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Sub-Zero_7th
09/22/2007 09:01 PM (UTC)
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Yeah, perhaps as you said in the MK universe Aikido is a mandatory style that all their members must master or perhaps train whatever.

Obviously, we don't know which styles exactly each clan, group teaches and trains in this case the Black Dragon but I'm actually a bit surprised every member doesn't have Dragon, I know Jarek has Dragon in MKA which IMO was an interesting move. It fit him well as far as I'm concerned. I know Sub had that style(probably because of the Dragon Medallion partially) I think Dragon fits Jarek well.

But yeah onto Kano again, he should definitely have something aggressive on top of his clan training.


Well, just because the clan is called the Black Dragon doesn't mean it has to have Dragon-related styles. It seems to have origins in Japan, so I could see more Japanese styles being taught. So because of this, I could see Kano using Shootfighting, which is a direct and brutal style that is very similar to the stuff seen in MMA.

Dragon for Jarek was kinda meh. I find it to fit better on Sub-Zero and not just because of his Dragon Medallion. When the thread gets to him, I'll talk about my style ideas for him.
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mkflegend
09/22/2007 09:11 PM (UTC)
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Sub-Zero_7th Wrote:
mkflegend Wrote:
Yeah, perhaps as you said in the MK universe Aikido is a mandatory style that all their members must master or perhaps train whatever.

Obviously, we don't know which styles exactly each clan, group teaches and trains in this case the Black Dragon but I'm actually a bit surprised every member doesn't have Dragon, I know Jarek has Dragon in MKA which IMO was an interesting move. It fit him well as far as I'm concerned. I know Sub had that style(probably because of the Dragon Medallion partially) I think Dragon fits Jarek well.

But yeah onto Kano again, he should definitely have something aggressive on top of his clan training.


Well, just because the clan is called the Black Dragon doesn't mean it has to have Dragon-related styles. It seems to have origins in Japan, so I could see more Japanese styles being taught. So because of this, I could see Kano using Shootfighting, which is a direct and brutal style that is very similar to the stuff seen in MMA.

Dragon for Jarek was kinda meh. I find it to fit better on Sub-Zero and not just because of his Dragon Medallion. When the thread gets to him, I'll talk about my style ideas for him.


I know I'm just saying, they might have done that to add zest to storyline "Black Dragon" Dragon it's kind of cool.

Since there's no style called Black Dragon. The style looked good on Sub, but IMO doesn't look bad for Jarek. The type of warrior he is I like it for Jarek. I like Sub having Shotokan though, it's a pretty cool style.

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Sub-Zero_7th
09/22/2007 09:15 PM (UTC)
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I don't particularly like Shotokan on Sub-Zero as it's a more aggressive, linear style that focuses a lot more on strikes and kicks. If he's going to have a style of Karate, I'd rather see him use an Okinawan style called Uechi Ryu, which is more balanced of hard and soft techniques and contains animal techniques of the Dragon, Tiger, and Crane.
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mkflegend
09/23/2007 05:58 PM (UTC)
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I like it for Sub, it looks good on him personally IMO. Then again, I don't really use him so ultimately it makes no difference to me that much. From his origins though I can understand him having something ancient chinese or something.
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QueenSindel(TheBitch)
09/24/2007 01:32 AM (UTC)
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Since we're talking about people who should have made-up styles to match with their special origin, organization, etc., lets talk about the Shokan.

I've decised to discuss all of them (Sheeva, Goro, and Kintaro) at once since I feel that real fighting styles would not suit them. They are monstrous creatures with 4 arms. I hardly think normal-human styles could suit them since we're taught to fight with only 2 legs and 2 arms. Therefore, I think Shokans would have fighting styles that teach them to utilize their 4 arms in special ways. That would a realistic approach.

I like how they gave Goro "Shokan" in MKU/MKA and I think all Shokans should have special styles like that.

