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Draconus
09/21/2004 07:05 PM (UTC)
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Voting on scorpion's coloring job, visible above, will begin now.

I vote no. You don't really seem to understand the basic concept of coloring. Have you never done this before? Surely there are other examples of colored work that you've seen on this board!
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scorpion12192
09/21/2004 07:20 PM (UTC)
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wuts wrong with it??????
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Draconus
09/21/2004 07:27 PM (UTC)
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GO look at Jax007's reptile fatality, then look at the colored version of it. Or look at what dark spectre did to the pic on the first page.

draconus Wrote:
I guess I'll vote first.

I vote no.

Reasons:
I just don't think your abilities are sufficient. And on a project so ethnically diverse we don't have any room for a racist.


Well, if you think I'm not good enough for it, I won't disagree (strugler even told me in MSN that I can learn a little more), but what makes you think I'm racist? Just because I made that comment about Kang? I'm sorry, but I picked up as reference some of his MK4 sprites, on which he appears the way I said. I didn't mean to be any offensive.

Coming to think about it, I'll post my coloured sketches as soon as I can (even if I'm out of the team now... just to show 'em)
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scorpion12192
09/21/2004 09:26 PM (UTC)
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draconus i see that his is better but strugler spacificly asked for someone to do it on the compute so thats how i did it.....he used kolored pencils.......go look on the 1st page if u don't believe me...yes,it is my first time,i joined kuz i really wanted to do it....i tried my best to do them good...i used paint on my computer.... it took me 1 and a half hours to do ...so all the work for nothing...
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Draconus
09/21/2004 11:18 PM (UTC)
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scorpion12192 Wrote:
draconus i see that his is better but strugler spacificly asked for someone to do it on the compute so thats how i did it.....he used kolored pencils.......go look on the 1st page if u don't believe me...yes,it is my first time,i joined kuz i really wanted to do it....i tried my best to do them good...i used paint on my computer.... it took me 1 and a half hours to do ...so all the work for nothing...


Um, no. The original was a drawing in graphite pencil. Dark Spectre then colored it on computer. Look at this:
Pencils by Jax007,

colors by austinpwrs_d



Once again, pencils by one person, colors on computer by another. This is the sort of coloring necessary. Have you ever even read a komic book?

However, due process is necessary. Note that I am currently a minority in voting you off. ALL THREE team members must vote for an official verdict.





Kuroana Wrote:

Well, if you think I'm not good enough for it, I won't disagree (strugler even told me in MSN that I can learn a little more), but what makes you think I'm racist? Just because I made that comment about Kang? I'm sorry, but I picked up as reference some of his MK4 sprites, on which he appears the way I said. I didn't mean to be any offensive.

Coming to think about it, I'll post my coloured sketches as soon as I can (even if I'm out of the team now... just to show 'em)


Alright, perhaps there was a misunderstanding, but be more careful about what you say. This kind of thing does matter!

Both of you keep in mind, verdicts can be reversed with a second vote if your artistic skills grow and you turn in new work!
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scorpion12192
09/21/2004 11:36 PM (UTC)
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how do yall kolor like thar..it looks good
........mine looks wierd because its done on paint but that is great ...dracinus that is awesome...plez tell me how to do it ..i want to be able to do that
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Draconus
09/21/2004 11:46 PM (UTC)
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Those pics were colored by austinpwrs_d. You should ask him. Dark Spectre also has some experience with coloring. As for me, that is not my department.

Now, to koincide with the Liu Kang concepts by strugler coming tonight, here are some of mine:

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scorpion12192
09/21/2004 11:50 PM (UTC)
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dark spectre ....how do u kolor like that...man that is awesome..kan u plez tell me wut to do...thanx a lot..its my dream to be able to do that......plez tell me wut to download to do that...thanx

draconus Wrote:
Kuroana Wrote:

Well, if you think I'm not good enough for it, I won't disagree (strugler even told me in MSN that I can learn a little more), but what makes you think I'm racist? Just because I made that comment about Kang? I'm sorry, but I picked up as reference some of his MK4 sprites, on which he appears the way I said. I didn't mean to be any offensive.

Coming to think about it, I'll post my coloured sketches as soon as I can (even if I'm out of the team now... just to show 'em)

Alright, perhaps there was a misunderstanding, but be more careful about what you say. This kind of thing does matter!

Both of you keep in mind, verdicts can be reversed with a second vote if your artistic skills grow and you turn in new work!


