draconus Wrote: I figure we basically stick to the games storyline as closely as possible, eliminating the cheezy bits where they are found i.e. Johnny Cage should die in MK3 and never come back, because he hasn't had any effect on the story since then. Also at least one character per game needs to have a prominent death scene: Sub-Zero dies in MK1 (In addition to everyone other than the main characters); Mileena and Kintaro in MKII; Stryker, Motaro, Cage, and Kano in MK3, etc. As for character tests, we need to differentiate them all as much as possible. Perhaps we should pick an actor or celebrity to base each character's face on, so we have plenty of reference material. Kang is obviously Bruce Lee, Cage=Van Damme, Rayden = Lambert and so on.

Well, first of all, as far as I'm concerned, you made a mistake when you said that Johnny Cage would never return after dying (I say 'coz I've got the official version of MK story, and it says that Johnny returns to life through an "open window" over USA. I'll try to make a full translation) Either, he wouldn't be in MK4 or MK:DA, right?

And second, I used none of those criteria when I drew my sketches for the characters (ok, strugler told me I gotta make them aged), but at least I was able to distinguish them (even because I drew Liu with his eyes considerably closed, as he's Chinese).

Ask for strugler to see my sketches, 'coz I'm not able to upload 'em by now.

Maybe you read my post a little too quickly. I said w'll stick to the games storyline, EXCEPT - we'll edit out the dumb parts like Cage coming back again and again. That means we are going to change some of the storyline so it's better and makes more sense. I think we kan all agree on that. Cage has no effect on the storyline after MK3, so it won't matter that much if we leave him out.
In addition, we have the advantage of hindsight. This means that in the MKII komic series, when Noob Saibot for example makes an appearance, we can add foreshadowing about Shinnok and the Netherrealm which John Tobias originally could not - not having written MK4.


>And second, I used none of those criteria when I drew my sketches for the >characters (ok, strugler told me I gotta make them aged), but at least I was >able to distinguish them (even because I drew Liu with his eyes >considerably closed, as he's Chinese).

Liu Kang has his eyes closed because he's Chinese. I find that offensive.

Ignoring that racist comment, you drew some preliminary sketches. Okay, I think all of us working on the project should see and approve them, since we ALL have to draw them THOUSANDS of times. They're only pre-production sketches. I made some too. They're like suggestions. In all likelihood, once we've all processed them the final product will look nothing like my first sketches or your first sketches, or anybody's. Sketches are something you do many, many times before you start a project, so you can try many things and see what you want to do before you waste too much time.
We need to weigh all our options before we dive headfirst into this - and that's all my post was: an option. We'll draw it, we'll look at it, and if it doesn't work, we'll toss it. But we'll be better off from having seen it.
Edit - also, many characters will have multiple outfits. You don't wear the same clothing for travelling as when you fight, and you don't wear the same outfit to fight for seven days in a row, etc.

PS strugler, kould you please post the sketches in question on this thread?

hey if you need another artic, i would gladly help

check out my gallery here, or my site.. www.crackerbee.com

my email is hatefrost@gmail.com, if youd like to contact me

Here's my first Liu Kang concept.

Whoa, that's huge.
EDIT - okay, it's a thubnail now
Anybody want to color it?
I am just about to ink the strugler full body concept. look for it in about 30 mins.

I went to your site, sic8, and you've got some good stuff. I'm impressed by the design of the site itself. It'd be nice to know what order our pieces were completed in, to see the progression. I notice you have a thing for Kate Beckinsdale.
So what exactly are you offering to do for us?

Okay, here is the full body of Liu Kang:

hmm ok, everyone needs to calm down a second, we need to seriously get things sorted. Im mighty confused as to whose involved in this project.

So can everyone stop for a minute and just say what you are doing in this project.

I agree with draconus about one thing, if this is going to be a community project, every facet has to involve everyone in some way or another, so a script is written, its submitted then if a second draft is needed then so be it.

And before anyone is confirmed as being on the project its my belief that everyone who wants to be involved has to post some examples of their work.

Scorpion, you may be an amazing colourist, or you may not, but its really best to see some of your work before you are on the project as the colourist for definite.

