Karate would best fit. But which branch though?
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QueenSindel(TheBitch)
08/22/2007 05:40 PM (UTC)
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BloodSplatter-ChainsawMan Wrote:
But which branch though?

I don't know. Which ever branch he uses in the game, I guess.
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mkflegend
08/23/2007 01:08 AM (UTC)
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QueenSindel(TheBitch) Wrote:
What about Johnny Cage?

Imo, I think Karate is the best style for him simply because it's a very ordinary style and he's a very ordinary, or realistic, type of character. He's not some fantasy creature from a different realm who should have a style as unusual and extraordinary as that. He's just a martial arts movie star.

For that matter, he should have a simple, common, unbizarre style and Karate does an excellent job being that. The moves and stance are simple and don't appear very stealthy and tricky as I'm sure he isn't.

Jeet Kune Do also goes with him. The stance especially since it gives the carrier a very cocky feel. The moves weren't complexy tactical either.


I agree with you, Karate IMO fits Cage well. Judo I also kind of like for him as a second style.
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Sub-Zero_7th
08/23/2007 01:26 AM (UTC)
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For Johnny Cage, I think Shotokan is the best fit for him, imo. He is supposed to be largely based off of Jean Claude Van Damme, who is/was a practicioner of Shotokan. Also, I see Johnny Cage as that Karate type fighter, especially one who uses dynamic movements. The strange thing is that the "Karate" style in MKDA is much closer to actual Shotokan than the Shotokan style in the MK games.

However, I would like Johnny Cage's fighting stance to be Judachi instead of Zenkutsu Dachi, which is the stance mainly used in Shotokan and the one used for Shotokan and Karate in the MK games. Judachi is kind of a higher, narrower version of Zenkutsu Dachi, with the arms being positioned in a much similar way to how Johnny Cage's MK2 fighting stance is.

About Karate itself, it's actually a very generic term for a bunch of related styles. You have the Okinawan styles of Karate, such as Shorin Ryu and Goju Ryu, which are more well-rounded and are closer to their Chinese origins. Then there are the Japanese styles of Karate, such as Shotokan, which are generally more focused on striking and kicking techniques and have that kind of Japanese quality to them.

Jeet Kune Do is not really a fighting style but really more of a martial philosophy. The point of Jeet Kune Do is to rediscover one's individuality as a person and as a martial artist, absorbing and keeping what the individual feels is effective for him/her and discarding what isn't. It is emphasized to not restrict yourself though unfortunately, some people think that Jeet Kune Do means to do anything you want.

The "Jeet Kune Do" stance that was used in the MK games, as well as other fighting games, is not really even the stance that Bruce Lee used in actuality. That's really just something that he used in his movies.

But yeah, I'm definitely going more for Shotokan with Johnny Cage. I see him as someone using a more external style with dynamic movements and using more of striking and kicking techniques.
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mkflegend
08/23/2007 10:00 PM (UTC)
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Van Damme also mastered some Kick Boxing along with Muay Tai and Taekwondo also so I wouldn't mind seeing Cage with one of those, Muay Tai especially. Jax IMO doesn't fit Muay Tai that great, cage would be better with it.smile
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Sub-Zero_7th
08/24/2007 04:08 AM (UTC)
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mkflegend Wrote:
Van Damme also mastered some Kick Boxing along with Muay Tai and Taekwondo also so I wouldn't mind seeing Cage with one of those, Muay Tai especially. Jax IMO doesn't fit Muay Tai that great, cage would be better with it.smile


Actually, I think Muay Thai fits Jax, but I'm thinking of a particular form of Muay Thai called Muay Korat, which is from the eastern part of Thailand and uses powerful attacks. Muay Thai is very direct, aggressive, brutal, and militaristically used. The only thing is that Jax has that very buff kind of body type while Thai boxers have more of that lean muscled body. However, there is Lethwei, a Burmese style similar to Muay Thai, which is used by those that are taller and stronger and is less refined.

Tae Kwon Do is a Koreanized version of Shotokan with an emphasis on kicking techniques.
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08/24/2007 08:37 AM (UTC)
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Actually as the movie star tribute I think he is fine with a kobudo karate style and jeet kune do. On the other note, Liu Kang is supposed to be the master of the 5 animal style, which is Hsiang Hsing.

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Sub-Zero_7th
08/24/2007 05:02 PM (UTC)
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Actually as the movie star tribute I think he is fine with a kobudo karate style and jeet kune do. On the other note, Liu Kang is supposed to be the master of the 5 animal style, which is Hsiang Hsing.



