By fast and small, I mean fast jabs and ambush-like strikes.

Fan Zi doesn't look direct to me. I mean moves like her 2,2,1 combo look as is she's trying to confuse the person with strategy and the simultaneous use of both hands and feet.

Fu Jow Pai looks fast, but the moves do seem direct to me. Just straightforward kicks and punches, even a stance that makes the person look wide open and unsneaky, while Fan Zi has a more methodical look to its strikes with the wierd movements and all.

Now, you know more about fighting styles than I do, obviously, but this is just what I gather about these styles from the MK games. That's how they look like to me.

Anyway, I don't see why you wouldn't want Jade to have an indirect style being the stealthy and evasive kombatant that she is. It would make more sense if she did, but I suppose you have your reasons.

With fast strikes, both styles will have that. For ambush-like strikes, I have no idea...

I'm just going by the descriptions from what I've read on some of these styles. My knowledge is actually very, very limited. Only from actual training experience can I get a much better idea.

I guess me wanting Jade to fight more directly kind of comes from playing against her CPU in UMK3 and MKT, in which I get more of that fast, aggressive vibe. I also like the stance she has in those games, which the Fu Jow Pai stance reminds me of. I could see her with Tiger-type techniques. Maybe her weapon style can take a more indirect approach as opposed to the more direct approach often used in the Japanese style of staff fighting.

I never use Jade so with the exception of her staff style, I have no idea what she has.

She was a beast in MKD...but toned down dramatically in MKA.

Whatever style she lost in MKA, that was in MKD that style is perfect for Jade IMO.

It just fit her so well, her look, a very mature style to fit her character IMO.

What's the name of it again? lol

I could just go look in my MKD book but I'm too lazy getting home from work lol.

The style you're referring to is Kuoshu, which is incorrectly spelled Kuo Shou in the MK games. It's not really an actual martial arts style but is instead of the many many generic terms to refer to Chinese martial arts. It's basically like saying Kung Fu or Wushu. It doesn't refer to a specific style.

I miss "Kuo Shou" for Jade, except for the butchy movements, like I said, thanks to male MC models for female-assigned styles.

Okay, what about Mavado.

I do think Long Fist suits him nicely. I also think San Shou from DA might be good for him too. Also, Yue Chuan, but definitely Long Fist is a great match for him, especially how it looks on his alt costume.

I think Long Fist suits Mavado as well. The thing is with Long Fist (Changquan) and Southern Fist (Nanquan), it's kind of a tricky matter to discuss as there are different views on it. Some say that those terms are modern terms. Some say that Changquan and Nanquan are specific styles while others say that they are the combination of different styles from the Northern and Southern regions or that they are terms that refer to a group of related styles from those regions. I think various Long Fist styles would suit him well. To me, he's the kind of character that I can see using more of the Northern Kung Fu styles.

Yeah, Long Fist fits Mavado pretty well IMO. It fits his character and look.

For weapon though, no, no I never had liked him and never will like him with Hookswords, Kabal's weapon and he's the only one in the MK games that should have them.

He also looks more badass with the Hookswords then Mavado does IMO.

I agree about the hookswords. They don't look good on him and should be exclusive to Kabal.

In a way, the Hookswords do suit Mavado better as he's using a Northern Chinese martial art and the Hookswords are used in some styles of Northern Chinese martial arts. There's also the strangeness of a Black Dragon thug wielding such weapons. However, yes, Kabal should've been the only one with Hookswords in MKA while Mavado wields a different weapon. I actually think that the Broadswords would go well with Mavado.

Havik's turn.

I really like Tang Soo Do for him. Snake was also good for him. It's hard to imagine him with other styles since he really needs styles that capture that creepy and mysterious feel.

To me, the two styles that I know of that would be good for Havik could be Mizongquan and Boziquan. Mizongquan (Long Track Fist) is known for its unpredictability and bizarre movements, confusing the opponent as a means of gaining an upper hand. Boziquan (Cripple Fist) is a style that imitates someone being crippled as a means of deceiving the opponent. Both of these styles happen to be quite rare, especially Boziquan.

I wish that his weapon was more of a flail as it would have that more fluid and chaotic feel to it, especially if it were to have more than one spiked ball, kind of like this.

i think snake is good cuz usually in some places snakes mean death (havik zombieish dead freak) so do you get me also snake has good combos and at the same time fast and painful so if he did a combo on let say subby it would probably take him 2-3 secs to get back up but thatys enof to sdo another combo or pop-up if im wrongso0meone tell me please...

Hm...to me, Snake seems to fit Shang more than it fits Havik. Tang Soo Do fits well for the cleric. And, Subby the 7th, good idea on the weapon.

Ooh, boziquan sounds perfect for him. A crippled-ish style? Excellent for the walking corpse.

Is the mizongquan you're talking about the same as the Mi Zong that Li Mei uses?

Yeah, the Boziquan practicioner imitates someone who is crippled, handicapped, things like that. I will be bringing Havik back, but I won't be giving it to him for reasons you'll see once I get more of the bios coming along. I'm not sure if the Mizongquan used in MK is Yanqing Quan. If it is, then yes, it's the same style I'm talking about. Usually, it is more common to see Mizong Luohan Quan as opposed to Mizongquan by itself. Mizong Luohan Quan (also known as My Jhong Law Horn Kuen) is basically a combination of Mizongquan (Lost Track Fist) and Luohan Quan (Arhat Fist).

Another style that might be able to suit Havik could be Lost Monkey, one of the 5 sub-styles of Tai Sheng Men, and Lost Monkey constantly moves, utilizes confusing footwork and psychological tactics.