What I hate about Sheeva's "Kuatan" is that it's mostly (or entirely) composed of different fighting moves already in other fighting styles present in the game. I don't think she had anything new.

Anyway, I think all Shokans should have specialized fighting styles that only such a species would be equipped to use what with their 4 arms and monstrous size and strength.

I don't think the Shokans received styles too fitting for them in MKA. The 4 arms should have been used more intricately instead of the linear way were. I think some interesting, creative moves could be made for someone with 4 arms.
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mkflegend
09/24/2007 03:17 AM (UTC)
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Ehh, I was satisified for the most part with their styles(made up) for MKA. I mean, some of the big baddies didn't have any at all which makes sense in MOB's case(short for Moloch, Onaga and Blaze.


They did that correctly, giving them a style would have been dumb.

Now, as for Shokans... Goro it didn't matter to me if he his weapon or not honestly as a weapon. So, I'm neutral on him.

Kintaro I felt the Dragon Teeth fit him well( I think that was his weapon style) and had no problem with him overall.

Sheeva's I liked a lot with her Shokan Blades, and Kuatan styles. They did a good job with her IMO. Someone with 4 arms isn't going to practice a style of Karate, Kick boxing or something so it's only logical to give them a more homeworld or brute made up style.

The Shokans were done well for the most part IMO, Goro and Kintaro I kind of feel neutral but Sheeva was done well IMO. I use her online, offline and her styles fit her well as far as I'm concered.
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Sub-Zero_7th
09/24/2007 03:36 AM (UTC)
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Ok, the Shokan characters. Well, I think the styles themselves fit them in their names, though for Kintaro, I would've used a Japanese influenced name like Moko Ken (Angry Tiger Fist). In terms of techniques and stances, it's rather cheap in the sense that they all pretty much have the same looking stance.

I would've liked them to have something much like their old school fighting stances. That would've been neat. I agree with QS(TB) in that they should've made more use of their 4 arms instead of recycling various moves and slapping it on together.

Technique-wise, I imagine them using a lot of striking and grappling techniques. I could probably see Sheeva using more kicks than Goro and Kintaro and being the most nimble of the three. I think she can kind of get away with using certain Indian martial arts, such as Kalaripayattu. For Goro and Kintaro, maybe they could use some from of wrestling. I don't know.

Overall, there really isn't all that much to say about them.

One thing I want to add is that it's not just the styles for the monstrous characters and even weapons like Sub-Zero's Kori Blade that are made up, but styles like Kuo Shou are made up.

To mkflegend: Kintaro's weapon style is called Saber Teeth.

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QueenSindel(TheBitch)
09/24/2007 05:00 AM (UTC)
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Sub-Zero_7th Wrote:
I could probably see Sheeva using more kicks than Goro and Kintaro and being the most nimble of the three.

Yeah, that's how she was in MK3 - MKT. She was more agile than Goro and Kintaro, so I can imagine her being the faster fighter.

I liked in MK3 how some of her combos used punch after punch with one set of arms. That's what I mean about them using their 4 arms with specialty and creativity.

However, for MKA, I think it should have been more creative than that. I mean with 4 arms, there are so many neat combos one can come up with.
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mkflegend
09/24/2007 09:22 PM (UTC)
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Sub-Zero_7th Wrote:
Ok, the Shokan characters. Well, I think the styles themselves fit them in their names, though for Kintaro, I would've used a Japanese influenced name like Moko Ken (Angry Tiger Fist). In terms of techniques and stances, it's rather cheap in the sense that they all pretty much have the same looking stance.

I would've liked them to have something much like their old school fighting stances. That would've been neat. I agree with QS(TB) in that they should've made more use of their 4 arms instead of recycling various moves and slapping it on together.

Technique-wise, I imagine them using a lot of striking and grappling techniques. I could probably see Sheeva using more kicks than Goro and Kintaro and being the most nimble of the three. I think she can kind of get away with using certain Indian martial arts, such as Kalaripayattu. For Goro and Kintaro, maybe they could use some from of wrestling. I don't know.

