Jeneric Briggs
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RE: Jeneric Briggs
03/07/2019 08:29 PM EST
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Literally, the worst character of the series.

Seriously? Come on.

I know she wasn't that great in MKX, but be real. She's only been in one game, and you're calling her the worst character in the series? You don't even know what she's going to be like in this one. Are you seriously telling me that you expect her to be exactly the way she was in the last game?

Y'all seriously be tripping me out with this, man. Kung Lao has hardly had any substantial development since his inception in 1993, and y'all don't make a fuss about that. Scorpion didn't make a single major change in development until MKX, but he's a fan favorite. Get real.

Jacqui isn't nearly that bad. Y'all are trippin'.

There is nothing about her that stands out or is impressive.

Same with MK11 Cassie. Just a bland bratty uninspired version of her mother. They both are boring.

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RE: Jeneric Briggs
03/07/2019 08:30 PM EST

Kombat kids was just a mistake period.

Hummm I think Skarlet is the new Ermac. Will get beaten by everybody.

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RE: Jeneric Briggs
03/07/2019 08:36 PM EST
03/07/2019 08:38 PM EST
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Kombat kids was just a mistake period.

Kung-Jin and Takeda were fine.

Cassie and Jacqui are bad fanfic come to life. Teen Sonya with 'tude and Jax's baby girl.

Ew.

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RE: Jeneric Briggs
03/07/2019 08:43 PM EST

While I generally feel like its a waste of a spot and amounts to bad fanfiction, I guess kudos to them for trying to improve on her.

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RE: Jeneric Briggs
03/07/2019 08:57 PM EST

I actually like this design and I've been a known "Jacqui hater" around here. Kudos on NRS. Let's see if everything else was improved.

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RE: Jeneric Briggs
03/07/2019 08:58 PM EST

Ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.. *Hit* *Head* *Keyboard*

Do we HAVE to have the "I hate all the Kombat Kids!" "I only hate these two!" "I hate the other two, not the two you hate!" "I hate THREE of them, but not this one!" discussion AGAIN...

Isn't this like the 5th thread in the last month...

You'd think everyone had varied tastes and differing likes and dislikes or some crazy shit!

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03/07/2019 09:01 PM EST
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Ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.. *Hit* *Head* *Keyboard*

Do we HAVE to have the "I hate all the Kombat Kids!" "I only hate these two!" "I hate the other two, not the two you hate!" "I hate THREE of them, but not this one!" discussion AGAIN...

Isn't this like the 5th thread in the last month...

You'd think everyone had varied tastes and differing likes and dislikes or some crazy shit!

And people discussing and debating those differing likes and dislikes, how insane! You'd think this was a message board.

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RE: Jeneric Briggs
03/07/2019 09:04 PM EST
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Ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.. *Hit* *Head* *Keyboard*

Do we HAVE to have the "I hate all the Kombat Kids!" "I only hate these two!" "I hate the other two, not the two you hate!" "I hate THREE of them, but not this one!" discussion AGAIN...

Isn't this like the 5th thread in the last month...

You'd think everyone had varied tastes and differing likes and dislikes or some crazy shit!

And people discussing and debating those differing likes and dislikes, how insane! You'd think this was a message board.

Oh look, Ahnka is breaking my balls again. This thread is treading all kinds of new ground.

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RE: Jeneric Briggs
03/07/2019 09:05 PM EST

Verbal Kombat Kontinues

Ahnka vs Bob

FIGHT!!

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RE: Jeneric Briggs
03/07/2019 09:06 PM EST
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Verbal Kombat Kontinues

Ahnka vs Bob

FIGHT!!

Nah

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RE: Jeneric Briggs
03/07/2019 09:06 PM EST
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Ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.. *Hit* *Head* *Keyboard*

Do we HAVE to have the "I hate all the Kombat Kids!" "I only hate these two!" "I hate the other two, not the two you hate!" "I hate THREE of them, but not this one!" discussion AGAIN...

Isn't this like the 5th thread in the last month...

You'd think everyone had varied tastes and differing likes and dislikes or some crazy shit!

And people discussing and debating those differing likes and dislikes, how insane! You'd think this was a message board.

Oh look, Ahnka is breaking my balls again. This thread is treading all kinds of new ground.

I'm just saying, if you're tired of a certain discussion- then stay out of it, sweetheart.

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RE: Jeneric Briggs
03/07/2019 09:07 PM EST
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Verbal Kombat Kontinues

Ahnka vs Bob

FIGHT!!

