No offense to anyone, but the flaming going on here is ridiculous. I notice that every time Ryu posts something, it turns into a flame war. Seriously, to the vets here, just give some constructive criticism without having to grow a fucking flamethrower out of your tongue. I would like to for once see a thread posted by one of the vets that doesn't get locked up as a devasted battleground. And scorptile, let the veterans be veterans. It is just assumed that they will try to tear apart newcomers. Don't add fuel to the fire by posting BIG FIGHT-PROVOKING SENTENCES ALL IN CAPS FOLLOWED BY SEVERAL EXCLAIMATION MARKS!!!!!! It was probably a bad mistake. Just don't repeat it. I, along with many members of the MKO community am all for newcomers. Just don't provoke anything.

This ryu fag is an ignorant fake creator.
Sure his fakes have nice eye candy but it can also take a monkey two clicks to create such effect in whatever program he uses and if he really does edit his stuff, I'd like to see him make a step by step walk through.
RYU = Ultimate Ignorant Sore Loser aka PENCIL PUSHER

Flamers are a dime a dozen

I really like it, I like it when you use MKDA sprites and they always look very clean and sharp so well done there.

Idea is simple yet still brutal.

The mountains are very cool but I would maybe rethink the jagged lava flow, I know thats how it would but it just doesn't seem right.

Overall I really like it and I don't care what little piece of dribble piss thinks he can just go an say "I can make better than you, this sucks, blah blah bollox"

Good job, 8/10, can't wait to see more

Well, at least I can state in complete honesty that I know not to constantly misspell words in the insults I direct at people. I haven't been using much offensive material of late, and I don't look to snap that streak going up against some kid who can't even spell the one word that defines his entire life. Little jester, this guy.



I know I'm not the one filling this thread full of flaming. I look to better myself, and stay above the flamers--a term I don't use to define myself or what I do.

The reason every time UltimayeRyu posts something that's converted into a flame war is because he contributes to it. He doesn't look to stop it. In fact, he probably only retaliates to keep his threads going. Your constant moaning in his threads is becoming just as annoying as the weak jabs people take at me, or anyone else.

MKRocket and I have tried, on multiple occasions, to give constructive criticism to UltimateRyu, but he completely ignores it. We've stopped with the giving of advice and have just resorted to breaking the image down and picking out the errors. There are always a lot of them, most that are incredibly apparent, so it doesn't take as much energy to type out a critique as it does with providing him with useful advice.



Stop repeating everything everyone else has said in the past, and just stay away. Your insults are worse than Scorptile99's, and despite the fact that that's not really saying much, you're just not any good. Your editing talent is about five years behind what it should be, and you're no better than UltimateRyu. He's been doing this for what?--A few months? You've been at it for almost five years and you've never shown any signs of improvement. Stick to posting the same Noob Saibot drawing once every year. YOU'RE A GOOD GUY, SLELICA. *laughs*



Was that at all necessary? I mean, you're attacking people who have said they can do better, and have done better, even on their worst days. You give the image an 8/10, and even though I respect you as an artist, your criticism is too loving, insanely leniant. Just...stop loving everyone so much and give an honest and constructive critique. 8/10? That's a joke, right?

No, just because you don't particularly like it doesn't mean I don't, I'm entitled to my opinion, that was my comment not yours, I think it deserves and 8/10, two marks off because I don't really like the jagged lava flow, thats all.

speaking of flaming your a big flammer homo

Keith (Queve as well) is one of the few unbiased and respectable fan art posters. Most would vouch for that as well. In regards to flame wars...I dont start them nor Do I have the ability to stop them. Fakes should be judged on how they look, not how theyre made. Once pride and stubborness is set aside, can you be at your best and your artistic concepts be realized.

Interesting... Even though the more experienced people giving Ultimate Ryu constructive criticism more than once, telling him in the process the way to improve somehow translates into "I can make better than you, this sucks, blah blah bollox"? If you think that is even close to being true you really need to rethink that one.

Personally, I have given up on Ultimate Ryu. I wanted to put the past, for what it was, behind me and move on to give him some detailed analysis on his fake, but alas to no avail.

Besides, some of us have spent a lot of time perfecting our styles and pump out some quality fakes so there has to be some gloating when it comes to something like that. Don't act like you have never gloated over someone because you were better at them at something. If you haven't experienced that, please go get laid immediately.

That is all from me for now.

