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01/09/2004 01:52 PM EST
I had an idea for you about how to introduce Cage but if you didn't want him to be a main character then it might not be such a good idea plus it turns him into a ninja. If you would still like to hear it I'll post it though.
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RE: MK - A New Dawn : WOW!!!
01/09/2004 04:48 PM EST
Well, truth be told I don't like it sad.
I feel it has the same problems as the last time it was released, or the prologue was released, or whatever happened the last time.

If you want you can go and dig up my comments from the last time, but I feel it suffers the same symptoms.

I personally don't like the whole, using the colourforce ninjas as main characters part.
And secondly, I'm not keen on Shao Kahn being Shinnok's son like in MKA, I think I read that somewhere in it as well.

But either way, as I said, I'm not liking it. Sorry sad.
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01/09/2004 05:12 PM EST
You'd think that if you could change the fact that Ermac and Rain died, you could also change one of the other big flaws from MKA, the whole Kahn-and-Shinnok relationship.
I liked the bit where Jax and Sonya fought and Jax killed her. I thought that was great.
I thought most (if not all) dialogue sequences were just terrible, filled with insanely cheesy lines, unecessary childishness, and more cheesy lines.
Scorpion has to find out if he's truly the chosen one? What Scorpion? Where is Scorpion? What did you do to him?
The character in that screenplay is NOT Scorpion. There are no possible similarities between the two whatsoever. MKR got pissed at me when I said this before, and he attacked me - as always- saying that what the screenplay did to Scorpion was the same thing MKC did to Scorpion.
Ahem, right. Mortal Kombat Conquest made Scorpion the evil-ish badass he was in the games and movie. It developed his character without completely ruining the 'feel' the games had created for him. ''I must find out if I'm the chosen one.'' Right-o.
I'd quote the lines I hated the most, but it's just easier to provide a link to the screenplay.
Evil Liu Kang would've actually worked out quite well, if you hadn't filled him with a bunch of cheesy evil lines.
I can't believe you spent millenia on this thing. It really is simply beyond me.
The 'pix' aren't really all that great. Some are very, VERY, VEEEERY nice. But Vorpax's cleavage glowing yellow does NOT make for a good costume, especially if the entire pic is shaded purple.
If this 'sequel' MUST happen, then please try not to keep the quality from part 1.
I would apreciate it if you would divide the screenplay into more scenes. I skipped quite alot, overall (yes, it's still legal for me to critisize the screenplay even though I didn't read all of it. OMG!!1!).
I underline yet again, that I didn't like the idea of the ninjas as the main characters. I mean, shit, maybe they could work out well as the supporting main characters, but Scorpion the chosen one?! Sektor, Cyrax and Smoke speaking robot but fighting for good?

Actually, I've come to realize that the big problem with the screenplay is not so much the dialogue (although it did play a big role in wasting my time), but the characters.
What I mean is, I think you should try to write a prequel or something. Something that allows you to make your own characters, instead of destroying ones we already know, because basically, what you did was take character names and change their persona completely. I think you could actually pull off a nice MK screenplay if you'd make your own, completely new characters.

Overall rating:

as an MK fan: 2/10

as just some guy who likes to watch movies: 4/10

as some guy who knows NOTHING of MK, but then went to play the videogames. 2/10

as me: -infinite/10
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RE: MK - A New Dawn : WOW!!!
01/09/2004 05:29 PM EST

Don't worry Tim, I got you covered. Here are some of Tim's earlier posts concerning MKAND...

Posted by TimsMK:

Well, I did read it all, and I have to say. It's pure CHEESE.

I found it embarassing to read.
All of the lines seem like the characters are just rambling on, they have no feeling, it makes them feel like they have no personality, speaking of which, they don't seem like the MK characters that we know and (mostly) love.

It definately needs some changes, some large changes, possibly even to be completely re-written. I really couldn't stop cringing all the way through that, sorry .

All I know is this. Scorpion is a badass, one of the many reasons he is liked by the fans.
I'm not too sure of the story of MK:AND, however, as Li Mei is mentioned and involved, I would imagine it's sometime around MKDA, and possibly during MK4. During the time of MK4-MKDA Scorpion learns of his family's death at Quan's hands, and so he is in pursuit of Quan Chi. While this sort of ties into this story here, as they are trying to bring Quan down, Scorpion is a lone, wild-card warrior. He doesn't ally with anybody, he's just on a quest to avenge his family's death so his soul can rest. If he ever does ally, we could assume it's for something in return, i.e. in MK4, where Quan offered him life to hunt down Subby. Other than that I couldn't see why he would ally with them. Though maybe I'm missing a large part of the MK:AND story, but in MKDA he went off on his own as well, so with that, I just couldn't see him allying with anybody (especially after how it went in MK4).
Next, his personality. He's being pretty friendly and almost like he wants to have a conversation. As I said, Scorp is a badass, some nightmares wouldn't bother him for one, particularly about his wife/family as he knows that their avengance is on its way.

Raiden is a god of few words, he likes to let the mortals figure things out for themselves, which also makes me question how much he seems to help them in this.