OK, sorry about that. I really stumbled upon my words. Never mind.

And about my new sketches, here they come:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/kuroananotaiyou/cagesketch.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/kuroananotaiyou/kanosketch.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/kuroananotaiyou/raidensketch.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/kuroananotaiyou/liusketch.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/kuroananotaiyou/raidensketch.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/kuroananotaiyou/scorpsketch.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/kuroananotaiyou/subsketch.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/kuroananotaiyou/sonyasketch.jpg

Well, they may look as crappy as the first ones, but at least I tried, eh?
Oh yeah, they're as normal text because I don't remember how to put them as hyperlinks...

Some notes:

1. The ones of Johnny Cage and Liu Kang are exactly the reproved ones, with the difference I covered and coloured them too.
2. Coming to think about it, the artworks may look kinda crude 'coz I covered (didn't really inked) them with black pen (not spherograph) and coloured them with pencils and nothing else (even the shading). This is why Raiden's background looks so shitty.
3. I didn't make any background for Liu Kang (as I thought the movement lines would do it) and Sub-Zero (this one was just a matter of lack of reference of the Ice Pit or something alike... XP)
4. Scorpion's background are only flames over a black bottom also because I didn't have any reference of his Netherealm stage in UMK3.
5. A friend told me my problem of drawing is on settling proper proportions. Maybe that's why Kano's head is that big (it may be because of an error of measurement of his side look too... I'm just getting better on side looks).
6. But that's not the reason why Sub-Zero's left arm looks smaller. I intended to make it as if it were flexed like the right one.

draconus Wrote:
Kuroana Wrote:

Well, if you think I'm not good enough for it, I won't disagree (strugler even told me in MSN that I can learn a little more), but what makes you think I'm racist? Just because I made that comment about Kang? I'm sorry, but I picked up as reference some of his MK4 sprites, on which he appears the way I said. I didn't mean to be any offensive.

Coming to think about it, I'll post my coloured sketches as soon as I can (even if I'm out of the team now... just to show 'em)

Alright, perhaps there was a misunderstanding, but be more careful about what you say. This kind of thing does matter!

Both of you keep in mind, verdicts can be reversed with a second vote if your artistic skills grow and you turn in new work!


OK, sorry about that. I really stumbled upon my words. Never mind.

And about my new sketches, here they come:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/kuroananotaiyou/cagesketch.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/kuroananotaiyou/kanosketch.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/kuroananotaiyou/raidensketch.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/kuroananotaiyou/liusketch.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/kuroananotaiyou/raidensketch.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/kuroananotaiyou/scorpsketch.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/kuroananotaiyou/subsketch.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/kuroananotaiyou/sonyasketch.jpg

Well, they may look as crappy as the first ones, but at least I tried, eh?
Oh yeah, they're as normal text because I don't remember how to put them as hyperlinks...

Some notes:

1. The ones of Johnny Cage and Liu Kang are exactly the reproved ones, with the difference I covered and coloured them too.
2. Coming to think about it, the artworks may look kinda crude 'coz I covered (didn't really inked) them with black pen (not spherograph) and coloured them with pencils and nothing else (even the shading). This is why Raiden's background looks so shitty.
3. I didn't make any background for Liu Kang (as I thought the movement lines would do it) and Sub-Zero (this one was just a matter of lack of reference of a picture for the Ice Pit or something alike... XP)
4. Scorpion's background are only flames over a black bottom also because I didn't have any reference of his Netherealm stage in UMK3.
5. A friend told me my problem of drawing is on settling proper proportions. Maybe that's why Kano's head is that big (it may be because of an error of measurement of his side look too... I'm just getting better on side looks).
6. But that's not the reason why Sub-Zero's left arm looks smaller. I intended to make it as if it were flexed like the right one.
7. I had the idea for Sonya's background when I remembered that her bottom picture in the MK3/UMK3/MKT selection screen was the flag of USA, but I mis-measured the stripes. Then, there's another crappy background.

Well, it's too much, but that's it.
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Draconus
09/22/2004 02:34 AM (UTC)
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Kuroana_no_Taiyou Wrote:

Well, they may look as crappy as the first ones, but at least I tried, eh?
Oh yeah, they're as normal text because I don't remember how to put them as hyperlinks...