I'm unbiased, plain and simple. I don't mind you anymore. My opinion remains that you're too stubborn and overconfident to realize that you're not one of the greats--in any category, but doesn't mean that I don't like you. They're your flaws, not mine, so why should, in all honesty, give even half a shit?

I didn't like MaxDam too much because he refused to publicly announce that he was cheap and, for the most part, untalented, and even denied that fact until recently. However, I gave him honest criticism, maybe a little more abusive than now, but stil, I gave him what he needed--brutal honesty. I rated his fakes as I saw fit, without taking into consideration my understandable disliking of him.

I respect Keith, but he's not on my good side. I may not have rated too many of his images, but if I did, then I gave him honest criticism and a little advice. He's got potential, but he appears to have lost interest, and understandably so. Not much in this section is there for inspiration, and most of it actually diminishes your motivation.

The fact that you say "Once...stubborness is set aside, can you be at your best and your artistic concepts be realized," makes me chuckle a little bit. You contradict yourself. You're too stubborn to take the advice with which the veterans provide you, because you don't, in what I can tell, find them respectable.

I know many of you seem to believe that MKRocket and I only give this guy low ratings because we don't like him, but it's not the case. Believe what you want, but you're prejudice imbeciles and know nothing if you find that even the least bit, albeit remotely true. He and I have stated on many an occasion that we don't rate out of what we think of a person. That's not what critics do. We say what we believe, how we should say it, and maybe go a little overboard and get a tad offensive at times, but it's out of complete frustration with his egotism and stubbornness, the stubbornness he claims we should all shrug off.

Anyway, that's basically it from me, for now.

What a n00b!

lol!
Okay this is really stupid. Why is everyone flamming here? Just post your opinion on the fake.

Well, it seems that we are having an intellectual discussion within this thread about supposed grudges and the way some of us rate which was sparked by this.. below average fake. Anyway, one last thing while I am still awake, has it occured to anyone new (joined post to 2001 or 2002) that the way of fake making I am defending has been around since the early days of arcade? Sure, the styles and subject matter have evolved but what stays the same is the fact that this is an artform to some people and being one of those people I feel obligated to defend my way.

However, this doesn't make me prejudice to new styles or forms unless they completly shatter the foundation of what makes the old-way great. An example would be this fake, no it's not the only one but hopefully your memory span retain an image of what the fake did, if not, go back a page. Back on topic, this fake takes out the core element of classic Mortal Kombat 2D fakes, the sprites themselves. He uses screenshots to create a shortcut to good looking fakes, which may be appealing to the "casual" fake viewer, but to fans of old-school fakes it makes you want to just stab your computer screen.

Final comment for now: Since I do not like this "branch" of fake making I will shy away from criticizing future works in the future from Ultimate Ryu. However, I will not change my stance on this "issue", so to speak.

Hmm, its definitely not a bad fake. Even if you ripped sprites from a 3D game, I do like your choice of poses. The blur on the hat as it flies through the air was done really well i think.
For the background, I really think you need to put more thought into them. I second what most people have said already about the volcano and stuff, but here are a couple of other things bothering me:
1. The stone with the ying-yang looks a little too flat, watch it when ur resizing on photoshop cos even though PS makes it looks clean, it cant do anything about bad dimensions.
2. The little flames on the stones look too fake. Basically just stuck on. What i would do for better effect is add a little orange-red reflective glow to the tip of the stone so it looks like the flames are actually sitting on top of them. Or at least make a cup or something so the flames dont look like they're sitting on a completely flat surface.
3. There needs to be more to the floor. I've had this said to me in one of my earlier fakes and its true: a repeating pattern for the ground looks WAAAAY too boring. Give it some green moss or something. I'm assuming the white dots are supposed to be snow, so maybe have some snow build-up on the ground just at the foot of the stone fence behind the sprites. Little things like that much an incredible difference to the visual appeal of your fakes.
4. You need to do something about the 'snow'. Look up some PS tutorials for making snow because it cant simply be little white dots, especially when you're using highly detailed 3D sprites. They dont completement each other.

Finally, you know where I stand on you making fakes. I dont encourage it, you are much better off making animations. But, meh, do what you want I guess. Just expect to get a lot of heat when you dont learn from your mistakes.
Even worse, you might end up like me and have your fakes almost completely ignored. I cant even say if I'm a "good faker" or not because most comments I get these days are worthless! Mostly, "I like this, I dont like that. Good job bro" I dont think anyone can learn where they went wrong from that.

