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02/12/2019 10:08 PM (UTC)
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Kitana147

you know this is the same person on the different mk related forums posting the same stuff and getting everyone either annoyed, pissed or both, yet here we are continuing the thread to get them off by getting annoyed at the guy who created it

same image, same code name same effing threads, then he gets annoyed with us getting annoyed with him, i'm same with you @Gillbob316 i became a member here like ive mentioned when mk9 was being talked about cause i was that person going through the threads to see if images were leaked and i was like OMG Kitana and Sonya, or OMG Scorpion images cool then i did the same with MKX, now with mk11 i come on here doing the same thing but then i see MEN sitting here attacking female characters in video games calling them sluts and shit and i ain't having that so i say something, but being a female and getting pissed its more like 'GEEZ WOMAN STFU AND GO COOK ME SOMETHING IN THE KITCHEN' kinda attitude in these threads

so all everyone is doing is egging on this specific person or people on these threads and yeah i too sit here and think WHERE THE FUCK is the mods why are they not deleting these repetitive threads on the same shit or putting them into one thread or better yet banning those a holes from doing it

They’ll eventually take it a step too far. They always do.

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Nuckelavee
02/12/2019 10:15 PM (UTC)
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Yeah, I'm a gay, I have no reason to say something like go to the kitchen or whatever. Humans are all the same to me though, what organs you have below doesn't matter to me, your this planets waste.

If Takeda had Cassie Cage behavior/fatality I would also call him a selfie slut (very different from the sexual slut/whore) just a new-age stupid teenager who only thinks about him/herself in a pathetic way. (Not a cool sinful way)

Cassie is everything I despise in humans from this age, she is their avatar.

Also most of my favorites are females, so try again.

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"You Totally Slept With Him Didn't Ya"

02/12/2019 10:33 PM (UTC)
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yeah look at all these threads Kronika being the first female boss was like i hope she is like shao kahn to SHE'S A WOMAN WHY IS SHE EVEN A BOSS god waste of a character

then theres the 1000000000plus roster what you want cause your butt hurt which is fine dream about your perfect roster i'm not judging but it turns to GOD WHY IS THAT SLUT JACQUI AND CASSIE IN IT like geez they are in it cause they are continuing their storyline like calm the fuck down. if mkx focused so much on Special Forces what else could they do come on guys half of the cool characters were killed off in mk9 and became revenants to Quan Chi who else is alive in the game RAIDEN, SONYA & JOHNNY you don't think with mkx continuing years after mk9 that they tried many times to do what they were doing she had to recruit people train them so they can fight or help distract, you don't think some time during all this sonya and johnny got horny got together had a baby now she is focused on her job come on it's like real life, usually it's the guy who distances himself and women too but she of course wants to focus cause she saw her friends get murdered and wants to stop the assholes who did it

if she stomps on Quan Chi's balls so be it he is still a man does not mean he is weak it just means she got him down during the fight and she had to hurt him where he be in pain for a while.

if they want Cassie to be the new Liu Kang so be it Liu Kang is dead he was murdered by the man who brought him to the tournament so of course him and Kitana will have revenge she's his gf she will do anything for him just like i'm sure he will do anything for her

if they did not die in mk9 and were not changed you really think Sonya and the SF be the main focus they are literally the only good guys aside from others, Kenshi, Scorpion, Jax, Jacqui, Kung Jin, Takeda were all brought in cause they want to make some of those characters grown up like let it be it's your typically good vs bad story

now for mk11 they are trying to fix it we can't have all of those revenants be revenants forever cause it changes stuff if you don't want Cassie as the champion then let NRS do their story see where it goes and freaking relax they will move on eventually it's their story to tell

stop hating on characters a group of guys created to continue on Sonya and Johnny are human they will eventually be killed off and then Cassie and whatever future kids that show up will be the new kombat characters, stop with the hate in the threads if you don't like what nrs is doing ok move on go create your own game and see how long it takes you to do everything and see what people say about your creation

they aren't perfect they know how fans are with their plot hole timelines they try to do this and that but deep down they don't want to get rid of their originals or people they have worked really hard on

you don't want copycats per se then be it Jacqui fights nothing like Jax they are two separate characters and so what if every in the game uses guns cry me a fucking river what else cause they do only people who used guns were Cassie, Erron, Jacqui and Jax that's four like really your butthurt cause 4 people use a gun as their move in a game but your ok with like 15 of them shooting fireballs really this is your argument what would you do if you were up against Shinnok you as a human and him as a elder god you really think you would get power when your parents are humans no family past just humans you think you would win?

