowing how to manipulate Kahn's personality.
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06/03/2013 04:40 PM EST
RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Riyakou Wrote:
But considering Shinnok knew exactly what would happen with Shao Kahn and Raiden


There's no real indication Shinnok and Quan Chi knew or predicted anything...



Quan Chi's line, "Your plan worked to perfection, Lord Shinnok." does give a bit of an implication that Shinnok and Quan Chi knew what would happen.

Shinnok's plan was obviously for Shao Kahn to die, which didn't happen previously. Shinnok had to have known something.
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06/03/2013 04:56 PM EST
The plan that "worked to perfection" was convincing Kahn to invade Earth. The only end result they desired that is stated out loud in that scene was that in the aftermath, Earth and Outworld would both be left vulnerable to an attack from the Netherealm.

Which they would still be even if Kahn were merely weakened by a defeat at the hands of Liu Kang instead of killed by the Elder Gods. They never specified that he needed to die for the plan to work.

Like I said, I see no difference between their plotting in this timeline and their plotting in the old timeline. They just got more dead soldiers to work with this time around, to the tune of a dozen good guys instead of Mileena, Baraka, and Reptile. And that's Raiden's fault alone, Quan didn't do that shit.
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06/03/2013 05:33 PM EST
^^^ I too believe the Neatherrealm's plan was to strengthen first and then attack later just as the old timeline. Heck Noob was a spy in MK2 during his younger days in the brotherhood.

If you watch closely MK9 shows how Shinnock and his minions were plotting for a future assault - Quan Chi and Noob were dead giveaways.

SN: That's a 1up for Scorpion for teleporting/trapping Quan back in the Neatherrealm, thus allowing Shinnock to fall. I never looked at it that waysmile. SN: But how is it raiden's faultwowconfusedwow
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06/03/2013 05:35 PM EST
Gotta go with the first lady! She is my fav!
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RE: Tournament 2013: Who is the Supreme Mortal Kombat Champion?
06/03/2013 05:44 PM EST
corayfor Wrote:
But how is it raiden's fault


Two reasons:

1) Raiden killed Motaro to stop him from killing Johnny Cage. As a result, Shao Kahn made Sindel the new general and gave her all of Shang Tsung's power.

2) Raiden didn't save Sub-Zero from being turned into a robot. As a result, the Lin Kuei pledged loyalty to Shao Kahn and fought on his side during the invasion.

Thus, when Cyber-Sub-Zero defected to Raiden's side, Sektor and co. were able to track his location to the church. And Sindel went there and killed everybody.

So Quan Chi having a giant army of dead good guys was caused entirely by Raiden picking the wrong visions to change and Quan didn't cause any of it, he just got lucky.
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06/03/2013 07:22 PM EST
So Quan Chi having a giant army of dead good guys was caused entirely by Raiden picking the wrong visions to change and Quan didn't cause any of it, he just got lucky.


You are so right, man. Kudos to you. Yea watching Sub go down (again) was unbearable to watch, stupid Raiden. But on the flip side Sub helped to locate and disable the soulnado so that may prove to be a plus, or a big minus due to the essence of the "perfected" Noob Saibot, in the future.
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06/03/2013 07:42 PM EST
I don` ever likely Sonya,but she is better at this time at Kira,i`m a little bit watching Kira,strange character,just stay on one leg and this is it,Sonya is apsolutely better than this freak!!! smile
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06/03/2013 09:44 PM EST
i chose kira belive it or not. i kinda like her. and skarlite reminds me of her
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RE: Tournament 2013: Who is the Supreme Mortal Kombat Champion?
06/03/2013 11:03 PM EST
RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Quan Chi is always nearby using the real amulet to simulate those powers for him so he never notices the amulet's just a cheap piece of bronze.
That's a problem. Like he doesn't see that shit? That's some shit he should most definitely see.
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RE: Tournament 2013: Who is the Supreme Mortal Kombat Champion?
06/03/2013 11:33 PM EST

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06/03/2013 11:41 PM EST
I was about to make a joke about this "randomly" seeded tournament: Stay tuned for Jax vs. Hsu Hao. I guess I don't have to....

You guys are free to do this any way you please, but why bring it back and say you've randominzed the matches this time? Every match is still calculated for a certain outcome.
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06/04/2013 12:14 AM EST
phishstix17 Wrote:
I was about to make a joke about this "randomly" seeded tournament: Stay tuned for Jax vs. Hsu Hao. I guess I don't have to....

You guys are free to do this any way you please, but why bring it back and say you've randominzed the matches this time? Every match is still calculated for a certain outcome.