And of course, there is more, but I think you get it.
I must admit I don't know what the story of MK:AND actually is, though I'm guessing it's Raiden assembling fighters for a war against Shinnok's army. Heh, guessing, but after reading the scene, it just seems like it wouldn't fit well into any MK story, as mentioned, the characters all act very casual, almost like they have no personality to them. Scorpion is a wild-card, bent on revenge, Li Mei is probably not ready to trust anybody so easily.

I think you get the picture though. I hope that helps .

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Gah, If I'd have realized it was a fan project I would have been much, much nicer, lol.
Sorry, *hits himself with a spongie ball*.

Some of those posts are from earlier versions of the screenplay (but from what I read, it's not like there's alot of diference between the two).

See the last bit? Where Tim says he wouldn't have been so severe, if he knew MKAND was a fan-made project? Yes, well, I hope that enlightens you on what Tim really meant when he said he ''didn't like the screenplay''.

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RE: MK - A New Dawn : WOW!!!
01/09/2004 05:33 PM EST
I totally disagree with your review because it's not very valid:

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You'd think that if you could change the fact that Ermac and Rain died, you could also change one of the other big flaws from MKA, the whole Kahn-and-Shinnok relationship.
That wasn't the flaw; The Rayden and Shinnok father/son relationship was a flaw, and that was changed in this screenplay. Nobody seemed to have a problem with Kahn/Shinnok; personally I think it makes more sense.



I liked the bit where Jax and Sonya fought and Jax killed her. I thought that was great.

I agree.
I thought most (if not all) dialogue sequences were just terrible, filled with insanely cheesy lines, unecessary childishness, and more cheesy lines.

Granted, some of the dialogue was a bit weak. However, some was suprisingly well done. The Rayden/Sonya conversation was easily one of the best written scenes in terms of dialogue, definately up to par with the films.

Scorpion has to find out if he's truly the chosen one? What Scorpion? Where is Scorpion? What did you do to him?
The character in that screenplay is NOT Scorpion. There are no possible similarities between the two whatsoever. MKR got pissed at me when I said this before, and he attacked me - as always- saying that what the screenplay did to Scorpion was the same thing MKC did to Scorpion.
Ahem, right. Mortal Kombat Conquest made Scorpion the evil-ish badass he was in the games and movie. It developed his character without completely ruining the 'feel' the games had created for him. ''I must find out if I'm the chosen one.'' Right-o.

I have to disagree, being a huge Scorpion fan. I think it was their intention to do something different to Scorpion; It was a nice twist IMO. And it's not a bastardation of the character; His evil past is pointed out so many times throughout the screenplay, so you can't say his character wasn't well represented.

I'd quote the lines I hated the most, but it's just easier to provide a link to the screenplay.
Evil Liu Kang would've actually worked out quite well, if you hadn't filled him with a bunch of cheesy evil lines.
I can't believe you spent millenia on this thing. It really is simply beyond me.
The 'pix' aren't really all that great. Some are very, VERY, VEEEERY nice. But Vorpax's cleavage glowing yellow does NOT make for a good costume, especially if the entire pic is shaded purple.
If this 'sequel' MUST happen, then please try not to keep the quality from part 1.

The pics are very impressive; They actually help you 'see' what you're reading.

I would apreciate it if you would divide the screenplay into more scenes. I skipped quite alot, overall (yes, it's still legal for me to critisize the screenplay even though I didn't read all of it. OMG!!1!).
I underline yet again, that I didn't like the idea of the ninjas as the main characters. I mean, shit, maybe they could work out well as the supporting main characters, but Scorpion the chosen one?! Sektor, Cyrax and Smoke speaking robot but fighting for good?

Again, I think it was their intention to do someting different. IMO, the ninjas worked very well.

Actually, I've come to realize that the big problem with the screenplay is not so much the dialogue (although it did play a big role in wasting my time), but the characters.
What I mean is, I think you should try to write a prequel or something. Something that allows you to make your own characters, instead of destroying ones we already know, because basically, what you did was take character names and change their persona completely. I think you could actually pull off a nice MK screenplay if you'd make your own, completely new characters.

I disagree; I actually liked it a ton. It was very different, and that's why I think you didn't like it. To me, it was very interesting and better than MKA, up to par with the first film. As for the characters, I can see what you mean with Scorpion, but the others... Most of the characters were new anyway, so how can you say they were turned different?!

Overall rating:

as an MK fan: 2/10

as just some guy who likes to watch movies: 4/10

as some guy who knows NOTHING of MK, but then went to play the videogames. 2/10

as me: -infinite/10

Honestly I think you simply don't like the concept of the ninjas being the central characters. I myself felt that was a good idea; I wouldn't want another MKA; How many times can wee See Liu, Rayden, Sonya, etc. doing the same thing over and over? Sure it wasn't the best screenplay ever, but I enjoyed it; And that's not my opinion; Most of the reviews in this topic were positive. I think you just have a negative mind; I doubt you actually WANTED this to be good.
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RE: MK - A New Dawn : WOW!!!
01/09/2004 05:46 PM EST

Wait...
MY opinion is not valid because YOU disagree with me? That's some fucking great way of logic, you got there. You didn't see me saying that your opinion is ''invalid'' because I disagree with you. I completely respect your opinion. If you think that so called 'dialogue' is at times inteligent, that's your opinion. If you liked what they did to Scorpion, that's your opinion. If you liked the way the ninjas were handled, god damn it, it's your own valid opinion. But I disagree.
Don't tell me my opinion isn't valid because you disagree. Everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion, dispite how dumb they might sound to others.
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01/10/2004 01:21 AM EST
Believe me, I'm not the only one that disagrees with you (check the thread for numerous positive reviews). It's just that the way you talk, it's like you know everything or something. Your opinion is just that, yours, and you do NOT speak for MK fans in general (not that you ever said you do; you just speak like you do).