Kobudo Karate? Is that a specific form of Karate as I thought that was more referring to the older styles of Karate?

Jeet Kune Do is NOT a fighting style. The point of Jeet Kune Do was to be free from the concept of styles or systems.

I thought that Hsiang Hsing Chuan imitated more than 5 different animals. I think you might be confusing it with Wu Xing Quan (5 form fist).
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QueenSindel(TheBitch)
08/25/2007 08:54 PM (UTC)
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Another character now.

Sektor.

I think a good style for him would be Shuai Chiao from Hsu Hao in Deadly Alliance.

I don't have a lot of ideas for Sektor but I imagine him using fast, powerful moves and few jabs. I'm not sure if the Shuai Chiao stance would suit him, but I think the moves would. I think a stance like the one for Sun Bin would go well with him.

Grace is something robots aren't known for so that's why I hate Kenpo for him.
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Sub-Zero_7th
08/25/2007 09:39 PM (UTC)
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QueenSindel(TheBitch) Wrote:
Another character now.

Sektor.

I think a good style for him would be Shuai Chiao from Hsu Hao in Deadly Alliance.

I don't have a lot of ideas for Sektor but I imagine him using fast, powerful moves and few jabs. I'm not sure if the Shuai Chiao stance would suit him, but I think the moves would. I think a stance like the one for Sun Bin would go well with him.

Grace is something robots aren't known for so that's why I hate Kenpo for him.


Well, Shuai Chiao is a style that uses a lot of grappling and throwing techniques, kind of like in Judo but without the groundfighting techniques.

To me, Sektor is a tough character in terms of choosing styles for. Perhaps he'd be good with the more militaristic styles of Kung Fu, such as Sun Bin Quan, Yuejia Quan, and Ba Fa Quan.

Ba Fa Quan is a Chinese martial art that was developed during the Qing Dynasty, when the Manchurians ruled China. It combines the techniques of styles like Fan Zi Quan, Xing Yi Quan, Tong Bei Quan, and others. It is a more militaristic style of Kung Fu, and it's a style that of course gives importance to practicality and effectiveness.

But yeah, overall, he's a tough character to come up with good styles for.
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08/26/2007 11:54 AM (UTC)
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Sub-Zero_7th Wrote:
Chrome Wrote:
Actually as the movie star tribute I think he is fine with a kobudo karate style and jeet kune do. On the other note, Liu Kang is supposed to be the master of the 5 animal style, which is Hsiang Hsing.



Kobudo Karate? Is that a specific form of Karate as I thought that was more referring to the older styles of Karate?

Jeet Kune Do is NOT a fighting style. The point of Jeet Kune Do was to be free from the concept of styles or systems.

I thought that Hsiang Hsing Chuan imitated more than 5 different animals. I think you might be confusing it with Wu Xing Quan (5 form fist).


-Kobudo karate is an assortment of karate styles within or associated with kobudo.

-not necessarily Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do. There are other JKD styles out there.

-it certainly does. It is also certainly 5 animals style when translated.

Kenpo for Sektor. If he migrated to the japanese from china, it is more than fitting. Or use the Tien Shan Pai.
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Sub-Zero_7th
08/26/2007 02:29 PM (UTC)
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When you mean Kobudo, what are you referring to exactly? Are you referring to term that is in regards to the use of various weaponry or are you referring to the term that simply identifies old/traditional martial arts?

Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do only represents what Bruce Lee does, hence the Jun Fan (his birth name) in it. Having other JKD styles completely defeats the point of JKD in the first place.

Hsiang Hsing Chuan/Xiangxing Quan is translated as Animal-Imitating Boxing, not 5 Animal Boxing.

Which form of Kenpo are you even talking about? If you're talking about Kenpo Karate, that is not Japanese, but it does draw Japanese influences. If you're referring to another form of Kenpo, please specify.
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08/27/2007 07:58 AM (UTC)
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Sub-Zero_7th Wrote:
When you mean Kobudo, what are you referring to exactly? Are you referring to term that is in regards to the use of various weaponry or are you referring to the term that simply identifies old/traditional martial arts?

Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do only represents what Bruce Lee does, hence the Jun Fan (his birth name) in it. Having other JKD styles completely defeats the point of JKD in the first place.

Hsiang Hsing Chuan/Xiangxing Quan is translated as Animal-Imitating Boxing, not 5 Animal Boxing.