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02/12/2019 10:52 PM (UTC)
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Nuckelavee

Yeah, I'm a gay, I have no reason to say something like go to the kitchen or whatever. Humans are all the same to me though, what organs you have below doesn't matter to me, your this planets waste.

If Takeda had Cassie Cage behavior/fatality I would also call him a selfie slut (very different from the sexual slut/whore) just a new-age stupid teenager who only thinks about him/herself in a pathetic way. (Not a cool sinful way)

Cassie is everything I despise in humans from this age, she is their avatar.

Also most of my favorites are females, so try again.

your mad at cassie cause she has a fatality where she knocks the jaw off a person and takes a selfie with them?

her personality is that of her Dad;s he was cocky like her in the early mk games up until mkx he was like that thinking everything was a joke, Cassie might say some remarks but your hating on her is very odd, gay or straight if you think your cute/hot you will take photos of yourself they didn't create instagram for people to just look at a blank pages

i hate sub zero cause he is ice and blue and i hate blue
i hate scorpion cause he removes his face has a skull head and throws fire at you
i hate reiko cause his name is reiko
i hate havik cause he is like scorpion just can't put skin back on him
i hate liu kang cause his name is liu
i hate erron black cause he wears a cowboy hat
i hate bo'rai cho cause he farts and he is fat
i hate the cyborgs cause they make too much noise when they move
i hate smoke cause smoking is bad for you
i hate rain cause he is purple and purple is not a boy color
i hate ermac cause he is turning into a decorpsing thing
i hate everyone in the game who isn't Sindel, Kitana, Sonya and Jade because i can and i say so

but wait........... let's take a selfie

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02/12/2019 11:00 PM (UTC)
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DON'T. FEED. THE. TROLL.

I didn't check this thread for a long time because I saw who created it and what they put in other threads. Also the title was clearly, purposefully inflammatory with the intent to troll. Curiosity got the best of me once it got to 3 pages though.

I prefer just letting trolls spout their nonsense and then pointing out the ridiculous things they say without commenting on it, like this.

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I think Vega hates selfies/mobiles just as much as I.
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02/12/2019 11:03 PM (UTC)
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DON'T. FEED. THE. TROLL.

I didn't check this thread for a long time because I saw who created it and what they put in other threads. Also the title was clearly, purposefully inflammatory with the intent to troll. Curiosity got the best of me once it got to 3 pages though.

I prefer just letting trolls spout their nonsense and then pointing out the ridiculous things they say without commenting on it, like this.

Nuckelavee
I think Vega hates selfies/mobiles just as much as I.
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I don't like thinking for too long

i just want pictures, i want them to leak out images of the characters we have a few months left and nothing has been shown other then a apparent list ........ i just want to see what Cassie and Jacqui will look like in the game, but nrs is actually holding off on leaking the images

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02/12/2019 11:30 PM (UTC)
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Nuckelavee

Yeah, I'm a gay, I have no reason to say something like go to the kitchen or whatever. Humans are all the same to me though, what organs you have below doesn't matter to me, your this planets waste.

If Takeda had Cassie Cage behavior/fatality I would also call him a selfie slut (very different from the sexual slut/whore) just a new-age stupid teenager who only thinks about him/herself in a pathetic way. (Not a cool sinful way)

Cassie is everything I despise in humans from this age, she is their avatar.