It's also funny how you point out all the negative things in the script in terms of dialogue; Why not post the positive as well? And believe me when I say there's a lot more positive then negative; You just purposely didn't point it out. Don't you think it would be more fair to the writers if you balance everything out?

It's like telling people the first MK film sucked because it wasn't true to the characters; ex. Sco/Sub under Shang's power. Would it be fair if I point that out and say the movie sucked, yet I don't say anything that the film did right? It wouldn't be fair now would, it be? So what if MKAND doesn't follow the storyline, that was it's intention, obviously. The first MK film didn't neither, and look how great that was.

I respect your opinion, and just b/c I disagree, does NOT mean its not valid; However, it is my opinion that your review is NOT valid (at least to me, anyway) simply because it's not a fair one and therefore should be overlooked. Next time right a fair review, instead of lets say, only pointing out only the cons. Again, I agree with some of the negative aspects of the script you mentioned, but you purposely never mentioned the pros, which is messed up whether you believe it or not.

I've read many MK Fan Fiction's before, and mkand was by FAR the best. Sure it's not perfect, but I chose to look at both the positive and negetave aspects of the screenplay, something which obviously you failed to do. Again, next time come up with a fair review, and actually state all the pros as well as the cons, instead of just concentrating on the cons.

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Wait...
MY opinion is not valid because YOU disagree with me? That's some fucking great way of logic, you got there. You didn't see me saying that your opinion is ''invalid'' because I disagree with you. I completely respect your opinion. If you think that so called 'dialogue' is at times inteligent, that's your opinion. If you liked what they did to Scorpion, that's your opinion. If you liked the way the ninjas were handled, god damn it, it's your own valid opinion. But I disagree.
Don't tell me my opinion isn't valid because you disagree. Everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion, dispite how dumb they might sound to others.

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RE: MK - A New Dawn : WOW!!!
01/10/2004 01:27 AM EST
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Don't worry Tim, I got you covered. Here are some of Tim's earlier posts concerning MKAND...

That's it, don't hesitate to post a negative review, it might just make you feel better...
Posted by TimsMK:
Well, I did read it all, and I have to say. It's pure CHEESE.
I found it embarassing to read. All of the lines seem like the characters are just rambling on, they have no feeling, it makes them feel like they have no personality, speaking of which, they don't seem like the MK characters that we know and (mostly) love.
It definately needs some changes, some large changes, possibly even to be completely re-written. I really couldn't stop cringing all the way through that, sorry .
Here's a few things:
"Scorpion: Every night. I don't understand why."
One of Scorpion's lines. All I know is this. Scorpion is a badass, one of the many reasons he is liked by the fans. I'm not too sure of the story of MK:AND, however, as Li Mei is mentioned and involved, I would imagine it's sometime around MKDA, and possibly during MK4. During the time of MK4-MKDA Scorpion learns of his family's death at Quan's hands, and so he is in pursuit of Quan Chi. While this sort of ties into this story here, as they are trying to bring Quan down, Scorpion is a lone, wild-card warrior. He doesn't ally with anybody, he's just on a quest to avenge his family's death so his soul can rest. If he ever does ally, we could assume it's for something in return, i.e. in MK4, where Quan offered him life to hunt down Subby. Other than that I couldn't see why he would ally with them. Though maybe I'm missing a large part of the MK:AND story, but in MKDA he went off on his own as well, so with that, I just couldn't see him allying with anybody (especially after how it went in MK4). Next, his personality. He's being pretty friendly and almost like he wants to have a conversation. As I said, Scorp is a badass, some nightmares wouldn't bother him for one, particularly about his wife/family as he knows that their avengance is on its way.
"Rayden: Welcome to our headquarters."
Erm, well, this is one of those that I cringed at multiple times . HQ huh? Pretty fancy. But I just don't see it somehow, and I don't see Raiden saying it either. Raiden is a god of few words, he likes to let the mortals figure things out for themselves, which also makes me question how much he seems to help them in this.
"Li Mei: Yeah, I can."
Very casual. She has lost her people, friends etc. And she speakes about Shinnok's army casually?
"Rayden: We will supply you with a room, food, liquor, anything your greedy soul desires."
I have no doubt you knew this was coming, but it's just something that needs not to be said. And it's also very casual. Well, actually the whole thing is spoken a bit casually, like talking to your friends.
"Li Mei: Am I...? Who are you? Rayden: I am Rayden, God of Thunder and protector of Earth Realm. She bows her head. Li Mei: Lord Rayden... I prayed for you for help-"
If Li Mei prayed for him, she must know who he is, and what he lookes like. But, chances are if she's lived on the Outworld all her life, that she wouldn't even know him in the first place. Here however, first she doesn't know him, and then she completely trusts him. Very quick to trust people, wouldn't imagine it after losing her people.
And of course, there is more, but I think you get it. I must admit I don't know what the story of MK:AND actually is, though I'm guessing it's Raiden assembling fighters for a war against Shinnok's army. Heh, guessing, but after reading the scene, it just seems like it wouldn't fit well into any MK story, as mentioned, the characters all act very casual, almost like they have no personality to them. Scorpion is a wild-card, bent on revenge, Li Mei is probably not ready to trust anybody so easily.
I think you get the picture though. I hope that helps .
"Liu Kang: You shall not succeed in your plot. The other elder gods will find out, and you will be sent back to the Netherealm. Shinnok: You can't win, surrender to me now! If you do, I will spare your lives (knowing to himself he won't). Sonya: Never Shinnok Lui Kang: I'll end this."
Am I alone on this when I say, CHEESE? That sounds so cheesy it's beyond belief.
"You shall not succeed in your plot?" - What the hell is that?
And what's with all the spelling, I think one time in the whole document did he say "Liu Kang" instead of "Lui Kang". Infact, the one time he said it is in that paste above.
Meh, well, it's something I guess.
Gah, If I'd have realized it was a fan project I would have been much, much nicer, lol. Sorry, *hits himself with a spongie ball*.