Which form of Kenpo are you even talking about? If you're talking about Kenpo Karate, that is not Japanese, but it does draw Japanese influences. If you're referring to another form of Kenpo, please specify.


-bingo.

-remember what he told us about JKD being a boat? it must be a vessel to carry us forward t a point where we must leave it behind instead of carrying it on our back. There are plenty of different JKDs out there mostlz from his students.

-material plz.

-"ken pou" means chinese fightnig art in japanese in direct translation.
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Sub-Zero_7th
08/27/2007 01:37 PM (UTC)
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Which is it? It's either one or the other, Chrome. If it's the latter, then you're saying a whole lot of nothing.

Yes, of course there are different JKDs out there. Each person has their own, but it was never the point to teach it as a style in itself. Take Dan Inosanto for example. He teaches JKD concepts, not referring to it as a style or a system.

I still don't know where you get the idea that Xiangxing Quan refers specifically to just 5 animal Kung Fu.

Here's a bit material for you:

http://www.atlantamartialarts.com/styles/fiveanimals.htm

http://www.wuhsingchuan.com/

It's not much, but it should be enough to give you an idea as to what I'm talking about.

Again, you're not saying much of anything. Kenpo, when translated, can have a meaning that refers to Chinese martial arts, but it doesn't always. For example, there are some traditional Japanese martial arts that use the term Kenpo, such as Kukishin Ryu. In that particular tradition, Kenpo is a term that actually refers to sword fighting methods.

WIth Kenpo as hand-to-hand style, you're either referring to something from Okinawa (e.g. Kosho Ryu), Kenpo Karate, which is from the West, or something Japanese that had some influence from a Chinese martial art. It seems that you're referring to the third thing, but even then, you're still being vague.
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08/27/2007 02:36 PM (UTC)
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Man, I haven’t been around for ages. HELLO to all my great friends who are posting here.

I have to fly, so I will post some of my thoughts quite quickly:

*Reptile*

SOOOO cute (lol) and deadly with Crab. IMO, that was one of the best and most trickiest styles. Plus the overall pose and look fitted Reptile so great, and made him look hilarious and awesome at the same time. I really liked that style. Very cool. Only Reptile could pull off that look!

*Rain*

For some reason, Eagle Claw came to my mind when thinking Rain. Probably because I like the whole elegant and diplomatic look he has, and still be an evil traitor. Im not sure, but that style could be good for him, though I agree it does look a bit feminine in the game.

*Mileena*

I loved and enjoyed both. I cant really pick one, I know Mian Chuan is pretty good, but I had loads of fun with Ying Yeung.

I honestly don’t know why one suits her better, I guess I would go with the more fierce one.

*Reiko*

A very offensive style. I don’t know much about styles, but if I think Reiko, I think something very aggressive that involves loads of kicks. He feels like the sort of agile fighter. Very talented with kicks, not really too much use of punches.

*Ermac*

I enjoyed the primary one he had in MKD. Suits him perfectly (it was the same in MKA right? Or am I wrong?).

*Sub-Zero*

Dragon NO doubt. Looks awesome, plays awesome, suits him great.

That’s it for now. I will post more later!

*Sektor*

I love Kenpo, its just a very fun and agile style. But yeah, I too thought it was way too graceful for Sektor...but then I thought: if his techniques were considered to be graceful, then maybe that would nicely set him apart from the other robots.

That’s what I thought when I played with him. At first sight Kenpo doesn’t feel right, but I did admit that it would be awesome that a character as evil and twisted as he is, could actually be a very graceful and elegant fighter. It’s a nice contrast, specially because the other 2 cyborgs don’t do that.

Sometimes, that sort of contrast suits some characters pretty well. Thats why I enjoyed Kenpo for Sektor. And I would had liked something more agile in kicks, for example, for Reiko.
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QueenSindel(TheBitch)
08/31/2007 03:21 AM (UTC)
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Now for the dark Vampire.

I definitely feel Leapord is the best for her. The stance and moves fit perfectly.

Also, for Nitara, I really think Mi Zong would look great on her. I can just imagine that as her alternate fighting style.

Fu Jow Pai also suited her very well, but I think Mi Zong might go better for her than that.
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Sub-Zero_7th
08/31/2007 04:38 AM (UTC)
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QueenSindel(TheBitch) Wrote:
Now for the dark Vampire.