Nah

Ahnka wins

FLAWLESS VICTORY

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RE: Jeneric Briggs
03/07/2019 09:09 PM EST
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Verbal Kombat Kontinues

Ahnka vs Bob

FIGHT!!

Nah

Ahnka wins

FLAWLESS VICTORY

That wasn't a flawless victory, that was a Hara-Kiri

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RE: Jeneric Briggs
03/07/2019 09:11 PM EST

Now that the attention whore has finished making it all about them, can we get back on topic?

I wish Jaqui's design would've been similar to Master Raven's from Tekken.

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RE: Jeneric Briggs
03/07/2019 09:17 PM EST
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Aw fuck it, nevermind.

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RE: Jeneric Briggs
03/07/2019 09:21 PM EST
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Now that the attention whore has finished making it all about them, can we get back on topic?

I wish Jaqui's design would've been similar to Master Raven's from Tekken.

YOU. ADDRESSED ME. YOU ALWAYS ADDRESS ME.

Yes, after you stormed in here like some diva from some '80s soap opera shitting over people discussing stuff that you're just sooo tired of hearing about- as if someone's holding a gun to your head and forcing you to partake.

Newsflash, you don't run this.

Now back on topic!

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RE: Jeneric Briggs
03/07/2019 09:22 PM EST

Dammit, I knew that was going to happen. I prayed I caught it in time... but I knew that was going to happen.

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RE: Jeneric Briggs
03/07/2019 09:24 PM EST
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If you squint hard enough, you can almost see a tiny bit of effort for her character design.

Doesn't take any squinting to see the effort. If her design were any more elaborate, it would be overdone.

Earthrealm characters -- especially good guys -- are always facing an uphill battle with these things. Nearly all of the most fervently requested characters are inhuman, and the ones who look human at least get to dress like Outworlders. If my time on this forum has taught me anything, it's that when most people talk about an "interesting character design," what they actually mean is "looks like a monster" or "dresses like an Outworlder."

Some folks just openly admit that they're biased against Earthrealmers in Mortal Kombat. I suspect that Jacqui and Cassie would catch a lot less flak for having a similar costume design and coming from the same background if they weren't visibly human -- like Sektor and Cyrax.

Maybe they need to give Jacqui some badass tattoos. It's not much, but what else are you going to do to make a boring dumb human stand out? Put a hat on it?

Shit, Kung Jin had one of the most characteristic human designs in MK history, and people still hated it.

I think that's a vast assumption that completely shuts out other valid opinions. Not every one who dislikes Cassie's and Jacqui's outfits just hate Earthrealmers. Sounds like you're boiling it down to such a straight and narrow point of view just so you can dismiss it.

I LOVED Cassie's default look in MKX and thought her costume was pretty cool and that was VERY in line with her character, her background, and her realm. However, I hate her look in this game. It's not because "OMGZ MOAR MONSTERS!!1111"- I just think it's disappointing.

Of course there are exceptions to the general pattern. I never said there weren't. I'm not speaking to the exceptions. I'm speaking to what appears, from my vantage point, to be the prevailing mindset that "most" complaints about Jacqui and Cassie (or Special Forces in general, or humans in general) seem to boil down to.

If you can argue against my statement that the vast majority of hotly desired characters are either inhuman or dressed like an Outworlder, I'll take your point. If you can argue against my statement that numerous people have outright said something along the lines of "humans are boring," I'll take your point.

Skarlet got into the roster thanks to popular demand -- based on an uninspired costume design, no personality aside from being a little porn-y, and a backstory that's basically just "blood Ermac with less supporting history." I don't see how she had much going for her besides being a weird Outworld thing with blood powers -- but that was enough. Plenty of characters get by with just having one single standout gimmick, but apparently having gun hands isn't enough of a gimmick to make Jacqui interesting for a lot of people. I'm having a tough time figuring out why that is unless I take into account all the people who just think Special Forces or humans in general are just innately boring.

I'm not even saying this as a Jacqui fan myself. I think her designs have been fine; not spectacular, but appropriate. Her gimmick is fine, though as I've said elsewhere, I'd feel better if they fed all the drones and gadgety things her way instead of giving them to Sonya and now Cassie. (P lease don't homogenize those two, NRS!) Still, Jacqui's moves are just as interesting as some other more popular characters' moves. She just feels a little hollow personality-wise, the same way Jade did for me until now. Her only role so far has been to fill in the blank as "Cassie's friend" and she didn't have much else to contribute -- again, reminiscent of Jade, being second to Kitana. The visual design isn't the place to fix that, and I have no problem dismissing a claim that her design is low-effort when she actually looks pretty cool for a human. So there's my diversity-of-opinion for you if you need it, Professer.