Some of those posts are from earlier versions of the screenplay (but from what I read, it's not like there's alot of diference between the two).
See the last bit? Where Tim says he wouldn't have been so severe, if he knew MKAND was a fan-made project? Yes, well, I hope that enlightens you on what Tim really meant when he said he ''didn't like the screenplay''.

That was funny; ALL of what you posted is NOT in the script at all. Was this actually ever in it? Or did you make it up?

Regardless, who cares about previous versions? Obviously it's not up to par with what's out. You pointing out the negatives of an older version just shows how ignorant you are; It's NOT valid, and it misrepresents the screenplay. And obviously, people can't read the older version, so that post was COMPLETELY useless.

Nice try to spread even more negativity on mkand; Next time try to actually use examples from the real one instead of an old crappy version that's not even online (assuming that was the case, which I doubt. regardless it can't be read, which means it's useless, like your post.)
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RE: MK - A New Dawn : WOW!!!
01/10/2004 08:11 AM EST

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It's also funny how you point out all the negative things in the script in terms of dialogue; Why not post the positive as well?



I pointed out everything I considered positive. The Jax thing.

themkmaster Wrote:
And believe me when I say there's a lot more positive then negative; You just purposely didn't point it out.


Read above. It's your opinion that the script had lots of marvelous little things. It's my opinion that it didn't. Why you can't you accept that I liked almost nothing in MKAND? Why must everything you liked be liked by others?

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It's like telling people the first MK film sucked because it wasn't true to the characters; ex. Sco/Sub under Shang's power. Would it be fair if I point that out and say the movie sucked, yet I don't say anything that the film did right? It wouldn't be fair now would, it be?


The whole ''scorpion's character was ruined'' thing was not the only thing I disliked about MKAND.
And, even though the MK Movie didn't develop Scorpion and Sub-Zero's characters like the games did, it didn't completely change them around like MKAND. In MK, Scorpion was still evil. He was still a badass and his lack of lines actually made him more mysterious and more badass.
Plus, the MK Movie had great dialogue. MKAND... did not.

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So what if MKAND doesn't follow the storyline, that was it's intention, obviously. The first MK film didn't neither, and look how great that was.

Yes, but the MK movie still had a good storyline, even though it wasn't from the games. MKAND has a diferent story from the games- I don't mind that at all. I just wish it didn't suck.

As for the TimsMK post, blame him, not me. He's the one who told you to go check up on his old posts from the earlier versions. I simply quoted them all and placed them here, so MKScorpion1 doesn't get spoiled. I want him to know that I'm not infact the only one who hates the script.
OBVIOUSLY I didn't make those lines up (god, what a terrible, terrible idea that is. If I made lines like that, I'd shoot myself), if anyone made those lines up, it was Tim- and I know he didn't, I read those lines myself, and hated them.
OBVIOUSLY they were change, but the point is, the dialogue still has it's wiff of cheese and childishness.

My review is invalid because I don't point out the good things in the script...well, let me ask you this: WHAT GOOD THINGS?
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RE: MK - A New Dawn : WOW!!!
01/10/2004 12:32 PM EST
everyone is entitled to their opinion. thats yours. but you have to realize that there were a whole lot of postive reviews. and i think your opinion is valid, it just needs to be alittle more fair. i mean, youre taking this too seriously as if it really IS a real movie. i mean come on. its fan fiction. and i did follow mk storyline. i used the amulet thing from mk mythologies and mk4, i had scorp finding out bout his family and avenging them, i used a bunch of things. and so if i tweaked a few things, i only did that so the story flowed better and so that it tied more characters together. and everyone, except maybe like one or two characters, had reasons for being there. jarek wanted to get back at sonya for killing kano, mavado and hsu hao wanting to kill kenshi(and whats the problem if i create things like kenshi, big deal). the movies did that all the time. plus, in the mk games, each person had there own storylines and endings. i simply tried to link them all
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RE: MK - A New Dawn : WOW!!!
01/10/2004 03:05 PM EST
Zentile, you must have trouble reading or something. I already pointed out the positives of mkand in this topic (duh I started it), and so did numerous others.

And I think you did make up those lines (well you promised you'd shoot yourself if you did, so keep your word).