Havik is one of those characters I honestly have no idea which style would fit him best, I'd say Snake but Shang looks good with it.

ehh, I'll go with his current style in MKA.

No more characters?

Well, I hope she does do more characters. I personally look forward to it.

Since you guys insist.... lol

Scorpion: the most beloved character... by men.

To be honest, I don't think hapkido is a good fit for him. I mean, it's alright, but being the powerful little hoe that he is, he should have a more amusing style. Hapkido seems terribly direct and simple for him.

I'm not sure what style would suit him, but the moves and stance and all that should appear more interesting and powerful. It looks like if he's just going at it and not using his brain.

I don't mind Hapkido for him. I just think something bigger, more indirect, and less simple-looking would suit MK's bigshot.

Maybe something like Ba Shan Fan. I don't know. He's tough for me.

I personally feel that they should have reconstructed the Taijutsu of Shirai Ryu, drawing influence from the real-life remaining martial traditions associated or closely associated to the historical Ninja, such as Koto Ryu, Togakure Ryu, Kumogakure Ryu, etc. I see Scorpion as being more direct and aggressive, so I can see a strong Koppojutsu influence as well as Jutaijutsu.

If they were to go with a still existing real life style, I would say either Koto Ryu, Kumogakure Ryu, and maybe even Gyokushin Ryu.

Koto Ryu is a style that specializes in Koppojutsu (methods of manipulating the opponent's bone structure), using a lot of direct, close-ranged techniques, especially with striking. It is not a Ninjutsu tradition, but it is a martial tradition closely connected to them. Origin-wise, it's hard to say for sure, but apparently, it came from China through Korea by a warrior named Chan Busho. It was formalized in the 16th century by Toda Sakkyo Isshinsai, who learned Gyokko Ryu Shitojutsu from Sakagami Taro Kunishige. Koto Ryu happens to have an unusual form of Kenjutsu.

Kumogakure Ryu is one of the three remaining Ninjutsu traditions, and it was founded by Heinaizaemon Iga no Ienaga or something like that. Taijutsu-wise, it is similar to Togakure Ryu. Kumogakure Ryu is known for its use of the Kamayari (sickle spear) as well as the Ninja of that tradition to wear demon masks and armored sleeves.

Gyokushin Ryu is another one of the three remaining Ninjutsu traditions and it was founded by Sasaki Goemon Teruyoshi. Taijutsu-wise, it is very similar to Gyokko Ryu, even with its Ichimonji no Kamae (a defensive posture), using Koshijutsu (methods of striking the opponent's vital areas) and Shitojutsu (methods of striking with fingers, thumbs, and toes). Teruyoshi was supposedly one of the Soke (Grandmaster) of Gyokko Ryu, so it's not that surprising for there to be similarities between the Taijutsu of both styles. Gyokushin Ryu uses a lot of Sutemi Waza (sacrifice techniques), a Nagenawa (lasso), and is a tradition that really focuses a lot more on Ninjutsu (methods of stealth and espionage) itself than Taijutsu. I have heard that Gyokushin Ryu can also be aggressive, utilizing Koppojutsu.

But still, I'd rather they reconstruct Shirai Ryu Taijutsu by drawing influences from those martial styles. The same should go for his weapon style, with his sword needing changes in design, use, and placement.



Hapkido uses both direct and indirect techniques as it draws influence from Tae Kyon (supposedly), a Korean striking and kicking martial art, and Daito Ryu, a Japanese martial art that uses a lot of throws, grapples, circular movements, etc.

Ba Shan Fan (a.k.a. Fanziquan) is a direct style that uses tumbling, acrobatics, rapid fast strikes, joint-locks, etc.

I actually think that Scorpion, given his aggressive nature, should use something more direct.

These all sound good for him. I can't actually tell though unless I see him with them. And I also see him as the aggressive type, being the roughhead that he is. I suppose a direct style would suit him as long as the moves don't look as simple as Hapkido's.

I'm sure that Hapkido has simpler and more complex techniques, just like with any other martial art. Hapkido does have its sophistication as it blends in the hard techniques with the soft, the linear with the circular, strikes and kicks with joint-locks, pressure point attacks, and throws.

Hmmm, I like Scorpion with Hapkido but wouldn't mind seeing him with say Karate.

Perhaps an offensive varitation of Karate, Karate is usually more counter/defensive isn't it? From what I read about the style that's the impression I got.

Karate is a blanket term for a bunch of related styles. You have the Okinawan styles of Karate, most of which are the older ones, such as Shorin Ryu, Goju Ryu, etc. They are usually the more well-rounded styles of Karate and are closer to their Chinese origins. Then you have the Japanese styles of Karate, such as Shotokan, Shito Ryu, and Wado Ryu. They are generally more direct and generally focus more on striking and kicking, usually lacking a lot more of the grappling techniques found in the Okinawan styles of Karate.

For Scorpion to use a style of Karate is very kinda...meh...I mean, he's supposed to be the only the character in MK that's from a Japanese Ninja clan, so you would think that they would have their own Taijutsu. I guess some aren't aware of Ninpo Taijutsu and simple think Karate, Tae Kwon Do, Hapkido, things like that for Scorpion, which doesn't make as much sense as having the Taijutsu of his clan. Even a non-Ninja related traditional Japanese martial art would be more acceptable than having Hapkido, Tae Kwon Do, or some form of Karate.

Ehh, Scorpion like everyone else is a fictional character when it comes down to it anyway. I see what you're saying but you're also talking about him as if he's almost real Since he's ficitional, I think there's a certain level of flexibility there IMO.

Since some variations of Karate is japanese, wouldn't that make sense for him for have that since he is Japanese originally? Or some form of it. Something japanese that's aggressive.