Some notes:

1. The ones of Johnny Cage and Liu Kang are exactly the reproved ones, with the difference I covered and coloured them too.
2. Coming to think about it, the artworks may look kinda crude 'coz I covered (didn't really inked) them with black pen (not spherograph) and coloured them with pencils and nothing else (even the shading). This is why Raiden's background looks so shitty.
3. I didn't make any background for Liu Kang (as I thought the movement lines would do it) and Sub-Zero (this one was just a matter of lack of reference of a picture for the Ice Pit or something alike... XP)
4. Scorpion's background are only flames over a black bottom also because I didn't have any reference of his Netherealm stage in UMK3.
5. A friend told me my problem of drawing is on settling proper proportions. Maybe that's why Kano's head is that big (it may be because of an error of measurement of his side look too... I'm just getting better on side looks).
6. But that's not the reason why Sub-Zero's left arm looks smaller. I intended to make it as if it were flexed like the right one.
7. I had the idea for Sonya's background when I remembered that her bottom picture in the MK3/UMK3/MKT selection screen was the flag of USA, but I mis-measured the stripes. Then, there's another crappy background.

Well, it's too much, but that's it.



You see what you did there? You said yourself that these were crappy, but then you went and gave a bunch of excuses. This is the difference between a good artist and a bad one. A good artist may draw something crappy, but he doesn't show it to anyone! He goes back and starts again!

#1 Get an anatomy book from the library to see how proportions and muscles work. Or you know what, even lazier option - get a comic book. Come on, people! You volunteered to work on a komic book, but it's like you've never looked in one before!

#2 Don't draw so dark - you don't work for Hanna Barbera. You MUST start out light. Get a harder pencil if you have to, like 2H, or even 6H if you have to press hard. You MUST start light and BUILD UP the lines so they gradually get darker. This is not an option, this is necessary, even if you draw like Jax007. Ask him how he works and he'll tell you the same thing.

#3 Don't outline with a sharpie. Inking should be done with aselection of very fine pens. Get a Rapidograph or a Micron. My set includes Micron 005, 2x05 and 08. If you get just one, get an 01. After you ink, ERASE PENCIL MARKS IF YOU ARE GOING TO COLOR IT.

#4 That's not how you use color pencil! The use of color pencil is in fact very similar to the use of paints. You have to apply several layers. You have to MIX THEM on the paper to create form. Then blend, blend, blend. If you can see the pencil marks, you're not done. Here is a color pencil piece that I did for Color Theory class at the beginning of the quarter. It's a 5" square. The objective was to represent the colors and patterns of the outfit you were wearing that day, in proper proportion. It took a week and it was a pain in the ass.

Color pencils are very difficult to use. PROCEED WITH CAUTION. DO NOT use color pencil until you master graphite pencil.
Better yet,

#5 Don't use color pencil! Call it a hunch, but any colorist worth anything uses Photoshop for coloring.

See, this is why I asked your ages and how much involvement you've had with art. Why is everyone ignoring that question?!
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scorpion12192
09/22/2004 02:39 AM (UTC)
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im 12 and i juss realy wanna do this ....plez stop getting mad.....i will work on it as soon as i know how to kolor like...so if u kan tell me what to download it would be great..thanx..byez
yall
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strugler
09/22/2004 02:46 AM (UTC)
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keep it cool guys :)
i am here to appologize that i wont be able to upload my work today i dont have a canner at home and i didnt go to work today you will have to wait till thursday sorry.
draconus i will email you a copy of the script of the first issue as soon as i can
thanx guyz
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scorpion12192
09/22/2004 02:50 AM (UTC)
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STOP IGNORIN ME......PPL i neen yall to answer me so i kan improve in time to be in this activity so plez tell me which photoshop to dowbnload......thanX

draconus Wrote:
You see what you did there? You said yourself that these were crappy, but then you went and gave a bunch of excuses. This is the difference between a good artist and a bad one. A good artist may draw something crappy, but he doesn't show it to anyone! He goes back and starts again!


Well, thanks a lot.
I guess I'll be tossing myself out right now.
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Draconus
09/22/2004 03:02 AM (UTC)
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Here is another example of color pencil work. This is a preliminary test I did for the same class.