If you still can't find anything positive about mkand, read it again and again; obviously you are the only person in this forum that feels this way (again, take a look at the script responses one more time if you don't believe me).

You come off very biased in your review, 'oh it sucks, i would kill myself if i wrote this'. You call that a review? You say the dialogue is childish, but the only thing that's childish is the way you handled your responses.

You asked for the positives, even though I already mentioned them. I'll do you a favor:
PROS:

-All the characters have purpose and add to the story.
-Tons of character development.
-Lots of twists and surprises.
-Rayden's lines are hilarious.
-Mileena's character was an awesome an unexpected twist.
-The story was awesome; It wasn't completely faithful to MK, which was good in a way; It wasn't predictable, and it caused several plot twists.
-Excellent pics; They actually helped me 'see' what I was reading.
-Great choice for cast.
-Some of the dialogue is superb.

Now, b/c I want this to be a FAIR review, unlike you, I'll point out the cons.
-Some dialogue here and there is rather cheesy.
-I didn't like the ninjas as a main characters, but they were handled with care.

Well, that's it for the negatives. I would use dialogue from the 'older version', assuming there was one, but even if their was, it's not valid, so there's no point to comment on that. If you don't understand that, I'm not going to help you with that.

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themkmaster Wrote:
It's also funny how you point out all the negative things in the script in terms of dialogue; Why not post the positive as well?



I pointed out everything I considered positive. The Jax thing.

themkmaster Wrote:
And believe me when I say there's a lot more positive then negative; You just purposely didn't point it out.


Read above. It's your opinion that the script had lots of marvelous little things. It's my opinion that it didn't. Why you can't you accept that I liked almost nothing in MKAND? Why must everything you liked be liked by others?

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It's like telling people the first MK film sucked because it wasn't true to the characters; ex. Sco/Sub under Shang's power. Would it be fair if I point that out and say the movie sucked, yet I don't say anything that the film did right? It wouldn't be fair now would, it be?


The whole ''scorpion's character was ruined'' thing was not the only thing I disliked about MKAND.
And, even though the MK Movie didn't develop Scorpion and Sub-Zero's characters like the games did, it didn't completely change them around like MKAND. In MK, Scorpion was still evil. He was still a badass and his lack of lines actually made him more mysterious and more badass.
Plus, the MK Movie had great dialogue. MKAND... did not.

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So what if MKAND doesn't follow the storyline, that was it's intention, obviously. The first MK film didn't neither, and look how great that was.

Yes, but the MK movie still had a good storyline, even though it wasn't from the games. MKAND has a diferent story from the games- I don't mind that at all. I just wish it didn't suck.

As for the TimsMK post, blame him, not me. He's the one who told you to go check up on his old posts from the earlier versions. I simply quoted them all and placed them here, so MKScorpion1 doesn't get spoiled. I want him to know that I'm not infact the only one who hates the script.
OBVIOUSLY I didn't make those lines up (god, what a terrible, terrible idea that is. If I made lines like that, I'd shoot myself), if anyone made those lines up, it was Tim- and I know he didn't, I read those lines myself, and hated them.
OBVIOUSLY they were change, but the point is, the dialogue still has it's wiff of cheese and childishness.

My review is invalid because I don't point out the good things in the script...well, let me ask you this: WHAT GOOD THINGS?

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RE: MK - A New Dawn : WOW!!!
01/10/2004 07:48 PM EST
MKScorpion1, I told you, I don't mind about the storyline not being 100% the same as the games. I really don't care. I myself suggested you did something completely diferent from the games, but I doupt MKR told you that.
Also, I'm the one who's taking MKAND too seriously? May I remind you of the super deleted scenes? The all brand new super edition X previews? The BILLIONS of POINTLESS threads you created about MKAND? The super hyper mega Alpha Beta Teta Gamma hype Exclusive sneak previews?
You're the one who tried to fabricate a great deal of hype. Not me.

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Zentile, you must have trouble reading or something. I already pointed out the positives of mkand in this topic (duh I started it), and so did numerous others.


Don't you get it? Those things were positive in YOUR OPINION, not mine. God damn it.

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And I think you did make up those lines (well you promised you'd shoot yourself if you did, so keep your word).


Ask MKScorpion1, then. I didn't make those up.

themkmaster Wrote:

If you still can't find anything positive about mkand, read it again and again; obviously you are the only person in this forum that feels this way (again, take a look at the script responses one more time if you don't believe me).


Right...ALL people in the forum posted that they liked MKAND? No, not all. Infact, the only ones that did were a bunch of people I've never even heard of. They hardly represent the entire board. Obviously, I'm not saying I represent the entire forums. I'm just saying I DIDN'T LIKE MKAND, even though you liked it. Yap, believe it or not, genious. Not only me, a rather large sum of people also from this forum which I have talked to about the script. TimsMK being one of them, and unless you're a complete newbie, you'll know TimsMK is a wise, and inteligent veteran of the forums.
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You come off very biased in your review, 'oh it sucks, i would kill myself if i wrote this'. You call that a review? You say the dialogue is childish, but the only thing that's childish is the way you handled your responses.


