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10/28/2013 07:26 PM (UTC)
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With movies nowadays like Saw and Hostel, there is no reason that they wouldn't be able to push a much more graphic approach.

If they still sane WB will never do MK movie with violence akin to Saw and Hostel. Afterall MK must appeal to teenagers and children and graphical gore in the movie with the real people will be just too much.
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10/28/2013 07:35 PM (UTC)
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They've distributed and produced horror movies and other R rated films, I see no reason they can't do the same with Mortal Kombat.
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10/28/2013 08:43 PM (UTC)
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Seriously? You're one of those people who thinks the number of hits on a youtube video directly correlates to positive feedback?
Mortal Kombat fans are notorious for never being pleased with anything though unless of course it's a retelling of MK-MK3. That shit gets eaten up.
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10/28/2013 09:16 PM (UTC)
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RedSumac Wrote:
Grimm Wrote:
With movies nowadays like Saw and Hostel, there is no reason that they wouldn't be able to push a much more graphic approach.

If they still sane WB will never do MK movie with violence akin to Saw and Hostel. Afterall MK must appeal to teenagers and children and graphical gore in the movie with the real people will be just too much.


My point was not to say that it should be like the gore of Saw and Hostel, but that movies like that have raised to bar when it comes to violence. I don't want to see guts pouring out all over the screen, but because of scenes like that from Saw and Hostel, a person getting their head ripped off, heart ripped out, or burned alive, is child's play compared to a man having both his eyes stabbed and then having his limbs pulled off one by one.

And why must MK appeal to teenagers and children? Children under 17 are not supposed to be buying the game without a parents consent at the time of purchase, so why should it be any different for the movie?
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10/28/2013 09:29 PM (UTC)
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They've distributed and produced horror movies and other R rated films, I see no reason they can't do the same with Mortal Kombat.

Because it's based on franchise catering to the children and teenagers. MK is as much pop-culture icon as tights clad superheroes and must bring money as said heroes. They wouldn't make movie very violent unless they want to receive R rating and subsequently lose audience and profits. MK is not some "high" art or whatever to playing risky games with ratings.
Afterall, first movie was profitable despite low level of violence. Undoubtedly it will play its role too.

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Mortal Kombat fans are notorious for never being pleased with anything though unless of course it's a retelling of MK-MK3. That shit gets eaten up.

Generally, MK fans not so bad, when being compared to people from other fandoms, like Castlevania or Sonic ones. There are few loud and strange characters, but generally MK fans are much friendier and adequate than some others.
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10/29/2013 12:36 AM (UTC)
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Never. MK has one of the most broken bases of any game especially a major fighting game franchise.

But yeah I can see how WB would want to go the PG13 route. Casually it appeals to superhero fans and would be a summer blockbuster type of movie.
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10/29/2013 01:36 AM (UTC)
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A part of me is happy but a small part of me is sad but mostly happy. good luck to Kt
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10/29/2013 01:57 AM (UTC)
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oracle Wrote:
blacksaibot Wrote:
Seriously? You're one of those people who thinks the number of hits on a youtube video directly correlates to positive feedback?
Mortal Kombat fans are notorious for never being pleased with anything though unless of course it's a retelling of MK-MK3. That shit gets eaten up.


MK fans aren't particularly more notorious for being unsatisfied than other online fandom. Complainers are the loudest, that's a rule of humanity.
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10/29/2013 03:39 AM (UTC)
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I wouldn't mind a PG13 MK film......As long as they stay away from corny ass shit like that fucking Woody Woodpecker-esque Gargoyle thing that ate Jade, or what was supposed to pass for Jade. Honestly, Annihilation looked and seemed like it was directed and written by people smoking something really, really bad. Granted, Power Rangers was the "It" thing during the 90's...That doesn't mean Mortal Kombat needs to be that fucking dumbed down to make a quick buck.
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10/29/2013 03:50 AM (UTC)
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Except there was Alien: Ressurection, what Whedon tried to pass off as being shortcut by he biz. Basically they shot his script. That movie was abysmal because he made it so, not because the script was altered by higher ups to such extent. I do not see Whedon as a suitable choice. Most of his production left me cold.





I wonder...

technically the only thing that reforged interest in MK was the Rebirth trailer, and the imminent release of MK9. It might happen that people will not see a new MK movie thanks to the previous two's rep.