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RE: Jeneric Briggs
03/07/2019 09:25 PM EST
03/07/2019 09:26 PM EST
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To all the die hard fans of Jacqui, I'm truly happy that you guys got your girl. I'd also like to say that I'm sorry for all the constant hate you guys get on your girl. It must be frustrating to see almost the entire mk community hate on her.

I really would hate to see her become the next Hsu Hao. Just made a laughing stock for really no reason.

She's not a bad character. Just redundant and needs a complete overhaul design wise(they almost succeeded except for the bland outfit) and maybe even storywise. Maybe have her leave Special Forces and go a different path. Get out of daddy Jax and Auntie Sonya's shadow.

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RE: Jeneric Briggs
03/07/2019 09:53 PM EST
03/07/2019 10:01 PM EST
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If you squint hard enough, you can almost see a tiny bit of effort for her character design.

Doesn't take any squinting to see the effort. If her design were any more elaborate, it would be overdone.

Earthrealm characters -- especially good guys -- are always facing an uphill battle with these things. Nearly all of the most fervently requested characters are inhuman, and the ones who look human at least get to dress like Outworlders. If my time on this forum has taught me anything, it's that when most people talk about an "interesting character design," what they actually mean is "looks like a monster" or "dresses like an Outworlder."

Some folks just openly admit that they're biased against Earthrealmers in Mortal Kombat. I suspect that Jacqui and Cassie would catch a lot less flak for having a similar costume design and coming from the same background if they weren't visibly human -- like Sektor and Cyrax.

Maybe they need to give Jacqui some badass tattoos. It's not much, but what else are you going to do to make a boring dumb human stand out? Put a hat on it?

Shit, Kung Jin had one of the most characteristic human designs in MK history, and people still hated it.

I think that's a vast assumption that completely shuts out other valid opinions. Not every one who dislikes Cassie's and Jacqui's outfits just hate Earthrealmers. Sounds like you're boiling it down to such a straight and narrow point of view just so you can dismiss it.

I LOVED Cassie's default look in MKX and thought her costume was pretty cool and that was VERY in line with her character, her background, and her realm. However, I hate her look in this game. It's not because "OMGZ MOAR MONSTERS!!1111"- I just think it's disappointing.

Of course there are exceptions to the general pattern. I never said there weren't. I'm not speaking to the exceptions. I'm speaking to what appears, from my vantage point, to be the prevailing mindset that "most" complaints about Jacqui and Cassie (or Special Forces in general, or humans in general) seem to boil down to.

If you can argue against my statement that the vast majority of hotly desired characters are either inhuman or dressed like an Outworlder, I'll take your point. If you can argue against my statement that numerous people have outright said something along the lines of "humans are boring," I'll take your point.

Skarlet got into the roster thanks to popular demand -- based on an uninspired costume design, no personality aside from being a little porn-y, and a backstory that's basically just "blood Ermac with less supporting history." I don't see how she had much going for her besides being a weird Outworld thing with blood powers -- but that was enough. Plenty of characters get by with just having one single standout gimmick, but apparently having gun hands isn't enough of a gimmick to make Jacqui interesting for a lot of people. I'm having a tough time figuring out why that is unless I take into account all the people who just think Special Forces or humans in general are just innately boring.

I'm not even saying this as a Jacqui fan myself. I think her designs have been fine; not spectacular, but appropriate. Her gimmick is fine, though as I've said elsewhere, I'd feel better if they fed all the drones and gadgety things her way instead of giving them to Sonya and now Cassie. (P lease don't homogenize those two, NRS!) Still, Jacqui's moves are just as interesting as some other more popular characters' moves. She just feels a little hollow personality-wise, the same way Jade did for me until now. Her only role so far has been to fill in the blank as "Cassie's friend" and she didn't have much else to contribute -- again, reminiscent of Jade, being second to Kitana. The visual design isn't the place to fix that, and I have no problem dismissing a claim that her design is low-effort when she actually looks pretty cool for a human. So there's my diversity-of-opinion for you if you need it, Professer.