If you dont have any examples, go to bobbett.deviantart.com and get some lineart from there and colour it, so that we can see what you are like.

Im in the same vein as draconus, in that i dont want to seem controlling, bossy or anything, but at the moment i think everyones confused about whose doing what. Ive seen (and done) fan comics before. Sometimes they become huge successes (the artist for one i worked on is now drawing for the dreamwave transformers comic - a mainstream title) and sometimes they become massive failures, with the people involved being mocked for it. I dont wanna see that happen, which is why it may seem that im being demanding.

draconus is that the liu kang i draw you pencilled it?
i didnt receive any feedback from you man
scorpion can you take the kang picture and color it just to see how good you are
guyz im also working on the script right now ill post it as soon as i finish the first issue script
draconus i think its not a good idea to base characters on real actors you are really talened dont get me wrong but i prefer liu kang to be ho-sung pak than bruce lee just to stick to the game.

i will post tomorrow many character concepts i have time to draw them well, not like last time in 5 min.
so guys any suggestions?

hehe i can do anything you want me to do
heres a sample of what i can do, i did this today just as a demo

Wow. you're hired.
Seriously though. Um.

THIS concerns me.

Here's some of my prior Mk-related work.
These are MK5-6 concepts for Reptile and Sub-zero

This is from back when we thought Quan Chi might have merged with Drahmin

And trying out some ideas for the new mask

The below persons are the team so far working on this fan komic:
strugler
the_dark_spectre
Draconus(myself)

The following persons have volunteered their services and are under consideration. The 'auditioners'.
Kuroana_no_Taiyou
scorpion12192
sic8sic
dragon_king
Natil

The induction of these persons into the team shall be dependent upon a vote by the current members. Therefore, the next person inducted (if any) shall participate in the subsequent voting period. Voting shall take place when sample artwork is available for review.

The first person to be ev aluated is Kuroana_no_Taiyou
I have acquired his/her preliminary art and it follows:


Voting shall consist of a 'yes' or 'no' byt the current (3) team members. Reasons may also be given.
Commence.

I guess I'll vote first.

I vote no.

Reasons:
I just don't think your abilities are sufficient. And on a project so ethnically diverse we don't have any room for a racist.

i really appreciate your will to join us
as i said you need to improve a lot more and ill be happy to teach what i know (im not a pro but i learned some stuff) and i guess you cant join us right now but ill be helping you until you aill be ready to join us but for now my vote is: no

draconus Wrote: I guess I'll vote first. I vote no. Reasons: I just don't think your abilities are sufficient. And on a project so ethnically diverse we don't have any room for a racist.

the_dark_spectre may vote tomorrow if he/she chooses.


Switching gears, these are strugler's first sketches:

i vote no on the first vote, purely because the skills arent at the level that they need to be for a (hopefully) successful fan comic.

And if we are voting on strugler, i have to go with no (with only the view of his quick sketches, so if his ones where he takes his time are better then it might be yes), i say no because we cant expect one person to write and draw the comic, what this does mean however is that strugler is absolutely clear as to what he wants in the comic. Some may say that many professionals do this, but they spend months on it, theyve normally written all issues by the time they start the pencils

And im definitely on for cover colours if im wanted.

the_dark_spectre Wrote: i vote no on the first vote, purely because the skills arent at the level that they need to be for a (hopefully) successful fan comic. And if we are voting on strugler, i have to go with no (with only the view of his quick sketches, so if his ones where he takes his time are better then it might be yes), i say no because we cant expect one person to write and draw the comic, what this does mean however is that strugler is absolutely clear as to what he wants in the comic. Some may say that many professionals do this, but they spend months on it, theyve normally written all issues by the time they start the pencils And im definitely on for cover colours if im wanted.

dont worry man :) those sketches were made in 5mn just to show how do i see those guys its not my final art
and im not doing the script and pencils, draconus is helping me on that we both are doing the script and the art. and the script maust be agreed on from all the project members so im not doing it
i will scan my sketches tomorrow some final ones, liu kang and shang

The final decision on Kuroana_no_Taiyou is No, by unanimous vote.