Also most of my favorites are females, so try again.

your mad at cassie cause she has a fatality where she knocks the jaw off a person and takes a selfie with them?

her personality is that of her Dad;s he was cocky like her in the early mk games up until mkx he was like that thinking everything was a joke, Cassie might say some remarks but your hating on her is very odd, gay or straight if you think your cute/hot you will take photos of yourself they didn't create instagram for people to just look at a blank pages

i hate sub zero cause he is ice and blue and i hate blue
i hate scorpion cause he removes his face has a skull head and throws fire at you
i hate reiko cause his name is reiko
i hate havik cause he is like scorpion just can't put skin back on him
i hate liu kang cause his name is liu
i hate erron black cause he wears a cowboy hat
i hate bo'rai cho cause he farts and he is fat
i hate the cyborgs cause they make too much noise when they move
i hate smoke cause smoking is bad for you
i hate rain cause he is purple and purple is not a boy color
i hate ermac cause he is turning into a decorpsing thing
i hate everyone in the game who isn't Sindel, Kitana, Sonya and Jade because i can and i say so

but wait........... let's take a selfie

Yes, and her Dad and Mom were perfectly fine as they were, why they needed a daughter with the fathers behavior and moves and her mothers looks? Yes if she replaced them ok, (still would have hated her, maybe even more) but now they ALL are in the game...

If you replace somebody, replace the, don't turn it into a family clone show. Johnny Cages green-light powers suddenly become more boring because of Cassie the repeat daughter, and Sonya's look aren't doing it anymore as they are repeat as well. Sindel and Kitana are nothing like each other.

I wanna see your reactions if Kitana isn't in this game, then it turns into a cry-over-Kitana freak show, and then Cassie and Jacqui are suddenly out of order. It always is with Kitana fans, I laughed my ass off during the Deception days. They are always bossy to others, because their main is mostly in the game, but when she isn't then the Gods must cover.

And that other human, newt27 or whatever, go call the real trolls by their name, the selfie generation, but you're one of those yourself ain't ya? Probably your girlfriend too, so you get protective. I'm not ashamed for the things I said, and you bring them OUT of context anyway.

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02/13/2019 12:00 AM (UTC)
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14 years ago I fought off a thug who tried to break into my family's apartment. That experience did not terrify me as much as hearing someone refer to another person as "that human" just now.

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02/13/2019 12:07 AM (UTC)Edited 02/13/2019 12:09 AM (UTC)
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14 years ago I fought off a thug who tried to break into my family's apartment. That experience did not terrify me as much as hearing someone refer to another person as "that human" just now.

Cool story.

I have chosen my username well. Of course, most humans don't even know what a Nuckelavee is, they think Mythology doesn't go beyond petty little dragons, unicorns, mermaids, Vampires, Werewolves, kappa's and minotaurs...

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Spider804
02/13/2019 12:14 AM (UTC)
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.....That is not a cool story, some punk broke into our home, stole our belongings, and generally terrorized us FOR AN ENTIRE YEAR. My family was so terrified that we actually got our locks changed because we think they stole a key from the landlord or one of the maintenance workers. One day the thug even ambushed me under the stairwell as I was coming home from school and forced his way into the apartment. If my brother hadn't been home, I....I don't know what would have happened.

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02/13/2019 12:19 AM (UTC)
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.....That is not a cool story, some punk broke into our home, stole our belongings, and generally terrorized us FOR AN ENTIRE YEAR. My family was so terrified that we actually got our locks changed because we think they stole a key from the landlord or one of the maintenance workers. One day the thug even ambushed me under the stairwell as I was coming home from school and forced his way into the apartment. If my brother hadn't been home, I....I don't know what would have happened.

I meant a good story that I'm even more frightful and more terrifying than that. It is a good compliment on my resume.

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02/13/2019 12:55 AM (UTC)Edited 02/13/2019 12:58 AM (UTC)
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Personally (and feel free to respond however you wish), Jacqui seemed like a jarring example of what happens when a group of white male developers who know very little about the black community - let alone black women - attempt to create a black female character but not wanting to make her stereotypical but also not so far off that fans would complain that she's whitewashed. Thus, we have Jacqui Briggs.