That wasn't my review. That was just an annoyed me replying at something you said. You see, you don't get it- I'm being quite fair about MKAND. Those things you consider positive, I don't. I've said this, how many times now...? God, I lost count.
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You asked for the positives, even though I already mentioned them. I'll do you a favor:
PROS:

-All the characters have purpose and add to the story.
-Tons of character development.
-Lots of twists and surprises.
-Rayden's lines are hilarious.
-Mileena's character was an awesome an unexpected twist.
-The story was awesome; It wasn't completely faithful to MK, which was good in a way; It wasn't predictable, and it caused several plot twists.
-Excellent pics; They actually helped me 'see' what I was reading.
-Great choice for cast.
-Some of the dialogue is superb.



I'm sure all those things were handled in a very positive way in your world. I'm sure they are indeed positive things for you. THEY ARE NOT POSITIVE FOR ME.

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Now, b/c I want this to be a FAIR review, unlike you, I'll point out the cons.
-Some dialogue here and there is rather cheesy.
-I didn't like the ninjas as a main characters, but they were handled with care.

Well, that's it for the negatives. I would use dialogue from the 'older version', assuming there was one, but even if their was, it's not valid, so there's no point to comment on that. If you don't understand that, I'm not going to help you with that.


Those were infact the only negative things in the script. And they are really not all that important... FOR YOU. I disagree. Get it?

Let me try to put it nice and simple for you:

YOU
AND
ME
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OPINIONS


Has it ever crossed your mind, that I may not like the same things you do?

EDIT: By the way, why don't you try to annoy those nice folks that replied to this thread stating why they liked MKAND, but did not, however, state what they didn't like about it? If I had only said what I liked about MKAND, would you still be annoying me with that ''your review is invalid because you are not being fair'' crap?
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01/10/2004 08:19 PM EST
My problem isn't that your review was negative. Of course I don't expect everyone to share the same opinions, be it good or bad.

However, you pointed out several negatives from an old draft. I agreee, it sucked. BUT WHY POINT it out if it's NOT valid? It's NOT the version that's online, and YOU KNOW THAT; So what if it"s real or not? NOBODY will ever see it, so you pointing it out shows that you purposely WANT TO MISREPRESENT MK-AND.

You concentrated mostly with an unreleased version when you talked about the cons. Why not use the real one instead? Granted, you did say the dialogue is bad, and I agree to some degree. My problem is that the examples you used to represent this was from a crappy older version.

BOTTOM LINE - THAT WAS NOT FAIR!! If you can't understand that, I don't know what else to say.

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MKScorpion1, I told you, I don't mind about the storyline not being 100% the same as the games. I really don't care. I myself suggested you did something completely diferent from the games, but I doupt MKR told you that.
Also, I'm the one who's taking MKAND too seriously? May I remind you of the super deleted scenes? The all brand new super edition X previews? The BILLIONS of POINTLESS threads you created about MKAND? The super hyper mega Alpha Beta Teta Gamma hype Exclusive sneak previews?
You're the one who tried to fabricate a great deal of hype. Not me.

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Zentile, you must have trouble reading or something. I already pointed out the positives of mkand in this topic (duh I started it), and so did numerous others.


Don't you get it? Those things were positive in YOUR OPINION, not mine. God damn it.

themkmaster Wrote:

And I think you did make up those lines (well you promised you'd shoot yourself if you did, so keep your word).


Ask MKScorpion1, then. I didn't make those up.

themkmaster Wrote:

If you still can't find anything positive about mkand, read it again and again; obviously you are the only person in this forum that feels this way (again, take a look at the script responses one more time if you don't believe me).


Right...ALL people in the forum posted that they liked MKAND? No, not all. Infact, the only ones that did were a bunch of people I've never even heard of. They hardly represent the entire board. Obviously, I'm not saying I represent the entire forums. I'm just saying I DIDN'T LIKE MKAND, even though you liked it. Yap, believe it or not, genious. Not only me, a rather large sum of people also from this forum which I have talked to about the script. TimsMK being one of them, and unless you're a complete newbie, you'll know TimsMK is a wise, and inteligent veteran of the forums.
themkmaster Wrote:

You come off very biased in your review, 'oh it sucks, i would kill myself if i wrote this'. You call that a review? You say the dialogue is childish, but the only thing that's childish is the way you handled your responses.


That wasn't my review. That was just an annoyed me replying at something you said. You see, you don't get it- I'm being quite fair about MKAND. Those things you consider positive, I don't. I've said this, how many times now...? God, I lost count.
themkmaster Wrote:
You asked for the positives, even though I already mentioned them. I'll do you a favor:
PROS:

-All the characters have purpose and add to the story.
-Tons of character development.
-Lots of twists and surprises.
-Rayden's lines are hilarious.
-Mileena's character was an awesome an unexpected twist.
-The story was awesome; It wasn't completely faithful to MK, which was good in a way; It wasn't predictable, and it caused several plot twists.
-Excellent pics; They actually helped me 'see' what I was reading.
-Great choice for cast.
-Some of the dialogue is superb.



I'm sure all those things were handled in a very positive way in your world. I'm sure they are indeed positive things for you. THEY ARE NOT POSITIVE FOR ME.

themkmaster Wrote:

Now, b/c I want this to be a FAIR review, unlike you, I'll point out the cons.
-Some dialogue here and there is rather cheesy.
-I didn't like the ninjas as a main characters, but they were handled with care.