The next immediate order of business is sic8sic. You have posted some samples of your art that were quite good. However, the latest piece you submitted was found to bear a more than striking resemblance to a recent work of Jashugan.
Perhaps you could explain?

Also, scorpion - you were going to have those colors up for us to see by the end of today, right?
Thirdly, Natil and dragon_king - if you guys still want to work on this project, make some noise.

hmm drac, ive compared the two pics(baraka and the scorpion one) and while there are similarities they seem to me as if theyre purely coincidental, or maybe sic did use jash's pic as a basis, as long as he proves he can draw i personallu dont really see much of a problem with that, the reason being that all artists need referances and drawing assistance, my friend (who works for dreamwave) uses models, figures and manniquins as the basis for pose and such.
im a bit worried now, im feeling really guilty that me and drac are being far too controlling and are making this unenjoyable.

ive got a bit of an idea, just so that im hands on instead of just complaining and getting on everyones nerves, as a thing for pencilling (so that its not all talking) i was thinking... i write a quick page layout, and whoever does want to be involved can to use the script as a basis for showing people what they would be like in a comic. this is just an idea, doesnt have to be accepted, ill write the thing now and post it, if it gets accepted than cool, if not then cool i dont mind.

the_dark_spectre Wrote: hmm drac, ive compared the two pics(baraka and the scorpion one) and while there are similarities they seem to me as if theyre purely coincidental, or maybe sic did use jash's pic as a basis, as long as he proves he can draw i personallu dont really see much of a problem with that, the reason being that all artists need referances and drawing assistance, my friend (who works for dreamwave) uses models, figures and manniquins as the basis for pose and such. im a bit worried now, im feeling really guilty that me and drac are being far too controlling and are making this unenjoyable. ive got a bit of an idea, just so that im hands on instead of just complaining and getting on everyones nerves, as a thing for pencilling (so that its not all talking) i was thinking... i write a quick page layout, and whoever does want to be involved can to use the script as a basis for showing people what they would be like in a comic. this is just an idea, doesnt have to be accepted, ill write the thing now and post it, if it gets accepted than cool, if not then cool i dont mind.

be more specific abt what you think i should improve on my next drawings
and everybody has to vote for everybody right? i say yes for you and draconus we have to vote on draconus too

i honestly cant, i dont want to make assumptions of your artistic skill based on those five minute drawings.

I was thinking the same thing, dark spectre, but I'd prefer to hear it from the man himself. As per your other idea, that's great. Do that.

ok this was very quick (by quick i mean about a minute), basically ist a simple fight scene, if you do want to take part you can add, remove or split panels (so long as they dont affect the premise)

to make it a bit more challenging (to see what different people are capable of ive left it so that its up to the penciller to decide the page layout, the angles in which the panels are seen (to gauge peoples inventiveness with simplicity)and other things like that. Basically its up to you whether you want to cram it all onto one page or make it quite dynmaic and have it spread over a double page.

so here it is

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Panel 1 - Sub Zero fires an ice blast at Scorpion

Panel 2 - Scorpion beings to flip over Sub Zero, narrowly missing the ice blast.

Panel 3 - Scorpion lands behind Sub Zero and fires his spear.

Panel 4 - Sub Zero Ducks the Spear

Panel 5 - Sub Zero slides and uppercuts Scorpion

Panel 6 (and maybe 7) - Scorpion is flown into air and recovers, teleporting

Panel 7 - see above

Panel 8 (possibly 9 aswell) - Sub Zero does an ice clone where Scorpion lands, freezing him.

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so, if you want to take part please do, if you dont want to i dont mind, its really just something to find out how good the artists are at working with moving characters from all different angles.

here it is ......strugler's drawing of scorpion......i kolored it and i really hope im excepted i a;ways wanted to do this.....thanx

thanx,scorpion

i added the blood on the spear hope its ok ....i juss thought it would be kool if i added some blood

no body answered my previous pik so i did another,,,,,,,,,...hurry and vote ...cuz i really wanna get in and i hope i make it...thanx

scorpion