I definitely feel Leapord is the best for her. The stance and moves fit perfectly.

Also, for Nitara, I really think Mi Zong would look great on her. I can just imagine that as her alternate fighting style.

Fu Jow Pai also suited her very well, but I think Mi Zong might go better for her than that.


I agree about Leopard being the best for her. It's a style that emphasizes being cunning and tactical, which fits Nitara quite nicely. I do think that Fu Jow Pai suits her nicely as well, but I think that should go to Jade, imo.

As for Mi Zong Quan, I think that would go best with someone like Havik, namely because Mi Zong Quan is a style that uses very bizarre, confusing movements and is quite unpredictable.
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QueenSindel(TheBitch)
08/31/2007 06:07 PM (UTC)
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Fu Jow Pai for Jade? That seems too rough and stiff-looking for her, IMO. I'd much prefer smooth and stealthy styles for Jade. I think Lui He Baf would suit her, in addition to Fan Zi, because of its smooth elegance and effective swiftness.
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Sub-Zero_7th
08/31/2007 06:55 PM (UTC)
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QueenSindel(TheBitch) Wrote:
Fu Jow Pai for Jade? That seems too rough and stiff-looking for her, IMO. I'd much prefer smooth and stealthy styles for Jade. I think Lui He Baf would suit her, in addition to Fan Zi, because of its smooth elegance and effective swiftness.


The stiffness is due to the poor quality of the fighting system. I think Fu Jow Pai would go nicely with Jade, because the stance resembles her UMK3/MKT stance and it seems to be a fast, aggressive style, which I feel suits Jade's gameplay style. Fan Zi Quan is also good for Jade as it uses fast strikes, joint-locks, tumbling and acrobatic techniques and is a linear, close-ranged style. But for Liu He Ba Fa, I think that's fine for Li Mei. I see Jade using more of the Waijia (external family) styles.
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mkflegend
09/02/2007 10:42 PM (UTC)
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Sub-Zero_7th Wrote:
mkflegend Wrote:
Van Damme also mastered some Kick Boxing along with Muay Tai and Taekwondo also so I wouldn't mind seeing Cage with one of those, Muay Tai especially. Jax IMO doesn't fit Muay Tai that great, cage would be better with it.smile


Actually, I think Muay Thai fits Jax, but I'm thinking of a particular form of Muay Thai called Muay Korat, which is from the eastern part of Thailand and uses powerful attacks. Muay Thai is very direct, aggressive, brutal, and militaristically used. The only thing is that Jax has that very buff kind of body type while Thai boxers have more of that lean muscled body. However, there is Lethwei, a Burmese style similar to Muay Thai, which is used by those that are taller and stronger and is less refined.

Tae Kwon Do is a Koreanized version of Shotokan with an emphasis on kicking techniques.


Yeah, that's kind of why I felt why it would fit Cage better personally for the reason you said concerning the slender body type. I'm sure you've seen kick boxer right? I think if Jax were to go up against Cage under the same training, IMO Cage would beat him due to more maneuverability being slender and all.

My mistake Muay THAI lol. I noticed you're the only one that really corrects people with the spelling of the styles. I can tell you follow a lot of that stuff.

I'll be back to post more views on the styles for Sektor and Nitara since I have to eat dinner now.

But for Sektor

I like Kira's Style for him, the one they gave him. Damn, forgot the name of the style lol. But I think it fits him well, even though it seems a bit femanine personally lol. More fluid, to me anyway. Not Kenpo is it?

For Nitara, I definitely like Fu Jow Pai for her. It just fits her well, the claw like stance, how unique it looks fits Vampire people perfectly IMO.

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Sub-Zero_7th
09/03/2007 03:01 AM (UTC)
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Keep in mind that there are different styles of Muay Thai, each having their own attributes. I think that a particular type of Muay Thai, such as Muay Korat, would fit someone like Jax, while something like Muay Paa Klang could fit Johnny Cage or even Sonya. Even with Jax's body type, he could still use the different Muay Thai styles nicely. I just picture Johnny Cage as being more of that Karateka though that's not to say that I think Karate styles are the only ones I think suit him. Like I said, another style I think would be good for him would be Tang Soo Do, even though it is largely derived from either or both Shotokan and Goju Ryu or at least has a lot of similarities to them.