It did not end well. lol Their intentions were good, but I feel like they should do some cultural consultation when creating human characters. I feel Jacqui would have been a stronger character if she had a more authentic personality. She definitely didn't seem like a woman who was raised by Jax. If Danielle Nicolet voices her again, I hope she takes a different approach.

Offspring tend to inherit traits from their parents, both physically/genetically and psychological. Why wouldn't Cassie have green energy her ancestors were bred to have?

Did your parents die off because you were born? Do you work with them? Did you replace them at work?

Maybe people think you look boring, are a waste of space, that you shouldn't exist? My people already made that decision for over 6 million...

Ka-Tra

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Coltess
02/13/2019 03:21 AM (UTC)Edited 02/13/2019 03:28 AM (UTC)
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Offspring tend to inherit traits from their parents, both physically/genetically and psychological. Why wouldn't Cassie have green energy her ancestors were bred to have?

Did your parents die off because you were born? Do you work with them? Did you replace them at work?

Maybe people think you look boring, are a waste of space, that you shouldn't exist? My people already made that decision for over 6 million...

Ka-Tra

I think Mattteo and Neckelavee are boring, wastes of space, that shouldn't exist...

Those feelings aside, I really think the question posed has already been answered. Cassie plays better. This is a fighting game, after all. I was wholly opposed to Cassie when she was announced and was only won over by the character because of how well she played. Beyond that, Cassie has a better defined personality than Jacqui. That's not the character's fault, it's NRS's. Cassie has quips, jokes, but in the story we can see she has some insecurity about her role as team leader. Furthermore, Cassie's existence makes other characters a little more likable. I never cared for Johnny Cage, but seeing Johnny as a good and caring dad has really changed the character in my eyes. That Johnny is the good parent and Sonya is the workaholic really develops those legacy characters. With Jax, we know he cares a lot of about Jacqui, but we don't get enough of a back-and-forth to fully flesh-out that relationship.

Jacqui can be saved, no doubt, but she needs a gameplay overhaul and some better dialog.

Thank you. Now what about her playstyle would you change?

Ka-Tra

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02/13/2019 05:27 AM (UTC)Edited 02/13/2019 09:02 AM (UTC)
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Thank you. Now what about her playstyle would you change?

Ka-Tra

Well, I can only really speak for myself, so what I say may not be the general consensus. VenoMark already pointed out two of the biggest issues with Jacqui - those being her reach and the full auto spamming issue. As much as I hate spamming, the reach is the bigger problem. Jacqui is stuck in a weird imbalance of zoning and rushdown, with rush being frustrated by her reach. I think for the general audience that issue pretty much left the character with one variation - full auto. Shotgun can work, but the losses outweigh the gains. Why sacrifice some of her zoning abilities if that's what you're relying on? High tech is pretty much rendered useless due to the reach issue, which is a shame because she he has some damn good combos in high tech. Now of course some people can make it work, but the fighting game scene isn't really the general audience. I'm far-FAR from a competitive MK player, just a big fan of the series, so if I'm frustrated by Jacqui then I have to wonder how the general audience feels about her.

I'm no expert in fighting game design, but as far as I can tell, Jacqui needs a rebalance to go forward. What was meant to be a weakness seems to have gone too far and locked off portions of her gameplay, while what was meant to be her strength turned into a nuisance. The primary solution to me would be scaling back her zoning just a tad while at the same time granting her a bit more reach. I think that would strike the balance that was originally sought without making her too OP. The other alternative is completely reworking her play style from the ground up.

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02/13/2019 09:02 AM (UTC)
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Maybe people think you look boring, are a waste of space, that you shouldn't exist? My people already made that decision for over 6 million...

Not that it matters in a thread like this, but I'm not looking to drift off-topic for too long. What, exactly, do you mean by this?