Same thing happened to Dredd. The finest action movie as of late, and no one went to see it, because of the Stallone-abomination. It would be wise to work around the impression MK left in people.


And frankly, I think that the impression is either bad, or downright indifference. MK was shocking back then. What has it got now?























I agree with a lot of this. No one outside of diehard fans are clamoring for another movie. There's no demand for it and the casual movie goer doesn't give two craps about MK. Martial arts films aren't "in" right now and haven't been for awhile.

The WB only cares about money. If there isn't any money to be made why bother? People overlook the fact that the first movie was made and released during the height of MK's popularity. We all still love the franchise but it peaked a long time ago in terms of popularity and making the news. It's receded back to it's origianl genre: video games and it's going on 3 years since anything new was released on that front. In the instant gratification society we live in now, people will be over the new game in a year and we'll have to wait 3-5 years for another new game. Outside of video gaming, I just don't see a profitable draw.

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10/29/2013 01:32 PM (UTC)
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AJBlue speaks the truth.
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10/29/2013 01:47 PM (UTC)
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...No one outside of diehard fans are clamoring for another movie. There's no demand for it and the casual movie goer doesn't give two craps about MK. Martial arts films aren't "in" right now and haven't been for awhile...


So there has to be a demand for a particular movie in order for it to be made? People need to stand outside and have rallies before some one decides to create a movie? Did the first generation of MK fans in the 90s protest with picket signs to get the original movie?

I didn't think so.

Just because martial arts films aren't "in" right now doesn't mean they can't revolutionize the genre and MAKE IT "in" again. If you have a good idea and execute it well enough and it's entertaining there's no reason not to be successful.

Why are you gonna wait for some one else to capitalize on an idea so your movie can just be the next copy-cat wanna-be film? Did the creators of The Matrix wait around for someone to do a kick-ass action film with kung fu martial arts? No. They did it first. They got the big bucks because of it.

People don't have to give a shit about Mortal Kombat in order for them to be introduced to the franchise through a movie and actually become fans.

Some of you are ridiculously pessimistic. You sound like those loser executives who turned Johnny Cage down in the first season of MK Legacy.
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10/29/2013 08:59 PM (UTC)
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I for one am glad about this. I didn't like his take on the series much tbh. The fights and stories in season 2 were mediocre at best, there are better fan-made fights on youtube.

I see this as an opportunity for the movie to potentially turn out better than it would have with Tancharoen
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10/30/2013 12:00 AM (UTC)
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I remember them saying they wanted the MK film to be more of a "war" than based on the tournament. I think the film needs to allude to the ORIGINAL Mortal Kombat tournament (Kung Lao beats Shang Tsung, then later falls to Goro) and centuries later, Liu Kang defeats Shang Tsung. The story picks up before the events of Mortal Kombat 2 and depicts the heroes post-tournament before Kahn attacks the White Lotus Temple.

This might just be me, but I really want to see a fight between Kenshi and/or Baraka, Kabal, or vice versa. Just a really good fight scene between characters with iconic weapons. There could be a couple "preliminary" fights in the movie like MK2011's story mode, before one would involve fatalities (just to make more fights)

Examples
Kenshi fights Kabal... no one dies
Then Kenshi or Kabal encounters Baraka, then it's fatality time
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Spider804
10/30/2013 06:47 AM (UTC)
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If they want MK to be a "War" movie, then do the MK3 storyline or even MK4. Shinnok's Army of Darkness fucking shit up, man that would be awesome.
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10/30/2013 07:46 AM (UTC)
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The problem with an MK movie is there are sooo many potential characters and the mythos is huge, too much to explain for a general audience that isn't familiar with the series. Unless they pull a LoTR and plan a trilogy of 3-hr long films based on the first three tournaments, and then some. WB won't just be trying to appeal to the MK fans but to an entire audience of moviegoers. The only way I can see them telling the story correctly is to plan a trilogy or more of films based on the first 3-4 games.

Or a Sub-Zero standalone movie.. remember that rumor?
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10/30/2013 02:41 PM (UTC)
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Some of you are ridiculously pessimistic. You sound like those loser executives who turned Johnny Cage down in the first season of MK Legacy.