The visual design IS a vital part in a character. This is a VIDEO game, not a radio program- the VISUALS always come first. That's why it is important to make sure the design is always ON POINT and EYE CATCHING. The issue isn't the fact that people dislike Special Forces characters, the problem is that we have such a high number of them and they all begin to blend into each other.

Cassie in MKX was a fun and quirky mixture of her mother AND father which gave her a unique personality and someone who I could see totally leading a new generation of games- pair that with her excellent design and she was off to a great start...until MK11- she's literally NOTHING but Sonya with 'tude, they even tossed her Sonya's drones. It would be one thing if Sonya wasn't in the game, just as Jade wasn't in MKX so they gave her staff to Kitana to appease her fans, but Sonya's right here with Cassie and they feel the need to just mash them both together?

Then you throw Jax into the MK11 ring and he already originated the whole "cool arms as weapons" gimmick and now you have Jacqui. Yes, guns for hands is cool, but when she's already competing with Jax, Sonya, AND Cassie to stand out for not one but TWO games in a row- it's simply not enough.

Kung-Jin and Takeda are special forces but they STAND OUT, they have unique designs and their gameplay is not like any other character- and Takeda also has GREAT story potential for future games as a whole due to Scorpion and Kenshi being his "parents". Yes, there may be people out there who still complains about Takeda and Kung-Jin, but there will always be people who complain- but there's no debate that most people have more of an issue with Cassie and Jacqui because of the above reasons- ESPECIALLY Jacqui. Cassie seems to get more of a pass.

VISUAL DESIGN is the most vital attribute a video game character has. I actually think MK11 Jacqui looks more interesting than MK11 Cassie. but they both needs improvement in this department.

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RE: Jeneric Briggs
03/07/2019 11:45 PM EST
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I saw this on gamefaq, it seems she's getting a lot of love on twitter.

I have to adjust the direction of my ire, then. It's not Boon's fault the fans want mediocrity. I have to blame the fans that think a character deserves a spot on the roster based on nothing more than a new face, hair style and skin tone. Sad. For me, I base characters on their backstory, their gameplay, and their costume design. That's it. In MKX, Jacqui was 0 of 3, though Shotgun was sort of decent in short spurts. Currently, she is 0 for 2 in MK 11, but let's hope her gameplay is drastically improved to justify taking a roster spot from numerous other MK characters.

Yes, in MKX, she was 0 for 3.

This isn't MKX. This is MK11. Just because she was bad then doesn't automatically mean she will be now.

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RE: Jeneric Briggs
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RE: Jeneric Briggs
03/08/2019 01:15 AM EST

I don’t think she’s a bad character, but for a game playing with timeframes where we could have anyone so give other characters like Reiko and Sareena a fresh time to shine we get Another generic military shooter.

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RE: Jeneric Briggs
03/08/2019 01:41 AM EST

I swear, it's like you only read the parts you don't like.

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The visual design IS a vital part in a character. This is a VIDEO game, not a --

-- Dude, I gotta stop you right there. I never said visual design was not important. Whether or not the costume designs are "good" is entirely up to one's individual taste and I made no statement either way about that.

When OP said that there was no effort in the costume design, that's what I was speaking against. "Doesn't take any squinting to see the effort" was my very first sentence. Whatever you want to say about the outcome of the art direction, you cannot back up a claim that they didn't put the work in. Fans wanted a more interesting Jacqui design, and as far as it stays true to her character as a partner to Cassie -- here it is. She has tons more visual interest than in the last game.

But the effort is invisible to some people, and I believe -- not unreasonably -- that it has more to do with who she is than what she looks like. If they took this exact same design and told everyone that this character was an elite member of the Seidan Guard, using futuristic techno-weapons to enforce order on the realms... I think there would be far fewer complaints. I bet people would be curious what she can do with those gauntlets, and wonder what the hell that blue glow is for. But if she's just Special Forces? Yawn.

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RE: Jeneric Briggs
03/08/2019 01:48 AM EST

I mained Jacqui in MKX so I'm excited she's back. I hope she is less cucked by her t-rex reach this time, especially regarding her crouch jab, if she has a sensible reach on crouch jab and at least one punish string I will be happy. And please no horrendous input on stanky leg seriously what the fuck was that about lmao.

Redesign is fine, I like her armor and her cute hairstyle uwu

I hope she has full auto df2 again or a similiar beam or something. It's both fun to trigger casuals and also completely necessary, unless en bf1 gets crazy armor/auto throw/launch.