Sektor used Kenpo Karate in MKA. The whole "feminine" aspect of the Kenpo is style is just a horribly stupid mistake made by Carlos Pesina, who must've been joking or something when doing that stance. According to a friend of mine who studied Kenpo, that stance is nonexistant in Kenpo.
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mkflegend
09/03/2007 07:24 PM (UTC)
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Sub-Zero_7th Wrote:
Keep in mind that there are different styles of Muay Thai, each having their own attributes. I think that a particular type of Muay Thai, such as Muay Korat, would fit someone like Jax, while something like Muay Paa Klang could fit Johnny Cage or even Sonya. Even with Jax's body type, he could still use the different Muay Thai styles nicely. I just picture Johnny Cage as being more of that Karateka though that's not to say that I think Karate styles are the only ones I think suit him. Like I said, another style I think would be good for him would be Tang Soo Do, even though it is largely derived from either or both Shotokan and Goju Ryu or at least has a lot of similarities to them.

Sektor used Kenpo Karate in MKA. The whole "feminine" aspect of the Kenpo is style is just a horribly stupid mistake made by Carlos Pesina, who must've been joking or something when doing that stance. According to a friend of mine who studied Kenpo, that stance is nonexistant in Kenpo.


I see what you're saying about the Muay Thai stuff.

As for the Sektor style, Kenpo well since there is no "stance" for the style I understand why they did that but I think he could have made up a better "stance" instead of a dancing like stance lol. It's ok, seen worse looking styles outside of MK in general that look odd.

I always watched the chinese people near my park do tai chi, like Kenshi I always thought that style looked a bit awkward even though I'm sure they were doing a "kata" form of it.

BTW, do you take martial arts? or just love studying it?
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Sub-Zero_7th
09/03/2007 08:18 PM (UTC)
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Fighting stances are existant in Kenpo Karate, but it's just that the one in the MK games is inaccurate.

Most likely, the Chinese people you saw were doing only the Qigong aspects of Tai Chi and not really the martial aspects. Either that or they simply don't know about or don't care about them. That's sad, because Tai Chi Chuan has always been a martial art from its beginnings and for the martial aspects of it to be watered down and/or gradually eliminated, destroys the art. Not too long ago, I got a book on the Chin Na (seizing and controlling) aspects in Tai Chi Chuan, and it was said that although it's a style that uses a lot of Chin Na, some of those techniques were lost. I'm not sure if it applies to all styles of Tai Chi Chuan or just a specific kind, but the point is that Tai Chi Chuan should not lose its martial side.

I have taken martial arts, but only for a bit. I hope to return to it someday. I like to research on different kinds as well.
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QueenSindel(TheBitch)
09/04/2007 03:18 AM (UTC)
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Since we kinda started talking about Jade, let's just do her next.

I think Fan Zi is definitely the best for Jade. From the lady-like stance to the tricky and indirect moves, it definitely suits her very well.

The reason why I wouldn't want Fu Jow Pai for her isn't just because it looks stiff, but because the moves don't have the stealthy feel to them. She's been established as a highly stealthy and evasive spy, and so she should have a style that shows that. Fu Jow Pai seems to direct and unsurprising for her, imo. I imagine should would utilize fast and small attacks as oppose to Fu Jow Pai's fast and large ones.

Kuo Shou was also I nice style for her, except I really wish they would get women to do motion capture for fighting styles that are gonna be used by female characters. Kuo Shou makes her move manly at times.

Overall, I would like styles for Jade that utilize fast and small, yet effective moves. In addition, she shouldn't look like butchty doing them. lol
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Sub-Zero_7th
09/04/2007 12:43 PM (UTC)
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Actually, Fanziquan is a very direct style, one that uses rapid fast strikes, tumbling, and acrobatic techniques as well as a lot of Chin Na (seizing and controlling). It is a style that influenced the creation of Ying Jow Pai (Eagle Claw).

Like I said before, some styles looking stiff are more of a fault to the way they did the animations as opposed to the styles themselves. Like Fanziquan, Fu Jow Pai also uses rapid fast strikes and is an agile and powerful style.

I personally feel that Jade is better suited with something more linear anyway. Perhaps a made up style based off of a fusion of Fu Jow Pai and Fanziquan could work.

Kuoshu (National Art) is one of the many generic terms to refer to Chinese martial arts but not a specific style like Hung Gar or Choy Li Fut.

What do you mean by "fast, small moves" exactly? If you mean short-ranged techniques, both Fanziquan and Fu Jow Pai are what you'd be looking for. Indirect moves, on the other hand, you'd have to look for something else.
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