It's not pessimism. It's realistic approach to the problem, which in the long run much better, than mindless optimism.

Making movie about martial arts in the middle of the 90s was much easier than nowadays. "Martial arts movie" craze of the 80-s was still fresh in the mind of the general audience. Nowadays, martial arts movies is a quite niche genre and most video game movies are either complete shit or nothing special. So making feature movie with such premise would be a risky move.

As for the Matrix - its main attraction were special effects and style, not fights itself. They were just one of the components of the movie.
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10/30/2013 09:28 PM (UTC)
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Cage shot himself in the foot with those two stupid show proposals. Kevin did likewise with Legacy after a promising first season.

No pessimism needed.
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Goro Still Lives
10/31/2013 12:34 AM (UTC)
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RedSumac speaks the truth - Great job capturing an understanding the American film business.
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10/31/2013 01:18 AM (UTC)
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RedSumac speaks the truth - Great job capturing an understanding the American film business.


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10/31/2013 02:21 AM (UTC)
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blacksaibot Wrote:
Just because martial arts films aren't "in" right now doesn't mean they can't revolutionize the genre and MAKE IT "in" again. If you have a good idea and execute it well enough and it's entertaining there's no reason not to be successful.
Why are you gonna wait for some one else to capitalize on an idea so your movie can just be the next copy-cat wanna-be film? Did the creators of The Matrix wait around for someone to do a kick-ass action film with kung fu martial arts? No. They did it first. They got the big bucks because of it.
People don't have to give a shit about Mortal Kombat in order for them to be introduced to the franchise through a movie and actually become fans.


blacksaibot speaks the truth - Great job capturing an understanding the fact mortal kombat shouldnt have to wait for martial arts films to be back "in" to justify its development and release.

At least some one understands what taking the inniative means.

Oh let's wait for other countries to develop better technology before we decide its the right time to do it too while we're at it, instead of doing it first and doing it better. That's definitely how people get ahead in this world, being second fucking place.

OR EVEN BETTER let's wait until fighting games are back in and put a hault on mortal kombat all together. FPS and MMORPGs are just too mainstream right now....fuckin' idiots.
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10/31/2013 04:47 AM (UTC)
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All I know is, before I die, I just want one decent MK film, something at least better than Annihilation. Honestly, that shouldn't be TOO much to ask for.
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10/31/2013 06:08 AM (UTC)
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All I know is, before I die, I just want one decent MK film, something at least better than Annihilation. Honestly, that shouldn't be TOO much to ask for.


Well if we leave it up to people like gorostilllives and redsumac then u get to wait for the rest of the world to start liking martial arts films as their favorite genre. apparently there is absolutely no prorfit in a fantasy action movie. movies like mortal kombat and 47 ronin will just fail miserably!!! enjoy the wait.
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10/31/2013 06:28 AM (UTC)
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It has to be appealing to someone other than MK fans though. Action movies are ALWAYS going to be popular it's just a matter of how to market an MK movie.
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10/31/2013 09:56 AM (UTC)
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Well if we leave it up to people like gorostilllives and redsumac then u get to wait for the rest of the world to start liking martial arts films as their favorite genre. apparently there is absolutely no prorfit in a fantasy action movie. movies like mortal kombat and 47 ronin will just fail miserably!!! enjoy the wait.

I recommend to level up your reading comprehension.

I never said, that new MK movie should never be made or should be made only if martial arts movie will be a fad again. I only stated, that making martial arts movie nowadays will be harder, from advertising point of view, which actually true. It's not about initiative, it's about reality and payoff, which seemingly some fans prefer to forget in order to further sustain their unfounded optimistic views.

In order for new MK movie to be popular and succesfull it needs not only to be a good movie, but it also must have appeal to the modern audience. No matter how much fans prefer to think that the live of the franchise is in their hands, in reality it's in the hands of the general audience. Hence the movie must be understable, entertaining and interesting for the modern young people, not adults who were rised on the Van Damm flicks back in the 90s. No amount of cool fights will make MK movie superhit. It possibly can become minor "cult classic" liked only by fans and no-one else, but I believe it is not what WB wants from the franchise.

Bottom line: new MK movie should not be just generic movie about martial arts, like one from 90s. It should be some sort of adventure movie or action movie with fights being just part of the picture.
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