@Coltess

If Jacqui's off-putting limitations are going to be rectified at some point, MK11 might just be the game that allows for that. Ironically enough, I feel like limitation may be the solution to a problem (for some characters) that was created by the three-variation system in MKX. To elaborate, Jacqui possessed an incredible amount of power in all variations but none of those variations favored range over power (or power/spam in "Full Auto"). In her "Shotgun" variation (the variation with which I'm most familiar), you can drop a 40% kombo at the expense of just one bar of meter. However, actually getting close enough to an opponent to land the set-up portion of a hard-hitting kombo requires an almost unbelievable amount of patience against any character who isn't a Jacqui mirror. Maybe MK11 limiting her (and everyone else) to one customizable variation will give the player the freedom to choose how restricted her mobility is, such as sacrificing one power move for a move that gives her just a bit more range.

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02/13/2019 09:17 AM (UTC)
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VenoMark

Maybe people think you look boring, are a waste of space, that you shouldn't exist? My people already made that decision for over 6 million...

Not that it matters in a thread like this, but I'm not looking to drift off-topic for too long. What, exactly, do you mean by this?

@Coltess

If Jacqui's off-putting limitations are going to be rectified at some point, MK11 might just be the game that allows for that. Ironically enough, I feel like limitation may be the solution to a problem (for some characters) that was created by the three-variation system in MKX. To elaborate, Jacqui possessed an incredible amount of power in all variations but none of those variations favored range over power (or power/spam in "Full Auto"). In her "Shotgun" variation (the variation with which I'm most familiar), you can drop a 40% kombo at the expense of just one bar of meter. However, actually getting close enough to an opponent to land the set-up portion of a hard-hitting kombo requires an almost unbelievable amount of patience against any character who isn't a Jacqui mirror. Maybe MK11 limiting her (and everyone else) to one customizable variation will give the player the freedom to choose how restricted her mobility is, such as sacrificing one power move for a move that gives her just a bit more range.

I think that's a very well made point. I can't really say much more than that. I think you're right, and if Jacqui can get a redemption in MK11, then it was a roster spot well used.

I've never felt Jacqui was irredeemable -in fact I only consider 2 or maybe 3 characters in the whole of MK to be irredeemable. Really, I came here wanting to give more of an explanation of why Cassie is generally favored over Jacqui. I never really had any intention of shitting on Jacqui.

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Nuckelavee
02/13/2019 09:21 AM (UTC)
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Grown up humans liking the selife bitch cassie... I thought only the young generation would play with that stupid excuse of a character...

How utterly pathetic.

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02/13/2019 09:23 AM (UTC)Edited 02/13/2019 09:25 AM (UTC)
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Offspring tend to inherit traits from their parents, both physically/genetically and psychological. Why wouldn't Cassie have green energy her ancestors were bred to have?

Did your parents die off because you were born? Do you work with them? Did you replace them at work?

Maybe people think you look boring, are a waste of space, that you shouldn't exist? My people already made that decision for over 6 million...

Ka-Tra

I don't care for any of this. I would have liked Cassie as the partner of Sonya Blade that was murdered by Kano, if it was for me, only Jax got a daughter (probably one that plays NPC parts most of the time), Johnny and Sonya never became a stupid couple in my perfect world. Johnny should have searched for Edenian immortality and Sonya must focus on the Special Forces.

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VenoMark
02/13/2019 10:10 AM (UTC)Edited 02/13/2019 10:23 AM (UTC)
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Grown up humans liking the selife bitch cassie... I thought only the young generation would play with that stupid excuse of a character...

How utterly pathetic.

What's pathetic is how you're being triggered by others' opinions to such a degree that you deem it necessary to drop derogatory terms on a freakin' video game character. We get that you're incredibly bigoted against a specific generation. But, I, for one, won't deem you important enough to allow your immature criticisms to trigger me to a point of using vulgar vernacular to describe a particular group of individuals. Then again, I'm not and have never been one to discriminate against anyone. That, and, unlike some, I'm intellectually gifted and mature enough to be able to give a descriptive, constructive critique without feeling it necessary to make use of vulgarities.