Overall, there really isn't all that much to say about them.

One thing I want to add is that it's not just the styles for the monstrous characters and even weapons like Sub-Zero's Kori Blade that are made up, but styles like Kuo Shou are made up.

To mkflegend: Kintaro's weapon style is called Saber Teeth.




Yeah, Saber Teeth or Dragon I knew it was something along those lines lol.

Just too lazy to look...

But yeah personally guys, I can't really see them doing "so much" with Goro and kinaro in terms of stance...I mean they're big, have four arms only so much you can do stance wise lol as oppose to a regular agile character. MK 1 Goro I felt looked like he was dancing more then anything, but they also used Claymation just in case you guys aren't aware so they couldn't really pose him in any position nor had the flexibility or freedom as they do with computerized Goro.

I loved with they did with Kintaro in MK2 though, he looked really authentic for that time period. In MKA btw, Kintaro has a lot of grapple, throw and brute moves just so you guys know.

So, to me I didn't fine it cheap since with a boss like character there's only so much you can do given their size.

Sheeva now I could have seen with perhaps some more moves but what QS you have to realize is that they did that to Sheeva in MK3/UMK3 due to the game engine, so naturally they had to give her some kind of autocombo. The 3D MK's is a whole new ballpark with engine, therefore I totally understood why they gave her that made up style which suits her given her background, they could have perhaps gave her a sweep a few more moves but I liked the originality of it calling it Kuatan since she's a Shokan.

Fictional Styles all the way.

Goro: Shokan was a good fit for him.

Kintaro: I would think that K would use a style that used more slashing movements more. He also needs a bit more garppling.

Sheeva: More acrobatic and agile indeed. I was never really a fan of making Sheeva so bulked up. Her MK3 style would be a good starting place.
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QueenSindel(TheBitch)
09/25/2007 11:08 PM (UTC)
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K, now Ashrah.

I'm not sure what fighting style would have suited her the best, but neither Chou Jaio or Ba Gua felt right for her.

I think something that looks bigger and more radiant like Eagle Claw would go with her. Except, I think Eagle Claw is the best style that Kitana could have. In that case, I don't think Ashrah could have it cuz they can't share.

I think a number of fighting styles can suit her, including Zha Chuan, Zi Ran Men, and Mantis, but I don't know what the one permanent style for her should be yet.
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Sub-Zero_7th
09/25/2007 11:18 PM (UTC)
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I felt that both Chuojiao and Ba Gua Zhang suit her. I also think that perhaps something like Silat Seni Gayung could fit her, especially since it teaches the use of weapons like the Kriss.

Between Chuojiao and Ba Gua Zhang, Chuojiao's gameplay is better, but I feel that Ba Gua Zhang fits her better, because of it's many circular spiraling movements and footwork.

As for Silat Seni Gayung, it's a Malaysian form of Silat that contains striking, kicking, grappling, and bone breaking techniques. It's a style that uses seemingly flowery movements to deceive the opponent only to unleash fast striking techniques to vital areas. Silat Seni Gayung also teaches acrobatics and weaponry and is designed to defeat stronger and larger opponents.
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mkflegend
09/26/2007 02:58 AM (UTC)
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The style they gave her fit her well enough for me personally, not a big ashrah fan to be honest. But I agree with Subzerothe7th on this one, especially her first style and Kriss definitely since we learned more about her storyline with that.



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10/17/2007 09:19 PM (UTC)
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Sub-Zero_7th
10/17/2007 10:15 PM (UTC)
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It's very nice stuff Chrome. Given the way her story is though, she should keep the Kriss. I have other unarmed style ideas for her, such as Silat Seni Gayung and Liu Seong Kuntao (which I'm aware you gave to Reptile, for whatever reasons you have). Btw, nice job on the Shockwave drawing. It's a neat idea to base his alt mode after a tank.
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