It demonstrates the amount of layering and blending necessary for a final project and also brings me to

#6 preliminary work. A good artist has learned that you never ever EVER under any circumstances start on the final piece right away. First, you get your idea. Then, step 1 is to do research. You go to the library or on the internet and find resources - photos and other people's artwork that you will use for reference and look at frequently to help yourself work. Step 2 is to make several sketches of the final piece. You are testing and changing composition, style, positive/negative space, and subject matter. Then, step 3, you do a color test. Try out the colors you will be using and see how they mix with shadows/highlights and each other. This is demonstrated in the picture above. Then, think about limiting your palette. Will your picture look more dramatic if you use only black and yellow? Earthtones? Then, and ONLY THEN can you begin your final piece. If you are painting with acrylic, the color mixing may be performed on the cavas, since acrylic paint dries so fast. [I love acrylic paint, by the way. If you don't like what you did, it's already dry so you can paint over it and do it again!]
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Draconus
09/22/2004 03:27 AM (UTC)
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Alright, scorpion (and KnT, if he hasn't left yet), listen. Sorry if it seemed like I an angry outburst, but it's really infuriating when somebody who's dedicated their life to study art gets amateurs thinking they can compete, thinking it doesn't take any effort. This is why I asked your ages and experience, and why I posted that I am attending an art college and have worked in the graphic design sector! - To let you know what level you need to be at.

That's why I got snippy. You guys saw what level we were working at. You knew you weren't at that level and you volunteered anyway. It seemed like you were just out to waste our time - and that makes people mad. Please keep a sense of perspective in the future.

Now scorpion, you obviously need the newest version of Photoshop. If you don't know which one that is (I don't know either) it doesn't really matter. Any version is fine for a beginner. But honestly, if you don't understand drawing with pencils, and painting with a brush, you won't understand doing those things with a mouse (it's actually harder). It is irrational to think that you will develop skill with Photoshop before we start this project, or even before we finish it (if that ever happens). If I told you otherwise, it would simply be cruel. It has taken me my whole life to get as good as I am now, and I know I have plenty of room to grow.
If you really want to make a komic, maybe come back when you're 17. Start small, draw every day - from observation. Draw your foot, draw your mom, draw your cat. I know it sounds cliche, but you must practice. These are the kind of things that you don't believe when you heard them; you have to learn them for yourself. Then you remember the guy who told you was right all along.

I would be more than happy to help you out with advice whenever either of you need it. Even though posted with a touch of anger, I hope the six points I gave you were mostly helpful and constructive. I never call people names, and I rarely become furious, so they should be less stinging and more instructive. Rest assured I am not angry now and I will not hold a grudge. But in all honesty, I don't think either of you will develop in time to work on the komic.
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ETHER
09/22/2004 05:06 AM (UTC)
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Hey Strugler and Draconus, I'm not sure if you are still looking for volunteers, but maybe I could help out. here is an example of my work. let me know what you think. Thanks.
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The_Dark_Spectre
09/22/2004 09:05 AM (UTC)
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right whoo, sorry i havent posted for a while but ive been busy. Scorpion, you need atleast Adobe Photoshop 6 or 7, a good understanding of how lighting and effects works, and about two years hard work. Like any trade its not something you can do in 5 minutes.
This is one of the best oolourists that i personally know, hes been doing it for about 3 years and hes amazing. This is to show the level of work expected from a comic.



Ether, your works looking really promising, do you wanna take a shot at the example script i laid out, just to see how you work in the confines of a comic?

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ETHER
09/22/2004 04:17 PM (UTC)
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Hey Dark_Spectre, i would love for you to send me a practice script so that I could get a feel for what you are trying to do. Email me at digitalnas@yahoo.com


AIM: etherbreether

Thanks
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Draconus
09/22/2004 06:24 PM (UTC)
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Oh come on, read the thread. It's right on the previous page.

Votes on scorpion-
No : 1
Undecided: 2
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The_Dark_Spectre
09/22/2004 06:31 PM (UTC)
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no on scorpion, his abilities arent at the level needed for a comic.
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09/22/2004 06:49 PM (UTC)
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LOL @ Kuroana_no_Taiyou's "preliminary art".
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09/22/2004 07:00 PM (UTC)
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ScorpionNumber and im 12, are you sure you're old enough to play an OMG ADULT GAMES like the Mortal Kombat?
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Draconus
09/22/2004 07:20 PM (UTC)
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Oh yeah, that's right. What the hell are you doing playing Mortal Kombat, scorpion? Didn't you get carded at the store? Wow.

Ether - I like what you've done with that. Do you work well with others? A couple more examples and we'll vote on you. It's either you or sic8sic next, depending on who's lazier.
Edit - PS, are you good at writing dialogue?
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