One more thing: Are you, by chance, a casual gamer? I don't see anyone with any level of experience actually playing as Cassie saying anything negative about her. It just seems that you never gave her the time of day because of your prejudices. Narrow-mindedness can lead to a life of constant discontent and anxiety in addition to all sorts of social disorders, so maybe consider opening up a bit and not condemning a character because she has one particular trait in common with today's youth.

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02/13/2019 10:28 AM (UTC)Edited 02/13/2019 10:32 AM (UTC)
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VenoMark

Grown up humans liking the selife bitch cassie... I thought only the young generation would play with that stupid excuse of a character...

How utterly pathetic.

What's pathetic is how you're being triggered by others' opinions to such a degree that you deem it necessary to drop derogatory terms on a freakin' video game character. We get that you're incredibly bigoted against a specific generation. But, I, for one, won't deem you important enough to allow your immature criticisms to trigger me to a point of using vulgar vernacular to describe a particular group of individuals. Then again, I'm not and have never been one to discriminate against anyone. That, and, unlike some, I'm intellectually gifted enough to be able to give a descriptive, constructive critique without feeling it necessary to make use of vulgarities.

One more thing: Are you, by chance, a casual gamer? I don't see anyone with any level of experience actually playing as Cassie saying anything negative about her. It just seems that you never gave her the time of day because of your prejudices. Narrow-mindedness can lead to a life of constant discontent and anxiety in addition to all sorts of social disorders, so maybe consider opening up a bit and not condemning a character because she has one particular trait in common with today's youth.

There are much more features about Cassie that I hate, that I already explained in countless threads. I also stated that I'm a fun player, I love Mortal Kombat more because of the characters/storyline/funplay than the stupid competition play online. I play the game with friendly people for fun, not to become good with a stupid character I despise. I wish more people would do that so Cassie wouldn't be that DAMN popular. She's the only character in Mortal Kombat I really despise. Bo Rai Cho and Li Mei can learn from her.

I would not touch Cassie in the roster with a stick with shit on it.

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MindStrikes
02/13/2019 10:29 AM (UTC)
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Kombat kids in general are meeh imo

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Nuckelavee
02/13/2019 10:33 AM (UTC)Edited 02/13/2019 10:37 AM (UTC)
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MindStrikes

Kombat kids in general are meeh imo

I really hope we never get any new ones, Kano's kid can kiss the wind.

And if Selfie Troll beats Kronika in the story-mode, I'm really done with NRS/Boon's writing.

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VenoMark
02/13/2019 10:49 AM (UTC)
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There are much more features about Cassie that I hate, that I already explained in countless threads. I also stated that I'm a fun player, I love Mortal Kombat more because of the characters/storyline/funplay than the stupid competition play online. I play the game with friendly people for fun, not to become good with a stupid character I despise. I wish more people would do that so Cassie wouldn't be that DAMN popular. She's the only character in Mortal Kombat I really despise. Bo Rai Cho and Li Mei can learn from her.

So, you love MK because of the characters and whatnot. But, you won't give a character the time of day because of your prejudices against the existence of one nod to a generation that makes up a hefty portion of MK's consumer base. Your narrow-minded outlook on things has muddied your ability to give a respectable critique that anyone would even consider taking constructively. Not only that, but your prejudices are preventing you from having an intelligent discussion with anyone because, while people are providing viable arguments that counter yours, you're going the route of the hormone-raging adolescent and insulting people in hopes that doing so will sway them to your side of the fence. That's just plain asinine. There's a reason why bigots are in the minority, and it has a lot to do with their inability to have a conversation without insulting someone along the way. This is the road you're currently wandering. If you're unwilling to even practice with a character, there is absolutely zero validity in any critique you could provide about that character. So, until you do that, I'll be seeking out more intelligent life forms with whom I can have a discussion.

By the way, ain't nothin' wrong with ol' Bo Rai Cho. It's really too bad you don't play online. I'd love to play you if only to obtain a screenshot of the "Quitality" that'd be induced by my "Bartitsu" Bo Rai Cho or my "Brawler" or "Hollywood" Cassie.

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