Well, that's it for the negatives. I would use dialogue from the 'older version', assuming there was one, but even if their was, it's not valid, so there's no point to comment on that. If you don't understand that, I'm not going to help you with that.


Those were infact the only negative things in the script. And they are really not all that important... FOR YOU. I disagree. Get it?

Let me try to put it nice and simple for you:

YOU
AND
ME
DO NOT
SHARE
THE SAME
OPINIONS


Has it ever crossed your mind, that I may not like the same things you do?
EDIT: By the way, why don't you try to annoy those nice folks that replied to this thread stating why they liked MKAND, but did not, however, state what they didn't like about it? If I had only said what I liked about MKAND, would you still be annoying me with that ''your review is invalid because you are not being fair'' crap?

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RE: MK - A New Dawn : WOW!!!
01/11/2004 08:41 AM EST
I simply QUOTED TimsMK's older posts. I didn't say those things, Tim did. If he told us to go check his older posts, he obiously isn't critisizing those older lines that have disapeared. He means the dialogue is still crap, even though many lines were changed.
If it'll make you happier, I'll edit my post where I quoted Tim, and I'll take out the bit where he quotes the older version.
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01/11/2004 11:56 AM EST
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I simply QUOTED TimsMK's older posts. I didn't say those things, Tim did.

What's the point of using someone else's post?! I think you already proved you can express your own opinion, so using someone else's is pointless, especially for you.

If he told us to go check his older posts, he obiously isn't critisizing those older lines that have disapeared. He means the dialogue is still crap, even though many lines were changed.

The older lines actually show a huge improvement b/w the first draft and the final version. I'll admit it has some bad spots here and there in dialogue, but even you showed us it IS an improvement by using those horrible lines from the early draft, which btw, were ALL taken out. You should have known this; Did you actually READ the final version?!

If it'll make you happier, I'll edit my post where I quoted Tim, and I'll take out the bit where he quotes the older version.

I don't need you to do anything to make me 'happy'. You're entitled to your opinion, as I mine; and mine is that your review was very biased and unfair. Accept the fact that it's the way I feel about your review.

Oh, and BTW, can you show me a MK Fan fiction better than this, because I have yet to find one.

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RE: MK - A New Dawn : WOW!!!
01/11/2004 02:33 PM EST
I have read BILLIONS of MK Fanfictions that surpass this one by far.
Most (if not all of them) I read at the mk.com message boards, so I think there's no need to explain why I won't be showing you these fan fics.
And even if I had never read a better MK fan fic, that doesn't mean MKAND has to be good.

There's no reason to think my review was unfair. I've stated why it was fair, and you've aparantly agreed with me, since you attacked my latter post which wasn't even my review, simply a quote of Tim. Thank you.
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01/11/2004 07:57 PM EST
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I have read BILLIONS of MK Fanfictions that surpass this one by far.

How conveniant; You're read "BILLIONS", I'm sure. But why can't you even name one?!

Most (if not all of them) I read at the mk.com message boards, so I think there's no need to explain why I won't be showing you these fan fics.

No b/c you never read them. Where are the links? I bet you're gonna say some bs like 'they took them down'....This post is definately your worst, by far.

And even if I had never read a better MK fan fic, that doesn't mean MKAND has to be good.

You're so predictable, it's sad. I knew you would say something like 'i read so many betta onez'... funny how you can say that but you can't even post 1 link. And you expect me to take your review seriously? You must be joking.


There's no reason to think my review was unfair.

There are plenty; Go read my posts again and again until you actually figure out why your review was unfair.

I've stated why it was fair, and you've aparantly agreed with me,

How so? I stated that SOME of the dialogue was a bit weak, that's all. Read my post another time why don't u?

since you attacked my latter post which wasn't even my review, simply a quote of Tim. Thank you.

No, thank you; The quote like I said 100 times was from the unreleased version. Perhaps I have to tell you this 100 more times so it can actually go through your head? Is it that hard for you to understand that those are irrevelant?!
What's the point of mentioning that quote, regardless if it's yours or not?! NOBODY CAN SEE IT, AND IT'S NOT INCLUDED IN THE FINAL VERSION!! What part of that don't you understand?!!!

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01/11/2004 11:35 PM EST
Realizing my opinion counts as much as Rain's appearance in MKA, i just felt maybe I could step in. The topic of this thread is MK- A New Dawn : WOW!!!, MkMaster you put up your review and because I figured that's what you made this thread for I did too, as did Zentile. Now I am not taking sides like either of you want or need people to take your sides, but Zentile did put up a review and he chose to put all the bad things he saw down. Now everyone is entitled to their own opinion and if he chose to do a bad review that's his choice. You can't thrash someone on their own opinion because they think the same way you do, I happen to think MKAND was a good screenplay but just because Zentile trashed it doesn't mean I'm gonna get all over him. Now I do disagree with a lot of things he said about the script but even if i do I can't make him like it the way I do. Now I know it ticks you off what he says because you like it but i'm willing to bet the both of you are mature MK fans so MkMaster drop it because as to where Zentile doesn't like it there are more that do and Zentile you drop it because you have no reason to justify a thing you have said. And if you both can't then just agree on trashing me instead of the script. Hope I helped somewhat.
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01/12/2004 11:15 AM EST
I don't care if you believe me when I say I read much better fanfics than MKAND. That's not the point.
Fine, I'll name some. The chronicles of Scorptile, written by Scorptile, and a whole bunch of stuff Tomas (Aivar) and Siang have written.
Obviously I can't post links. The fanfics were posted at the mk.com messageboards, and the message boards have been taken down. It's not my fault, and if you stil don't believe me- I don't care.