Fedegita, awesome write up, I agree with just about all of it. It would be a better fake if I fixed up some of those mentioned details. See MKR, now that's constructive critcism, something I've yet to see from you...to me anyway. You always takes things to a more personal level, which can quickly be dismissed as another trolling attempt.

Ok here's the deal, sometime im gonna make one more fake in this series to finish it off as a trilogy. You can only do so much w/o any concrete MK7 info. Then im gonna move onto a new concept.

Why just blatently ignore my critique, and read his, when he doesn't have the experience to back up his criticism? I gave you what you're deeming as constructive criticism several times before, and all you do is completely dismiss it. Why? *sigh* I'm probably just wasting my time.

Because half the crap you write is just a bashfest, I'm not getting into that. You're just kidding yourself if you think good critiques end up actually getting skull points.

This may not be the best example, but I'm in a bit of a hurry. I see that I did "bash" you somewhat, but you have to remember that this all started because you, my friend, didn't like me rating one of your fakes extremely low. I'll find the thread later, if you need proof. Oh, and you pretty much ignored me in that thread as well, though you could go on to use the overused excuse involving how I bashed you and all that bullshit.

See, UltimayeRyu, you started throwing empty insults at me and basically lying to yourself to make yourself feel superior through MKOnline's personal messaging system. You found my work to be worth 8/10 at one point, and this point has been made on many an occasion. You need to work out whatever personal peeves you have with me, as I'm doing, and just nut up and take the criticism, use it, and perfect your skills. You said you can't edit. Edit a sprite, post it in a fake, and I'll provide you with honest criticism, and advice, as I did with what's-his-face--the guy who posted that lame Nethership animation.

I can work with you if you're willing to listen. I have AIM, so PM me and I'll provide you with my screen name...if you have the program as well, that is.

Alright man, dont take what I said in a negative way, just telling it how I see it. You could learn from what I have to say as well.

I may not have as much experience as you dude, but i think a year and a half of fake making should be enough to critique UR's work. I can "back up" my crt\iticisms because much of them were actually given to me at one time or another by a better fake maker, I'm simply passing on the wisdom I have gained from these criticisms to someone else.

My comment about my fake being completely ignored relates to the ones i've been dong the past 6 or so months. Most of my earlier work got the criticism I needed to progress, it's just the lack of enthusiasm in these forums these days dont really help me improve on my fakes anymore.
Come to think of it, if you yourself ever have time I wouldnt mind you critiquing some of my fakes. I dont think I've ever gotten a comment from you on one of my posts.

I thought there was supposed to be an intelligent discussion going on in here? I was tricked...damn thread name.

Yet you add to it? Sad. If it isn't intelligent enough for you then don't even reply. Not bashing you, just that wasn't really needed either.

Oh and Fedegita, maybe he didn't know that you actually got some input from *gasp* better artists and *gasps more* you actually remembered and helped others with passing it on. [/sarcasm]. Now that wasn't directly pointed at you but at many other's as well. People should help each other out if they can. However, this knowledge is gained through the experiences of others so if it wasn’t' completely your idea why not give some credit to them. If you don't remember their name, just say something like "well, that is what a more-experienced so and so said." No, you don't have to give credit all the time but just every now and then to make the original creator of the idea feel like he wasn't stripped of something he may have had to work hard to learn or teach to someone.

Good call. I'm sure the person who gave me the same advice I gave UR (about the ground being too plain and how to improve on that) was Bleed. He, along with -illusion- were my main source of excellent advice and criticism. I try to use their example whenever I evaluate someones fake. -illusion- definitely came to mind when i started picking at the little things like the snow and the squashed stone, he always encouraged me to pay attention to detail.

your a n00b faggot

You're going to get banned. Think of it as a late Christmas gift or even an early birthday present.



Well, I am glad there are more people than I thought that care about the little stuff. -Illusin-, I remember him from a while back, he sorta took a page out of my and other good critics during his extent here on MKOnline. Or is he still running around here? I want to know what he has to say about this.

Something for the actual disscussion... I know I come off like a prick when I analyze fakes but its only for the better for the artist and the people casually looking at fakes. Also, I never try to bias myself towards certain people. I say try because I am human and I do feel like I go easier on people I know pretty good, but I never go out and blam a person's work because I have a grudge on them. Oh well, I will try and work on that.