Why would that happen? How would it serve anyone, staff or otherwise, to calculate an outcome? The fact that there's no benefit should help convince you it isn't the case. That and basic integrity. But if it makes you feel any better, consider that MK has one of the most robust casts in fighting game history and a very large percentage of that cast is pretty well known, and...ya know...good. The probability of any character finding him or herself put up against one of the many "classics" of the series is pretty high.
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06/04/2013 12:31 AM EST
Like I said, it's not a big deal. But Sonya vs. her Evil counterpart, Jax vs. his evil counterpart, Sub-Zero vs. his MKD adversary, two female demons, 2 people selected to be the chosen one in MKD, and Shinnok and his sidekick is too coincidental for me. Especially because it then leads to Sub-Zero vs. his demon lover and Scorpion vs. the guy who killed his clan, then Sub-Zero vs. Scorpion.

Random would be: Ashrah vs. Baraka, Sub-Zero vs. Tanya, Quan Chi vs. Sheeva etc.

This comes off too calculated to me is all.

I mean, don't worry. I'm not losing sleep over this tournament or anything, haha. It just seems weird to paint it as random when it's clearly not.
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06/04/2013 01:38 AM EST
I voted Jax because C'mon Its friggin Jax. also.....




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RE: Tournament 2013: Who is the Supreme Mortal Kombat Champion?
06/04/2013 02:23 AM EST
phishstix17 Wrote:
Like I said, it's not a big deal. But Sonya vs. her Evil counterpart, Jax vs. his evil counterpart, Sub-Zero vs. his MKD adversary, two female demons, 2 people selected to be the chosen one in MKD, and Shinnok and his sidekick is too coincidental for me. Especially because it then leads to Sub-Zero vs. his demon lover and Scorpion vs. the guy who killed his clan, then Sub-Zero vs. Scorpion.

Random would be: Ashrah vs. Baraka, Sub-Zero vs. Tanya, Quan Chi vs. Sheeva etc.

This comes off too calculated to me is all.

I mean, don't worry. I'm not losing sleep over this tournament or anything, haha. It just seems weird to paint it as random when it's clearly not.
I mean all those results would still be the same. The same group of MKII characters will still be the most popular plus Ermac.
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RE: Tournament 2013: Who is the Supreme Mortal Kombat Champion?
06/04/2013 05:11 AM EST
Jax

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RE: Tournament 2013: Who is the Supreme Mortal Kombat Champion?
06/04/2013 05:56 AM EST
Voted Jax.
Though this tournament doesn't look random anymore. Even if outcome will be the same, it doesn't mean, that initial setup should be planned like this. There is nothing random, really.

RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
So Quan Chi having a giant army of dead good guys was caused entirely by Raiden picking the wrong visions to change and Quan didn't cause any of it, he just got lucky.

It's indirect Raiden's fault. It was not caused by stupidity, but simply by the fact, that future can change in most strange ways possible. Nobody could know what Kahn will do in case of Motaro's death.

As for Sub-Zero - it was already debated many times, that Raiden couldn't interfere there, because it happened right in front of Kahn and his minions. More than this - Kahn directly agrred for Lin Kuei terms and if Raiden interfered, he would directly go against Kahn and his minions. And the last thing, that Raiden needed at the moment was a full scale attack at his warriors and himself or Kahn declaring tournament "not valid" anymore.

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06/04/2013 07:11 AM EST
I'm glad characters are being matched up against each other based on story connections or similarities, but most of these match-ups are pretty one sided. I mean come on, Jax vs. Hsu Hao? Who do you think is going to win?

Obviously Jax.
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06/04/2013 08:28 AM EST
Hsu Hao... Just to go with the underdog.
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RE: Tournament 2013: Who is the Supreme Mortal Kombat Champion?
06/04/2013 08:28 AM EST
Ya'know, if you're ticked about how random these matches are, then vote for the less popular one to see if it makes a difference. I did it for Kira, despite that it didn't do anything. But if you're so confident in trying to change the results, then vote for the less popular one and see if it does anything.

Or, you know... just don't give a fuck about it and play the damn game.

Also, my vote goes to Jax, because this guy already said my reason:

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I voted Jax because C'mon Its friggin Jax. also.....




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RE: Tournament 2013: Who is the Supreme Mortal Kombat Champion?
06/04/2013 08:46 AM EST
Jax.
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RE: Tournament 2013: Who is the Supreme Mortal Kombat Champion?
06/04/2013 12:42 PM EST
Jackson Briggs.
Shao Kahn did nothing wrong
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RE: Tournament 2013: Who is the Supreme Mortal Kombat Champion?
06/04/2013 02:19 PM EST
Last few votes

Kira (Not a fan of either really but Sonyas worse)

Hsu Hao (I think he has potential as a character whereas Jax has always been a bit dull to me)

Not really surprised by any results so far. Tho at one point Shinnok was leading Quan Chi and I thought he might throw in a shock victory.