There's no reason to think my review was unfair. As our friendly discussion moved on, you eventually said my review was unfair because I was quoting lines from an earlier version of MKAND. Well that wasn't my review, just a post. And I've taken the quotes down.
Right there you're saying I concentrated on the version that's not online. The only time I did this was with Tim's post.
themkmaster Wrote:
BUT WHY POINT it out if it's NOT valid? It's NOT the version that's online, and YOU KNOW THAT; So what if it"s real or not? NOBODY will ever see it, so you pointing it out shows that you purposely WANT TO MISREPRESENT MK-AND.

You concentrated mostly with an unreleased version when you talked about the cons.


Axdew is right. You made this thread for people to post opinions. Wether you consider my opinion to be ''valid'' or not, that's not the point. You turned your own thread into a flame war. A flame war agaisn't me because my review wasn't ''valid'' in your opinion. We've been going on in circles for days now. You keep telling me I'm not being fair, I keep telling you I am, we're not getting anywhere. I never did anything to upset you, but you came straight at me. You don't have to flame people to defend your opinion, I sure didn't. Did you see me attacking Syko Jones when he posted, talking only about the good things of MKAND? No, you sure didn't.
I grow tired of your annoying - and rather bad- comebacks. So I'm just going to leave this thread. I'm just too god damn tired.

I hope you don't do the predictable thing and call me a pussy, but I guess I'll never know.
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RE: MK - A New Dawn : WOW!!!
01/12/2004 12:47 PM EST
Zentile, you still don't understand why your review is not valid. You think it's because you wrote a negative review, but that's not the case. Obviously after days you still can't comprehend why it's not valid.

And as for me calling you a pussy, I don't have to; You just did that yourself by backing down from this thread.
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01/12/2004 12:49 PM EST
My problem wasn't just with his review; It was the fact that he used examples from an early draft to justify his review. Obviously that wasn't right, whether Zentile will actually realise this or not.
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Realizing my opinion counts as much as Rain's appearance in MKA, i just felt maybe I could step in. The topic of this thread is MK- A New Dawn : WOW!!!, MkMaster you put up your review and because I figured that's what you made this thread for I did too, as did Zentile. Now I am not taking sides like either of you want or need people to take your sides, but Zentile did put up a review and he chose to put all the bad things he saw down. Now everyone is entitled to their own opinion and if he chose to do a bad review that's his choice. You can't thrash someone on their own opinion because they think the same way you do, I happen to think MKAND was a good screenplay but just because Zentile trashed it doesn't mean I'm gonna get all over him. Now I do disagree with a lot of things he said about the script but even if i do I can't make him like it the way I do. Now I know it ticks you off what he says because you like it but i'm willing to bet the both of you are mature MK fans so MkMaster drop it because as to where Zentile doesn't like it there are more that do and Zentile you drop it because you have no reason to justify a thing you have said. And if you both can't then just agree on trashing me instead of the script. Hope I helped somewhat.

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RE: MK - A New Dawn : WOW!!!
01/12/2004 04:48 PM EST
you know what...this bickering between the two of you isnt solving anything. just admit to each other that you both have your own opinions and end all this trash talk. i just wanted mkand to be a success, and I knew thered be a few who wouldnt agree with what i did, and thats fine with me. cant the two of you just "shake hands". theyre just opinions anyways...and everyone has one
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RE: MK - A New Dawn : WOW!!!
01/12/2004 05:52 PM EST
I've tried several times to fight my way through the screenplay, but I just can't do it.
First time, I just looked at a few of the pictures and started cracking up.
Second time, the lack of formating got to me. There needs to be more space between the dialogue and the "action" or something because sometimes it just felt like everything was running together like a bad ff.net fic.
If that ever gets fixed, I'll try again to read it. Whether I like it or not, at least it should be interesting.

p.s. Some people here need to learn how to take negative reviews. Especially if they post things on the internet.

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01/12/2004 08:22 PM EST
yah, i know that there was the tense problems with past and present tense. when i started writing it, for some reason or another, i wrote it in past tense, but then later on i began to write it in present. i guess i never went back to correct the tenses
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RE: MK - A New Dawn : WOW!!!
01/13/2004 12:58 AM EST
Why were you cracking up about the pics? I think they not only went well with the script, but they were very high quality and realistic. As for the formatting of the script, I think you should get past that; You're missing out. IMO opinion it's the best FF on the net; Having images to go along is very rare.

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I've tried several times to fight my way through the screenplay, but I just can't do it.
First time, I just looked at a few of the pictures and started cracking up.
Second time, the lack of formating got to me. There needs to be more space between the dialogue and the "action" or something because sometimes it just felt like everything was running together like a bad ff.net fic.
If that ever gets fixed, I'll try again to read it. Whether I like it or not, at least it should be interesting.

p.s. Some people here need to learn how to take negative reviews. Especially if they post things on the internet.

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